ESPN's Trojan Shill Shelly Smith Backtracks From Chow/USC Rt, UCLA Calls It "Incorrect," BRO Reports "Chow To Stay"
by Nestor on Jan 12, 2010 8:12 PM PST
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PrintAs we suspected in our previous updates something is smelling very fishy.
ESPN's Shelly Smith, a noted Trojan shill who slept on her beat for years never seeing the sleazy scandals unfolding at Pete's program breathless reported that Chow was leaving UCLA for Lane Kiffin's staff at Southern Cal. Multiple Trojan shills jumped on her story. Now apparently she is backtracking from her initial story.
As we noted in our last post, we received the following email from UCLA's Sports Information Director:
As far as we know, it is an incorrect report.
So there you have it for now. Hang tight.
GO BRUINS.
UPDATE (N): Now the LAT slows everything down saying no done deal:
Despite reports across the Internet, a deal to bring Norm Chow, currently UCLA's offensive coordinator, back to USC as offensive coordinator for new Coach Lane Kiffin is not done yet. A source close to Chow says while the two sides are talking, no deal has been reached.
Chow said recently that it “would take NFL-type money” to get him back to USC.
As they say, developing. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE II (N): Apparently Robert Kuwada on Bruin Report Online's premium board is reporting that Chow will stay. No confirmation yet. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE III (N): More precise update from UCLA:
The ESPN report that Norm Chow has accepted a position at another university is not accurate, said UCLA spokesperson Marc Dellins.
Shelly Smith has a lot of explaining to do. Her report was inaccurate, extremely premature and nothing but irresponsible rumor mongering on behalf of Southern Cal. She should be ashamed and should get fired from her job. GO BRUINS.
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Chow may not be lighting it up for us but he is a BIG recruiting tool
and this is a BAD time to lose your OC…with recruits wanting to play for him
by UCLABruins4Ever on Jan 12, 2010 8:20 PM PST reply actions
CRN
is going to use this whole ordeal across town to really let his presence be known for the first time (not through the athletic department’s ads). I’m confident, if this indeed turns out to be true, that he’ll do something that will both garner attention, and most importantly, make sense.
Like someone else mentioned, there was all that talk when CRN first arrived about who’s going to make the offensive decisions, and the whole NC thing almost felt contrived at times, rolling with him just cause he is who he is. If anything, CRN will get a good hire in there with a similar offensive philosophy.
We’ve got an offensive, QB-first guy as our head coach. We’ll be aiight.
Coaching turnover HURTS
We get CRN, CHOW keep Walker 2 years ago. Last year Walker leaves. If we lose Chow, it really does hurt. Consistency, especially in offensive schemes/playcalling really helps. And Chow leaving, regardless of who replaces him, hurts us in the short term. And we need the momentum.
To Denigrate Norm Chow because of irresponsible reporting is nuts.
I just got onto BN in time to read the wailing and name calling and the “we’d be better off without him” posts in another thread.
Why? Because some reporters are creating a story?
There is no reason to react negatively, now. If the story proves to be true, you will have plenty of time to vent.
But, saying bad things now is unfair to CNC.
I think one of the things I most dislike about all blogs is how people use them to vent their frustration. The story becomes about them. And, in doing so they say things that can hurt our players and coaches — none of whom deserve the personal attacks.
Can we all just chill a bit? See the best in people until they show us their worst?
I like CRN a lot. More than I thought I would when we hired him.
I believe he is a man of faith, integrity and conviction. I just don’t see him leaving for sc.
So, I’ll not torment myself until he’s gone.
And, if he leaves, I’ll call upon one of my favorite sayings: “For every door that closes, a better one opens. It’s our job to find it”. If he goes, I think we will find the other door on a pirate ship somewhere in TX.
sjh
All of these same reporters were using the same sources to "create the story" about Carroll
If Chow is negotiating with SC…it is purely about money and he will leave because we cannot pay him.
by UCLABruins4Ever on Jan 12, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
If he leaves, we will deal with it.
No reason to say nasty or ugly things now.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Jan 12, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Norm Chow is a good man--just please don't leave
You’re right. Blog talk can lose perspective. Coach Chow coached at the Figueroa Fraud Diploma Factory and we welcomed him with open arms and now that he is willing to see if the trojans will offer him a couple of million bucks there is no reason to put him in the same moral category as Carroll. And if he goes there, we’ll beat him. We are in he ascendancy and they are in the descent.
But the journalism at issue is indefensible.
by peggysue69 on Jan 12, 2010 8:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
More from the Knoxville newspaper:
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2010/jan/12/students-fans-greet-kiffin-obscenities/
Funny quote from Kiffin in their newspaper’s lead article: "I really believe this is the only place I would have left here to go."
its gotten worse since then
apparently its called “the rock” and has been a place for students express themselves for years
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Yeah, it had a lot of the same stuff right before Fulmer was fired last year
This is a UT tradition, believe it or not. ;)
One reason he might leave
would be to give a final, gigantic, Oprah-sized F*** you to Cheatey.
Formerly UCLA Class of 86
how do you know that's a chow quote?
you trust the LA Slimes? Have you ever seen that quote before?
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Chow quote is old, BUT...
… it also says NC is due $690,000 next year, PLUS a $250K bonus if he’s coordinator as of April 1.
Take it for what you will.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
SO does the $690K include the $250K or is it in addition to?
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
NFL type money
is at least 2,000,000 for a coordinator. Unfortunately SUC can make that happen I think and Norm hated Pete, not USC.
I will not let the media
and U$C mess with me, and that’s exactly what they’re trying to do.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Well, if they took UT's staff
they were basically paying them NFL coordinator money. They were getting paid a ridiculous amount of $$.
I'm still trying to rack my mind for a reason
as to why Chow would leave. It’s either money or the relationship between Neuheisel and Chow is a lot worse than most of us were led to believe.
that's what the SC Times is reporting
Bruins Forever
by bruinsince69 on Jan 12, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
someone posted a great quote by chow about how money doesn't matter at all
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
Can he opt out of his contract to play for another team?
I don’t see any reason why we would let him leave to play against us. Even if we save $1 million.
from the reports
they make it sound like he can do what he wants
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
from my understanding
he needs permission from UCLA
Depends on how the K is structured
If anyone with some amount of brain matter drafted the contract for Morgan Center, UCLA has to agree to the opt out/Buyout.
However, no one has ever gone broke underestimating the stupidity of Morgan Center
formerly bruinhoo
Another reason why this is really bad right now
IS cause of the budget cuts. $C can offer him a ton of money, not sure we can come up with anything when the state and school is hurting real bad.
If it'll help, I'll donate $50 to the UCLA Athletic Fund this month.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Athletic funding is seperate from University funding
While giving a coach a large pay raise during the UC’s fiscal crisis may be bad PR, the money would be coming from alums/boosters/Adidas, and not the state.
formerly bruinhoo
is there anyone we can get to be a defensive coordinator?
CRN can probably handle all the offensive duties
by dhuang90 on Jan 12, 2010 8:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bullough rubs some people the wrong way...
… at least (the first) half of the time.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
by Meriones on Jan 12, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone see the Kiffin press conference?
Wow, talk about tense.
You can almost feel the shock and disbelief and anger
ya didnt answer a single quetion
probably on a deadline to get to his armored car so he can get the hell out of there
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
No doubt
If I were a Tennessee fan right now… man, talk about a sense of betrayal. We just earned a whole new legion of fans.
There has to be video of this
Some Vols fan must have taped this, no?
haha ya
they seem to think muschamp may replace kiffin though, I wonder who they’d root for next year? Although I’ve also heard that Muschamp plans to wait in line for Mac to retire and become AD
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I already liked the Vols for being classy in previous games, and this seals it for me.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
I read on RTT that he agreed to a press conference only on the condition that there would be no questions
So he’s a coward in addition to everything else. Oh, how perfectly he fits in over there. It’s like a hand into a glove or a … well, I was thinking of a trOJan, so make of that what you will.
Can't believe what RTT is saying about Oregeron
“Wow, Orgeron told kids not to go to class!
We have heard from multiple sources, including defensive tackle Marlon Walls that Ed Orgeron was on the phone tonight with some of the early enrollees telling them not to go to class tomorrow and attempting to begin the process of recruiting them to USC."
As someone mentioned in a previous post
that’s got to be some kind of recruiting violation
You figure it has to be, right?
I am definitely not too knowledgeable about the various recruiting details, but even if it isn’t against the rules, its shady as hell. But then again, we already knew that given that they stabbed Tennessee in the back. Not just one of them, but all of them as an entire unit.
Those 5 words
are going to be written a lot around here in the next few years.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
And the NCAA Infractions committee
will be scratching their heads and asking the same question…..
It was amazing to hear him talk about how he left the program in
in a better state than it was 14 years ago…
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Someone at RTT got ahold of Layla Kiffin's cell phone
Ah, SEC fans. Gotta’ love ’em.
AWESOME
+1 for that, sounds like a pissed off insider leak
How does his father
let him do this? Does the whole family have NO morals?
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I'm confused about Chow's contract...
…and his ability to leave when he chooses or whether UCLA has the final say. Can anybody elaborate?
As far as I know, Non-compete clauses in employment contracts are NON-enforceable in California
by UCLABruins4Ever on Jan 12, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
yep, that is my understanding
but is that the only issue?
Bruins Forever
by bruinsince69 on Jan 12, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
We haven't seen the exact K of course
But the bottom line is he is under K with UCLA till next year so UCLA will have a huge say in what terms he can go, if he wants to leave. Jon Gold was just on the radio apparently calling this a “50/50.” So apparently he is backtracking as well.
on what grounds could UCLA keep him
if he wants to go? without this, how much say would we have?
Bruins Forever
by bruinsince69 on Jan 12, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Can someone explain to me how Jon Gold can possibly know what's going on?
I read that this started with Dickie V saying something on a basketball broadcase. “Hey, bay-bee, did you see …. Wait a minute. Getting a phone call. Hey, Normee, bay-bee. Oh, you’re leaving UCLA for just$c and you felt you had to call someone? Well thanks for calling, bay-bee.”
I reiterate. When I was with an airline, my department started a rumor that we were being acquired by Winchell’s Donuts. That rumor got all around the buliding, and when it got back to me guys were ecstatic, because they thought we would get free donuts in the morning.
It may happen, but I think we should un-bunch our panties and relax.
You realize that Jon Gold calling it 50 50 means he has no idea whatsoever. “Yeah, I have deep insight into the process, and it could go either way.” That means I got no freakin’ clue, but I’ve left myself a good way out no matter which way it goes.
Yes sir, I’ve got it on good authority (three wealthy and influential alumni and several anonymous sources) that Nestor is going to start a new blog extolling the virtues of just$c. I’m calling this at 50-50. (next day.) Well, I called it folks. You heard it first here. Nestor is NOT starting a pro-$c thread, just as I predicted.
It’s all a bunch of crap, in my opinion. Coach Chow either leaves or stays. The weenies on TV or on radio or on ESPN have no greater insight than anyone else. They just read each other’s reports and all of a sudden they’ve got sources.
I read that this started with Dickie V saying something on a basketball broadcase. "Hey, bay-bee, did you see …. Wait a minute. Getting a phone call. Hey, Normee, bay-bee. Oh, you’re leaving UCLA for just$c and you felt you had to call someone? Well thanks for calling, bay-bee."
LOL
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Mr. Pulitzer, can you take a call from ESPN
It’s called bad journalism.
by peggysue69 on Jan 12, 2010 9:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If anyone knows exactly what it says we would have heard by now.
I have a really hard time believing we would release him to play for $c. If he can terminate it himself maybe he can go across town. If I were to write a contract for a coach I assume I would put in a clause that prohibits my coach from leaving in the middle of his contract to coach the main competition, but unfortunately for me I don’t write eight figure contracts for a living.
I would like Norm Chow to stay, and
until he says something on record, nothing’s official. Unless I missed something, he’s still OC at UCLA.
But if the rumors are true, I agree it will hurt our recruiting, but only to the extent that the NCAA doesn’t limit scholarships, TV time. The NCAA hasn’t given any reasons for anyone to be confident that they will actually enforce the rules against USC, but let’s look at the events of recent weeks:
1. Joe McKnight revelations come to light before Emerald Bowl.
2. USC announces self-sanctions/sacrifice of Men’s Basketball in light of reported recruiting violations.
3. Pete Carroll bails out to coach an underperforming NFL team, no offense to any Seahawks fans.
4. Yahoo Sports reports that NCAA has completed its investigation.
5. USC hires Lane Kiffin, a coach with known compliance issues and a questionable reputation, to be head coach after failing to hire other coaches. Kiffin brings Ed Orgeron and Monte Kiffin along for the ride.
Even without Chow, Kiffin will have a capable staff with good players. That out of the way, USC is still a program under a shadow. The recent actions of USC personnel suggest to anyone watching the NCAA will deliver something more than a slap on the wrist. Maybe I’m misreading the signs, but let’s see how well they can recruit if they have to deal with reduced scholarships, postseason bans or TV bans.
New Here
New here on SBNation. I have been following Bruinsnation ever since CRN got here and this is the craziest week i have ever seen.
its surreal
with norm rumors, lane coming to SC, and rioting in knoxville
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
the rioting is the craziest
I guess SEC fans are a more passionate bunch.
not much but
http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/index.php/topic,45071.0.html
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
thats already getting me fired up
I’m goign to scream myself horse next year in the rose bowl
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Welcome aboard, fasten your lap-strap.
Around here, it’s BYOH – bring your own helmet.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Hypothetical senario: If Chow leaves, who would be a good replacement?
Not saying that he will, BUT IF he did, who would be in line to replace him?
my toejam friend keeps calling me to tell me that
“it’s done with chow. We got him back.” He keeps quoting that wolf says it’s a done deal
By the way, over at Conquest Comicals
they have a thread called “The Official Scott Wolf is a Moron Blog.”
So take what that guy says for what it’s worth. Even the brain surgeons at the Comicals think he’s a douchebag.
I can't help but think...
…that with Lame being hired, sanctions coming on strong, recruiting violations occurring TONIGHT, and so so so much more, things are looking up, no matter what happens.
UCLA is in a good place right now. I have the utmost faith in CRN. Can’t wait for football season.
from Brandon Willis
“UCLA is still in the mix. I won’t stay in the state. And I won’t go to Tennessee. They had the nerve to call me and ask me to come to Southern Cal.”
Sounds like we have a good shot at this kid? He can take revenge on the coaching staff that betrayed him.
by dhuang90 on Jan 12, 2010 8:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Link?
I can’t believe they would commit such an obvious violation. Amazing.
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 12, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
that definitely
sounds like a recruiting violation.
i saw it on the BRO forum
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=12&f=1738&t=5453649
someone perused the vols board and found that. orgeron also called several kids telling them not to go to class and trying to get them to go to sc, thats definitely a violation
The recruit, Willis
Also said “Auburn just called me” so is everyone committing violations, or are we missing something?
i was a little puzzled by that too
although i dont know the exact nuances of no contact week
from ncaa.org
(9) January 11-14, 2010, Dead Period [except for (a) below]:
(a) Institutional staff members may have contact with a prospective student-athlete who has been admitted for midyear enrollment, provided the prospect has signed a National Letter of Intent or other offer of admission and/or financial aid to attend the institution and is required to be on campus to attend institutional orientation sessions for all students.
text copied from pdf, so apologies if formatting sucks. Original at
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/Legislation%20and%20Governance/Eligibility%20and%20Recruiting/Recruiting/Recruiting%20Calendars/
read this somewhere:
# January 11-14: Dead Period, though staff are allowed to have contact with recruits who have been admitted for mid-year enrollment.
From someone’s sig line on BRO.
ah that explains it
Willis was about to start school tomorrow
A Gray area to be sure ...
Is Orgeron still “staff” once he has committed to ‘$C? And if the contact is for recruiting purposes on behalf of another school, is that allowed? Still wouldn’t explain how Auburn would be legitimately allowed to contact a Tennessee recruit.
Lane Kiffin was just sighted on American Idol
Simon told him he was good enough to coach on a cruise ship.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I'll get it right this time because I'm not on my phone
fuck yeah Nestor!
And his source is ....
Fox 71 reports “Chow is going to stay.”
That’s two reports, so it’s an absolutely sure thing.
Norm Chow rumor is a smokescreen
They want the recruits to go anywhere but UCLA….
I hope you're right.
It would be nice to find out if this was just another just$c dirty trick designed to cost us recruits. If that’s what it turns out to be, I wouldn’t want a kid who still thought just$c* was a good fit for him.
which means
he isn’t the man I think he is. That is why, from all that I have heard, that Chow will stay.
When it becomes official
U$C will look even worse than before, and so will ESPEN the magazine.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
All I have ever heard
is that he is a man of integrity. We’ll see
HAVE. FAITH.
Faith… that the universe will work out as it should.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
ESPN = BS
They already changed it so it shows that Norm chow is negotiating a deal…. hiding their mistakes….
ESPN boycott.
So starting today, not watching ESPN unless no choice to watch the games.
ESPN's idea of journalism
HEADLINE: Norm Chow negotiating deal to return to USC
ACTUAL EVENTS TRANSCRIPT
Mike Garrett calls Norm Chow on the phone:
NC: Hello?
MG: Norm?
NC: Yes?
MG: Norm, it’s Mike Garrett.
NC: The investigators already called me last week.
MG: No, I’m not calling about that.
NC: What is it?
MG: Do you, uh, want to come back as Offensive Coordinator at SC?
NC: What? Why not head coach? Whose gonna be the coach?
MG: We’ve got Lane!
NC: (Pause) Ha Ha Ha HA HA AHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
MG: Hello? Hello? Quick someone call ESPN. Norm and I are in negotiations!
Actually, it went this way
HEADLINE: Norm Chow negotiating deal to return to USC
ACTUAL EVENTS TRANSCRIPT
Mike Garrett calls Norm Chow on the phone:
(Phone): Ring … Ring … Ring … Ring.
Hello, no one is available to take your call. Leave your name and number and I’l call you back as soon as I can. (Beep)
MG: Norm, give me a call please. Please, I really need you to call. Thanks. (Click)
MG: Hello? Hello? Quick someone call ESPN. Norm and I are in negotiations!
Now, if Chow leaves
and I hear that Paul Hackett is being considered as the new OC……I know the world is coming to an end… LOL
Gold says CRN is staying
Here is the latest
After hearing from multiple sources that Norm Chow was negotiating with USC, I am now hearing that he is going to stay at UCLA. I’m getting this from people very, very close to the UCLA situation.
The storm isn’t over yet though, but some sunshine coming through.
I just posted that I had it on good authority that Coach Chow was in negotiations with just$c, but no one called me.
Another case of geezer discrimination. I have as much inside info as any of these other folks. It’s just that I’m older. That’s geezer discrimination if I’ve ever seen it.
Everyone's chance to play "news breaker"
You see this all the time in the NBA with people having every player traded to every team (the most ridiculous recent one was Chris Bosh for Andrew Bynum). All these reporters hope is that one time out of a hundred they will actually be right. Then they will point to that one time they were right to show how good of a reporter they were while ignoring the 99 times they were wrong.
Anyone remember Gold’s prediction that Del Rio was the guy two days ago. Thats the sad state of “reporting” we have these days thanks to ESPN and reporters drive to get their name on the bottom ticker.
Shelley Smith
Is now on ESPN talking about USC talking with Norm Chow….not sure if it’s live or delayed from before.
Gold's twitter
Doesn’t seem to be updating that frequently, but another website to frantically check is another website to frantically check
by youplaytowinthegame on Jan 12, 2010 9:04 PM PST reply actions
If Chow's staying
I think this should be a lesson to our players. Don’t be idiots and piss him off with a ditch day. He wasn’t happy when they did it the first time, and I’m sure he wasn’t happy when they did it the second time.
Ehhh
It’s probably Dragovic’s fault
by lil eg not cs on Jan 12, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't play defense
or basketball. He plays playstation basketball.
Damnit, the only time I'm this glued to BN
Is during gametime…..
I hope that Chow stays with you guys...
…I think he actually has some class. I would hate to see him end up with Kiffie. I know you guys are just thrilled to have the Kiff back in LA. Now, go and put a righteous beatdown on his ass next season.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Tennessee Fans Should Be Celebrating
You got rid of a loser coach today.
So much fail
From Jon Gold’s blog:
Journalism FAIL said:
I have a source very, very close to common sense who says that Jon Gold is a terrible reporter.
by youplaytowinthegame on Jan 12, 2010 9:09 PM PST reply actions
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