Brand New Scandal Hits Pete Carroll's Tainted U$C* Program As The Impotent NCAA Looks On
After getting thoroughly humiliated and scooped by other national news outlets last few years on covering U$C*'s scandals, it looks like the LA Times is now finally trying to wade into the word of reporting. Paul Pringle breaks the news of the latest (alleged) rules violation by Pom Pom Carroll at U$C* (HT BruinJD):
USC football Coach Pete Carroll employed a former NFL tactician last season to help with the team's punting and kicking game, an arrangement that may have violated NCAA rules that prohibit consultants from coaching, The Times has learned.
Carroll's action could widen a continuing investigation by the NCAA, the governing body of major college sports, which has been looking at USC football for more than three years and the school's basketball program for the last year. The probe has been examining specific allegations of improper payments to two players as well as the broader question of whether USC has lost "institutional control" of its athletics department.
The new issue involves the employment of Pete Rodriguez, who has coached for several professional franchises. In an interview with The Times, he acknowledged that he attended USC practices, monitored games and offered Carroll behind-the-scenes advice on matters ranging from the needs of individual players to avoiding penalties during punt returns.
[E]xperts contacted by The Times said the type of assistance that Rodriguez described could constitute a serious violation.
"That's coaching," said J. Brent Clark, a onetime NCAA investigator who practices law in Oklahoma, when told of Rodriguez's statements.
"The rules are designed to level the playing field for all institutions regardless of the size of their budgets. It would make no sense for the rich and powerful to be able to compensate coaches with NFL backgrounds outside the coaching-limitation rules."
Also, another way this kind of situation gave U$C* an unfair advantage over other programs:
Clark said Rodriguez's mere presence at practices could have given USC another potentially unfair advantage -- boosting the school's reputation as a gateway to the NFL, a key selling point in recruiting and retaining top talent.
"It said, 'Hey, look what you get when you come to USC -- you get access to the NFL,' " he said.
Here is my prediction on how those guys will try to weasel their way out of this scandal. More after the jump.
Those guys will try to get away with this specific instance of possible rule violation by zeroing in on this provision:The bylaws say teams may retain temporary consultants "to provide in-service training for the coaching staff, but no interaction with student-athletes is permitted."
I am going to guess they are going to go on over drive to show that Rodriguez didn't have any "interaction" with "student-athletes." Then again its a national joke to consider any of Petey's players as "student athletes."
The report from the LA Times also had this interesting nuggget:
Andrew Zimbalist, a Smith College professor who specializes in sports economics, said he was "not surprised" that Carroll turned to Rodriguez, given the pressure on big-time football programs to get a leg up on the competition.
"Whenever you impose a rule that says you can't do what you want to do, that the marketplace can't do its magic, somebody finds a way to twist it or get around it," he said. "I'm sure that the infractions committee at the NCAA will look at it."
Well we are not sure what else the NCAA is looking at this point. Apparently they have been "looking" for years and to date we have heard nothing. And no one here is going to be holding their breath. Pom Pom and his renegades will continue to operate whatever way they want because clearly NCAA rules don't apply to them.
Right now the way these stories keep unfolding from the "most scandalous athletic program of this era" the term lack of institutional control applies more appropriately to a hapless, pathetic, impotent NCAA than the rogue program run by Mike Garrett and Chetey Petey.
GO BRUINS.
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Nothing shocks me about the U$C program anymore.
They will, of course, deny player interaction, even though the comments from this “consultant” belie the fact that he was at practices. Attending practices, watching games, and providing NFL insight is not “training” coaches (why does the highest paid NCAA coach need “training”), it is, pure and simple, coaching. Training coaches sounds more like what happens to graduate assistants or first year assistants at a seminar at a hotel conference room with a slide show or power point presentation. I can’t wait to hear the head in the sand, sanctimonious spin Hermitage (yes, hermit, a la OJ) Hall and U$C bandwaggoner put on this one.
by orlandobruin on Jul 30, 2009 5:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I've read the article. I see 2 smoking guns here . . .
Number one is this quote from the NCAA bylaws, which forbids consultants from “attending practices and meetings involving coaching activities, formulating game plans [and] analyzing video involving the institution’s or opponent’s team.” This “consultant’s” own comments fit squarely into this parameter.
Number two is that the guy allegedly turned down an offer from USD because of his “arrangement” with U$C.
This is great evidence against U$C.
The problem, as most everyone knows, is that third parties with knowledge of this will keep quiet, not wanting to be blackballed in the future. Without subpoena power to question these folks under oath (like the USD coach), the NCAA cannot get additional evidence it needs to screw, glue, and tattoo these schmucks.
The “consultant” will likely back off his comments, claim that they were “taken out of context,” and “clarify” them so there appears to be no violation. This is how U$C “looks into this matter.” Just wait, it will be just like the clarifications that happened with Cheatey Petey’s recruitment of the kid with Bu$h on the phone.
by orlandobruin on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Front Page of the LAT
This story is on the front page of the LAT (not the front page of the sports section). The LAT is the paper I love to hate/bash, so I’ll give credit when and where credit is due. Front page of the paper is obviously a big deal.
Now will someone please wake up the NCAA?
by Barnes2JJ on Jul 30, 2009 8:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NCAA might wake up when
u$c* slips in performance. If they manage to get second in the Pac-10 or at least miss out on a BCS bowl, maybe they will think about action, but I think they are too cowardly to do anything to them when they are on top. They will try to do something just as they slip, though. That way they can still say they did it while they were a top tier team…whatever.
by sponkey21 on Jul 30, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Just Keeps Coming
And why not? As long as NCAA Enforcement continues to sit around with their collective thumbs up their fannies, Cheatie will remain convinced that he is above the law, and will keep on breaking any rule he wants.
by bru79 on Jul 30, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said
“it looks like the LA Times is now finally trying to wade into the world of reporting.”
In much the same way, the NCAA seems to be wading into the world of investigating. No real intent to get wet, mind you. Just posing for photos.
I’m starting to worry that this kitchen-sink approach to u$c might be making the (alleged) investigation too wide. The NCAA has already shown that they are impotent at dealing with specific scandals at $c. Putting all the scandals into one case dilutes the specifics, and gives the NCAA an opening to impose diluted penalties.
I hope I’m wrong about this.
by Bruinut on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
*SNICKER*
“looking”
Carroll’s action could widen a continuing investigation by the NCAA, the governing body of major college sports, which has been looking at USC football for more than three years and the school’s basketball program for the last year.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My favorite retort to SUC fans who think their program is clean
Name the last time SUC reported a potential NCAA violation before the media did?
I have yet to get an answer…
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jul 30, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone See the Follow Up?
Shocking news, Pete Carroll says he did nothing wrong, better yet, the suc compliance department did… ah… something:
Victory or until next year!
by ncrpz2 on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
clearly they didn't violate the rules
Nestor, you said it. SUC can make the case that Rodriguez didn’t have any “interaction” with “student-athletes”, because the majority of the players that suit up for them don’t fit the definition of student athlete.
Let’s face it, SUC is LA’s pro football team playing in the PAC 10. This kinda stuff just makes our gutty little bruins even more fun to root for.
Beat SC, Beat the Cheaters!
Go Bruins
TRM
by G0Bruins on Jul 30, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's get one thing clear
USC’s football program is not going to suffer any sanctions. I repeat USC’s football program is not going to suffer any sanctions.
Why not, you ask?
The NCAA has no subpoena power, no ability to obtain testimony under penalty of perjury. Without that ability, King Petey and his subjects can say whatever they want to the NCAA without any repercussions. The only ways for the NCAA to find a violation are:
(1) a credible whistle blower delivers the goods. But this only happens when someone with knowledge is disgruntled. Like in the Bush case, the guy came forward because Reggie didn’t honor the illegal deal they had struck to represent Bush in exchange for the house and other goodies provided to Bush. Or in the SMU case in the mid 80s, a former player named David Stanley was released from the team and blew the whistle on his $25,000 one-time payment and $750 per month to attend the university. “Trojan for life”, blah blah blah—this is never going to happen.
(2) The university can self-report a violation. Football is a sacred cash cow for USC. They have thus far, not surprisingly, shown an unwillingness to self-report anything with the football program. Instead, they will deny everything until the end of time. Witnesses will go to prison for perjury before USC self-reports anything that will affect Trojan football.
In addition to these factors, USC’s appearance of cooperation with the basketball investigation (by forcing the coach to resign among other things) creates an inference that their failure to provide a smoking gun in the football investigation is because there is not one, because they did nothing wrong.
In the end, the USC basketball team will suffer sanctions, but the football team will continue to fight on, cheat on, and crime on.
by BruinsRule on Jul 30, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish you were wrong,
but I fear you are right.
by Bruinut on Jul 30, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ncaa has no burden of proof
They don’t have to prove you guilty, you have to prove your innocence.
That is how it is set up as a self reporting enterprise.
Maybe they won’t penalize SUC, but they aren’t the government, they don’t have a burden of proof.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jul 30, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't need subpoena power...
The NCAA needs a backbone.
Whatever charter the association schools sign provides the NCAA with all the authority it needs. They do not need to conduct an investigation where the burden of proof is high like in a criminal trial (beyond a reasonable doubt).
So whatever decision they come up with, u$c* is obligated to abide by it. There has been a recent trend of taking the NCAA to court because the school thinks the punishment is too tough. Like in the case of Florida St.—10 sports had scholarships and victories stripped for a self-reported violation. It is too tough, especially when u$c* continues to get away with murder.
Punishment is coming. How I know that is more a question of gut feeling. I think that almost everyone in the country—other than your dyed in the wool TrOJay fanatic—thinks that there is a double standard being applied. When that happens, the NCAA looks foolish. Believe me, the u$c* football program doesn’t make that much money. Look at the recent money tables, they are not number 1. The NCAA will not want to look foolish for very long. They will act. It will be short of the death penalty but it will hopefully be substantial (for the football team too).
I believe this punishment is coming, Why? Because why have an investigation going for 3 years? Isn’t 1 year enough? How about 2? The fact that they are keeping this open while new SCandals break means that they are going to nail these a—holes finally. Otherwise, they would have closed the investigation, meted out a lame punishment and let it all die down.
The only people fooling themselves here are the TrOJays. Their blind loyalty is something funny to watch. Everything that comes up is someone else’s fault. Read their forums and have a laugh on them. After the Nth SCandal I would have felt ashamed but that’s a TrOJay for you.
Troy will fall.
by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
has South Park taught us nothing?
Football coaches with a shady trail of success do not break the rules! They “misinterpret” the rules.
by bruinhoo on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

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