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Good Luck Brian: Dohn Leaving the Daily News

Bumped. I am changing the title of this post to wish Dohn good luck from all of us here on Bruins Nation. We have had our share of disagreement with Dohn. They are well documented and archived here on BN. There are issues when it comes to culture of UCLA athletics and community, Dohn was never in sync with us here on BN and we also had concerns with number of his reports. That said we always appreciated his hard work and he has always been very cordial in our exchanges with him off this blog. We wish him luck. Plus its always nice for a kid to go home. Good luck Brian. GO BRUINS. -N

In a shocking development, UCLA beat writer Brian Dohn is leaving the Daily News. He and his family are moving back to New Jersey:

I began covering UCLA in the summer of 2003, and in the last six years I made some great friends, ticked off some folks and had a bevy of wonderful experiences.
With a lot of excitement looking ahead and some sadness, for what I am leaving behind, I wanted to let everyone know I am leaving the Daily News. My family and I are moving back to New Jersey.
Within the next week and for those interested, I will get word out a about my new gig, which is not UCLA related. Right now is not the correct timing for me to say what it is.
I want to thank everyone for all the great times I had covering UCLA, and the incredible success of this blog. The experiences I had covering UCLA are things I will always remember.

Obviously, all of us who frequent BN had our problems with Dohn. At times he appeared to poorly research the history of UCLA football and had ridiculous expectations for the program. Moreover, he would tease fans about certain recruiting stories, and never would expand on topics that he clearly had more info about. He sometimes came off as a chicken. Many of his opinions were off-base, and it showed during his (in)famous question and answer posts.

But as strictly a beat writer, I always thought Dohn was excellent. His 'Inside UCLA' blog constantly updated us on the latest news and gave us the perspectives of players and coaches. His articles in the newspaper were solidly written and insightful. I for one will miss him. I certainly won't miss some of his opinions, but I will miss his reporting and dedication to covering UCLA. He gave it his all. 

Good luck in your future endeavors, Dohn. 

Sidenote: I will be very interested to see who the Daily News chooses to replace Dohn. I think it would almost be unfair to select Jill Painter because of some of the abuse she has taken while filling in for Dohn on the blog. She deserves better than having to deal with those fools. I am of the opinion that the choice should be someone who is a UCLA alum. What do you guys think?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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I liked Dohn

He gave a great deal of attention to UCLA athletics, which you don’t get from the L.A. Times. I didn’t agree with everything he wrote but that’s just a given whether it be his blog or even here at BN. Hopefully, they’ll bring in someone who will take the job as serious as he did and not some bozo like the Times has for the Bruins.

And yes, I doubt Jill Painter would want to do it. She took excessive abuse for what was really a harmless post and I’m sure losers readers would bring it up every single day.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Aug 3, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fox to chime in in 3...2...1...

Brian Dohn: Great when he’s got the facts, lousy with the opinions. That said, he still ran laps around the SUC Times’ “reporting”.

by Tydides on Aug 3, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What if the there were beat writers like Dohn

and not shills covering the Trojie beat for the local rags? I think the “coverage” would have been a little different last 6 years.

by Nestor on Aug 3, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I'm late, ladies and gents.

I wish Doh! well in his new spot, but more than that, I wish him improvement. We can all stand to improve at our trade, but it never appeared to me that Doh! made any effort in that regard.

I just can’t pass on this, the ultimate irony. “Within the next week and for those interested, I will get word out a about my new gig, which is not UCLA related. Right now is not the correct timing for me to say what it is.” Doh! knows the secret answer to the story, but He Just Can’t Tell Us. In fact, we have to assume that he got the answer to his story from anonymous sources.

Although I wish him well, as I would just about anyone, I will not mourn his departure nor miss him one iota. I have no idea whether his replacement will be better or worse, but I thought Doh! was on the whole a horrible reporter. He would have been a good reporter but he tried to go for the Pulitzer-tinted jugular every time, and had to resort at least in my opinion to the anonymous source to do so.

I’ve got an idea for the Daily News – How about Ryebreadraz as Doh’s replacement.? He’s local. He’s a good writer. He’s enthusiastic. He would be perfect is he would only stop disagreeing with me on certain things.

by Fox 71 on Aug 3, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'oh!n

may have been decent strictly from a beat writer sense, but I certainly won’t miss his blatantly off-base assertions of UCLA lacking history and tradition, being a “basketball school” blah blah blah. Maybe Brian on his trip to Jersey should check out Pat Forde’s article on most prestigious football programs, where UCLA checks in at a very respectable #16, right behind LSU, Georgia and Florida (Rutgers was #101…..no comment necessary).

Hopefully the next UCLA beat writer will actually know a little about UCLA history. Too much to ask?

Bye Bye D’oh

by godblesstyus95 on Aug 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

That’s what grated on me more than anything. He was completely out of touch and off base when it came to being aware of our football history.

by Nestor on Aug 4, 2009 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What irked me the most

regarding Dohn’s reporting was that within the structure of modern online “journalism” he stuck out like a sore thumb. Why did UCLA have to have the “only” self-declared unbiased reporter? The Trojies certainly have the entire traditional media outlets wearing mustard colored sunglasses… Why couldn’t UCLA get one? I cannot count how many times he took the opportunity to tell his readers that he couldn’t give a rat’s ass about UCLA athletics… It was just a job.
Given his lack of enthusiasm for UCLA it is surprising that his blog did as well as it did. Imagine if an eagerly engaged alum comes in and starts to provide useful commentary to the “facts” that Dohn previously dispensed with so much success. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the So.Cal market is starving for UCLA news and well-documented and researched reportage. If nothing else, Brian Dohn at least proved that.

B.F.

by eubruin on Aug 4, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point

I also recall Dohn often proclaiming his lack of personal interest in UCLA’s success. I guess, in a perfect world, all journalists would be objective and just report the news without any favoritism. Admittedly, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if there was one Bruin loving journalist out there to somewhat counter all the slobbering/felating SC* hacks at the LAT.

by Barnes2JJ on Aug 4, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and one more thing

I don’t think I have to remind anyone here which reporter stayed on the sinking U.S.S. Dorrell longer than anyone else.

by godblesstyus95 on Aug 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure?

Streeter not only put up a website defending him to the end but actually had the gall to label the fanbase as racist on said website.

by Tydides on Aug 3, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only Dohn defended Dorrell

He was also gleefully pushing (not so subtly) for Dewayne Walker to take over.

by Nestor on Aug 4, 2009 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps Adam Rose will be interested

I believe he is out of a job at the Times.

by cortneykyler on Aug 3, 2009 8:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've only been reading

him for the last 2 seasons, and even though I know many here didn’t agree with him, I always felt like he was calling it like he saw it. He also seemed like a solid go-to source for particular information about the individual players.

by captainqtp on Aug 3, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Odds are his next gig is Rutgers related

When his blog stopped on Friday, I thought to myself was “Did he go back to New Jersey?”

by Gen2Bruin1987 on Aug 3, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Best coverage of UCLA was by

Brian Dohn. He did a much, MUCH better job covering UCLA football/basketball than any website I know of. I would like someone on this comment section to please give me the name of a reporter that can match (if that is possible) the coverage and insight he provided for UCLA. Especially you Fox 71.

by ubcrluain on Aug 3, 2009 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll co-sign that

As far any reporter from the big newspapers go, Dohn was by far the best in terms of coverage and providing news. People can complain all they want about his opinion, but Dohn’s site was the only one providing daily news about what was going on in UCLA athletics. Without that blog, unless you had knew someone inside the program, news about potential recruits would be unknown.

by LavinRuinedCollege on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two points in rebuttal

First point: Observed and confirmable facts versus secret and unconfirmable facts: I never faulted Doh! as a reporter of facts. His recitation of facts was generally as good as anyone’s, or at least it seemed that way to me. Doh! never seemed to me to be content with just reporting. He always felt he had to be getting the great scoop. To do this, he relied heavily (or so it seemed to me) on anoymous sources. In my opinion, the use of an anonymous source is repugnant. My training and experience has taught me to be skeptical of someone who will tell you what someone else told him, but won’t let you go to the source to verify this. “According to what somone told me, …” doesn’t go to far on the witness stand.

ANYBODY can quote an anonymous source. If what the anonymous source says turns out to be true, and turns out to be true quickly, then that source and the reporter of what the source says gains some credibility. SOME credibility. But simply saying that you have a source doesn’t necessarily prove that you have one. Doh! said things attributable to sources which simply were not true, but he was rarely challenged on it for reasons I never could quite understand.

Try this: According to my sources, Doh! just made things up. Sources told me that he had no information as to who was going to get the Defensive Coordinator position, so he said, and my source is quoting now, “I’ll really fool those guys at UCLA – listen to this: ‘I know who will be named as DC, but I can’t say who it is.’ Let them ponder that.” Another source told me that his inside inforamation that Coach Walker was going to be named head coach at Washington came from the guy in the next cubicle.

I have more sources. These sources tell me that if Doh! didn’t like a particular kid, especially someone trying to get into the school, he would do what he could to screw the kid over, with headlines like “My sources tell me that so and so has character issues” or “i learned from a well-placed insider that so and so can’t get in academically.”

I defy you to tell me that my reporting from my sources differs in even the slightest degree from Doh!‘s reporting of his anonymous sources. I would love to reveal my sources, but I simply can’t. And if you press me it shows that you’re just an imperialist lackey running dog stooge who doesn’t understand that freedom in this country means that a reporter has to be able to quote anonymous sources without fear of reprisal or with out fear of criticism from anyone. So stop riding me about anonymous sources. They’re real, I tell you, they’re real. (Wait a second – tin foil hat is slipping a bit.)

I hope you see my point. We could and did challenge Doh! when we disagreed with the facts as observed by us versus the facts as observed and reported by him. If I recall correctly (and I may not – someone will correct me I’m sure), we took Doh! to task because he quoted CTS throwing a particular player under the bus after a loss, then when CTS realized that it made him look bad, he denied he mentioned the kid by name, and Doh! changed his post-game quotes to delete the reference to the kid’s name. Alas, Doh!’s initial reporting did not get pulled down quickly enough and it was saved here.

We could not by definition challenge the accuracy’s quoting of his anonymous sources. We could not determine whether those anonymous sources were in a position to have first hand knowledge of the facts they allegedly related to Doh!. We do not know whether Doh! screened the credibility of the sources he would not name, and of course we did not have the ability to do that sort of screening ourselved. Do you suppose a comment on Obama’s health care proposal would be different depending on if you were a Republican insider or a Democrat insider? But when the source is anonymous, we don’t know if the source has an agenda, and is just trying to use Doh! to get his point publicized.

I think it is a bad sign when the written word is accepted as Gospel without challenge, and I was a little disappointed with my Bruin brothers and sisters for just accepting what Doh! had to say. I guess I assigned the same credibility to Doh! as I do to Cheatie Petie.

That’s my take on Doh! and I will stick by it until someone cn demonstrate that I’m wrong. In that regard, why has not even one of his sources stepped up and said “Hey, remember that story from three years ago? I was the source, and now I’ll tell all.” Funny how in the history of mankind only one anonymous source has been revealed, namely the famous Deep Throat. But equally funny, I don’t think anyone ever doubted the existence of that source (maybe his bias or agenda, but never his existence.) I question the existence of Doh!’s sources.

Second point: I perceive a very un-Bruin-like lowering of standards. The points seem to be that Doh! should not have been the subject of so much criticism (or at least criticism from me) because he was the best of the reporters covering UCLA. Shame on you, if that is indeed what you are saying. The reporters here at the BN are head and shoulders above Doh!. And if they say something, they have to defend it. Doh! never once had to measure up to the standards that exist here.

Perhaps as important, how difficult is it to be the best reporter covering UCLA. I give my disclaimer now – I don’t live in Southern California, and I cancelled my subscription to the fishwrap before most of you were born. I don’t read what the local reporters write about UCLA other than what’s quoted here. I am aware of some of the writers, like Diane Pucin and Bill Plaschke and What’s his name Simers. I have seen what they write, and it’s many cases simply drivel. Saying that Doh! was at the top of this heap reminds me of Gomer Pyle’s compliment to a date: “Fer a big ol’ fat girl, you don’t sweat too much.”

For those Doh! defenders, I ask this question. If you were going to start a sports page for Southern California sports, would you hire Doh!? If so, let me ask you explain using the word that I don’t recall ever seeing Doh! use – because. You would hire Doh! because ….. I would be interested. I wouldn’t hire Doh! But if you did hire him, would you allow him to quote anonymous sources? If so, explain the “because” of that, too.

Or not. You don’t have to explain your position. I recognize that many think Doh! was a great reporter, and his departure will leave a gap. I don’t, but will have to rely on anonymous sources to explain why.

by Fox 71 on Aug 4, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't try to demonstrate you are wrong, but...

I still need the name of a reporter that is better (or as good) than Mr. Dohn.

When you have hundreds of people on Dohn’s website wishing him well, USC fans wishing they had him over Scott Wolf (a USC alum, as you all know), reporters from foxnews.com (Lisa Horne) LBPT (Bob Keisser) and ESPN’s Ted Miller (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/pac10/0-11-7/UCLA-coverage-takes-a-hit.html) having their utmost respect for him…it goes to show that there will be a HUGE hole in reporting UCLA basketball/football. He was the best.

by ubcrluain on Aug 4, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Please try to demonstrate that I'm wrong

I don’t have to demonstrate anything. I remain convinced that Doh! made up sources. My comments on Doh! go back a long time, something you would probably not be aware of given that you just signed up for the BN. Over time, I think I have been totally fair to Doh!. When he writes on something that many people are watching, like a game, he is accurate. When he reports what someone says, someone like CTS (that’s Coach Toledo’s successor, a person whose name I cannot bring myself to type), and then changes the quote to make it more palatable to the speaker, then I have a problem. There is no way to argue about anonymous sources. IDoh! claims to have them, and he qoutes from them all the time. He has never demonstrated to my satisfaction that those sources actually exist. In fact, some of the scoops that his anonymous sources have given him have proven to be wrong, so I am unwilling to assume that those sources even exist. So why don’t you demonstrate that I’m wrong about that. Identify one or two of those sources. Oh wait. You can’t. No one can. That’s because they’re anonymous.

Your second paragraph is a monumental non sequitur. So there are lots of people wishing him well. What does that prove? That he is a good reporter? No, it just proves that he’s well-liked. We’ve all known well-liked guys who were inept. We had one in charge of our football program for five years. In fact, it absolutely does not go to show that there will be a huge hole in any reporting. What it goes to show is that there may be a reduction in the number of anonymous sources being quoted.

Question, ubcrluain. Why did you sign up in the BN? Just to stick up for Doh!. There’s nothing wrong with that, of course. But I wonder why you would bother. You don’t have to answer. I don’t really care. And I have yet to have demonstrated any reason why I should change my opinon of Doh!.

by Fox 71 on Aug 4, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you claim he doesn't have any sources..

so it only takes 1 to prove you wrong, right?

When Hasiak committed to Cal, Dohn wrote that UCLA had an “ace in the hole”, according to ‘sources’. He revealed what this was after Hasiak signed w/ UCLA (hiring intern Vae Tata as a full time assistant for a couple of weeks to do recruiting in Hawaii). But I guess he just made that up?

or how about when he wrote that Taniela Maka still have work to do academically, according to ‘sources’. Now Maka isn’t enrolling until at least January. Looks like his crystal ball came through on that one, since he has no sources.

But hey, you can keep on pretending he doesn’t have any sources if you want.

by pxcasey on Aug 5, 2009 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about his sources that said Walker was going to Washington?

You can show me his accurate predictions and I can show you his inaccurate predictions, but neither one of us can show any of his sources because he didn’t name them because they were anonymous. You accuse me of “pretending he doesn’t have any sources” but it seems to me that you are guilty of “pretending” exactly the opposite. In my opinion, skepticism of an anonymous quote is a more reasonable mindset than acceptance of an anonymous quote. If that’s “pretending” then I guess I’m guilty.

This is a real question, not an in your face question. At what point did you come to accept Doh!‘s statements attributable to anonymous sources as truthful and accurate? And why? I can’t point to exactly when I came to the opposite conclusion, but I can tell you that I had reached that conclusion already when Doh! solemnly announced that his sources had Coach Walker taking the job at Washington. If I recall correctly, he was in the midst of either touting or predicting Coach Walker for the head coaching position at UCLA. Anyway, I would be interested in learing how your mental process worked.

To return to the fight for a second, I don’t think I ever said that all of his sources were anonymous. In fact many times he quoted people and actually identified the people he quoted. I never challenged him on that, and in fact I pointed that out. But by definition you cannot demonstrate the existence of an anonymous source by pointing to an accurate prediction. It just doesn’t work that way. It can’t. The existence of an accurate prediction only demonstrates some insight and intellect. Or to put it the way my golfing buddies put it when I sink a lengthy putt, “Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.” Another way to look at it is that people often witn the lottery without having an anonymous source tell them what the winning numbers are.

I’’m pretty confident that I will go to my grave without understanding why Doh! has so many defenders. I don’t think he deserves it, but that’s just my opinion.

by Fox 71 on Aug 5, 2009 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sound like someone

who would serenade Lavin just because he got your school to 5 Steve-16s.

Dohn did a better job of “covering” UCLA sports than his peers in LA. The problem is that his peers included toolbags like Adam Rose. So that’s really not that much. Compared to his predecessors at the Daily News which included reporters such as John Wilner and Rob Miech, Dohn was mediocre.

Clearly our standards of what we expect from reporters are very different. Might want to take that mediocre expectations somewhere else. Not here.

by Nestor on Aug 4, 2009 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Dohn's biggest fault

was he couldn’t distinguish between his opinion and fact in his blog. He thought he wasn’t giving opinion, but in fact much of what he considered fact was opinion.

That being said, his straight reporting was very, very good I thought. He did a fantastic job of getting stories to the paper, which is what he was hired for.

i will give him some slack with the blog, because a lot of traditional media types have a hard time understanding blogging.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Aug 4, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

You got me, I love Steve Lavin. I even made my nickname to support him.

But yes, you’re right, my opinion of Dohn is partly based on his peers. But that’s just how it is now with the S.C. L.A. Times. I read his news about potential recruits, current players, and I enjoyed them because I wouldn’t find it anywhere else. I never said he was as good as, say, Bill Plaschke…

by LavinRuinedCollege on Aug 4, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was sarcasm

about Plaschke. Nobody bring out the flamethrowers on me.

Nestor, I think I agree with you about Dohn. I just choose to look at it in a different perspective. I can accept mediocrity from the Daily News (or any other mass media) but don’t take it to mean I can accept mediocrity from UCLA athletics (re: Lavin).

by LavinRuinedCollege on Aug 4, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While Dohn had his faults, I have to agree he was a lot better than any other UCLA reporter out there. Hands down. I can’t comment on past writers, but Dohn was very good at what he did. He didn’t wear the bruin-blue tinted glasses like a lot of us do & I think that’s great for a reporter. I’m not sure if I want a UCLA grad reporting on UCLA. I know I’d be slightly biased if that were the case and do we really wanna be like USC & their douchebag reporters?

by impaulv on Aug 4, 2009 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah, cause then the DN might make them put up with the BS from the trolls.

by impaulv on Aug 4, 2009 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

brian got me up in the morning and involved in UCLA BRUIN FOOTBALL

you did good brian THANK YOU!

BRUINCHEELEARDER,. CLASS OF 68/69-69/70

by bruincheerleader on Aug 4, 2009 4:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We all know who is going to replace him:

Scott Wolf.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Aug 4, 2009 6:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GL Brian

What everyone said is true. There were things that annoyed me (ie disrespecting our football history) but he was persistent in getting info for us. Whether it be recruiting or other tid bits within the program. For that, I applaud his efforts because the tools that pose as writers locally, can’t even sniff his crotch. I don’t think there will be as much info because the contacts will be sizing up the new person. For a recruiting junkie like me, that won’t be good news.

by BlueReign on Aug 4, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is he going to be replaced?

Given the state of the newspaper industry, I think we have to worry more about if he’s going to be replaced rather than by who.

That said, I wish Brian well in his next gig.

by gilbert on Aug 4, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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