The Point Program For The Renovated Pauley "Seating Plan"
Bumped. GO BRUINS. -N
So here are the criterias for the "Bruin Priority Point Program":
1. CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF SEASON TICKET PURCHASE IN MEN ’S BASKETBALL
- 25 points awarded for every year of consecutive season ticket purchase in men’s basketball
2. CONSECUTIVE YEARS AS AN ATHLETIC ANNUAL FUND DONOR (Athletic Fund/Wooden Athletic Fund)
- 20 points awarded for every year of consecutive annual donor status for Wooden Athletic Fund
3. CUMULATIVE LIFETIME GIVING TO UCLA ATHLETICS
- 1 point awarded for every $100 given lifetime to UCLA Athletics (includes all giving to the Wooden Athletic Fund, Athletic Capital Campaign projects, Athletic Endowed Scholarships, Olympic Sports annual giving, etc)
4. ALUMNI OF UCLA
- 100 points awarded for UCLA alumni as defined by the UCLA Alumni Association (one-time assignment)
5. STUDENT-ATHLETE ALUMNI
- 100 points awarded for UCLA former student-athletes who achieved letter-winner status at least once (one-time assignment)
6. CAMPUS GIVING OF $100,000 AND MORE
- 1 point awarded for every $1,000 given lifetime to UCLA for donors who have given $100,000 or more for non-athletic purposes
7. CAMPAIGN OF CHAMPIONS CONTRIBUTIONS
- 5 points awarded for every $100 pledged (in writing) or given to the Campaign of Champions by December 31, 2009
- 3 points awarded for every $100 pledged (in writing) or given to the Campaign of Champions between January 1, 2010 and April 30, 2010
1 point awarded for every $100 pledged (in writing) or given to the Campaign of Champions between May 1, 2010 and March 31, 2011
Lot more details on the Campaign of Champions website.
Please use this thread to provide your feedback. If you are going to criticize please provide them in a well thought out manner instead of just ranting. If you think the plan is fair and equitable it would be great to heart that POV as well. It will be very interesting to hear all the takes so that we can move this conversation in a positive way.
GO BRUINS.
UPDATE (N): Brian Dohn has a story on this point program in the Daily News. Looks like UCLA devised this system after studying model from other schools:
UCLA also studied numerous point-system models, including those of Louisville, Arizona, Duke, Connecticut and Virginia, to determine how to structure its point system.
"We looked at all the different models to come up with a plan that really suits UCLA," senior associate athletic director Ross Bjork said. "We feel that we've achieved that."
The early comments in this thread seems positive. Would like to get more feedback on this. GO BRUINS.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Point Plan
Reading through the new literature from the Athletic department, I can see I’m going to have to pony up substantially more cash than I do now to keep my middle-grade season tickets to Bruin Hoops.
The point program essentially puts fans in competition for the best seats, especially those on the margins of a range bracket. If you’re not one of the top 1800 or so point holders, you’ll be in nosebleed land forever. Sigh. At least almost every game is on TV now…
by Big Ugly Llama on Jul 1, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems reasonably consistant with the new/renovated arena plans of other schools
Not sure exactly how the comparisons would hold once this is applied to the entirety of the ticketholding base, but not out of line with other major conference schools. Whether or not that is ‘right’ is, of course a matter for debate.
by bruinhoo on Jul 1, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As someone who would register a whopping 100 points (#4)
Nothing in there seems grossly unfair. Those who previously had better seats who now find themselves on the outside looking in may disagree but I particularly like item #6.
by Tydides on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Without knowledge of what the average amount
different people give and whether or not some of these numbers are about normal, this looks fair to me.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jul 1, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I has about 140 points...
Time to donate to the Campaign of Champions before 31 Dec ’09!!! :-)
by impaulv on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There will be no alumni section as at the Rose Bowl
I was probably in the last class which could possibly buy a house right after graduation (actually after graduation from law school, but pretty close.) Now, even with the housing market busted, a recent grad would be hard-pressed to buy a house unless he or she opted to buy way out beyond Lancaster and make the horrible drive. There will clearly be no home-owning recent grads in any sort of alumni section at Pauley, unless you want to include Darren Collison, although he’ll be busy during basketball season. There just isn’t that much money in California.
I don’t fault UCLA or anyone who opts for full-blown, revenue maximizing capitalism. Naturally, I hope they get all the money they can get, especially from those riding the bandwagon. But this pricing system seems to have been thought out by the same guys who figured out the pricing for the seats right by home plate at Yankee Stadium. If there are sell-outs, I will gladly confess error. But if the place only fills up to half-capacity, then the pricing structure committee needs to head over to the econ department and have someone explain elasticity of demand.
by Fox 71 on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I share your concerns/thoughts
While the point program seems “fair” enough to me, I don’t know who, but for the ultra-wealthy, will be able to fill up Pauley. I think I would have about 105 points under this system and we all pretty much start with 100 (sort of like the SAT where you get x number of points if you can spell your name correctly, at least under the old SAT. Incidentally, wasn’t there some famous athlete—basketball, maybe—who spelled his name wrong on the SAT? I can’t recall.).
Back to economics, as you mentioned, obviously, if they cannot sell the seats, they will have to revise the whole point system. I wish them a lot of luck.
by Barnes2JJ on Jul 2, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I share your concerns
but one thing is that Pauley was not a particulary rocking place place, and I think part of that was the compacency of having all the best seats secured by folks with grandfathered in donations. Some of them were passionate, but many were not.
I don’t know if this will make things more exciting, but I don’t really see Pauley becoming more dead than it already is for the non-big games. And I think the big games will always draw.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jul 2, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair or Unfair?
I’m not sure the best question is whether the point system is fair or unfair. The way the Campaign is designed, its hard to find a lot of fault with the basic logic. I am among the season ticket holders who bristled at being told, point blank, that I would need to donate about $150,000 to keep my seats! After 10 years, that was a shock to the system. However, at face value, the point system seems plausible and I know it has worked at schools like Texas A&M.
The problem I have involves previous inequities and the thought process for launching this initiative during the worst economic downturn in nearly 100 years. I think what the athletic department is struggling with stems from decades of inequity caused by the short-sided decision to grandfather-in donation rates from the 60s, 70s and 80s. While some season ticket holders have been paying $5-6000/year for the “right” to two seats, others paid around $500. So essentially, some donors were subsidizing others — that is truly unfair, and the point system doesn’t significantly change this inequity.
Under the point system, a 30 year donor (at $500/year) and ticket holder would accrue 1500 points, while a 10 year donor (at $5500/year) would accrue just 1000. So, the subsidy persists. Historically, the department should have charged everyone the same rate for donations, depending on seat location. It didn’t, and that is coming back to bite everyone. The Campaign has essentially unmasked years of inequity and it stinks to a lot of donors.
In my opinion, the fair approach would be to require ticket holders to make up the difference in the amount they paid and the amount they were “subsidized.” That would completely level the playing field. However, I’m sure the fall-out from those with grandfathered rates would be enormous. So, I guess the real problem I have with the point system is that it still creates a proportionally unfair advantage based solely upon consecutive years as a donor/ticket holder.
I understand they are trying to create more competition for the seats to maximize revenue, but it is extremely hypocritical when the department has failed to even attempt to adjust these discrepancies for decades. If the department had had any foresight, it would have gradually increased rates over the last 10-20 years for those grandfathered-in to maximize revenues and minimize ticket holder shock and discontent. The department was poorly managed for years and they are now trying to remedy that mismanagement in one fell swoop — and its painful to everyone involved.
The timing of this colossal restructuring, during one of nation’s worst economic downturns, only adds to the pain. Not only will the Campaign struggle with decades-old inequities, it will have to increase donation revenues when almost everyone has scaled back spending. The Campaign could effectively lock out recent grads and those currently struggling for decades — and that doesn’t seem fair. I’m afraid this will attract a certain demographic, essentially making decent-great seats at Pauley the province of well-to-do older people. So, the newly renovated Pauley may be better, but it almost certainly won’t be louder, more energetic or more intimidating.
So, is the point system unfair? On the surface level, not really. However, the Campaign exposes and maintains inequities that have persisted for decades. Given the opportunity to level the playing field and plan for the future, the Campaign for Champions’ approach and timing seems both short-sided and unfair.
My apologies for this epic-length post. I’ve been thinking about this for some time!
by andrewsm78 on Jul 2, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the perspective
I didn’t know that’s how things worked with donations in the past.
by Westwood Wizard on Jul 2, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thoughts here
I can see where the frustration would set in. I, too, have always felt that the grandfathering of contribution rates was a little BS. What’s your take on #3 though? How much does the increased giving of the more recent donors help offset the consecutive years points from #1?
by Tydides on Jul 2, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tydides,
I think that #3 was an effort to bridge the gap between donation duration and overall donation dollars. In my opinion, it doesn’t really go far enough to remedy the past wrongs associated with grandfathering. In my rough estimation, based upon #1-#3, a 30 year donor (at $500/year) would accrue 1500 points — yet only 150 of those points would be derived from financial donations. A 10 year donor (at $5500/year) would accrue 1000 points — 550 from financial donations. That’s still a massive gap in my opinion, especially when you consider that the 10-year donor in this scenario would have given almost 4Xs the money as the 30 year veteran ($55,000 vs. $15,000). Loyalty should be rewarded, but I think this system still places too high of an emphasis on duration without reconciling the years many ticket holders received a relatively free pass.
by andrewsm78 on Jul 2, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew
You should put this up in a separate fanpost. Great perspective and the kind of feedback we are looking for.
by Nestor on Jul 2, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Nestor...
I went ahead and bumped my comments over to a new FanPost. Glad to contribute.
by andrewsm78 on Jul 2, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still A Lot of Uncertainty
I had this system personally explained to me by someone in the athletic department and I still don’t know what is going to happen to me. I have been a season ticket holder for over 25 years and have donated to the athletic fund for probably 10 to 15 years consecutively. As time has gone by, my seats have gradually gotten better and I now sit between the baseline and the north end of Pauley near the top of the middle level. The view is fine from there, although I wouldn’t call them “great” seats by any means. The one thing I do know is that to keep those seats, I am going to have to more than double my annual donation. Whether I will have to donate a bunch of money to the building campaign to keep my right to that location is what is unclear. I await my personalized statement to see where my points stack up against others.
I think it is unlikely that people with worse seats than I have and with fewer points than I have will pony up enough money to jump my position, especially in this economy. The people inclined to donate more money and who are interested in having season tickets probably already have better seats than I do. And I don’t think UCLA basketball season tickets are a particularly hot item right now, even though Coach Howland has done a great job in restoring the program (I am one of those fans “spoiled” by the Wooden era). Attendance last year wasn’t that great. There are a lot of things to do in Los Angeles, and college sports are not as big a deal here as elsewhere. I am excluding $C football from this discussion, as we all know it is more accurately considered a pro sport!
I was told that the point system won’t go into play until the team moves out of Pauley, so I have a year or so to figure out what I will do. I will contribute some money to the building campaign, but only an amount that I feel comfortable with and that won’t be more than a couple of thousand dollars at most.
At some point, and I don’t know if we’ve reached it yet, I will give up my basketball season tickets and either watch on t.v. or buy from scalpers for selected games. It will still be cheaper than making the annual donation. But we’ll have to see how this all plays out, and I don’t think we’ll know for a year or so.
by bruin7982 on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 other major factors that will effect ticket renewals
1) Will the athletic department commit to an out of conference schedule that has more entertaining matchups? I think people will be hard pressed to pay these prices when a third to half of the home games are against teams like Oakland and UC Riverside.
2) There is very little enthusiasm for the Pauley Remodel. They have not sold the vast majority fans on the benefit of the Remodel to people paying to participate in the event. A new arena would have done that by itself. This plan has yet to do that.
Unfortunately, I don’t think 1) will happen, and 2) can’t happen because you cannot prove something that isn’t true.
I think this may end up being a major, major mistake
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jul 2, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm coming around
I’m coming around on my thinking and feel that this plan is basically fair and I have no problem with the athletic depts desire to maximize revenue.
While I love going to UCLA basketball games, at these prices I think I’d rather keep my money and watch the games on TV.
by RealisticBruinFan on Jul 2, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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