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BN Roundup: QB Transfer Chatters & Quests For Bru-105

Let's start this Thursday with a little QB transferring chatter courtesy of Brian Dohn:

wrote a while back that Nebraska transfer Patrick Witt was considering UCLA, but he is not coming to Westwood. He recently committed to Yale.
UCLA didn't offer him a scholarship, and from what I understand, the plan was to wait and see what transpired in the spring before making a decision. The coaching staff was comfortable with what it say from Kevin Prince and Richard Brehaut, so Witt was not offered a scholarship.
As for Marve, the Bruins looked at him but there were some non-football issues that scared the staff away.

Hmm. I wonder what kind non-football issues Dohn is referring to? The hint I could find was the following post from "Truth & Rumors" section of SI.com's "FanNation":

Robert Marve's father, Eugene Marve, said Oklahoma State told Eugene it stopped recruiting Marve because of negative feedback from Miami. (UM denies criticizing Marve.) ''Robert was very hurt,'' Eugene said, adding that his son will choose among Michigan, UCLA, Oklahoma, Purdue, Texas Tech and USF.

Interestingly though he might be walking on to a school that is not in that list: Tennessee. Per bsmithinc on Rocky Top Talk Marve is considering walking on at UT. RTT's Joel is not exactly jumping up and down at the idea pointing to this post from Purdue blogger BoilerTMill at Hammer & Rails. BoilerTMill has an insider perspective on the Miami situation becasuse of family connections and he hasn't been impressed:

Personally, I don't want Marve. There are way too many red flags from his time at Miami that makes me want him as our quarterback. To me, he clearly does not handle himself well in off-the-field situations. His dad has too much influence on decisions he should be making. He has shown that neither academics nor following the rules is a priority. Maturity is something that is often overlooked in this day and age. We would be hasty to overlook a number of red flags and compromise values if we accepted Marve unless he shows that he has grown more mature. We have had worse egos (Garrett Bushong comes to mind), but at some point you have to value character. Marve has not demonstrated high character yet, and it is my hope we will continue to hold him to high character, just as Randy Shannon did, should he come to Purdue. If he becomes a Boilermaker, I will welcome and support him, but he must prove that he is a different person than he has shown before. He is not a recruit that will make or break us, so we will be fine either way.

Maturity is something that is often overlooked in this day and age. We would be hasty to overlook a number of red flags and compromise values if we accepted Marve unless he shows that he has grown more mature. That is the standard I am going to hold him to if he chooses to come to Purdue. We have had worse egos (Garrett Bushong comes to mind), but at some point you have to value character. Marve has not demonstrated high character yet, and it is my hope we will continue to hold him to high character, just as Randy Shannon did, should he come to Purdue.

Hmm. If nothing else it sounds like a lot of drama and at this point of time as our football program is going through a brutal rebuilding process, it's wise I think to minimize drama as much as possible.

Also on another transferring note, Dominique Johnson is looking at options such as Portland State. He is looking at a playoff (!) sub-division one school because transferring to that level will require him to sit out only for couple of games instead of an entire season.

Moving on from football, our women's golf team as rye noted in his toplines our women's golf team is competing in the NCAA Championships this Tuesday-Friday in Columbus, Ohio. Maria Jose Uribe is the Bruins' favorite in the NCAA Individual competition. Both the team and Maria are doing just fine as of today. From the Daily News:

UCLA's Maria Jose Uribe shot a 6-under 66 on Wednesday to take a two-stroke lead in the NCAA Division I Women's Golf Championships and help the Bruins open a stroke-shot advantage in the team competition in Owings Mills, Md.

Uribe, the Colombian star who won the 2007 U.S. Women's Amateur, had a 3-under 141 total on the Caves Valley course. Wake Forest's Nanette Hill (71), Denver's Stephanie Sherlock (73) and Pepperdine's Lisa McCloskey (69) were 1under with two rounds left.

"It's a pretty tough course," Uribe said. "If you're not in the fairway, it's going to be tough. If you have a good round, numbers like 66 and 67 are very reachable. I love to play courses like this." [...]

UCLA topped the team standing at 13-over 589, seven strokes ahead of second-place USC. Pepperdine was tied for 13th at 34-over 610.

Let's hope they can keep it up and bring home Bru-105.

Also, another squad that is gunning for Bru-105 team is the women's softball team which is taking on on Missouri this weekend for a spot in the Women's College World Series. WWL's Garland Cooper checked out the Bruins this past weekend's regional and came out ... uhm ... impressed:

Without a doubt, this was one of the toughest regionals in the country.

UCLA played Long Beach State their first game, a team the Bruins had lost to earlier in the season. In that first game, which is always the toughest, it was tied up in the third and remained tied until the sixth when the Bruins scored to take the lead.

In the first game against Fresno State, the game was tied from the second inning until the sixth inning. In the second game against the Bulldogs, the Bruins were trailing in the first but were able to come back in the second and score seven runs. Even in the end of that game, Fresno was putting pressure on UCLA by plating a run in the fourth and fifth inning.

While UCLA proved to be the best of the regional's four, the other teams were very evenly matched. Long Beach State and UNLV played a 13-inning game, and UNLV lost 2-1 to Fresno State.

None of the games UCLA played were easy wins, and several of the regional games were close decisions. It wasn't easy to win out, but the Bruins did, proving they have what it takes to go all the way.

That's right, I said it. This team could win a championship. The Bruins have the talent, the experience and the guts to play for a title and this just might be the year they put another mural on their outfield fence.

Fingers crossed.

GO BRUINS.

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Re Marve and Doh!

Nice job, Doh!. “As for Marve, the Bruins looked at him but there were some non-football issues that scared the staff away.” This is classic character assassination. He doesn’t say what the “non-football issues were.” He doesn’t say who the staff were who were scared away. And naturally he doesn’t say who told him there were “non-football issues.” This demonstrates not just cowardice on the part of Doh!, but true malice. The fact he was reporting was that Marve was not going to be offered a scholarship. He could have just said so. But no, he chooses to include innuendo from undisclosed sources to put a negative spin on things.

I have never met Marve, so I don’t know him. Nonetheless, it is impossible not to read Doh!’s words and not have a negative impression of this young man. Why would anyone write this way? How does it make Doh! a more appealing writer to deliberately and maliciously defame a kid who I am sure he has likewise never met? Shame on you, Doh!, and shame on your editors, and shame on anyone else who is responsible for your continued employment.

Although it is almost always a mistake to assume that anything Doh! says is even remotely factual, if we assume that Coaches Chow and Neuheisel like the skills of Brehaut and Prince better than they like the skills of Marve, then that tells me that our quarterbacks are pretty darn good, because Marve was spectacular.

by Fox 71 on May 21, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even if he's that good

it doesn’t seem like he’s worth it. Why did he transfer out of Miami to begin with? It’s not like Doh! is the only one who is saying that he has character issues. If his father is indeed so influential on him, that’s a red flag, just like with Mitch Mustain (who was duped into going to $C). As Nestor said, we don’t need drama. Even if it isn’t factual, there are enough turnoffs, on top of our good quarterback situation, to stay away.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on May 21, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good lord

Marve has character issues. Like tasser said Dohn isn’t the only one who’s saying this. He is/was an athlete at a major university. If you don’t want to be talked about in a negative light then don’t do things that could possibly create that stigma. Dohn is the closest of any of the LA reporters to the athletic department. Of course he’s not going to name sources if it means losing his “closeness” with the department.

by lil eg not cs on May 21, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The existence of "character issues" is not the issue

I am aware of Marve’s background probably more than most Bruins because of where I live. Does Doh!? Do you? If he’s going to report he should report, meaning report facts. If for example he was told that the coaching staff did not want Marve because he was in an auto accident as a passenger and lost his freshman season, or that he did something else (I can’t remember what it was, but it’s findable on the net), he should have said so. It’s sloppy reporting otherwise. Should we assume that the coaches didn’t want him because the “non-football issues” were a predilication to shave points, or to sell the playbook or an inclination toward pyromania or pedophilia? Those are all “non-football issues,” and Doh!’s sloppy “reporting” allows one to draw the inference that those or any of a host of other “non-football” issues were involved in the decision of the coaching staff.

And of course there’s the issue of Doh!‘s lack of credibility when he cites an anonymous source, in this case Mr. “Football Staff.” Who? When Doh! names a name, I am willing to give him credit. But when he doesn’t, based on his track record when he doesn’t name names, I give him nothing. Consider the possibilities. Doh! asks an actual person on the Bruin staff if Marve is going to offered a scholarship. The actual source says no, period. Doh! could write two stories. One would be “My source at UCLA says that Marve will not be offered a scholarship.” Period. End of story. Also, not particularly sexy to Doh! who at least in my opinon craves attention. So Doh! does a little reasoning. Hmm. He thinks, well, this kid Marve is skilled. Everyone knows that. So it can’t be for football reasons. It must be for non-football reasons. So from the statement (if there even was a statement at all other than in Doh!’s imagination) that Marve will not be offered a scholarship, Doh! writes the story with the tag “for non-football reasons” and voila! An instant Pulitzer. Exciting reading. Readers clamoring for more.

I am left wondering about the more important issue (something which Doh!‘s “National Inquirer” piece leaves silent. Could it be that our coaches thought that Prince and Brehaut were simply better than Marve, and that scholarship they were thinking about giving him could maybe go to another offensive lineman? Now that would be news. It would say a lot about the confidence our coaches have in the abilities of Prince and Brehaut. But Doh! doesn’t talk about the positive aspect of the story. Instead, he invites the reader to the sleazy side of things in his citation of un-named non-football issues. I still say shame on Doh! for such irresponsible reporting.

Tasser and lil, I respect you both. But you will NEVER convince me that there is one molecule of integrity in Doh!‘s body once he strays from relating facts and naming the sources for those facts. His publication of the letters re the Pauley renovation, for example, are unchallengable, and as far as I can tell, a great scoop on the rest of the “journalists” in town. But when he requires us to take his word that his stories are accurate, you can count me out. His word regarding accuracy has never been verified to be accurate. Maybe I’ve been in the law business too long, but I don’t write the way Doh! does. My audience never assumed anything to be a fact until it was admitted in evidence or otherwise demonstrated to be true. Doh! rarely offers any facts. It’s all “trust me – my sources are golden. That’s why you’ll see Coach Walker as the head coach at Washington.”

P.S. I really don’t think the journalistic party line about protecting one’s sources applies here.

by Fox 71 on May 21, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually heard this as well

June Jones was reportedly looking to bring him to SMU, but obviously he wanted to be at a bigger program. Anyway, I heard Coach Shannon had some not so nice stuff to say about him, and that he had been skipping class and such. Definitely doesn’t seem like a bruin to me..

O.A.

by Ollie on May 21, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ollie, you reported more facts in your couple of lines than Doh! did.

The problem is not the reporting of facts. As I said, I know all of the negatives that have been in the local newspaper and on the internet about Marve (as well as some positives that aren’t widely publicized.) I am perfectly content knowing that Coach Chow and Coach Neuheisel do not want to offer him a scholarship. What I object to is “reporting” nothing but innuendo and non-facts based on what unnamed sources say. The National Inquirer does better than that (as they must because of all the lawsuits they draw.)

by Fox 71 on May 21, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

this was on Doh!‘s blog, and not an article. So as far as I’m concerned, he’s not bound by journalistic duties. I am not trying to convince you of his integrity. I state my opinion, which is that I am suspicious of a player who leaves a program after one year and after serving two suspensions, saying that “I can’t play for Coach Shannon”, and that’s a direct quote. I don’t need Doh!’s drivel to convince me, nor was I defending him.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on May 21, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have more direct quotes than Doh! does.

I think Marve suffered from ego-itis, the tendency to think that he was invulnerable, and could do anything on or off the field and nothing could happen to him. (No evidence here, just recollections of when I was his age.) He has suspensions, and frankly that would be enough to sour me on him if I were Coach Neuheisel. The sniping from Coach Shannon, however, is a different story. Everything was hunky dory with Marve until he wanted to transfer, then the negative comments from Coach Shannon started, not at all unlike the negative comments from Cheatie Petie when his quarterback wanted to go.

Anyway, Marve was a talented high school QB who unfortunately seems to have fizzled in college. He will fade from memory, but alas, we will still have Doh!.

Take another look at his article and at the discussion of it. There are no facts in his comments, and no quotes. Guys who aren’t getting paid for their words (and who don’t particularly care about the subject) have done a far better job writing about iyoung Robert. Yet Doh! is automatically granted credibility because of what his business card says. It’s an unfair world, I guess. (For some reason, I think there should be a George Costanza quote that would be appropriate, but I can’t think of one.)

by Fox 71 on May 21, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Women's golf and Maria Jose Uribe

I have had the pleasure of golfing with all the members of the UCLA Women’s golf team several times, and Maria Jose Uribe, from Columbia, when she was a freshman and sophomore. Many people are not aware that she came to UCLA as an 18 year old, with no family here, and all of here family in Columbia. Talk about homesick!! But she is of the Skype world and talks to her mother that way every day, at no cost. She is a terrific golfer, fits in well with the team, and, of course as I have mentioned before on BN, the UCLA Women’s golf team looks to be the best of their generation.

The golfers among them who I know get very good grades, are developing and maturing as young women, the golf skills are obvious, and they are like a large group of sisters. Carrie Forsyth, the head coach, is a great leader for them, and exemplifies the excellence that coaching at UCLA means. In this case, these women are having “the times of their lives”while competing at UCLA.
Good luck for the rest of the week.
Bill

BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on May 21, 2009 8:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uribe is leaving after the season

so he can return to Colombia. She’ll start playing professionally and said that she doesn’t want to be away from her family for as long as she has to at UCLA.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on May 21, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uribe leaving

I read about that recently. When I first met her, she was real young and loves her family, so I was surprised that she was here at all, with no local personal contacts at all … I guess Skype is OK, but not the total answer when you miss your mother….. Good luck to her.
Bill

BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on May 21, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Softball

I’m hoping to write a little preview of the super regional before Saturday. Garland Cooper’s write-up was exciting, but there’s still a long way to go… starting with a scrappy Missouri team.

Good luck to golf!!!

by Daynuh33 on May 21, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Marve to Purdue

espn reported it this afternoon

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4194784

GO BRUINS!!! CHEER LIKE CHAMPIONS!!!

by bk bruin on May 21, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad day for the women golfers

They go +16 on the day (after being +13 through the first two rounds) to fall to third place, 3 behind sc and 2 behind ASU (scoreboard).

If the tee times aren’t moved from today, the final three teams will set off around 1:00 pm eastern, with an online stream for the first hour, and then the conclusion after an hour long break in the coverage. If it’s anything like last year, it’s a pretty good service, with commentary for those of us who know nothing about the players involved.

by jaffa on May 21, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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