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UCLA Football Is Not There Yet ...

At least not yet in terms of competing for a Pac-10 championship. However, we are moving in the right direction. A fairly pin point assessment in the OC Register today:

Are the Bruins ready to compete for a Pac-10 Championship?

Probably not. But they do seem to be moving in the right direction. One big step in that progression would be to end their upcoming season in a bowl game.

Bruins head coach Rick Neuheisel was recently asked what it would take for UCLA to break through that wall of top-echelon teams, specifically USC.

"Every program is having the same conversation," he said. "Oregon State (the only team to beat USC last season) probably has that conversation emphatically, having had success. But the point of it is that everybody has to take care of their own ship."

The Bruins’ ship to success started on the ground floor. Neuheisel and his coaching staff had to get the right players into the program. Now is the development stage.

"I know we’ve proven we can recruit with them, and I believe we will continue to recruit with them," Neuheisel said of the Trojans. "I believe, based on the resumes of my coaching staff and what I know about them, having spent a year with them that we can coach with them.

"Now the question is just developing our team to where we are as developed as they are. We’re not there yet. We can’t run on the field with those guys and say you’re there yet. Ultimately, that’s where we need to still catch up. How quickly that happens, I hope it doesn’t take very long."

Hope it doesn't take that long either. However, it is still going to take a lot of patience on our part this season. I am going to bet we are going to have some heartbreaks and tough moments this year but the key will be to keep moving forward and most importantly keep improving through the season.

If we can make into the bowl game we will take another step towards where we really want to be: watching our team play on or after January 1st.

GO BRUINS.

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Hey how about another spirited back and forth discussion

on expectations vs. predictions? ;-)

For the record, I expect 6 wins, but predict 8. I’ve just got a feeling….

by godblesstyus95 on Aug 7, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions  

lol

You can never get enough of that. And I am almost there with you. I expect 6 and I predict … well I have a feeling too but we will just leave it at that.

by Nestor on Aug 7, 2009 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

8 is not unreasonable.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Aug 8, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have absolutely no idea what to expect this season

I could see the Bruins putting it all together and winning 8 or 9, including the game against the boys from across town. I could also see all the freshmen -especially Prince and the OL – being a year away from being where they need to be and this team only winning 3 or 4. I just have no clue.

by insomniacslounge on Aug 8, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

aren’t you glad I took the time to log in so I could write that I have no clue? Great contribution on my part.

:)

by insomniacslounge on Aug 8, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got a great laugh out of that,

although I share your cluelessness in regards to this season. Who knows – we’ve got the talent, the coaching, and the setting for a great campaign. Now it is simply a matter of performance. Who knows what will happen – that is what makes it so exciting.

B.F.

by eubruin on Aug 9, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really impossible to predict

when you know a few good or bad breaks here and there can be the difference between a 4 or 5 win season and a 7 or 8 win season.

Safe to say we aren’t dominant enough to confidently predict 9 or more wins and an upper tier bowl game. I think it’s also safe to say that we will be better than our 4-8 2008 campaign. Somewhere in between seems about right, with a slight lean to the higher side given (what appears to be) a more manageable schedule compared to last year.

We will probably have a couple of cheap wins this year, where a lucky bounce or call gives us a W when we didn’t deserve one, and we can probably expect a couple of tough losses too, where we played well enough to win, but given our relative youth and inexperience, we couldn’t quite close the door.

And don’t forget, the Pac10 has the best refs in the world! LOL

Exactly how it turns out is anyone’s guess

by godblesstyus95 on Aug 9, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

strong conviction on 7 or more wins

i really believe we are going to look back at 2008 and be shocked at how anomalous it really was. I dont expect anything near as dramatic as the sell your soul to satan turnaround of sc coming out of 2001 but i think most people will be shocked at the level of improvement. Its not a championship team but its competive athletically and will be better coached than most. I just read that sc was the only PAC-10 school to not finish in the top 10 during 1992-2001, they were that bad. UCLA will improve just as much (academics and ethics adjusted, with no lien on our integrity or souls, of course)

by bruinforlife on Aug 7, 2009 7:10 AM PDT reply actions  

And we wouldn't want it any other way, right?

I cannot count how many times I have thought about the advantages the Academic side of u$c* gained from their successful athletics. I was astonished to witness the fashion in which they were able to parlay on-the-field success into professorships and institute grants. Yet every time I did so, I quickly realized that it was only a matter of time before the cards would come crashing down. High to fly, far to fall (Danish proverb there for you).

And when your house is built on lies and PR stunts, it is a matter of years, not decades, before it all comes tumbling down. We are lucky to have a head coach who is personally invested in our program. CRN shares a feeling of ownership that only comes with a BA or BS from the greatest University in the world. This is his alma mater as much as it is ours, and as a consequence I do not fear that he will choose the shortest route or way of least resistance. He knows that UCLA football will persist even when he is gone, and his interest and passion for the program will not end once the pay checks stop coming. That is the tremendous upside that we have with CRN. He truly is one of us.

B.F.

by eubruin on Aug 7, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

USC vs UCLA Academics

Eubruin,

I agree with your observations, but also note that the greatest advancement in academic at USC came during the 1990s when their football team was regularly trounced.

In a simple comparison of USC vs. UCLA, academics, however, shows the trojans still way behind the bruins in almost every category:

Nobel laureates – UCLA 10, USC only.

Fields Medal winners – UCLA one, USC zero.

National Medal of Science winners – UCLA 10, USC two.

Rhodes Scholars – UCLA 11, USC 9.

International prestige:

Academic Ranking of World Universities – UCLA is rated 13th and USC is at 50th.

Times Higher Education of London – UCLA is ranked 30th and USC is ranked 119th.

U.S. News and World Report rankings of programs:

Medical school – UCLA 11th, USC 39th.

Law school – UCLA 15th, USC 18th.

MBA program – UCLA 14th, USC 20th.

Education – UCLA 5th, USC 22nd.

Mathematics – UCLA 12th, USC 59th. (Maybe this explains why they can’t do the math.)

Computer Science – UCLA 13th, USC 20th.

Psychology – UCLA 3rd, USC 40th.

Biological Sciences – UCLA 22nd, USC 89th.

Political Science – UCLA 11th, USC not ranked.

Economics – UCLA 14th, USC 50th.

Well, the list goes on and on.

Go Bruins.

by Chicago Bruin on Aug 7, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I think I would have to add a category here

Blogster Research – UCLA 1st, just$c* not ranked. Good job by Chicago Bruin.

I don’t spend any appreciable time at just$c* sites, but we all see them here from time to time. The only lists like this that they bring to the table is “well, you can’t believe him because he’s a felon and because he’s got a book deal, but you should overlook the fact that he’s a felon when you ask us why was he given unfettered access to the locker rooms, and I’ll keep going with this sort of argument forever, and will never address whether the message brought by the messenger is indeed true, blah, blah, blah.”

And speaking of lists, isn’t it about time for the annual update of the just$c* rap sheet?

by Fox 71 on Aug 8, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you.

I would love to see the updated rap sheet.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Aug 8, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phenomenal list, thank you Chicago.

I must admit that I wasn’t in the States during the ’90’s and thus my perspective of the Trojie ‘upswing’ is limited to the 2000’s. I apologize for the error.

What strikes me, however, as incredibly amusing is that the Trojie propaganda department actually manages to convince their students of their academic superiority. While speaking with a group of USC alums at dinner I actually had to blackberry the USNWR MBA rankings in order to convince them that Anderson School was ranked higher than their Marshall program.
Not that it really matters since the USNWR’s are, in my opinion, entirely useless when attempting to judge the quality of an education. But the point still stands – I find it appalling that a school would try to market itself to its own students in a way that is outright false.

B.F.

by eubruin on Aug 8, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am from the camp that

views sc’s students and alumni separately from the overall institution; in this instance I differentiate the parts from the whole. Consequently, yes it does surprise me when I witness intelligent and otherwise observant people – whose opinion I respect based on my relationship with them – further a position that is so clearly fabricated. The thing is Fox, they really do convince their students and alumni that their school is first rate academically – both graduate and undergraduate. Delusional: Yes. Effective in boosting rankings, donations, etc: Yes. And therein lies my real problem with sc, they sell and profit from lies.

B.F.

by eubruin on Aug 8, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trojan cheating?

I left one comparison off the list. Engineering – USC 7th, UCLA 14th. I had to remove it when I found out that USC give false information regarding ranking for their engineering department (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/08/usc ). This question is, is cheating inherent in the USC system as exemplified by their sports programs? Perhaps, this is part of being in the “Trojan Family.”

by Chicago Bruin on Aug 8, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

more on the engineering thing

I think that those rankings are for graduate school, and that our undergrad is ranked higher. Anywho, my main point is that if you look at $c’s numbers (gpa and GRE scores) they are insanely low compared to all the other ones ranked in the top-15. we definitely got them beat in that respect. additionally, their admission rate for grad school is really high.

by maccabita4life on Aug 9, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, just so they won't accuse us of cherry-picking

(which they will anyway) how are the film schools rated?

by bru79 on Aug 9, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

After poking around the interwebs I haven't been

able to find a USNWR ranking for film schools. However, when combining data points from various fora it seems that the list goes NYU, usc, and UCLA as the top-3. This is congruent with the overall opinion I had of the programs while living in LA.
In case it has any interest, Wikipedia added the following:
“directors Francis Ford Coppola (UCLA Film School, MFA film directing), Martin Scorsese (NYU Film School, MFA film directing) and George Lucas (USC Film School, BA film directing) graduated from prestigious film schools.”

B.F.

by eubruin on Aug 9, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Additional statistics...

A further inquiry provided the following tidbit of information:
“According to the Princeton Review/Gourman Report, the undergraduate programs in theater, film, and television are ranked first out of 500 nationally, while the graduate programs are usually found within the top 3, according to the US News and World Report.”

All of this, however, should be taken with a grain of salt. I cannot express how many times I have found the rankings to be so far off base when you actually look at the data utilized to construct them. As a general indicator of prestige they may have some value, but when it comes to actually providing any guidance as to how one’s experience will be at any given school, I consider them total bunk.

B.F.

by eubruin on Aug 9, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Film schools

I could not find film schools in the most recent USNWR rankings. I did find this from USNWR 2001. (http://whichuniversitybest.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-film-school-ranking.html)

by Chicago Bruin on Aug 9, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

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