EA Sports NCAA Football 2010
NCAA Football 2010 came out today, and I am the type of gamer that likes to have the players names. So if you guys can help and give me the correct depth chart that would be great. Right now they have Craft starting at QB and DJ as starting WR, i thought he left the team. I know that Nestor and the guys do a break down of the depth chart closer to football season, but i just cant wait. Oh and by the way we are a overall C team, our Offense is a B and our Defense is a C, which i think is wrong.
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This is sort of a pet peeve of mine
The NCAA makes money off licensing the teams and unnamed players that are virtually identical to players playing for the teams and the student athletes get zero from their image being used.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jul 14, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions
then it is a good thing
that you might take solace in that those same athletes still get four years of tuition, books, room and board paid for by the university, and that they also possess the freedom to walk away from their exploitation at their discretion.
Add in that they have luxuries like team physicians and dieticians, preferential class scheduling, tutors that travel with them, and star status on a college campus — and really, could there be a better place to have star status? — and I’d say at the end of the day they all come out way ahead.
To insinuate that they are victims is, with all due respect, a stretch.
I didn't say they were victims
they have agreed to play for the team, and they do not get a cent from the revenue the games produce (tickets or television). That is a fair exchange for tuition.
However, expecting them to sign away their image and likelihood without compensation is another thing entirely.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jul 14, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
should the fans be compensated...
…for their likeness being used in the game? I’m semi-joking here, but I don’t feel all that sorry for the players. If they were compensated for their image/likeness being used, wouldn’t they lose their “amateur” status? This is an issue that I still waffle on.
Go Bruins.
The answer is yes, the fans should be compensated
I wrote two long comments on this on May 8 which you can look up if you’re interested. The key statute in California is Civil Code section 3344, which says in part:
“Any person who knowingly uses another’s name, voice, signature, photograph, or likeness, in any manner, on or in products, merchandise, or goods, or for purposes of advertising or selling, or soliciting purchases of, products, merchandise, goods, or services, without such person’s prior consent … shall be liable for any damages sustained by the person or persons injured as a result thereof. In addition, in any action brought under this section, the person who violated the section shall be liable to the injured party or parties in an amount equal to the greater of seven hundred fifty dollars ($750) or the actual damages suffered by him or her as a result of the unauthorized use, and any profits from the unauthorized use that are attributable to the use and are not taken into account in computing the actual damages.”
There was a relatively recent case called Christoff v. Nestle USA, Inc. (2007) 152 Cal. App. 4th 1439. The jury was impressed with plaintiff’s case (although the Court of Appeal was less impressed):
“The jury concluded as follows: (1) Nestlé knowingly used Christoff’s photograph or likeness on the Taster’s Choice labels for commercial purposes without Christoff’s consent; (2) Prior to 2002, Christoff did not know and should not have known or reasonably suspected that his photograph was being used for commercial purposes; (3) Christoff suffered $330,000 in actual damages; (4) The profits attributable to the use of Christoff’s photograph or likeness were $15,305,850; (5) The damages for the common law appropriation claim were $330,000 and for the quantum meruit claim were $15,635,850. The trial court subsequently granted Christoff’s motion for attorney fees. Nestlé appealed from the judgment and the order awarding costs and attorney fees.”
There’s money to be made here, legal brethren. Go sign someone up.
Yes
If your were publically known, and they took your likeness, used your statistics, and then sold that to make money, you should be compensated.
If the video game was just the UCLA team without clearly identifying the UCLA players and using that distiction to sell the game, I would be fine with it.
But as is, it seems without some additional compnsation (that could be additional meals, housing allowance, whatever) to the individuals and teams included in this game, I think the players are getting ripped off.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jul 15, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure EA's lawyers have checked into this
and have said all is OK. But lots of lawyers have looked into lots of things and said all is OK, just before the hammer drops and a jury says it isn’t quite as OK as they thought. The issue is the likeness, I think. If the likeness of a player is used in some game having nothing to do with football, it might be a little more difficult to sell a judge or jury on the fact that that likeness is indeed supposed to be the particular guy. But the context here leaves little to the imagination. There is no No. 14 playing defensive end, for example.
You can’t exploit someone else’s likeness for financial gain. There is a case several years ago called Osmond versus someone. Ken Osmond, the guy who played Eddie Haskell on the Leave it to Beaver show, sued a porn movie company for using the “Eddie Haskell” name in a porn movie, and said it adversely affected him (on his job with the LAPD.) He won some big bucks, showing that you can’t even appropriate someone else’s alter ego for financial gain.
I really think this is worth a shot, plaintiffs lawyers.
Alas, too late Bruin lawyers.
I discussed this with my class action lawyer friend, who told me we were a smidgen too late. I hope this link works.
Not exploitation, but still not fair to use their image.
You can’t put a price on the education that they receive, right? Yes you can, its called tuition! It took me 20k of student loans to get through undergrad. Add to that the costs you listed for docs, dieticians, etc., plus dorms … yes, I lived at home :( …and I still dont think that adds up to the millions that someone doing the same things in the pros is earning. While I wouldn’t label them as victims, I think it’s pretty ridiculous that Prince could throw 4 TDs in the season opener (one can dream, right?!), get a jersey request from his 5 year old cousin in Fresno, and have to turn him down because he can’t afford to buy “his” jersey that is for sale in the UCLA store for $89.99. The NCAA realizes that this is wrong so their justification is, when you are playing NCAA 2010 and throwing TDs with a certain #14, and the #14 jersey that you purchased on campus at the student store to wear on game days in Pasadena during the 09-10 season, isn’t necessarily that of Kevin Prince. I call bullshit.
By the way, here is a roster list for you to use. You would reccommend going to ebay and getting ALL of the rosters. I have been playing since NCAA 95, and I not only hate playing with QB #14 (oh, I wonder who that could be?), but I hate tackling RB #5 too. Plus its only $3. Looks like everyone is making money off this game but the players themselves…unless you play for U$C that is!
Why pay money for rosters?
When you can download them for free from many legitamate fan sites?
Read for a thread on “Operation Sports” NCAA 2010 rosters. They’ve said in the past that the people who charge for rosters are really just taking the free files fans put out there and making a profit off their work.
by Space_Monkey on Jul 14, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Where were you last year!
At least I can say that last year was the only year that I paid for rosters! Thanks for the tip!
Which version did you buy?
I’m thinking about getting the PS/2 version. I haven’t forked over for a PS/3 yet, but I probably will at some point, if for nothing else than the Blu Ray player. The question is, should I wait and get the PS/3 version, or just stick with the old one…
Get the PS3 version.
Even though I have a 360, the next gen graphics make this series worth it.
by Space_Monkey on Jul 14, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You definitely have to pony up and get PS3
The graphics on this game/system are unreal, and as you said, it plays Blue Rays. If you are a gamer and you watch tons of movies, its a no brainer. I’ve had mine since it came out and love every minute of it (although having the Wii would have been fun for my wife and having large parties). I had a friend stay with me a few weeks back who had previously been a Playstation guy since its inception, but opted for the 360 this time around because of the pricetag. He saw how amazing the PS3 was (and he was also tired of losing to me because he wasn’t as familiar with the system as I was) and bought himself one the next day. Far superior than the other systems out there, at least as far as sports games go (thats all I play so thats all I can comment on).
Hey Space Monkey, I tried to download the rosters and there was nothing there. I’m thinking it has something to do with the game being so new so they need more time to complete them. Any success on your end?
I appreciated NBA 2K9 because...
They actually put a lot of effort into maintaining up-to-date rosters and making the team’s statistics relatively accurate. The inaccuracy of this game pains me.
I do not understand the logic behind paying college players.
First off they are Student-Athletes. Students being first. and as students they are receiving a $30,000 a year bonus for playing at UCLA, or any other college for that matter. They receive the catering and attention that most professional athletes receive, personal training, nutritionists, and are frankly being molded to become athletic pre-madonnas.. They are given allowances for their expenses, and they receive a lot of other things that are not exactly discusses openly, though they are found through some loopholes (i.e. Scooters to drive around campus). Not to mention, they are idolized as the “big men” on campus, and are given all these benefits on the Student’s dime, Boosters dime, and Universities dime.
That being said, any compensation given to a school based on the usage of these players I strongly believe should be allocated to other students. As students pay all their fees to go to a First class University (UCLA), students should be rewarded for supporting these athletes, and a lot of their habits.
In conclusion, I guess I am a supporter of imbursments because of our student-athletes, but I believe that money should go to the students who consistently support UCLA athletics, and who would eventually become the people who support the Athletic program in the future.
Hopefully, This make some sense…

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