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[UPDATED] Special Ben Ball Open Thread: 2009 NBA Draft Party

Another NBA draft night. Hopefully it will be another night to celebrate the ever expanding NBA family of Ben Ball warriors here on Bruins Nation.

We know the NBA markets itself as the place "where amazing happens" but there is not much doubt about UCLA being the college basketball program where amazing begins. In case anyone needs a reminder per the datapoints our friends at Rush The Court looked up last July, UCLA has been the number 1 college basketball program in America since 1949 among schools with the most NBA draft picks.

We had an incredible draft night last year with KL, RW and LRMAM. Expectations are a little mellower this year. However, that shouldn't dampen the enthusiams to celebrate the contibutions of three incredibles seniors one more time here on Bruins Nation:

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Graphic Credit: A Huge Thank You To Erkki Corpuz

The spotlight is obviously on DC, our floor general for last three years. If it all goes well it could be great night for him culminating after four incredible years in Westwood. We know JS and PAA are longest of long shots. However, as mentioned above it shouldn't by any means diminish the gratitude we all feel for the impact they have had on UCLA basketball helping Coach Howland rebuild our program.

The draft festivities get started tonight at 4 pm PST. WWL is all over it and you can follow ESPN's coverage online over here.

So best of luck to DC, JS and PAA tonight. They will have the whole Bruin Nation pulling for them. On that note fire away in our 2009 NBA Draft Party thread.

GO BRUINS.

UPDATE (N): Congrats to DC!!! He goes to New Orleans Hornets at number 21 spot. Earlier in the night Jrue Holiday despite the relentelss hype of being a lotter pick dropped down to number 17, going to Philly. Some early tidbits from UCLA athletics tweeter feed:

UCLA now has six first-round draft picks in the last four years. No one in the nation has more (pending the end of tonight's first round).

Coach Howland is classy and incredibly proud:

What a great day for UCLA Bruin players again! 2 more 1st round picks. Congras to Darren and Jrue. The whole team watched it in my office.

And we are all watched right here on BN. Now here is to wishing JS and PAA luck rest of the way and congrats one against to DC! GO BRUINS.

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I'm wishing Jrue the best of luck too

I know not everyone on this board will share that sentiment with me, but I still like the kid and him going high in the draft will also help our recruiting efforts going forward.

by BruinJD on Jun 25, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Jrue's recruiting impact

It can be a mix of positive and negative. In MY opinion, a year under CBH greatly benefited him and was all positive for his future, BUT I can see people twisting it and saying CBH can’t utilize talent (i.e., “Jrue only averaged 9 points a game with UCLA, now he’s average 18 with the New York Knicks! Howland has no offense!”)

With that being said, I’ll be pulling for him as well, as the other 3. We all know how good a coach we have, and that’s frankly all that matters.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your BUT scenario

is a good possibility given what we have seen on the PR front last few weeks.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's junk

I hear it from my friends all the time, which I’m sure they get from the BS they hear on the radio/TV.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is junk

However it is most likely not showing up in the traditional media by mistake.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed BruinJD

While I appreciate Nestor’s amount of posts and attention to this website, we really need to show class to ALL of our Bruins.

by EJBruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm rooting for Jrue too

I don’t think of him the way I think of DC, AA2 or JS, but I’m still rooting for him and hoping that he has a good career.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Lakers sold their pick...

There goes the DC to the Lakers pipe dream.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

go jrue!!!!

he will be a stud in the league.

dc js paa will bring it as goo back-ups i love these guys.

rip mj

by dodgers2009 on Jun 25, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I Feel the Same Way

I think Jrue is a good kid and, having read all of the interviews and posts to which people take offense, I respectfully have disagreed, consistently with their interpretations.

Jrue made a major contribution to our program, and I wish him well.

However, no one and done will ever win hold the same place in my Blue and Gold heart as that held by the guys who stayed the course.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jun 25, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Has there been a more unpredictable draft than this year's?

Players jump up and down draft boards by the hour and it seems as if there is always a new trade possibility. I think this is a product of a draft lacking superstar talent outside of Blake Griffin and a foreigner with a large buyout in Ricky Rubio, but plenty of depth.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

It's necessary that I take a jab at the Clippers now

Blake Griffin knew he’d be picked by LA, which is why he wore a purple shirt. Then when his name was announced, he found out that there’s another professional team in LA besides the Lakers.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not trying to defend Jrue...

and I will always be rooting a little harder for DC, but I hope Jrue gets picked early tonight. It will only reinforce a great recruiting pitch: playing winning basketball at UCLA gets you noticed. You play in a big media market, against marquee opponents, in front of passionate fans.

by PEDbruin on Jun 25, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Hasheem Thabeet is overrated

but I love seeing teams making such defensive minded picks.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

but I think Rubio is overrated too. And he doesn’t have Hasheem’s height on his side.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wooooooooo!

Good for Harden, good for the Pac-10 and GREAT for RW.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Harden w/ Westbrook

I’ve always loved Harden’s game.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Harden seems like a good guy

And his illegal offhand pushoffs will fit in nicely in the NBA. Westbrook/Harden/Durant make for a nice young trio.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Rubio

I think the Kings get him now.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the smaller market teams

are scared of the potential buyout and chance he stays in Spain if he doesn’t like the city he’s drafted by. I’d be shocked if the T-Wolves don’t draft him though, but if they don’t, there’s no way Don Nelson passes on him with the 7th.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the pace

It seems better than what they do in the NFL

by SuperBruinMan on Jun 25, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

That pick could be huge for Jrue

He would be a nice fit in NY. Tho right now the Knicks fans might not like whoever NY gets here just b/c it isn’t Curry

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

NY hates GS now

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Good pick by Golden State

It’ll be fun for Warriors fans to watch Ellis and Curry in the back court together. Each are adept on the ball and off the ball, making them dangerous in the open court and also making it tough to game plan against them.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

why would they trade for acie law and speedy

that made me think they were gonna select bigger, like jordan hill

I wonder if that bad work out had to do with the jordan hill selection over Jrue

O.A.

by Ollie on Jun 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought the Knicks would go PG

either Jrue or Jennings, but I like Hill. Toronto has such an uncertain future that I have no idea where they’ll go now.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

K. Love

He dominated Jordan Hill in college.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW

I’ve always loved your screenname

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jrue...

isn’t going to NJ, that’s for sure. Not after today’s trade. Charlotte has no need for him. I’m thinking Jrue goes to Indy.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

agree

mock drafts sure boosted his ego…now look where he is

GO BRUINS!!! CHEER LIKE CHAMPIONS!!!

by bk bruin on Jun 25, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I think Jrue really believed that the Knicks would take him. Hell, I thought the Knicks would take him. Indy will likely take him now, although it could be Phoenix considering the uncertainty around Nash.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phx would be great for him I think

give him the open offense he’s been asking for

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except the PHX offense

is made for shooters. Jrue, is not that. At least not yet.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...

I don’t even know if he would even go to Indy, seeing that they have TJ Ford and Jarret Jack right now. Although I know they’ve been shopping Ford.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Hype

Anyone else notice how long Jrue has been #1 on Bilas’ picks…seems like it has been quite awhile now.

by BruinDrums on Jun 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

yep

he has been exposed. despite all the talk, i think people generally respect CBH for all the quality players he’s produced to the NBA. All of JH’s talk probably left a bad impression. I’m sure he’s talented, but he has shown that he’s not much of a team player. that’s my speculation anyway.

by UCLAbruin920 on Jun 25, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Bilas loves Jrue more than his own mother

Bilas started singing Jrue’s praises before he even put a UCLA uniform on and continued it all year. Why stop now that he’s a potential draft pick?

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

jrue’s not at the draft is he?…it would suck if he had to sweat it out alone down there since he’s falling s fast

by andyland on Jun 25, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Jrue still dropping

Bay Area fan going to UCLA.

by Yoyo on Jun 25, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

For a refresher on Gerald Henderson (#12)

look for the villian in this video. Really, it works for his former teammates, as well.

by bruinhoo on Jun 25, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Those repors of Jrue not having good workouts

Must have been something there there …

Probably should have kept his mouth shut, reduced his whining and focus on his workouts.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Pacers get Tyler.

I don’t think Jrue saw himself going lower than Tyler Hansbrough, I hope he gets picked up soon. It really is too bad, I know its hard to resist the NBA and all the money they offer, but just one more year studying under Howland and he probably would have been a guranteed top ten pick, maybe even top five.

by BruinDrums on Jun 25, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Tyler...

I like the guy. He reminds me of our very own DC. Stayed in school, always looking to win.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

It's official

Jrue is out of the lottery.

by daggy on Jun 25, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

It's official

He is the Brady Quinn of 2009 NBA Draft.

He just lost millions by declaring early and dropping like a rock in the NBA workouts.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Burn Notice is about to start...

So I’ll be waiting here to see if Jrue gets picked in the next hour

by bruinhoo on Jun 25, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I won't care where he ends up, I wont really follow him

I’d like to see him do well, but I can’t help but feel a little satisfaction every time he drops

I’m already a bit heart broken that The lakers sold a chance at DC, but I’m eagerly awaiting his selection

O.A.

by Ollie on Jun 25, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

You mean the TV shot?

Painful.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

So much for that Lottery Hype

Wasn’t that the reason he went through the charade of a decision making process? It was a done deal for His Highness.

Hey Jrue … hope this is “fun” for you.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope ... no Jrue here

Detroit drops His Highness Holiday.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I met Austin's cousin

very nice family. Remember watching Darren at UCLA. Best of luck to Austin, has pretty nice game.

by Bruins095 on Jun 25, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions  

YEP

that would make this an epic night.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That thought went

through my mind. Man, that would be beautiful. How would it feel if that senior point guard that he destroyed in practice every day were to go ahead of him in the draft?

by BruinFanBaby on Jun 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

I feel badly for Jrue. The ultimate jab will be if DC gets picked over him. I wish him well but can’t wonder what it would have been like next year with him still a Bruin.

Oh well. Good luck Jrue,, wherever you land.

by Bald Eagle on Jun 25, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow

I feel badly for Jrue. The ultimate jab will be if DC gets picked over him. I wish him well but can’t wonder what it would have been like next year with him still a Bruin.

Oh well. Good luck Jrue,, wherever you land.

by Bald Eagle on Jun 25, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

one mock draft

had Jrue going as high as number 4 at one point. how far is he going to fall?

by Bruins095 on Jun 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Who would you want on the bench?

A kid who is going to give it his all, listen to his coach, and not POUT: DC.

And Mr. I’d like to have “fun”, life is not “fair” His Highness Mr. Gatorade All Hype Player of the Year Jrue Holiday.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

dc deserves it

DC deserves to be drafted ahead of jrue….works harder and will pay dividends faster than a project like jrue

by andyland on Jun 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

This draft is working out perfectly for Howland

He now has the perfect case study for MORONs who jump early, based on all hype.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

so much for the reports

on how much Jrue impressed. there are obviously some doubts. This is a fairly weak draft as well.

by Bruins095 on Jun 25, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

those reports

were being fueled by his PR lackies and handlers I am going to assume.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for Jrue

It’s got to be brutal for him to be sitting there all alone now. While not as good as some have hyped up, I think he ends up as a steal this late in the draft

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

No PT for Jrue

The farther he drops, the less PT he’ll get. Playoff teams aren’t just going to throw him in to the rotation. Minnesota has already taken two guards. Atlanta did trade away their backup PG though

by redwhiteandbruin on Jun 25, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

ipfreely

read the community rules. You violate it one more time, you will be gone.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately

most kids probably won’t pay attention. The youngsters hear the constant hype and want to go pro asap. Moiso and Rush come to mind.

by Bruins095 on Jun 25, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah

He is going to hang out in the bench for a while and he just lost millions. If he stayed the Harden route, come back and actually played pg, he could have been a top-10 pick. Whatever.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didn't lose that much money

It’s not like the NFL where rookies get huge money. NBA players don’t get that much in their rookie deals and if he pans out and reaches his potential, he’ll probably end up making more money in the end because he reaches free agency faster.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is based on the assumption

that he will actually prove himself while getting limited time on the bench and also the assumption that he will deal with an adverse situation when he has to actually fight and compete for mins.

During his UCLA career he never really showed his willingness to fight or compete.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He clearly has confidence in his ability

We’ll see how it pans out, but from a financial perspective, I think it’s a smart move. Even if he doesn’t develop fantastically then he still is a 23 year old free agent with the raw skills teams drool over. Then one team probably overpays for him because it only takes one team to make a bad move for a player to cash in. From a purely financial perspective, I think it’s a good move.

Also, with Andre Miller as a free agent and looking at only a short term deal if he resigns, Jrue will get more minutes in Philly than he probably should. Playing next to some quality wing players in a wide open offense and having the simple job of dumping the ball into Brand in the halfcourt actually makes this a great fit for him. We’ll see what happens now.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, he'll be a guarteend payday as a 1st round pick

and you never know what might have happened if he stayed in school another year. Freak injuries happen (just ask Drew Gordon) and one injury can completely ruin a young player’s career.

by BruinJD on Jun 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats ridiculous...

Who ever has a career ending injury in basketball?

by westwood78 on Jun 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

I certainly won’t be following whatever he does in Philly.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Good thing RW didn’t think that way because he actually had the mentality of a Ben Ball warrior.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brady Quinn

Is Jrue going to be the Brady Quinn of the NBA draft?

by seas98 on Jun 25, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Jrue to Philly

Good place for Jrue. He’ll be behind Andre Miller so he can learn from a true pro and will have time to mature. He’ll also get to play a more up and down style, which better fits his skill set at this point. Philly got a lot more value then you should at 17.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

well andre miller is a free agent…

by hans007 on Jun 25, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's right

Hmmm, well if Philly can resign him to a short term deal it’s a good fit for him. If not, hopefully they sign a veteran backup.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jrue is lying

Coming into draft he was a late first round, early second.

Is he kidding?

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally!

This is going to be the steal of the draft. Philly got a lottery talent with the 17th pick. And a great fit for Jrue too!

by BruinJD on Jun 25, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Of course

he’s going to be making more money than any of us. But it’s all relative. You go lottery, you add a couple more million (guaranteed) to that contract.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The money in the NBA isn't made when you're drafted

This isn’t the NBA. Even LeBron James never got more than $5+ million per year on his rookie deal. The money is made on your second or third deal and Jrue will get there a year faster.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's true

But God forbid he suffers a career ending injury. What then?

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

what if he suffered a career ending injury while at UCLA?

then he gets no money at all. so its still a smart move.

by kidro2001 on Jun 25, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do get some sponsorships

Not sure how much for a mid first rounder

by SuperBruinMan on Jun 25, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

if its all about money

then why not stay and play you’re natural position, and go on to make more money and have a chance to start.

For some, its about more than money though, like Darren Collison, its time to find were a true Bruin legend gets drafted!

O.A.

by Ollie on Jun 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because all it takes is one injury and its all over

Plus by adding one more year of pro ball onto the front end of his career he’s creating more long term earning potential

by BruinJD on Jun 25, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess, but he could just as easily get injured as a bench warmer in Philly

as he could playing point guard at UCLA, where he would undoubtedly improve his stock and have the opportunity to get drafted to a team where he can play right away.

anyway, best of luck to him, it is his choice, obviously you and i agree on whether it was the right one, i guess time will tell.

O.A.

by Ollie on Jun 25, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

but now if he gets hurt, he already has guaranteed millions by being a first round draft choice whereas if he gets hurt playing for UCLA he’ll end up having to actually work for a living like the rest of us (and probably not making millions)

by BruinJD on Jun 25, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

this seems like a good fit for him. the 76ers are a run and gun team , other than that rat bastard brand who stabbed my clippers in the back.

by hans007 on Jun 25, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

NBA Drafts Potential?

All year long, when many of us said that Jrue would need to come back another year, it was said that no matter how much it appeared that Jrue needed another year in college, the pro’s saw the potential when he was in high school and didn’t really care what he did this year.

The mantra was that he would go high in the draft, and be developed for a couple of years.

I think it is clear to all of us he needed another year. And I hope it becomes clear to other who think their potential is all they need.

That said. Congrat’s to Jrue and may your dreams come true.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jun 25, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

minnesota

picks a third pg in the first round

by realfabfive on Jun 25, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Does anyone know if CBH is there?

I’d love to have a picture of him congratulating DC when he’s picked.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Doubt it

I bet Coach is reaching out to Jrue though. That’s our coach.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he is and that he's proud of his player

also, unlike some others, I’m sure he’s taking no joy in the fact that one of his players didn’t do as well on draft day as he expected

by BruinJD on Jun 25, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW Jrue is going to have "fun" in Philadelphia

I hear the fans in that town are not very demanding. It should “fun” & “fair”!

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

More K Love tweets:

there you go j’rue….gotta give love to my bruins

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

So, what the salary differential between pick 14 and pick 17?

And does “lottery” just mean that they get a guaranteed contract vs. no guaranteed contract?

by snorkeldorf on Jun 25, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

first round is guaranteed. the difference probably isnt huge.

by hans007 on Jun 25, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

No major difference

Saying you’re a lottery pick just sounds better. You make a little less, but it’s not different than the drop off between other picks. The entire first round is guaranteed.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Lottery" is a really just a mental difference + quality of team

The major distinction in draft picks is 1st round (guaranteed K) and 2nd round (not automatically guaranteed).

Difference between #14 and #17 is a hundred $k/year, give or take.

by bruinhoo on Jun 25, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good research

Not a big difference and we see that you don’t make much (comparatively) on your rookie deal.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I was wrong about the money difference. Thanks for the info.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Well when you’re going into the NBA and considering the finances, you’re not thinking in terms of a few million. You’re looking for that few dozen million.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

thx for this link

I was looking for that info, but at the wrong site :(

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glimpse of Arthur Ashe

In that last tennis commercial. Great is an understatement.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

He's been ahead of DC in almost every mock draft

Teams love his size as a point guard and are scared off by DC’s. Also, he’s picked by Utah, who has Derron Williams so they want a guy who can play some 2. DC would get 7 minutes a game for the next 10 years in Utah.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I def. would not want him in Utah, for his sake.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

What was Maynor's last college play?

Oh, yeah.

Come on, DC!

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Philly fans

On the bright side, at least his name rhymes with “BOOOOOOO”.. He can bullshit himself for a while.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Jun 25, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Philly could be a good fit for him

If, as others mentioned, Philly doesn’t re-sign Andre Miller

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's a better fit for him if they do resign Miller

so long as it is to a short term (2 year?) deal. That would allow him to learn from a true pro in Miller and Miller is getting older so Jrue will still get 15 minutes a game and even 20 in some games. The players around him and system are a great fit though.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

good points

I’d neglected to consider that Miller could just get a short term deal.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jrue did lose millions by slipping to number 17

Check out the 2009-10 NBA salary scale on HoopsWorld

There is a substantial difference in going at number 5 spot and going at number 17. It amounts to millions and there is the added factor about not being retained for 3rd year.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Money early on

will be money gained long term. Factor in endorsements and you’re making up a lot of that money early on. He gets another year of free agency negotiated money too by leaving, which when you consider the average NBA salary will likely be $6 million by then, plus the inflated price of point guards, pushing it to possibly $8 million, assuming he’s just mediocre amounts to a financial gain for Jrue.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or he could have made millions more

if he came back and proved himself like RW.

My argument is Jrue did lose millions from being a potential lottery pick to just a first rounder. If he came back and lived up to his hype he would have been a lottery pick. But it looks like he was afraid to compete and prove himself like RW did and instead just ran for the easy money. Whatever … can’t turn down millions but he will be forgotten soon and not remembered as a Ben Ball warriors.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

They've done the numbers on it

In the majority of situations, a player makes more money by getting into the draft as soon as possible. I understand your frustration towards Jrue and feeling that he’s not a Ben Ball Warrior. That’s fine, but financially, Jrue did the right thing.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

We will have to disagree on that last point

and leave it at that. I stand by the arguments I made above.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

There he goes wow congrats

thats earlier than i thought!

O.A.

by Ollie on Jun 25, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

DC @ 21. this is about where people expected him to go

by hans007 on Jun 25, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so proud of DC. I will be excited to see him play with Chris Paul.

by TX Bruin06 on Jun 25, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Great spot for DC

Who wouldn’t want to spell Chris Paul and play against the best every day in practice?

by MbahABako on Jun 25, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Very happy for DC

Guaranteed contract, no pressure to try to be a starter, and going to learn from one of the best in the game.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I love seeing DC drafted

but I wish he’d gone somewhere that he’d have a chance to earn more minutes. He does get his guaranteed contract though and no pressure. Not great, but certainly not bad. Congrats!

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

LRMAM went to a team that lacked forwards

and needed defense. DC can only play one position and New Orleans has the world’s best point guard. I don’t see him getting more than 7 or 8 a game.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed. he will have his chance

but it seems weird to draft a backup to your star player here

by kidro2001 on Jun 25, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

DC.....and his clothes

Nice going, Darren….and you look freaking sharp in that pink tie and pocket square…you represent UCLA well and will continue to do so in the NBA…..go get ’em!

by jraucla on Jun 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Insomniac...

Waiting for KL’s tweet from you…

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by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

my bad

he said he was going on break, but came back:

“yesss darren…..good for you, GUMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO”

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmm

Byron Scott, a guy who was known for his defense as a player, takes DC, a guy know for his defense. Coincidence?

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha

In the Ball Don’t Lie mock draft, where I made the pick for the Lakers, I got Claver all the way down at 29.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Spain

They’re just a soccer country. Oh, wait…

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by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Loved Colbert's line last night

‘Soccer: the game for 4th graders that foreigners take seriously.’

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fran Fraschilla has never met a Euro player he didn't love

most likely b/c following them has allowed him to have a career.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

If you were to go through the tape

You’d probably find the only Euro he didn’t like was someone like Dirk Nowitzki. I don’t know if that’s true, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

I do really like Claver though. It’s a good pick for Portland and as a Laker fan, I don’t like it.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

CP3

Best backup PG in the league.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Jun 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

JH

From the ESPN Draft Chat:

          "Jon (SFC): Describe your experience at UCLA.

           Jrue Holliday: It was fun. Frustrating at times, but I wouldn’t change it for the world."

by uclaw1 on Jun 25, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Coach Howland

Just tweeted:


@Ben_Howland What a great day for UCLA Bruin players again! 2 more 1st round picks. Congras to Darren and Jrue.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions  

From nola.com - Hornets Beat

“The Hornets hope what they have in Collison is a player that won’t need two or three years to develop and can make an immediate impact.’

by ucla717274 on Jun 25, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd say they have that

experience, work ethic, loyalty, defense – all things that rookies struggle with.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to ESPN.com

Part of the reason Jrue fell was because of concerns over a shoulder injury. Believe what you will.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I am not going to believe anything

when I hear Holiday saying he was happy with his 17 spot as it was an improvement from him being projected late first round, early second round pick.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was projected there at one point

he fell down towards late first, early second towards the end of the seasons when he had all those dreadful performances. then the controlled workouts started and he shot back up.

by kidro2001 on Jun 25, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

If anyone has been following this draft somewhat

they knew full well Jrue was hyped to be a top-10 if not a lottery pick.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes he was

that was after the tournament when the NBA workouts started. the draft projections I am referring to are NBADraft.net and draftexpress.com. They listed him that low in late March.

by kidro2001 on Jun 25, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah those sites are dime a dozen

the day he had his first press conference, Coach Howland projected him somewhere in the first round. That’s where everyone was projecting him. His line was he was going to remain in the draft if he knew for sure if he was going to be a lottery pick. There was never any talk from him or people around him of being a late first round and early second round pick. That was a total bullshit line from Jrue (like many others from this past few weeks) tonight.

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

F-USC

Couldn’t help but laugh when I saw that after Gibson’s name.

by TrueBlueBlood on Jun 25, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

stewart scott come on

thought sc was a football school.. apparently he missed the news that usc bball was falling apart yet again

by realfabfive on Jun 25, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions  

pac 10 doing well again

6 players (no budinger yet), acc (5), big east (4)

by realfabfive on Jun 25, 2009 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

A Philly perspective

Just got back from DC (no, the one where the President lives), so I’m late to the post on the Sixers. The big news here is that with Eddie Jordan as coach, the team will be playing more of a Princeton offense—which probably would have better suited the intelligent DC (the Bruin, not the city) than the raw JH. If Andre Miller stays around it’ll be a great learning experience. If he doesn’t, it could be deer in the headlights time for Jrue. And of course Jason Kapono is now a Sixer, so in my East Coast exile from the promised land, I now have two Bruins to root for—the first here in a long time, I think.

by Herodotus on Jun 25, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

The Princeton Offense ... lol

Oh boy. That is gonna be “fun” for Jrue!

by Nestor on Jun 25, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is Jordan's connection to the Princeton offense?

It worked well for the Kings in the 90s w/ Bibby, Peja, and a couple good passing big men in Webber and Vlade. Plus they had the guru, Carril on the bench to help run it. Kind of hard to picture Dalembert, Young, and Brand making those passes from the high post.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoops, nevermind

I guess if I’d bothered to check Wiki, I would have seen that Jordan was an asst on those very same Sac teams.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

iPhone 3Gs

I’m doing all this from my new one. Slick.

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by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Darko

Why the Nuggets got Carmelo. Thank you, Detroit.

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by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

the Knickerbockers

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, thanks.

Straight cash, nothing in return? Wonder what the cash value of a 29th pick is worth.

by snorkeldorf on Jun 25, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They got 3 mil for the pick

according to the voices coming out of the radio. If so, that’s great value for the Lakers as they try to re-sign Ariza and Odom.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Further proof ...

that I’m in the wrong business!

by snorkeldorf on Jun 25, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard $3 million from a few places now

but I still can’t believe it. Not only did they get a future second round pick as well, but the 29th pick was valued at $500,000. How do you get $3 million for that? I guess with the Knicks it’s possible, but these aren’t Isiah Thomas’ Knicks.Hopefully I’m wrong though because $3 million for that pick would be great.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

It's good karma time

For Josh and Alfred. We’re pulling for you guys!

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by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

From ESPN's draft chat

Stephen (Fl): Darren, will u miss UCLA?

Darren Collison: Aw man..I will more than miss it. Just hearing that question, it gets me stuck answering it. It’s a great organization and a great staff. You can’t have anything better than being at UCLA for four years.

by sf99 on Jun 25, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Well

I was there for five.

I love, love, love DC

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

+4 for me, I suppose

I was there for eight years- tho admittedly, the grad school experience does not equal undergrad.

by insomniacslounge on Jun 25, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darren on ESPN Chat

Buzzmaster: Darren Collison is up next!

Ty (Iowa): What aspect of your game do you most need to improve at the next level?

Darren Collison: Experience. For us rookies one thing they can say about us is we don’t have enough experience. That’s something I can always improve on. I’m looking forward to it.

Pat (Wooster): how does it feel to be the fastest man alive?

Darren Collison: Feels quick.

Avi (NY): What will it be like playing with Chris Paul?

Darren Collison: It’s going to be great. Just playing behind one of the best pgs in the league, I get to soak up so much knowledge. Having that experience, will be great. Playing behind one of the best pgs in the league is something I really need for my future.

Chudi A (Atlanta, GA): are you gona focus on playin point in the leauge or are u thinking bout tryin the 2 spot?

Darren Collison: Whatever works for the team. Whatever Byron Scott needs me to do. Regardless, I’ll play the defense I’ve been playing the last twoyears. Right now, I’m just happy to be a part of the organization and I’ll be successful at whatever role they give me.

Ian (Houston): Are you looking foward to go to NOLA?

Darren Collison: Yeah. At this point, anybody can tell you that they’re looking forward to going to any team. There’s so much preparation in this process. We don’t know where we’re going. But you’re going to give them your best. I’m definitely excited to be a part of New Orleans and I’m looking forward to being a part of this organization.

Trent (Jacksonville, Fl): What are your expectations for your NBA carrer as well as your expectations as a team?

Darren Collison: I think my expectations is to be the best player I can be as a point guard. What more can I have than being behind one of the best PGs in the league. I’m going to take as much as I can from him.

Stephen (Fl): Darren, will u miss UCLA?

Darren Collison: Aw man..I will more than miss it. Just hearing that question, it gets me stuck answering it. It’s a great organization and a great staff. You can’t have anything better than being at UCLA for four years.

Buzzmaster: Thanks Darren!

by truebluebruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Now that

is class personified…I congratulated DC on his Facebook page as well. He is one of our finest – always will be.

by daggy on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

He’s definitely one of my all time favorite Bruins.

by truebluebruin on Jun 25, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Darren!

That from Buzzmaster, but I don’t think any two words express my thoughts on DC better than that.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 25, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

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