Sunday TrOJan Schadenfreude : Thoughts On Coaching Candidates & Other Notes
Let's shift our our attention back to football. Shall we?
Cheatey Petey at this point is all but gone. Don't think we have to wait for a press conference at this point to really heat up the discussions on his successor over at South Central. Even if this turns out to be another Urban Meyeresque media stunt, it's not going to matter much. It has gone way too far and the damage in terms of loss of credibility has been done in the recruiting circles (plus there was the priceless dig from Sanchez to top it all off).
So yeah here were the names we threw out on Friday:
- Mike Riley (Oregon State Beavers)
- Jeff Fisher (Tennessee Titans)
- Jack Del Rio (Jacksonville Jaguars)
Looks like those names are in play. I think there are few key factors that we have to keep an eye on:
- Will Mike Garrett, who has been thoroughly clowned from all angles will play a pivotal part in the hiring decision. He is damaged goods at this point. It will be interesting to see how much influence he will have in this process since the Trojie administration seems to be in total disarray (IIRC President Sample is stepping down this year). So something to keep an eye on there. Will the next guy really want to come in as "Mike's guy" with the understanding that Mikey is not going to be around?
- Next guy should also be doing some due diligence before taking on this job. This means through conversation with NCAA and Pac-10 officials before committing 4 or 5 years of your lives to baby sitting bunch of (alleged) minor league football players who have a tendency to get on the police blotter.
- No matter who takes over as the next head coach he will be held to the Cheatey Petey standard of ((allegedly)bought and paid for) excellence by a delusional Trojie "fanbase." I think it is going to be lot easier to be the head coach who follows the guy who follows Petey. So if a young and successful head coach is smart enough, he would be looking to take over after Petey's successor crashes and burns in Heritage Hall.
So with those factors in mind I wonder if someone like Mike Riley would really take the job. More on this and other notes on coaching candidates (including a familiar face) after the jump.
It looks like Oregon State AD Bob DeCorolis is already working on a lifetime K for Mike Riley:Again, USC hasn't yet formally asked to talk with Riley. And Riley and DeCarolis haven't yet talked about the possibilities, either. They've only exchanged messages. But DeCarolis said he wanted to be proactive in the same manner he did with baseball coach Pat Casey when Notre Dame chased him.
"Mike's said he wants to be the Joe Paterno of Oregon State," DeCarolis said. "So we'll put something together to make (his contract) a lifetime deal."
I'm sure DeCarolis and Beavers fans would love nothing more than to think of Riley three decades from now, in his 80s, calling plays from the coaches box. Or addressing the media postgame, cranky from being asked when he's going to hang it up. A lifetime deal is a lifetime deal, and I can't say I blame DeCarolis, who has worked miracles on a shoestring budget at OSU, for trying to get in front of the armored car that is the USC athletic department.
I wouldn't blame Riley, either, if he Googles "USC" and "Reggie Bush" to see if Carroll was running to Seattle to get away from what could be the hangover of serious NCAA sanctions for USC after the former running back allegedly accepted cash, gifts and free housing from California businessmen who hoped to make money from Bush after he turned pro.
The businessmen in Corvallis just want to give high-fives.
The rumors are already out (on message boards) that Rile has already talked to Pac-10 officials and based on what he has heard he will most likely turn down the Trojan gig. Again nothing confirmed but rumors at this points.
I can see Jack Del Rio and Jeff Fischer being real possibilites. Del Rio hasn't been doing so hot over at Jacksonville. So he might be looking for a fresh start. Same with Jeff Fischer (although I imagine he is really well liked by the Titans). Meanwhile, there are couple of other names to think about: Herm Edwards (the former Jets, Chiefs head coach) and you ready for this: DeWayne Walker?
Joel Thurman from Arrowhead Pride (SBN's Chiefs blog) has already linked up Edwards as a possibility. I think DeWayne Walker makes sense as a possible desperation choice (for both parties involved). Walker hasn't been doing so hot in his new gig and the Trojies might have to look to him as 5th or 6th choice if all of their top choices don't want to go anywhere near possible looming sanctions. From ESPN:
DeWayne Walker, New Mexico State: Walker would be a terrific fit because of his deep ties, not only to the USC program, but to recruiting the Los Angeles area, which is one of the nation's richest in terms of high school talent. Walker is well-respected by players and coaches and that's important when you are talking about recruiting.
That would be something (and kind of delicious).
Well it is going to be kind of fun to see how this drama unfolds next few weeks. Seems like it happened at a perfect time because it is helping me forget about the current basketball season.
I am sure there will be more news coming out today and through rest of this week. So if you are hearing and reading more of it let's share it here in the comment threads. As always please share your extended observations in the fanposts and any key quick finds in the fanshots. Shaping up to be another fun day of taking in Trojie schadenfreude across the internets.
GO BRUINS.
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Still think Mike Leach
is the perfect fit for sc
This was my flippant tongue in cheek comment
In truth I would like to see a Trojan alum brought in. It adds to the rivalry. Jack Del Rio works, of course. I really do like the rivalry with true UCLA and sc people.
Jack Del Rio/Jeff Fisher
They seem like good guys to me. It would be cool to have their old school alums take over their prgoram back and restore the integrity and respect in this rivalry, which Petey and his chumps debased in recent years.
ditto
I read this morning (I am obsessed with this evolving sc story) that the Titans owner and Fisher have butted heads, and even Young and Fisher have butted heads recently.
Ultimately, whoever takes over still has to deal with the mess left over and still (currently) has to deal with Garrett (which I understand is not pleasant unless you don’t mind a knife in your back).
Tough sell for sc to lure anyone with credentials and patience.
"Restore?"
Ahh, you have too short a memory, young Nestor.
There is nothing to “restore.” They have never had any integrity during my lifetime. They have always cheated. It’s part of the chromosome pattern over there.
Either of those guys might take the job, but it will just be business as usual. Do you really think that the big money donors would allow a coach to act honorably if it meant that they might not be able to make the big payoffs to star athletes?
True.
They ran John Robinson out of town over the phone at the end of his second stint, if memory serves.
Worse than that
JRob got canned with an answering machine message.
Only coach with integrity
I think was Paul Hackett. Unfortunately, that got in the way of the only thing Thug Life U. cared about — wins at any cost.
Del Rio was an a-wipe in his SC days
I recall Jack Del Rio being a whiny little jerk during his playing days. Bruins I knew on the team didn’t like a lot of the SC players in general, but a few of them especially disliked Del Rio in their encounters with him both on and off the field.
During the run up to the 84 game, Del Rio did a lot of mouthing off. If not for QB Tim Green and his infamous “we’ll whim ’em” quote, Del Rio’s comments probably would have dotted the bulletin board in the Bruin locker room instead. Needless to say, the Bruins routed the Rose Bowl-bound Trojans in a game that was much more lopsided than the final score indicated. The Bruins’ win sent them to the Fiesta Bowl (where they beat defending NC Miami in Bernie Kosar’s final collegiate game), and setup a Pac-10 coronation day on Jan 1, where UCLA, UDub, and SC won the Fiesta, Orange, and Rose bowls.
It must positively kill the guy to have MJD (an unrepentant Bruin) as his best player in J’ville. But, at least in public Del Rio’s been good natured about it. Maybe he’s mellowed out with age, but if hired as SC’s coach, I have a feeling his roots will show very quickly.
Jeff Fisher I don’t know enough about to say anything one way or another. But, I’ll always have a soft spot for him because of his role in winning the 1980 game for the Bruins.
I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Jeff Fisher
So will Freeman McNeil and Jay Schroeder, thanks to that little tipped pass down the sideline.
Yes, but...
I was there, and the only reason we needed that play was because the purchased officials gave SC a touchdown when we stopped them at the 1.5 yard line.
Oops Tim Green said "We'll WHIP 'em"
Needless to say he had a bright blue target on his mustard and yellow jersey all day, and had a horrible game.
I think the world of Coach Leach
but I agree with Nestor that his going to just$c is pretty unlikely. There are zero hand-wringers on the bandwagon – they would welcome Josef Goebbels as head coach if it looked like he had a pipeline to good players coming out of the SS training camps. But surrounding the bandwagon are tons of people who think that what Coach Leach is alleged to have done is basically the same as water boarding that maybe not even the just$c spin doctors could get past it. If just$c had six or nine or twelve months to wait, I could see Coach Leach getting an offer, but they don’t have that much time.
We would have our hands full if Coach Leach decided to take over at just$c, in my opinion. He flourished with basically a zero budget and having to compete with Texas, Oklahoma and those folks for players. This what he could do with an unlimited budget.
There’s one potential downside for the trOJies if they chase Coach Leach. It appears that he has some integrity, and he might not think it’s right to blatantly cheat. If indeed he wants to follow the rules, then he would obviously be a bad fit on Figueroa.
Can't we say the same thing about Riley?
I always imagined Mike Riley as being a very classy coach, so its really hard to imagine him at USC.
Also another name to keep an eye on
Brent Venables from Oklahoma. He is a solid DC but not sure how good he is as a recruiter and whether he would have the charisma to lead that program.
Jeff Fisher
he has publicly said he is not interested in the trOJan gig. “I’ll be here a couple more years at least,” he said. Of course that can change, but that is what he is saying right now.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
This is what I've come to enjoy about USC
And their fans and alumni: they allow the sport of football to mythically elevate their school above everyone else and the ethos becomes “we’re better than you.” Right? Meanwhile, they’re supposed to JUST BE A UNIVERSITY! And athletics is for sport and student-athletes are AMATEURS.
This is what I love about UCLA. We’re a university first and sports come second. We maintain perspective and remain humble. If there is an impropriety, then we deal with it and do right by the rules. Saving face and a football program, and evading and sneaking around the NCAA rules, would never be an option or more important than our collective image.
This is why I’m so happy to be a Bruin this morning.
Strange!
Last season I thought I couldn’t be more obsessed with college football during the offseason, yet this year is starting with a bang.
How long until they tee it up next fall?
DawgPound reporting that Sarkisian was contacted and expressed no interest
They also throw out the names of Belloti and Chow. Del Rio seems to be the logical front runner with Fisher. Since Riley is from Corvallis if he gets a long term deal he will stay there. Walker also reportedly was contacted by Petey to be a DC at Seattle.
The only area Chow is "running"
is within the UCLA recruiting sphere. It’s just desperate chatter thrown out by the Trojies.
Bellotti should interview so Knight has to give him a pay raise
thats what he did to us.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jan 10, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Vince Young screws Trojans again?
Fisher is very well liked in Nashville but after starting the season with 6 losses there was real talk that maybe it was time to find a new direction for the Titans. Then Vince pulled the season out of the crapper, the Titans finish .500 and Fisher’s job is safe. So if he’s not going to get fired, he makes more money in Nashville than he would in LA and it seems like he’s finally got a QB that can win games why go to Troy? He’s not going this time around I say.
The Sucsters are desperate.
They should hire Jerry Tarkanian...
Proven cheater at 3 schools (Long Beach State, UNLV, Fresno State), even managed to put all of them on NCAA major penalties. History of recruiting criminals. Demonstrated laid-back attitude toward academics. Did all this and won a national title. Just what the University of Sports not College is looking for.
and criticized and bad mouth UCLA and John Wooden at the same time
Perfect fit for SUC
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jan 10, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Xavier Grimble Likely Visiting UCLA Next Weekend
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jan/09/gormans-grimble-listening-other-schools-after-shak/
Grimble has no recruiting trips scheduled, but said LSU, Florida and UCLA are all possibilities. He will probably travel to UCLA next weekend.
I'll take a #1 rated TE anyday, anytime.
Yandallis a good get but I’m that not excited about it.
I don't see fisher going
he got Tenn turned around at the end of the year, is the longest serving head coach in the NFL, and has unlimited rope with Titans owners.
Don’t know about Del Rio
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Jan 10, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions
Ken Norton Jr. Is Apparently Not in the Mix
Not ready for prime time Ken Norton Jr. is not a name being bandied around. But DeWayne Walker is. I find the irony great. Especially after the riot Norton tried to foment in the UCLA-U$C game this year.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
Jim Leavitt
The former USF coach is a good one, but I don’t know if just ‘sc will consider him after his recent firing. With them, it would not surprise me if they hire a man with a questionable background since all they care about are wins at any cost. Even after the sanctions, they’ll “compete” by finding new ways to cheat the system. That is the trojan way.
Leavitt is the polar opposite of Cheatie Petie in terms of on-camera charm
He sounds a little like Freddie Blassie. just$c* wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole, in my opinion. Not cool enough by a long shot. Also, I don’t know about his willingness to cheat, which he or any candidate would have to explain in detail to Garrett.
Does SC need a placeholder coach and why that worries me
Accepting for the minute that the sanctions that are deserved will come down and/or will at least influence the coaches considering the position, SC may not be able to get the big gun they are looking for. For example, the thread already is saying Mike Riley will turn it down (who knows the truth on these sorts of things). And as someone mentioned the coach after the coach that replaces Cheaty Petey is a great job.
If so, they may mean they have to look for someone as a placeholder: a few years as head coach while they go through sanctions. Who would be perfect in that scenario: Mr. Norm Chow. And to me that would be bad for the good guys.
Not saying NC is looking nor saying SC is looking at NC. Just saying it may come up down the road.
(Admittedly someone like a DeWayne Walker that would probably win more games at SC even with serious sanctions than he will where he is fits the profile too).
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 10, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions
I think I want them to hire Riley
Though he’s perfect for OSU, I think Riley’s ceiling is not very high, and I’m not sure he has the fire to maintain a dominant program. I’d like him to go there for the same reason I didn’t want him here. As solid as he’s been his system and energy don’t scare me. Also, this would mean OSU’s program would probably go down.
Walker would be too good to be true, and I don’t know what to feel about Del Rio. I definitely don’t want to see Fischer — he’s a much better coach than Carroll.
Exactly
Fisher would be the coach that I don’t want to see at SC. He has a proven coaching acumen, and doesn’t seem to have the kind of ego that would affect how he situates his coaching staff (i.e., Carroll running Chow out of town) or his roster (i.e., the Matt Barkley debacle). The only question mark is his recruiting ability, which Carroll used to paper over any deficiencies he might have had with the Xs and Os.
I think the only thing that might draw Riley to SC would be the ceiling at OSU. He very well might have maxed out over there. He’s had two straight shots at taking OSU to the Rose Bowl, but might not see to many other opportunities down the line.
Sarkisian, of course, would be the best hire
But I fear that’s also too good to be true.
Off topic, but did you see who...
Matt Sanchez got his first Playoff win against?
Anyways, I wish the NY Jets many victories over the Seahawks.
From a practical standpoint, I think Leech might be the hire
The problem for $C obviously is the looming potential NCAA sanctions. Who knows if they are going to come down and how hard. That makes any true high level coach apprehensive to take the job, which is why I doubt any will.
Leech on the other hand, while it SEEMS he may be entirely innocent as well, this who saga is still a ding on his reputation until it is resolved and the truth comes out from both sides. Thus at the moment, he is perceived damage goods and people might be apprehensive to hire him, until whatever is settled between him and TT.
It’s because of both $C and Leech’s precarious situations, that I think both would be willing to take a gamble on each other.
Guys, Leach is nowhere on the radar
And would never be even if this Adam James stupidity never happened. SC is as old-school as it gets, and is no more turned on by innovative football minds than we are.
From what I heard Whittingham is interested but he is not a candidate. Makes sense. Petersen also hasn’t been mentioned, nor Patterson. These are the hires I would fear most.
If Walker takes over at U$C...
…then we’ll never lose to those chumps.
How?
Run the spread. We should hang up 35-45 points, no problem.

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