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Trojan Lambs Of Just$C*

So let's start today with a quick little flashback from the LA Times in January of 2007 on our hoops "rivalry" with Just$C* (emphasis added throughout):

The UCLA-USC rivalry is already generating plenty of buzz even without top recruits O.J. Mayo and Kevin Love, who by next season could catapult L.A.'s battle for college basketball supremacy into the realm of Duke versus North Carolina.

LOL. That's the kind of take that led to the "gap closers" meme here on Bruin Nation last few years. Remember all that hype from LA Times was around a program that has 0 national championships, 0 Final-4s, and 2 (count them 2) Pac-10 title since 1940. Now of course just couple of months ago we had to hear the hype again after they pulled out a fluke win in the Pac-10 tournament (that many of us don't care much about). Yet here we are in just two months LOL at a joke of a basketball program tattered in shreds and bombed back to even more irrelevance (they were only relevent in the hearts and minds of the U$C* beat writers from the local rags).

While these guys were hilariously dreaming up a Duke-UNC "rivalry" in LA, they were forgetting about all the weird package deals (the BS with Little Romeo and Master P), getting kids in from questionable diploma mills, and appearance of academic inpromprieties that seemed to have infected the entire U$C* athletic program [See Senora Ross]. There is no reason to rehash in detail what exactly transpired in last two months (if you really want to read the LAT's report here and here). What we need to do though is get to the obvious storylines abot what might be happening down the line.

Again none of this is really news to us but it is now being pointed out in the traditional media. What is going on over at South Central might not be anything more than just offering up the irrelevant, joke of a basketball program as a sacrificial lamb to beg for some mercy from the NCAA. From Chris Dufresne in the LA Times:

Tim Floyd submitted his resignation Tuesday and Athletic Director Mike Garrett accepted it so fast he probably got a paper cut snapping it out of the fax machine.

The good news, of course, is that it's only the fall of USC basketball, leaving the all-important work of preserving, defending and protecting the constitution of USC football.

Of course just because Floyd has been booted out left doesn't mean the questions end with the entire program. Katz lays out a series of unanswerd questions on WWL which includes:

• By making the decision to resign, did Floyd get a negotiated settlement from USC? If he had stayed on and been fired before an NCAA hearing, he may have been able to be compensated much in the same way former Ohio State coach Jim O'Brien was when he wasn't given his due process based on the wording in his contract.

• Floyd is out as coach at USC despite the fact that none of the allegations against him have turned into charges by the NCAA. Why did he choose to quit instead of stand up and face the charges?

• How much will the NCAA look at Floyd's resignation as a sacrificial lamb in the wake of a major investigation that involves football and basketball? Was this move pushed by USC so that whenever it is in front of the committee on infractions it can show that it took corrective action to avoid a charge of lack of institutional control?

• Why was USC so willing to grant signee Noel Johnson his release from his national letter of intent without a fight? Floyd and athletic director Mike Garrett didn't make an attempt to hold Johnson to his letter. A number of sources were stunned that USC didn't balk at releasing Johnson's NLI.

• How much was USC's decision to release Renardo Sidney from his commitment a sign to the NCAA that the Trojans wouldn't take on any more potential high-risk recruits?

• Why did Marcus Johnson, who had just earned back his sixth-year of eligibility through a rare waiver, suddenly change his mind and stay in the NBA draft? USC was quick to make public that Johnson had won his appeal but days later was silent when Johnson opted to make himself available for the draft, even though he's not likely to be selected.

• DeMar DeRozan was a likely lottery pick and it was no surprise that he would leave after one season with the Trojans. But why did Daniel Hackett, whose father Rudy is the strength and conditioning coach, not even hesitate about returning for his senior season? Hackett has an Italian passport and can play in Italy, but he's not likely to get selected later this month in the NBA draft.

• Floyd flew to Tucson to meet with Arizona athletic director Jim Livengood and president Robert Shelton. Livengood has since said that he didn't offer the job to Floyd and the meeting was just an exploratory interview. Livengood said the interview took place in Tucson because it was more convenient for the president. But coaches don't normally fly into the city of the school searching for a coach if they are trying to keep their candidacy clandestine. Why did Floyd go to Tucson if he wasn't serious about taking the job? Why did Floyd withdraw from the search? What did Floyd and/or Arizona know at the time about the NCAA or a federal investigation?

And then gets to the point in this interview last night on ESPN:


Here are the key excerpts from that interview:

Now may be what will happen is that NCAA will see they have sort of served up Tim Floyd.

I know that one thing we can count (?) on that Pete Carroll will not ever get in any trouble in terms of being fired or resigning. He is not specifically named in any stuff. More than anything you've got the basketball program sort of as a sacrificial lamb.

The WWL anchor asked Katz about his impression that the Trojan basketball team "seems to be suffering much more under this investigation than the football team and that it was being offered up to keep the football program "clean." Katz noted (in the interview above):

They are going to look for some sacrficial lambs. Otherwise they are going to look at insintituinal control aspect that really can hit the programs hard.

You know football pays the bills at SC. I'd be shocked if anyting happened at the top of that program.

Again not a shock to anyone here.

As we discussed last night it will be interesting to see what happens with the coaching situation at that joke program. I think rye is on the right track in speculating that they might end up with an interim coach and then potentially shoot for a coach like Jamie Dixon next season. The question is will Dixon come to U$C*? 

I think if U$C*'s offers him a huge, long term ( 5 year or more giving him sufficient time to build a program) K he would consider it very serious. The arguments that go against my scenario are good ones. Why would U$C* waste their funds on a high school caliber program that can barely draw 5,000 per game despite (allegedly) stuffing recruits with cash and plasma TV?  There is that whole thing about optics. If they get nailed with penalties, it is going to look crass and tone deaf if they spend millions on basketball program without showing any signs of remorse or contrition for breaking NCAA rules. So who knows.

For now though, I think it's OK to LOL a little and think back to all those hyping of Duke-UNC "rivalry" talk. We now know today that we always knew here on BN. There is a reason we call them Just$C* when it comes to hoops. The program is irrelevant joke. It also just might turn out be nothing more than just mere, pathetic sacrificial lambs for the purposes of saving a tainted, scandal ridden football program.

GO BRUINS.

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Saw on Sports Center

that SUC administrators found out about Floyd’s departure on the LA Times website, and that Floyd made no announcement to his assistants nor his players (what’s left of them).

What a clown.

by godblesstyus95 on Jun 10, 2009 6:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Classless jerk

His reputation is forever tarnished. How come he didn’t deny the allegations in his “resignation” statement? Interesting.

And the school’s lack of a good reputation is further cemented. Win at all costs, baby, until it bites you in the ass.

Karma at work.

by Barnes2JJ on Jun 10, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sc Message Boards?

So, what’s being said on the sc message boards?

Are they still claiming they are the victims of a press vendetta?

Or, are they now the victims of Timmeh?

Truth is, I’m not sure this is a big enough sacrifice to save football IF the MSM keeps its foot on the pedal. I think Garrett goes, too.

Sample isn’t stepping up either. Really shows that the culture is dominated by football and not academics. Can you conceive of something like this happening on our campus without the top brass cleaning house?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jun 10, 2009 7:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Think of faces

What face comes to mind when you say UCLA? Is it Coach? Is it Alcindor, or Jackie Robinson? Is it a great prof? A great statesman?

And what face comes to mind when you say just$c*? Only one – OJ Simpson. That’s because of the place just$c* football holds at that place and around the country. It is a football school, and the word “school” is used loosely.

If the basketball program disappeared, about a dozen people would notice. But the trOJan family would collectively expire if anything happened to their football program. I would like to see what that would look like.

by Fox 71 on Jun 10, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw In The Bogus Accademic Claims

And it looks like their integrity issues go all the way to the top. I get the impression Sample is pretty desperate to raise their profile in all areas, perhaps leading to a culture of cutting corners.

by bru79 on Jun 10, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect interim coach

He’s familiar with LA (big plus for recruiting), has close ties to ESPN (helps the spin doctors keep doing their thing), and has gone “deep” in the tournament many times.

Sounds like a perfect match. I’ll hold off on providing his name for now. No need in helping the other side close the gap any further.

by sausmaf on Jun 10, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If that man is as good as you say

Then SUC should hire him permanently and immediately!

by Tydides on Jun 10, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Christmas in June

I’ve been giddy for a day now.

by freesia39 on Jun 10, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I will miss Floyd

As I think Nestor lamented during the Dixon to $UC drama a few months ago while Floyd considered jumping ship to Memphis or Zona, I think having Floyd at Figueroa Tech was great both for UCLA basketball in general, and for us as a community in particular.

He was “solid” enough to scrounge up questionable student athletes with a decent level of basketball skill (and with no interest in playing as a team or sacrificing as the potential cost of NBA draft potential).There were some big names in the mustard and ketchup in recent years, which was enough to make UCLA-$UC a big game nationally and enough to give $UC fans and the MSM delusions about them closing in on UCLA. Now? That “program” will be a joke for at least 2-3 seasons, and possibly indefinitely unless a solid coach is willing to take the career risk to build basketball into something even remotely successful over there.

I’m being pessimistic obviously, as $UC is FINALLY getting their first taste of long deserved comuppance (sp?), and that brings a smile to my face. The thought of UCLA getting to play the young freshmen next year for an entire half because $UC will be fielding a junior college level team will make for 2 wonderful nights. And a Costco center crowd that will probably be 75-25 UCLA next year (because, lets face it, if they didnt come out when $UC was decent, there is ZERO chance they will turn out to support their team through some UCLA beatings) will be delightful.

But I will miss Floyd. He was easy to dislike, he brought in great anti-heros (Jefferson, Hackett, OJ2, ….), and he was never in serious contention to bring a lasting, NCAA-legal winner to $UC. Plus, he threw tandrums that even babies would consider beneath them, and he allowed his players to play like thugs (which only made victory sweeter).

Ok, I am done. Who am I kidding? I can imagine Howland, upon hearing the news yesterday, let out a big sigh and a “finally.” He knows better than anyone what it takes to build a winner the right way, and surely knew it was only a matter of time before Floyd’s mistakes eventually did him in. And, I guess we won’t have to worry about sharing LA recruits in the near future…though I can’t think of a single player from the Floyd era out of So. Cal that UCLA would have wanted over our players.

I wholeheartedly endorse Lavin. He would make a great Floyd Jr. over there.

by NorCalBruin08 on Jun 10, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, what are they going to do with the Costco Center?

They have nothing to put in there now. I’m thinking they’ll put it up on Ebay and try to recoup some of their losses. Maybe hire some new football players.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jun 10, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this protects football...

The fact that Floyd resigned on his own, and that $c, at least outwardly, has not forced this, doesn’t allow the university* to take any credibility for its own (mis)management of its athletic program.

If u$c* had held a press conference, claimed they had performed their own “internal investigation”, concluded that Tim Floyd should not be retained as basketball coach, and fired him, then maybe it could play that off as taking some responsibility, maintaining institutional control, and buy some goodwill with the NCAA that it can run its own house.

We don’t have much faith in the NCAAholes doing their due diligence with respect to investigating this crooked cheating semi-pro department. But in my mind, Floyd’s self-imposed ejection simply raises more questions, which focuses the spotlight more intensely on the u$c* athletic program, and actually jeopardizes the football program more. Where there is smoke, there is the raging inferno of hell. The MSM, finally, is all over this today, and no one is giving $c* any benefit of the doubt. The NCAA might finally figure it out, too.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 10, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dead on

Your comment is dead on for what this means for their university*. I read some where (it could have been on BN) that the NCAA assigned one of their toughest investigators to the $c* case (the article I read stated that some Universities feared, as in afraid, of this guy). I doubt we’ll see the investigation concluded in 2009, but I assume after the bowl season we’ll see the NCAA really drop the hammer on Fig Tech, maybe even hitting their prized semi-professional football team.
But, I’ve been wrong before.

Victory or until next year!

by ncrpz2 on Jun 10, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right

But I’m not holding my breath that football gets punished.

by bruinbabe2000 on Jun 10, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Famous Last Words

I guess Timmeh was right about U$C being his last job.

by SactoBruin on Jun 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not Floyd's fault

He had no idea what was going on.

by bruin805 on Jun 10, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing that Katz said last night on WWL News

Is not to expect something to come down right away because the Feds are involved. Since testimony to the Feds is under oath, it will be sometime before the NCAA gets its hands on it.

FWIW, I still expect them to only get a slap on the wrist and I really haven’t been that giddy over this. Maybe it’s because I’m a pessimist.

by bruinbabe2000 on Jun 10, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A revealing look at the way things are across town.

[Note to mods: I don’t think this is taking a shot at another SBN blog, but if you do, take it down by all means.]

So much has been revealed lately into the overall approach to things at just$c*. They flatly lied about the credentials of some of their faculty, and when contronted, they insisted that there was nothing wrong. When contronted with proof that there was something wrong, they claimed there was an issue with counting (i.e., kill the messenger) and referred the matter to the dean (i.e., no more questions, thank you.)

That pretty much parallels what we have seen with the bu$hgate and mayogate SC*andals.

I scanned a trOJie blog just to see what the reaction was, and I will make no comments. If you want to read it (or participate) that’s up to you. But I did see a particularly interesting remark which to me totally encapsulates the lack of integrity which is so pervasive over there.

One guy said he didn’t think there would be any sanctions of the football program, using this phrase: “I have a hard time seeing that one stick because they can’t prove SC knew anything about Bush’s parents.” To me, this is revealing because it does NOT say that it won’t stick because SC* (my asterisk) didn’t know anything. It says that nothing can be proved. That’s the difference between “not guilty” and “innocent.” Not even staunch just$c* defenders are saying that just$c knew nothing, only that the ncaa can’t prove that they knew nothing.

With that mindset, is there any surprise that nothing at just$c* is ever self-reported?

by Fox 71 on Jun 10, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This makes one wonder why on Earth Floyd didnt take the Arizona job and bolt town. He cant be that dumb can he? Now he is jobless and more than likely will never get a gig at a major program

by LASportsCentral.com on Jun 10, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Again

what’s the proof that he was the one turning Arizona down?

by Nestor on Jun 11, 2009 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen to your Uncle Nestor

I have never heard anyone from UA say they offered Timmeh a job. I have never heard Timmeh say “They offered me a job.” And if Timmeh said it, I wouldn’t believe it. If Timmeh had been offered a job, it would have been after all the Payogate stuff was well-publicized, meaning that the AD at UA would have been willing to hire Timmeh plus all his baggage. No one would be willing to do that. No one. As it turns out, not even just$c* was willing to keep him.

I am not going to assume that UA offered him a job until someone from UA says so. As this point, all we have is someone from three wealthy and influential alumni.

by Fox 71 on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the NCAA eats lamb...

i don’t really know the nitty gritty details when it comes to defining lack of institutional control, but I doubt that the NCAA will give ’SC much credit for this move. letting (making) your basketball coach resign after all the allegations become public does not really demostrate “control” over the program. All it really does is expose how pathetic ’SC really is.

I still don't understand why little kids wear 'SC apparel when they come to UCLA on field trips... newsflash--you're not cool

by bruinbasketball on Jun 11, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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