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A Little Insight Into Jrue Holiday

Philadelphia 76ers first-round NBA basketball draft pick Jrue Holiday pose for a photograph during a news conference in Philadelphia, Friday, June 26, 2009. Holiday was picked 17th overall in Thursday night's draft. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

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4 months ago: Philadelphia 76ers first-round NBA basketball draft pick Jrue Holiday pose for a photograph during a news conference in Philadelphia, Friday, June 26, 2009. Holiday was picked 17th overall in Thursday night's draft. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

I know there has been some talk over whether or not Jrue Holiday is really a Bruin or not. Some have made it clear that they don't care for Jrue, while others have stuck by his side a little more. That brought us to an interesting point when jsams over at Liberty Ballers, SBN's Philadelphia 76ers blog, asked if we'd like to answer some questions about Jrue. Because N and a couple other frontpagers have a less than favorable opinion of Jrue, they had no interest in answering some questions on him so they passed it along and I decided to answer the questions.

I don't think Jrue has handled much the way he should have, but I don't see any malice in what he'd done and I think that he's gotten a bit of an unfair rap from some Bruins. At the end of the day, I think he acted like a 18 or 19 year old kid in a high pressure situation. That said, here are my responses to their questions on Jrue, someone I will forever consider a Bruin and root for, even if I don't do so in the same way I do it for AA, DC or some of our other Bruins.

LB: Did Jrue perform better than his 8-3-3 numbers indicate? Worse?

Ryan: It was really dependent on the game. The tools are there, no doubt and some games you would see them. There were some games where Jrue was all over the court, defending, rebounding, scoring, passing. There were also other games where Jrue would get frustrated, get torched defensively, turn the ball over at an alarming rate and struggle to put the ball in the basket. It's really tough to say whether or not he was better than his 8-3-3 numbers indicate because half of the time he was, but other times he was worse.

LB: What are Jrue's strengths?

Ryan: He's got a great body for a point guard. At a very long 6'3'', he's going to be able to match up with just about anyone in the league and will have a size advantage over most. His length causes problems on defense, especially on smaller guards as he disrupts opposing point guards in their attempts to initiate the offense. He has good ball handling skills and shows a good feel for the game, especially in the open court. His biggest strength is probably his ability to finish around the rim. While he can, Holiday is not the type of guy who will throw it down when he goes to the rim. Instead, he's able to weave his way past shot blockers, go with a tear drop over shot blockers and can finish with either hand.

LB: Weaknesses?

Ryan: Jrue needs to improve his jump shot. His mechanics aren't bad, but they aren't consistent. He has the tools to be a very good shooter, but it will take some work. He also certainly needs to mature. Against some better teams, he was taken out of his game by their skill and strength. When he got beat a few times defensively, he tended to become a tentative defender and lose his confidence. The truth is, he has the maturity of a 19 year old. That's not too bad considering he is only 19, but an 82 game season isn't the best thing for a kid looking to mature. He has a good family and isn't a bad kid, but the fact is that he is a kid and at times, will act as such.

LB: UCLA has had a handful of unpolished, athletic guys who turned out better than expected in recent years. See: Farmar, Ariza, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Westbrook. Holiday seems to fall in this same category. Do you see him developing as well as these guys?

Ryan: I think Jrue can develop as well as the guys you mentioned, but certainly not as quickly as them. Of those players, only Ariza played a single season of college ball and it took him some time to break out. The other players all made solid contributions within the first year or two and while Jrue can make a contribution, he won't live up to his potential for a few years. Ben Howland's system is extremely effective for the college game and while it doesn't let all players put up huge numbers, it prepares players well for the pros. Holiday's skills have been refined under Howland and he can outproduce his college numbers, but it will take some time first.

LB: Blogging aside, as a Bruins fan, what were your feelings about Jrue Holiday in his one season at UCLA?

Ryan: I know some UCLA fans have less than favorable feelings towards Holiday for some of the remarks that may have come out of the Holiday camp, but I don't harbor those same feelings. While I don't have the same attachment to him that I have for guys who were Bruins for three or four years, some of the missteps that caused some fans to turn on him were a result of questionable people around him, in my opinion, and more than anything, immaturity on Holiday's part. He didn't live up to expectations that many would have for a High School Player of the Year, but he made his contribution despite playing out of position and I still consider him a Bruin. I'll be rooting for him in Philly.

LB: How is Jrue off the court? Good character? Work ethic? Bright kid?

Ryan: As has been the theme thus far, immaturity describes him pretty well. The positive side to all of that is that it's something he will grow out of and I think he's a pretty good kid. He has a good feel for the game and a high basketball IQ. By all accounts, he works his tail off in the offseason and does so in games when he's not downtrodden, a result of immaturity. While he may have some issues the first year or two as he matures, if you are willing to wait a few years, I think you'll have a high character guy who works extremely hard.

LB: Anything else us salivating Sixers fans should know about our new point guard?

Ryan: I think you guys got an absolute steal at #17. Jrue's talent level is far above that of a #17 pick and if you're willing to be a little patient then your patience will be rewarded. While Eddie Jordan will likely bring his Princeton offense with him, I don't see that stopping you from getting into the open floor on stops, where Jrue can shine. For the first couple years, he's going to have some trouble in the half court as he works on his jump shot, but I think that he will become a good half court player eventually. I think it would be best if you resigned Andre Miller or another veteran point guard so Jrue can come off the bench for 15 minutes a game early on and learn the game, then take the starting spot over in a year or two. All in all, a great pick by your Sixers.

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nice balanced write up of Jrue's strengths and weakenesses

One point I would make is he does have the advantage of coming from a pretty solid family which should help him quite a bit in the transition to the NBA. Guys with immaturity who don’t have stable families usually end up in a world of trouble once they get to the association. I think his family will give him enough boundaries to be able to mature in the nba without getting involved in some of the less savory elements.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Jun 28, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Point!

I am so glad you brought this up. Nineteen (for most) is young and inexperienced, period. Without the stable, strong family you describe, nineteen armed with wads of cash is a disaster looking for a place to implode.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Jun 29, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A point I think deserved a little more emphasis.

In assessing Holiday’s potential for development, you says “Ben Howland’s system is extremely effective for the college game and while it doesn’t let all players put up huge numbers, it prepares players well for the pros.” I think we all may have underestimated the impact that even one season of constant practice under Coach Howland may have.

OK. Now I re-impose my moratorium on Holiday until next basketball season.

Can we please have football season start?

by Fox 71 on Jun 28, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

I can’t wait to see how this new O-line comes together :)

by captainqtp on Jun 29, 2009 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some quick points

I have had to LOL a bit in last few days when getting emails about how we “hate” Holiday. Hate is too strong a word to describe the feelings towards a 19 year old. Are lot of us upset with the kid? Of course we are. However, it’s ridiculous to assert we hate him.

If we really hated the kid, we wouldn’t have bothered to pass the query from 6ers blog to Rye or others on the frontpage who feel differently about Holiday’s actions after UCLA. If we really hated the kid, we would have just fired off tart emails to Philly bloggers saying we had no interest in responding to their query as a community.

Moreover, I asked Rye to post this on the homepage to send a clear signal that we know there is a strong difference in opinion when it comes to Holiday and that is OK. As I have always maintained, we have no problems with people offering their opinion of support for Holiday or put up posts tracking his post-UCLA ventures. However, what we will not tolerate is any kind of attack on the moderators or lectures on how to run the community.

Our body of work speaks for itself when it comes to how we can strongly disagree each other and yet strengthen our community those disagreements. We have had many strident debates among long term members of this place and it never weakened us. Same will be the case in this situation. Still if that means sacrificing some drive by trolls and hit and run commenters or people who still don’t get what BN has been about for last four years, then so be it.

GO BRUINS.

by Nestor on Jun 28, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well said

and nicely done Rye

by impaulv on Jun 29, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Rye!

That was a breath of fresh air. Good call letting rye handle this one and good points from Nestor re: the word “hate”.
Now, I’m with Fox – Bring on Football season!

by kballs on Jun 28, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You represented Bruinsnation very well Rye

The only point I disagree with is your point that Jrue’s talent is well above that of a 17 pick. I never saw the potential that you see, but I hope I’m wrong. I do agree that the Sixers would do very well to sign Andre Miller, however, as I think he’s one of the savviest point guards in the game today.

Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.

by bruin8uclap on Jun 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Job Rye

You represented BN very well.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jun 29, 2009 5:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank You, Rye

Great analysis, and very fair.
I agree that Jrue probably should have gone before #17, but I think the number itself ends up being fairly meaningless from a performance standpoint after the top 3 or 4, anyway. (I haven’t done a statistical analysis, so maybe the #‘s are better actual predictors than I think they are.) For what it’s worth, I thought Ty Lawson should have gone higher, as well.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Jun 29, 2009 8:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Like a few have already stated

I also believe that 17 isn’t a particularly low spot for JH when you look at his body of work. Either way, I believe in the end that it is irrelevant. The draft is over and it’s all on the players now to prove that they were worth their selections. That goes for Blake Griffin all the way down.

by Tydides on Jun 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My quick thoughts about Holiday.

1. I never saw anything at UCLA that showed me he was deserving of going among the first ten picks, let alone a first round draft pick. I don’t watch the YouTube videos of high school performances, so I really didn’t see anything. I thought Shipp and Aboya, for example, were better players for the Bruins this year. As far as potential, that is in the eye of the beholder.

2. He would’ve done well to stay another year at UCLA running the point, if that is his true position, to show a pro team that he is worthy of their high first round pick.

3. The “one and done” rule sucks. In my day, players couldn’t even play on the varsity until their sophomore year. Now, they can play in the NBA. What a difference. It hurts both the players and the programs. Occasionally, certain players can make a seamless transition to the pros, but more often than not, they are not physically or mentally ready for the NBA. I predict Holiday will be one of those not ready.

4. I love the program, but fair or not, I like some players more than others. Holiday was never one of my favorites. I hope he will do well in the NBA because I think it reflects well on the program, but I certainly will not lose sleep at night if he doesn’t (unlike, say, Ed O’Bannon, although I didn’t really lose sleep. I just felt bad).

5. Finally, there’s nothing wrong with Nestor expressing his opinions about Holiday. He certainly has built up political capitol here, so he’s got nothing to apologize for.

by waters96 on Jun 30, 2009 10:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You have to admire the guy (who I won't name because of my self-imposed moratorium)

He went from being just another guy a year out of highschool to being a first round draft pick in the league that he has undoubtedly wanted to be in since he was 5, and he will make more money next year than probably everyone who contributes to the BN (with the exception of Class of 66 and Barnes to JJ, of course.)

I don’t blame him for doing what he had to do from a PR standpoint and a workout standpoint and every other kind of standpoint. He got where he wanted to get and he got to hang out for a year at UCLA. He threw UCLA under the bus according to some, and he did nothing blameworth according to others. That debate will never be resolved. But what will be resolved are any financial problems that guy might have now and in the foreseeable future.

OK, back to moratorium.

by Fox 71 on Jun 30, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to a point.

He would’ve done well to stay another year at UCLA running the point, if that is his true position, to show a pro team that he is worthy of their high first round pick.

I felt the same way but I really can’t be bitter at Jrue for chasing his dream. I believe he proved himself on the NBA workout circuit and will make a great point guard for the Sixers. I’m proud of him regardless and I’ll be looking forward to seeing his progress in the NBA.

That being said, it’ll be nice to see Jerime Anderson and Malcolm Lee get a lot more playing time this season.

Also, I really do hope Aboya makes a team and does well for himself.

by JETisKing on Jul 6, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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