Interesting WWL Article On Dragovic
WWL's Ramona Shellburne (who I guess also writes for Daily News) has an interesting piece on Nikola Dragovic. The piece seems to confirm why Howland and Dragovic have developed a special bond over how Howland went out of his way to defend the Bruin forward:
When he was suspended last year after an incident with a former girlfriend -- no charges were filed, although the city attorney's office reserved the right to revisit the case for as long as a year -- it was Howland who stood behind him.
That meant a lot to Dragovic, a kid who said goodbye to his family and country nine time zones away to play for the Bruins.
This fall, when Dragovic was arrested on an assault charge after an incident at a concert in Hollywood, Howland again supported him.
He suspended him for two games while the school conducted an initial investigation, but reinstated him soon afterward, allowing him to play his senior year while his legal matters played out in court.
Apparently it was Howland's loyalty to Dragovic that convinced him to stay. The piece also confirms many of us already kind of knew: Dragovic never cared about playing defense:
"When I came here, I had a lot of things to learn," he said. "It was really different and difficult because I never really played defense before. Back home, I would just score 40 and the guy I was guarding scored 30, we would win and I was fine, nobody would ask me anything.
"But obviously it was a part of my game that I had to improve, so I'm really glad I came here."
Well I will concede that his defense now is little better than what we saw from him in his first two seasons (and I think I have made that point before here on BN). Question in my mind is whether it is good enough and more importantly whether we can get more out of other guys if they get enough time on the court. Lastly, the article had the following quotes from Dragovic on that "pass" to Nelson:
"Coach knows what I do, and sometimes he doesn't like it," Dragovic joked, when asked about that pass to Nelson.
"I wasn't trying to be fancy. It's just that the [defender] gambled and he [Nelson] was open, so I threw it to him expecting he'd dunk it, not get fouled."
In other words he is telling the outside world to deal with who he is. As I said in in last comment in that passionate discussion during our post game thread, I hope Dragovic shows some consistent and shut up critics like yours truly. I will gladly eat crow. Moreover, I think Howland has earned enough room for us to defer to his judgment given his track record over the years. Still, I find myself scratching my head whenever I watch this kid play.
GO BRUINS.
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To say I scratch my head while watching ND play would be an understatement,
and I quite obviously lost my cool after witnessing that around the back pass, which I regret. But I’m committed to trusting CBH’s opinion, and if he stands by the guy, then so do I, and I guess that’s the best I can do as Bruin fan.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
in fairness
from reading the article it sounds like “The Pass” was deemed by CBH to be a ‘numbskull’ play, so you and CBH seem to be on the same wavelength there :-)
If there were an official BN lexicon I would recommend substituting ‘numbskull’ for ‘boneheaded’ in all future posts describing dumb plays by ND, out of deference to CBH’s opinion on vocabulary (which I am committed to trusting…)
About that pass
I wasn’t around for the game time thread yesterday so I didn’t get a chance to defend that play when it happened but I didn’t see anything wrong with it. Anyone who has played ball knows that sometimes you gotta take what the defense gives you. Sometimes that means a behind the back dribble, sometimes that means a reverse layup, sometimes that means a spin move and sometimes that means a behind the back pass. All of the aformentioned plays can look risky but they’re only really risky if the player is making that play just for the sake of being flashy aka forcing it. Aside from that, Drago made the pass because RN looked to be open for an easy dunk/layup. I’ll take a potential And 1 dunk from a bulky forward in that situation all day.
In my opinion
a half court around the back pass with a trap coming your way is always risky, but to his credit, he made the play. I think a lot of Rucker Park locals might agree that that was the best play to make, but if I’m coaching(not that I’m in any way qualified), I’m in Drago’s ear telling him not to take that risk up 2 pt.s in the closing seconds, and to take the foul, because he is a better free throw shooter than Reeves. Just my opinion though.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
actually
If it looked like they were going to be able to trap ND near the sideline, I am more in favor of him making the pass than I was at the time. My recollection of the play was that if he held onto the ball they would pretty much be forced to foul him, but if there was actually a danger of him being trapped on the sideline and stripped (a la our epic tourney win over Gonzaga), then getting the ball ahead to a player in position to make his way to the basket and either score or be fouled has a little more merit…
New Year’s resolution: I am going on ND moratorium. No more posts from me commenting on anything relating to his play and plays until February.
haha good idea
he’s honestly been one of the most polarizing athletes in recent years. For me, its almost like an addiction to one of those Gossip magazines. I don’t want to talk about it and get hung up on his play anymore, and I’m just as tired of this discussion as the next guy, but sometimes I just can’t help myself. I’m going to try and lay off this Drago discussion as well, I guess I needed a new years resolution anyway : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Change of release point
Not to relive my glory days, but when I was younger and still had game, I had a play similar to NDs. I got a rebound and started a fast break. I had a teammate leaking out ahead of me. I jumped to pass (admittedly something I shouldnt have done) but a taller opponent jumped at me to take away the outlet pass. The only alternative was to throw a behind the back pass as hard as I could (it got there and we got the layup). Everyone thought I was hot dogging it, but really it was either that or get a turnover.
Now if I remember ND’s situation correctly, there was a defender running at him from the front. If he threw a normal chest pass, the defender could have picked it off. But by changing the point of release of the pass, he was able to get the pass to RN.
in your situation though,
you had to make the pass to avoid the travel, as you had left your feet. Drag simply could have held the ball and taken the foul, as the clock was running down and ASU had to stop it. I really lost my cool there because I felt he had chosen to make a “hot dog” pass, when a pass wasnt necessary at all. Also the result, was RN at line vs. the better free throw shooting ND. And, if I’m not mistaken, RN missed went on to miss one or both of the free throws, but I guess thats aside from the point.
And I’m sorry if I’m coming off as overly stubborn on this point, I’m actually enjoying the back and forth debate on this play, but if I’m just beating a dead horse, please feel free to stop me lol.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Interesting that ND is the only one being analyzed on that play
Immediately, in the game day thread I said that the pass was appropriate because of the defender on him.
No one criticized RN for not throwing down the dunk and making it. Under that circumstance, if he had made the dunk, missing the “and 1” would have meant nothing.
Ollie, after my comment in the thread, you pointed out that ND should have simply kept the ball and taken the foul because he is the better foul shooter; I backed off and agreed — sounded right to me (but I then knew the outcome of RN’s play and foul shots).
Now, others point out that he may have been trapped and/or stripped and the pass might have been essential — which was my initial position.
Hmm, good point.
So, are we criticizing ND because in the heat of the moment, with no time to be a second guesser, and without knowing that RN would not throw down the dunk, he decided to pass?
Easy to analyze the crap out of this with hindsight and time.
He had to make a decision quickly.
And, it was a beautiful pass.
sjh
PS. And, where is the discussion about how our golden bull, RN, couldn’t go strong enough to the hoop to take advantage of it?
I’m not criticizing RN in any way. I like him and his game and don’t fault him, in any way, for missing. Just pointing out that the criticism of some seems pre-ordained — even on a good play, while others are given the benefit of the doubt.
sjh
Nelson is a freshman, Dragovic is a senior
There is a HUGE difference. One has lot to learn and other shouldn’t be playing like a freshman at this point.
It's called situational awareness
If you want to get snarky I can also retort about Dragovic’s “shooting” ability and exactly what he knew before he came to Westwood. Nelson made a mistake in not the dunking the ball. I will be just as hard on him as I am on Dragovic if he is making the same mistake when he is an upperclassman in Westwood. After 4 years of Howland, Dragovic should have had the situational awareness of holding on to that freaking ball and getting fouled so that he could go to the FT line.
Yes it was too snarky
Thought about it when I was on the treadmill and came back here to call myself out for bad attitude.
I could have said the same thing in a better way.
sjh
Here's hoping he has a great game today
one we can all celebrate.
If he’s not having one, I’m hoping TH is healthy enough to sub in.
Hard to realize the game is in an hour — and it will be noon here. 10 in Westwood? What are they thinking?
sjh
in fairness....
that was a HARD foul. if it wasn’t a must-foul situation it probably would’ve been an intentional/flagrant. He probably could’ve pumped, let Jarren fly by, then dunked. But since he went up right away, that would’ve been a hell of a finish.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 2, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
your right, hindsight is always 20/20
which does make it a it easier for me to sit here and say he should have held the ball, and if nelson had thrown it down, we’re probably not even having this discussion anymore.
In my mind though, the difference is that RN made a mistake making a smart play, and Drago made a play that was, in my mind, very unnecessary and risky in that situation. The latter will upset me much more every time.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Bigger picture
This is a very good article and it highlights what I think is the base of the frustration with ND — he came here to learn some D and apparently hasn’t.
IIRC- when ND was being recruited there was some thought he go pro, directly — that he had that skill base.
In part, I think he came here because he knew that he had never really played D and understood that he would need to if he wanted to become a NBA player (not that D is at the top of their requirements but it is becoming more of a factor in hiring decisions.)
In my mind, the question is why he hasn’t become a better defender. And, I suppose the answer has something to do with the fact that he is too slow to play CBH man D. The zone suits him better.
It’s not that he cannot learn. He’s become a better rebounder, has developed some inside game, and his passes are much better (yes, including the disputed behind the back pass).
Good article and worth reading.
sjh
Some people scratch their heads, I bang mine down on the table...
… when ND has a ‘senior’ moment.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

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