[Updated] Trojan Mouthpiece(s)/Shills Reporting Chow to SC, ESPN Cannot Confirm, UCLA Calls The Report "Incorrect"
by Karl II on Jan 12, 2010 7:27 PM PST
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PrintBumped. Right now the Chow bit is only coming from ESPN's Shelly Smith, who is probably the biggest Trojan honk on ESPN (west of Mississippi). There has been no confirmation from any other news outlet yet and nothing from UCLA yet. GO BRUINS. -N
Apparently Lamey would not go to SC unless Chow was on board. At least according to Shelley Smith on ESPNEWS:
In another part of the blockbuster staff changes, a deal is being finalized for longtime offensive coordinator Norm Chow to return to the Trojans in the same capacity, sources close to the school told ESPN's Shelley Smith.
The current UCLA offensive coordinator held that position with USC from 2001-04. He was also the coordinator at Brigham Young from 1973-99, at NC State in 2000 and with the Tennessee Titans from 2005-07.
Unfortunately, the staff is looking so good that it does not matter how big a doofus Lamey is. Chow must really hate Neu to do that.
UPDATE (N): I'd be careful about believing everything coming out SC's mouthpiece aka Shelly Smith. A little history on Chow and Kiffin's relationship from Scott Wolf back in January of 2008 (emphasis added):
Things reached a head in January of 2005. Carroll, Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian met in Mobile, Ala., at the Senior Bowl and talked about a plan to bring Sarkisian back from the Raiders, where he was an assistant and kick Chow into the job of assistant head coach.
They also discussed removing playcalling duties from Chow.
Chow told friends recently he was "hurt" and "upset" and thought he was being forced out.
"I think they wouldn't mind if (Chow) left," said an associate of Carroll and Chow. "I think it's about ego and maybe they are tired of Norm. They don't need him anymore."
Now, to be fair, Chow could also be aloof and paranoid at times and his quiet demeanor is not the type of personality Carroll seems to prefer on his coaching staff.
With all of this going on, Chow was offered the Titans job. After he took the job, some other things happened between involving Chow and Kiffin, but I'll go into them another time. Meanwhile Chow no longer speaks to Sarkisian, feeling he was betrayed by his former protege.
So before we believe this story let's wait to hear from Chow first. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE II (N): Brian Grummell from AOL, who is a noted Trojan shill (who once hailed Petey as a "physical genius") anxiously jumps on Smith's Chow "report," as does Scott Wolf. More updates after the jump.
UPDATE III (N): And now it looks ESPN cannot confirm a done deal:
A source told the Pac-10 blog that USC also is expected to pursue Norm Chow as offensive coordinator. Chow is presently the offensive coordinator at UCLA, but he was Carroll's coordinator when the Trojans won consecutive national titles in 2003 and 2004.
That's from ESPN's Pac-10 blogger/reporter Ted Miller. He can't confirm any kind of done deal. So it's only coming from Trojan shills as of right now. Something seems really shady. That's expected with a shady program. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE III (N): Gold, who has been extremely schizo and unreliable now claims "Norm Chow is negotiating a contract to leave UCLA." Again, if this is true the responsibility would be on Dan Guerrero and Rick Neuheisel to not let anyone get away with putting UCLA in any kind of disadvantageous situation when it comes to recruiting.
UPDATE IV (N): Also note Chow is contracted with UCLA through next season at least. So if any team looking to hire Chow away from UCLA will have to offer a UCLA a buy out contract. I would think the UCLA administration should be in position to play hard ball with anyone contemplating this kind of move, and make sure to turn this into a win/win situation either way. That way UCLA either keeps Chow or has enough funds available to bring in another OC. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE V (N): Just received the following email from UCLA's Sports Information Director:
As far as we know, it is an incorrect report.
So there you have it for now. Hang tight.
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oh hell no
CRN says he hasn’t heard anything per Gold
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
GOOD bye & thanks for nothing.
This guy (Chow) is the most overrated OC in the game today. Check out the facts everywhere he’s been.
Did we lead the PAC10 in anything on offense in the last 2 years? Turnovers excepted.
How about the Titans? Vince Young? What did they do when he left?
How did SUC do his first 2 years?
Time to move on, I’ll drive him to Figueroa.
thanks for fixing this (nestor?)
Looking at all the re-postings of my past fan shots on Lamey, I guess one can conclude I am a big fan of his work.
You were prescient
to say the least. This Chow story sounds really fishy. We will use this thread to update it.
Oh I don't to know be honest right now
I’d like to see a response from UCLA soon. My understanding is that Chow was under K through next season. If that is the case he can’t go anywhere else unless it is cleared by UCLA. That was my understanding. If it was something different I’d expect RN and DG to be more alert. Something is weird.
I don’t want to make a comment on this until I hear a confirmation. It would be good to hear from UCLA soon because this “leak” seems very effective for recruiting purposes for the Trojies.
The worst consequence of this would be
What it says about our AD, yet again
AD, or Head Coach?
I would imagine, Rick’s comments about handcuffs on Chow have more to do with this than anything DG had to do with the man.
I am floored by this rumor. If it becomes true, my hatred for all things SC will know no bounds.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
This makes UCLA look like chumps if it happens
and Norm Chow is a backstabbing fraud
IF it’s true
by UCLABruins4Ever on Jan 12, 2010 7:20 PM PST reply actions
Jon Gold says CRN hasn't heard from Chow
But, he took down his post about it…. what’s up with that?
probably making a new one
with new info. hopefully it means he got a hold of Chow or that CRN has new info
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 12, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
check out the site now
it’s gone.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 12, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
meaning the front page of his blog
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 12, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
if it happens my take on it is
that UCLA won’t be that much worse off without Chow…but SC’s offense gets a lot better fast.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
Yes
Our offesnse wasn’t exactly shining but this is a major buzz kill in terms of recruiting. If true we need the NCAA to step up soon.
yep
the only bright spot in recruiting would be how Xavier Grimble says he “values honesty and integrity” lol…lf that’s really true then welcome to westwood xavier
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 12, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
this would be disastrous for recruiting
bye heimuli, bye grimble, bye everybody!!!!!
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
although there is this
Brandon Willis decommited (again) from UT and has already contacted UCLA
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 12, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Wolf's now saying Chow confirmed to him that USC approached him to become the OC
Nothing about agreeing, of course…but that sure doesn’t sound promising.
well it's not surprising that they approached him
I would if i were Lame/Garrett
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 12, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Update
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/7125/kiffin-will-bring-a-great-staff-recruiting-skill-to-usc
Still in pursuit
Formerly ucla13_usc9
Here's that to bypass the falsities link
A source told the Pac-10 blog that USC also is expected to pursue Norm Chow as offensive coordinator. Chow is presently the offensive coordinator at UCLA, but he was Carroll’s coordinator when the Trojans won consecutive national titles in 2003 and 2004.
Formerly ucla13_usc9
How ridiculous does Chow look if this is true?
Again, IF it is true, I think it would clearly illustrate why he is never offered a head coaching position. How do you respect a coach who goes back and forth between schools for the exact same job?
I am only saying that IF this is true.
I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because I can’t believe a man’s ego would allow him to do this type of flip-flopping. Again… for the exact same job!
it wouldn't make us look good
for recruits at least i’d say. hope CRN or guerrero has someone great close at hand. perhaps this will end up being a positive for us in the longer run…
Bruins Forever
Is this all a $$ play?
Can we start donating to a “Keep Norm Chow” fund at the Morgan Center? Like, uh, right now?
I'm not that pathetic
I draw the line at holding candlelight vigils for collegiate coaches. This is still just football, after all. ;)
Honestly,
if this is true…I am disgusted. I’m sorry, but if Norm wants to work with that idiot…unbelievable.
Love My Bruins
This just in!
An anonymous source told me that ….
Why should I trust an anonymous source?
I hope its not for money..
“You’re not in this business for the money. If you are, you’re wasting your time. If I spent as much time selling life insurance as I do coaching, I’d be a multimillionaire. "
-Norm Chow Dec 09
Another link
http://usc.freedomblogging.com/2010/01/12/espn-reports-usc-trying-to-get-chow/29733/#more-29733
TRYING TO GET CHOW
Formerly ucla13_usc9
"a usc player confirms..."
that might be the worst “source” i’ve ever seen a “journalist” use
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 12, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Gold's blog updated....
and…not good. Although it’s still just ‘negotiating’.
Dark side
My hatred of USC is now complete.
If this is true, i wanna punch norm in the face
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
This is too much.
I can’t bear it.
Can the legal Beagles answer this: If NC is under contract and takes off, there would have to be some serious buyouts involved, right? Especially, if SC needs permission to talk to him and did not get it.
clutching at straws here.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
well Dukie V said so, that doesnt make it true either does it
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Only one way to settle this, guys
Someone get in touch with Doh! and have him get in touch with his anonymous sources. We need the absolutely scoop here.
ANYONE ELSE NOTICE
Sorry for Caps but wanted to get everyone’s attention.
The ESPN ticker said that “Chow was negotiating” before but now it saids “Chow could” be coming.
Nothing is confirmed but as others have pointed out, it is beyond fishy. I agree that this is a Power Play by sucsters to keep their class and prevent UCLA from taking over.
AND all Gold said was he was negotiating. Nothing saids that he is gone. Until then, we don’t know what is going to happen. Let it play out.
Maybe this is OT in a thread full of speculation, but here's some facts about Monte Kiffin
As a Tampa resident, I had Monte here for several years. He was viewed as fundamentally ordinary. Sure, he may have invented the “Tampa 2” defense (although I kind of thought that was invented by Dungy, but who cares), but the team gave up enough points in crunch time to never be much of a success.
His stats in his one season at Tennessee were sort of ordinary. His team was 28th (top quartile) in points per game. We were 33rd at 21.3. just$c was 24th at 20.4. So sure, just$c gets a nice reputation guy, but his results are not so good. Of course, they’re still better than those of his sun, but meh.
fundamentally ordinary
Two words you never want to hear about your coach, or about yourself in asking her girl friends what she thinks of you.
If anyone else here bashes on Coach Chow
I will find you and slap you around. No “if” this or that. Don’t call our coach names.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Jan 12, 2010 7:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If he stays...
…great, good guy, great for recruiting, etc…
If he goes…
…he shows the type of person he is and we didn’t want him anyway.
Win/Win
Positive spin....
OUr offense will look better next year.
not gone but negotiating
with this much smoke how likely is it that this won’t be finalized at this point? i’m not being pessimistic, just asking…
Bruins Forever
UCLA can make the call
on whether or to let him out of his K. UCLA should be playing hardball if anyone is thinking realistically about this kind of move.
If we can get a nice fat buyout
That helps us get a good OC to replace him and helps us get better staff in the future, it would be acceptable IMO.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 12, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
makes sense
so this negotiation is not quick. it is amazing how fast all this stuff seems to be moving given the complexity.
Bruins Forever
by bruinsince69 on Jan 12, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
ya seriously
if SC is desperate to make it happen, they better give us enough money to bring in anyone we want
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
He's not naming his sources
What if he’s just going off of what Smith/Wolf are saying?
by Alanamaslama on Jan 12, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Like Dohn
when Collison “told UCLA” he was leaving after his junior season.
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 12, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Does this make you feel any better?
With Coach Chow as our offensive coordinator, we were 88th in total offense this year. (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O). So if Coach Chow leaves, does this make you feel better? It doesn’t make me feel the least bit better. I would rather he stay.
by peggysue69 on Jan 12, 2010 7:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
How does suc losing chetey petey
Turn into us possibly losing our oc???
I honestly don't get Chow's move - at all - unless he and Neuheisel really didn't get
along that well. You’re leaving a program without the hint of NCAA sanctions to one that’s basically got a giant cloud hanging over it, with an unproven loudmouth head coach. This makes so little sense. I don’t even know what to think any more. Someone hold me.
better players on the roster.
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Jan 12, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
why can't we ever get a break
One of SCs most successful coaches leaves with sanctions looming and they bring a dream team of a coaching staff
WTF!!!
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
maybe sanctions are not tough
since SC saw the report awhile back maybe CNC knows they will not be too harsh. i don’t know, just wondering myself…
Bruins Forever
by bruinsince69 on Jan 12, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Please chime in with all your thoughts, questions and comments
We’re going to work them all into the show. We’ll recap the season for a bit, get to talk to UCLA great Justin Hickman, then will go in depth into the situation with Chow and SC’s hires.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 12, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
any news from SC potential recruits?
about kiffin hiring?
Bruins Forever
I'm sure most of their class is saved
as a result of these hires. If nothing else, Kiffin/Orgeron/Kiffin would have saved most of the recruiting class themselves, nevermind them possibly having Norm Chow.
And, SC's going to have a good chance
with a bunch of the UT recruits now as well. The good news is, if anyone can manage to screw this up, it’s Lane Kiffin.
Kyle Prater
who was a SC commit, then decommitted when PC left, has now committed again. That’s the only specific news I know of.
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 12, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Markeith Ambles is now very interested in 'SC
per Mike Farrell/ Rivals.com
by Julio Nievas on Jan 12, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
My stach is turning at the possibility of
Us losing our oc and recruits
If this is the case....
that means our guys have to learn a WHOLE new play book…
this UK Florida game is absolutely outstanding btw...
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Ya they would
As long as it interfered with NCAA rules, they would be more than happy to do so
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I would not be surprised if this was true
only because it was clear that Chow’s beef was with Carroll and not anyone else. With him gone, who know? Maybe he had his eyes on Sc all along but thought that old man pete would never leave.
Everything in NC’s character would say that this is not true, but for some reason deep down I feel like it is. UCLA football doesn’t get this much good news at once without some cost
Hey everyone
Make sure you CALL IN to the PODCAST TONIGHT! There ought to be LOADS of questions
Formerly ucla13_usc9
You know what
I’m not going to be heartbroken if Chow leaves. Sure he’s great at what he does, and great for recruiting, but we’ve got a great offensive mind in CRN, and believe me, he’s not the type of guy who’s going to let USC get all this love now. He’ll make his own splash. Trust.
i bet SC is gonna go back to
their old ways with throwing huge numbers on the board. Chow was probably saving the best for SC
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
This just in
1. CRN jumps into his pool, tries to drown himself, fails when Kevin Craft comes to the rescue.
2. Splashme goes out on first date with Lane, Layla waits in Car
Formerly ucla13_usc9
I believe in crn too
Bit I’m also worried about learning a new playbook as well as possibly losing recruits that nc landed
Garrett explains how he selected Kiffin....
“I did a Google search on ‘2009 NCAA football cheating,’ and after I scrolled through all the Pete Carroll entries, I found Lane Kiffin.”
Lost in all this is still the dellicious fact
that USC will still be led by the ultimate failbot, Lane Kiffin. As I mentioned, if anyone can screw this up, it’s Lane Kiffin.
Dellins is the UCLA SID for those who don't know
Formerly ryebreadraz
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 12, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
On this note.
GOD DAMN FUCKING ESPN!
Ok I feel better.
Show some integrity Norm
When I heard Kiffin’s name mentioned. I thought this is the last guy I want them to hire, he’s as dirty, and as cocky as carroll, and Chow is friends with Monty. Don’t go Norm!
Assuming NC honors his contract and stays, next year would be our breakout year.
Speed at the backs, continuity on the line, size at the receiver spots, and emerging talent under center.
HAVE FAITH, BRUINS.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Just wondering
When is Bill Plashke going on his first date with his new BFF Lane?
Formerly ucla13_usc9
he has his kids there
$$, too many cooks in the kitchen at UCLA, and Chris Dufresne made a point on the radio that Norm just always wants to be wanted. If Kiffin said his one demand is for Norm to come, then that patches things up between them a little.
That's something that has worried me for years.
When Weis was asked to leave ND, his kids left ND as well. (IIRC)
But Chow’s kids stayed put at SC, which was fine when he was with Tennessee. But, I found suspicious once he had landed here at UCLA.
Gawd, I don’t know what to believe anymore.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
if this is true
then Rick has to get his thinking cap on and get us a good playcaller. Monty Kiffin is the only one that makes this a little scary, with Uko coming in and Shirley, Riley, etc. The defensive recruits remain solid for them, unfortunately.
I have a hard time believing this. Regardless I love ucla, when deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan all I asked my family to send me was chew and ucla clippings. We will survive this crn hates sc as much as anyone but this is what gives us charachter I refuse to believe we will degress.102 and counting
Lost in all of our harping over Chow...
things are getting UGLY over on Tennessee’s campus. There literally was a riot on campus this evening. Head over to RTT for updates, but it is NOT PRETTY.
This hiring process in college football is really getting out of hand. The ADs are going to have to do something about this. This is not a good way to make offseason coaching moves. At all – and it has gotten progressively worse over the past three years.
U of T fan
I’m sure they will kill Lane Kiffin on sight.
Follow Renaldo Woolridge on Twitter
A mob of people apparently just chased Kiffin’s car out of the athletic complex. A mob.
Kiffin Hate Facebook group
Started by Vol fans already over 10,000 members. 20 min ago, they were at 6,000….
by Alanamaslama on Jan 12, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Now, that's a fan base!
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
according to renaldo
they’re planning to break into his house
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
Guys we are going to bump the podcast thread up at 8:10 pm
Please take all the coaching discussions there at that time till 9 pm PST.
Let's still throw money at Chow
I don’t mind increasing his stock, as long as he stays in UCLA.
Give him tenure for all that matters…
if chows gone we need to do something big
usc is getting all the momentum back. we need to get some fiery guys, like in the mold of a will muschamp
momentum?
the dude just caused a riot at a school where he coached for one year.
There’s no momentum. It’s still justSC.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I think everyone is in agreement that Lane is a joke
Monty, Orgeron, and Chow are not. That’s a scary tandem.
It's not a tandem
it’s a trio.
Yes, they are good coaches, and it would suck to lose our recruits.
But U$C is looking worse by the day.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
A lot of people overreacting here
some of you guys really need to tone it down.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Not saying I'm not nervous
but calling people those kinds of names is very trOJanical.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
For the love of God
Please don’t leave, Norm Chow.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Shelley just backtracked
on her own report, BTW. Die Shelley, die.
On ESPNNews just a sec ago
she just said that they were trying to finalize a deal at this point.
Was also delicious....
because she stumbled all over the wording of it, too “and….I…we’re also…reporting…that USC is trying to finalize a deal to bring in Norm Chow as their offensive coordinator.”
ESPN SHelly Smith has backed off on the CHow thing
saying they are just reporting a negotiation is going on
by UCLABruins4Ever on Jan 12, 2010 8:08 PM PST reply actions
Norm Chow 1
Shelly Smith 0
Don’t understimate Yoda’s ability to mess with the media.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
it was said
that he likes the attention…well he certainly has it now.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
SChelley has always been a major trojan homer
i don’t think i’ve ever seen her give a non-$c report. her job’s on the line here.
my stomach is
KILLING ME from the anxiety >_<
no shit
if they get Norm AND Monty, there’s a lot to be anxious about as far as football goes. I would still have faith in Rick to get it done, but that’s just because I don’t know any better having cheered for a .500 team the last 10 years. He could get it done under normal circumstances, taking SC on, but that coordinator situation and Orgeron? Damn. Rick would have to pull one out of his a$$ for the playcalling.
thoughts on mike martz?
i just knew he was a proclaimed offensive madman with the rams. im not advocating it or anything, but thoughts?
The drama
of the last 5 days is unbelievable! Stay Norm!
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Classy move, Ed O
Calling Tenn’s early enrolee’s, telling them not to go to class tomorrow, so that he can get them to ditch for SC.
formerly bruinhoo
Now that
should be a BLATENT NCAA violation!!!!!!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
No need to panic, folks
Whether he leaves or not, there’s nothing we can do about it either way. He’s not necessarily a great recruiting tool, and while he’s got some interesting offensive schemes, they weren’t Ernie Zampese-like.
I’d love him to stay, of course, to help with the development of our QBs. But if he didn’t work well with CRN, then maybe another OC would be for the better.
Formerly UCLA Class of 86
I agree
Norm Chow isn’t the only guy who can call plays for UCLA. And Rick might even be able to get someone who is more like him to get it done. Either way we have a solid recruiting class coming in and things have gotten better. The bad thing with Norm possibly going over there is we have to deal with those pompous, unclassy pricks all over L.A. now.
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