Per Yahoo Sports, NCAA probe of USC complete
by EdO'B3017 on Jan 11, 2010 2:19 PM PST
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Just broke on Yahoo! sports:
After almost four years of investigation, the NCAA’s probe into the USC athletic program has reached a conclusion. Sources familiar with the investigation have told Yahoo! Sports that the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions will meet from Feb. 19-21 to address what investigators uncovered at USC. According to typical NCAA procedures, if sanctions are necessary, they will be determined and then made public via a news conference within six-to-eight weeks of the February hearing.
Read rest of it here.
UPDATE (N): Just read through the piece. Here is a detail that stuck out to me (emphasis added):
Recent developments at USC, including its decision to self-sanction its basketball program, appear to have occurred after the Trojans received the NCAA’s letter of allegations. News of the hearing also indicates that former Trojans football coach Pete Carroll has been aware for weeks of the specific violations the NCAA may be alleging against his program. Carroll resigned as USC football coach on Sunday and has since been named coach of the NFL’s Seattle Seahawks.
In other words Petey KNEW what was coming his way. That should put aside all the spin about "right opportunity" nonsense we will be hearing from him and his cronies the coming days. Also the note about timing re. "self imposed" sanctions on the hoops program is interesting too. Now that looks like a total desperation on their part. Talk about a house of cards. What else sticks out to people from this piece? GO BRUINS.
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Another interesting article from Yahoo (of course)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-carroll011010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
This has to deal with his legacy in relation to the timing of his leaving. I don’t agree with everything in this article, but does give some insight into why the lenth of the investigation may have been beneficial in the end.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
Here's what jumped out at me
Carroll never has publicly offered detailed answers to myriad questions that surround how the program handled its off-field business. Whatever, if anything, he’s told the NCAA thus far may be his final comment – as the Seahawks coach he no longer is obligated to speak to investigators.
by bruinbabe2000 on Jan 11, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
He can still be deposed in the Lake v. Bush lawsuit
Bob O. (Signholder #3)
If this is true
I’m sure Cheatey’s departure is ENTIRELY COINCIDENTAL.
What a Humanitarian. He’s probably in Calcutta, India right now fighting poverty.
by Barnes2JJ on Jan 11, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
A couple interesting comments I had not known
“Recent developments at USC, including its decision to self-sanction its basketball program, appear to have occurred after the Trojans received the NCAA’s letter of allegations.”
“News of the hearing also indicates that former Trojans football coach Pete Carroll has been aware for weeks of the specific violations the NCAA may be alleging against his program.”
I thought the Bush deposition was still to come
I thought it was upcoming, but the S Jay Bruin’s article seems to imply it has already taken place with this comment:
but according to S Jay Bruin’s linked article, it already has occured.
“In the Bush case, the enforcement staff patiently has waited for all the possible facts to come out. This includes Bush’s potential under oath testimony in a lawsuit filed by Lake. If the NCAA acted swiftly, it would’ve missed out on speaking with Bush (or getting sworn testimony) and thus presented a weaker case to the jury.”
I believe the story about Bush depo that we have read before
refers to the ongoing court case. The stories above deal with matters infront of NCAA enforcement body (folks with whom Bush has met according to the report). I think they are separate matters.
hmmm
I thought the NCAA (and us) were waiting for an upcoming testimony under oath by Bush, which could potentially give a lot more truthful details than the cozy fireside chat the NCAA has already had with Bush.
by bornagainbruin on Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
My sense is that bu$h has not been deposed in the Lake case
Any talking he did to Mr. Magoo, Inspector Clouseau and the others from the ncaa was undoubtedly not under oath. I am guessing here, but the interview with the ncaa probably went along the lines of when Peter Gibbons met with the two Bobs at Initech in “Office Space.”
Oh no
If you recall, Peter was ultra relaxed from his hypnotherapy, and so was completely honest. I can’t see No-Rent Reggie, or any other tOJam being completely honest, with anybody, about anything.
I think NRR’s deposition probably went more like Tom’s (?) response to the two Bobs, who, in response to the question about what, exactly, he did at Initech: “I have PEOPLE skills. I deal with the GODDAM CUSTOMERS!! What is WRONG with you people?!?!”
Ahh, I see your point.
I’m sure that bu$h’s response to the two Bobs from the ncaa was the way Tom (I think that was his name, too) responded.
My point was that the ncaa’s reaction would probably have been the way the two Bobs responded to Peter.
I see
Promote him. Give him a raise. Give him stock options. Kiss his ass. Sounds about right.
Funny, isn’t it, how the best examples come from the most absurd movies?
And the more I think about Office Space,
I never realized the uncanny resemblance between Bill Lumbergh and Cheatie Petie.
“Ahh, yeah. Ah, Joe, I’m going to go ahead and disagree with you on whether it would be a good idea to park the SUV right in front of my office. Ah, yeah. Didn’t you get the memo about the new cover sheet for the report on how you hide gifts that you’ve gone ahead and received from your baby’s mama’s boss. Ah, yeah.”
Wolf's comment on KCAL last night makes even more sense with this news.
re Mike Garrett telling Petey to take Seattle’s offer upon hearing of the Seahawks interest.
formerly bruinhoo
by Patroclus on Jan 11, 2010 3:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
FOUR year investigation?
Nothing takes that long unless there is some seriously f*cked up things going on.
If the story is correct
and the timeline for announcing any possible sanctions is correct, that would take us past the Feb 3rd signing date, right? Sucks for any possible $C recruits that might get stuck at $C in the face of unknown investigation results. Oh wait, they decided to go to $C, they must know what they’re getting into
The hammer is coming
It’s taken the national media far longer than it should, but the truth is finally coming out and even USC’s propaganda machine can’t stop this one.
And Troy will burn.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
ESPN article
ESPN now also has an article on the probe.
A source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com’s Andy Katz that USC’s notice of infractions included both football and men’s basketball, which may make the timing of Pete Carroll’s departure to the Seattle Seahawks a bit more interesting based on what will come out of the report. The NCAA had folded the two investigations into one so it can review the entire athletic department’s culpability in any possible infractions. That is par for the course in investigations since a failure to monitor can be applied to the entire department.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Rumors
What I find interesting is the rumor that SUC tried to self impose sanctions on the football team as well as bball but the request was denied by the NCAA.
I really have no idea how this stuff works. Does anyone know if the story has legs? And if so did the basketball team need permission to self impose their sanctions?
ESPN reported this over the weekend.
ESPN said that Garrett offered to also self impose sanctions on the football team but the NCAA denied them from doing that.
Hopefully it’s because the sledge hammer is about to fall.
by bornagainbruin on Jan 11, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
So, what I'm hearing
is that there will be no celebrations for another 6 to 8 weeks?
Such is my faith in the NCAA.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
My November post detailed the sanctions, and I quote...
“After a very lengthy, albeit not not very penetrating, investigation, we reluctantly announce the severe ‘Death Penalty’ against the Southern California football oligarchy.
“As is well known on the Internet (but not to the Los Angeles Times), the USC Trojan football program has been point and center in an impressive list of scandals. We refer you to the Bruins Nation’s Menelaus file, too large for us to reproduce here.
“We specifically acknowledge that Reggie Bush was accorded extra benefits far in excess of those normally lavished on USC’s so-called student athletes. Our judgment is that Mr. Bush has suffered enough through his association with the Kardashian family, so he may retain his ill-gotten Heisman trophy.
“We further acknowledge the zero degrees Kelvin institutional control by President Sample, Athletic Director Garrett, and Chief Ethicist Senora Ross. Our judgment is that everything that happened was the work of one man with nice hair, who has been removed from all university activities (granted, with an eye-opening severance package and a promise not to talk). We refer, of course, to Mr. Tim Floyd. We direct you to the Bruins Nation documentary, “The Sound of SCilence” for further details.
“Finally, we acknowledge the many contributions to bottom-line NCAA revenues gushing from a non-regulated Trojan program. This, in concert with the college’s enviable relationship with local law enforcement personnel and the exemplary role-model behavior of the head coach, Mr. Pete Cheat Carroll, results in the following unprecedented sanctions:
“1. Because their behavior is reminiscent of Delta House, they are placed on double-secret probation.
“2. Because they have a poor defense and an untried quarterback and have no chance of making the BCS championship game or even a Rose Bowl berth against a laughable Big Ten team, for this year only the University is banned from post-season play. We understand this will cause great suffering among alumni who would normally flock to the Poinsettia Bowl, Bell Helicopters Armed Forces Bowl, or Chick-fil-A Bowl.
“.3 Because they must now compete for academically-challenged recruits against Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian, they are given the additional handicap of losing one scholarship each year through the rest of this decade (i.e., 2010). Please note that as part of the nation’s Stimulus Bill, it is acceptable and encouraged for the University to hire marginally-qualified employees whose sons may play varsity without counting against scholarship limits.
“We understand that these egregious sanctions may cause some embarrassment among other schools who have received more lenient treatment in past years (such as forfeiting games). By pounding Southern California as we have, we trust that others who might consider behaving similarly will be fully deterred.”
by ucla7477 on Jan 11, 2010 6:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Confirmation re. USC's NCAA status
I have seen some people, here and on other sites, note that USC was placed on NCAA probation in 2001 for certain rule violations, including academic fraud and a failure to monitor by the University. This is correct, and the probation had the following effects:
1. USC’s athletic department was placed on probation for a period of 2 years (8-23-01 through 8-23-03)
2. The NCAA took away 2 scholarships from Football, and 1/2 scholarship from Women’s swimming for the 2002-03 academic year
3. In addition to the above, USC became subject to the NCAA’s repeat violators policy (then NCAA bylaw 19.6.2.3, now bylaw 19.5.2.3), for a period of 5 years from the date of the NCAA’s infraction report and imposition of penalties (8-23-01 through 8-23-06). Specifically, Bylaw 19.5.2.3.1 reads:
An institution shall be considered a “repeat” violator if the Committee on Infractions finds that a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty. For this provision to apply, at least one major violation must have occurred within five years after the starting date of the penalties in the previous case. It shall not be necessary that the Committee on Infractions’ hearing be conducted or its report issued within the five-year period. (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
If the current NCAA investigation finds that USC committed a major violation of NCAA rules before August 23, 2006, the university will be deemed a repeat violator. It is not clear what, if any, significance this would have on penalties imposed as a result of the investigation. Bylaw 19.5.2.3.2 gives the NCAA the ability, but not the obligation to impose the “Death Penalty” on athletic programs that are deemed to be repeat violators.
formerly bruinhoo
I'm going to go out on a limb here
I’ll actually say it. I don’t care if I’m the only person in the Bruins Nation or on the face of the earth to say it, but I’ll say it anyway. I think … a little nervous here, so you have to forgive me … I think just$c* deserves the Death Penalty.
There. I said it. I’ll take all the scorn you guys have. I know, all the innocent people at just$c* will suffer, including their fans who, above all else, remained morally and intellectually honest, and called Cheatie Petie out on a daily basis for cheating. But you have to have tough love sometimes.
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