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Gaming Out The Decision Making Processes For Norm Chow & Rick Neuheisel

It should be clear by now there is a lot of misinformation out in the traditional media thanks to some superb leak job by Trojan operatives about Norm Chow and UCLA/Southern Cal. It should also be clear by now Shelly Smith of ESPN appears to have used her massive platform afforded by the tWWL to get the Trojan spin out about Chow going back to Southern Cal.  To me and number of others here it appeared to be a massive smokescreen to cloud UCLA's immediate recruiting prospects and also turn a number of knee jerk UCLA fans against the Bruins' current OC (shame on all those people).

This morning Norm Chow's representative pushed back against Smith's hecktacular "reporting" through some carefully worded bites:

[S]ources close to the school told ESPN's Shelley Smith on Tuesday night that a deal is being worked on in hopes of bringing longtime offensive coordinator Norm Chow back to USC in the same capacity.

On Wednesday, however, Chow's agent, Don Yee, steadfastly denied that USC has been in talks with Chow.

"Last night's reports are false. There are no negotiations that are occurring. And, as of this morning [Wednesday], we have not received any contact from USC regarding any offers for coach Chow to leave UCLA," Yee told ESPN, adding that no media contacted him about the initial circulation of Chow reports.

Chow had not been directly contacted by USC, either, Yee said. If the Trojans do pursue his client in the immediate future, Yee did not reject the possibility of a deal.

"As his representative, I'd have an obligation to present any proposal to coach Chow but I have nothing to present to him," Yee told ESPN.

This morning little more than hour ago (someone can look it up via DVR) Smith maintained that Chow is being approached by highly influential Trojan alums and essentially seemed to confirm she rushed out the Trojan story last night without checking in with UCLA or Norm Chow. Just despicable and pathetic reporting on her and that network should be ashamed of itself (but given how they handled Mike Leach debacle, it's clear they are not capable of being shamed).

Now where are we on Chow. From what we have heard, I think it is reasonable to infer  that even though "negotiations" haven't taken place between Chow and Southern Cal directly, there are probably talks going on. I think it is reasonable to infer given how much cash Southern Cal alums have thrown at a proven loser like Lame Kitten (in what appears to be LOL desperation move), they are ready to throw piles and piles of cash at Chow.  Money is not everything but it is something. So with that in mind I want to game out a bit and analyze what Norm Chow and Rick Neuheisel (and Dan Guerrero might be going through) in their decision making processes after the jump.

Star-divide

Here are the pertinent reported factors I can think of right now;

  • Chow is Ked to receive about $690,000 from UCLA in his third and last year of K through the end of 2010-11 season.
  • Southern Cal boosters can most likely offer him something in the range of 1-1.5 million per year to easily make him the highest paid OC for another 2-3 years
  • Chow has reportedly developed great relationships with Kevin Prince (who he fondly proclaimed might be a Heisman contender some day) and other UCLA QBs including Kevin Craft (who might stay on the program as grad. assistant)
  • Despite the recent talent upgrade from last 2 recruiting classes, Southern Cal still probably has lot more talent at OL and at skill positions than UCLA, at least if were to measure the roster in terms of 4, 5 star blue chip recruiting talents.
  • Norm Chow is most likely in the sunset stage of his illustrious career with at most another 3-4 years left.

So let's start with Chow.  He might be in a situation where he is getting the full red carpet treatment from Trojan boosters offering him piles of cash and also promises to reconcile whatever difficult pass he might have had with Lame in the past (see links on BN from last night). Add to that I imagine, it also might be interesting for Chow to work with someone like Monte Kiffin, who fwiw seems to have the reputation of being an elder statesman within the coaching fraternity. So there could be a scenario, in which Chow could be potentially tempted to go to Southern Cal and finish out his career on an extremely lucrative note , while coaching a team which has more readily available (often allegedly bought and paid for) talent on its roster.

If he is presented with that kind of situation he has to think about it and then talk about it with Neuheisel and DG. Then it becomes a question of whether or not Neuheisel and Guerrero want to engage in a bidding war with Southern Cal. Here are some of the factors I can think of from UCLA's end:

  • In an economy that is extremely tight with the backdrop of coaches being furloughed along with other state employees (and high profile programs like Cal taking buses instead of charter flights, it worked out really well for them though), can UCLA justify spending around 1 million per year to Norm Chow?
  • Spending 3-4 million for a 3-4 year on Chow's contract could potential dry up UCLA's pool of funds for assistants (cough*especially if it is on the market for a new DC*cough) in near future?
  • Is spending 3-4 million now for Chow worth it to absolute ensure that UCLA doesn't suffer any kind of recruiting casualties (on the offensive side) this season?
  • Should UCLA consider instead making sure if Chow's heart is towards leaving than to get as much as possible before severing the remaining year on the K, so that it has enough available for a quality OC?

Of course the most important issue for Rick Neuheisel and Dan Guerrero is to find out whether Chow's heart is into staying Westwood. I am not going to cast aspersions on who Chow is loyal to but bornagainbruin made a very astute observation that Chow's heart is probably with BYU and he probably look at other situations professionally. Perhaps the experience he has at UCLA through his relationships with players like Price is a factor.  I don't know how much it is.

I think more importantly for Neuheisel and Guerrero they have to think about both short term and long term ramifications for getting into a bidding war with Southern Cal. Is ensuring locking up our recruiting class worth that amount of money (if that's a deciding factor)? Or if Chow's heart is not at UCLA, should we make our own run at someone as high profile as Chow whose heart would be in Westwood with the same kind of financial commitment.

I personally am feeling very confident about Neuehisel's decision making process in all of this. I think he is going to think through all the factors presented above and others that many of us don't see from the public sphere. I think Chow has done a great job at UCLA and also been a wonderful recruiter. However, I also have even more confidence in Neuheisel's ability to recruit his rear end off and his track record as an offensive coach and QB guru.

So we will see how it all turns out. For now though, I think it is wise to turn down the anxiety level specific to this decision. In the end we are going to more than all right with or without Chow.

GO BRUINS.

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Chow "hasn't been directly contacted by U$C"

but we can be certain (as you suggest, Nestor) that many Trojan alums have been directly contacting him.

by KSBruin on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

Yep

He is certainly being pitched through unofficial contacts.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

There is another factor here: CRN is underpaid

He is making 1.25 million (not including the cut). That is about half market value for a serious program.

If we were willing to pay 2 million or more — let’s say, what Ben Howland makes, which is 2.25 — for a higher profile head coach without the baggage then it is perfectly reasonable to offer Chow a million without hamstringing any of our staff salary. We could just think of it as a co-head coach price, and pay what most serious programs have to pay just for their head coach.

I don’t think Morgan Center has any excuses here.

by bluebland on Jan 13, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Uh actually they do

When coaches are being furloughed as state employees, they do have to make calculated decisions on what, how much they should pay taking into accounts both short and long term cost/benefit analysis. Don’t want them to make moronic Mike Garrett type of decisions.

Chow was awesome to get and we struck a great deal with the resources we had at the time. If we want to upgrade our commitment we need to do it considering all the factors and we also don’t know the total facts around this story.

If you want to make knee jerk attacks against CRN or Morgan Center around this, try to the BRO premium board where people were freaking out and attacking DG and RN as soon as Smith broke the story.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Who said I'm attacking CRN?

All I was saying is that he’s underpaid for a head coach, which should allow for extra resources being available for assistants.

by bluebland on Jan 13, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You seemed to be setting up an attack on Morgan Center

if we don’t pony up for Chow. I construed that as a general attack on CRN as well. I think that is incredibly simplistic and a message boardish, knee jerk take.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The Morgan Center has absolutely no cred when it comes to paying wisely

They’ve had a horrible history of cheapness, which has crippled every football search. So you can bet I am extremely skeptical about their financial wisdom. That doesn’t mean I would necessarily attack them if Chow left — certainly not if we replaced him with Leach, and ha ha ha — but it might very well just be another example of their inadequacy. So they got him while he was being paid by the Titans. So what?

Morgan Center cheapness has been one the biggest liabilities of our football program, along with Morgan Center stubbornness and arrogance. But no, I would not extend that blame to CRN.

by bluebland on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Recent history has been better with the Morgan center, but blueband is more than correct. They have made plenty of mistakes in both football and basketball over the years. Funding is always a big issue. Anyway, if CRN and Chow put the program back on the map they both will and should get compensated for it. But as it stands, next year will be huge!

by Bruin'96 on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What's the deal?

Why can SC get away with this meddling? Why can they have their lack of class lacky’s who try and negotiate behind the scenes? Does Coach chow only care about money? Are there chemistry issues with him and cn? Matt stevens put on his fb that CN wanted to start calling the plays? Who is coach chow’s alliance to? Our Sc pockets so deep, that they can just burying all the allegations? I HATE SC…WITH A PASSION.

by jaybru777 on Jan 13, 2010 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I think we’ll be quite alright either with or without Chow. I see it as more addition by subtraction from SUC.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

If Chow wants to go, let him go

Forget the emotions or cries of betrayal. The last thing an employer wants is a guy or gal who’d rather be somewhere else. End of story.

It’s a big if, but it gets more likely by the hour as Chow does not appear in public to deny the rumors or simply say he is not interested.

Again, that’s fine. If he doesn’t want to be here, let him go.

The fact that he’s raised the offense from 111th to only 88th makes it easier, but even if he had made it the best in the country I never want people working for me that don’t want to be with me.

by uclahy on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Yep, great point

I would never want any disgruntled people working in my staff.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Is chow disgruntled? Or just HIGH MAINTENANCE?

Or does he want all the accolades and vindication that come with being a head coach? It appears to me reading his comments over the last few years, he wants the attention on him. I think we have to remember that CRN won at every school he was at calling the plays! I know the players can always feel a riff between coaches…I might be reading in to this to much. but, why does Coach Chow have his agent make a statement and not him?

by jaybru777 on Jan 13, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

I don’t hang out with him and don’t know all the relevant facts on how he really feels.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

We will have to deal with this soon enough

if he’s got only one more year left on his contract, the issue of job security will surely be coming up by the time next season is under way. Even if Chow fulfills his committment, where are we going to stand exactly one year from today?

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

this time next year

there might not be an offer on the table from $C, and we get the “I can live and work in LA” discount. CNC probably knows this is his only chance to get serious leverage for an improved position, whether he uses it to stay at UCLA with more money or goes to $C.

by britishbruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

We should offer chow a two year extention

(so he has three seasons left) at something between $750 and $900K per year. That is a very good salary for an OC. If he can’t live on that, or would rather be at SC, he can go

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we will be fine with or without him, crn loves ucla to much to let them fail. My concern comes from the class who would bolt? Who would bolt to $c? What prospects that we are looking at would lose interest?

by Marine bruin on Jan 13, 2010 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

One thing to keep in mind.

Lame Kitten and Ed the Ogre seem perfectly willing to poach UT’s recruits by illegally contacting them during the dead period. And, by going after Norm Chow, they seem likely to go after some of our recruits. Meanwhile, they have SUC recruits to keep around with the pending NCAA inactions looming. But, they only have so many seats at the table to offer. I seriously doubt they would be able to offer scholies to everybody if they all said yes.

It’s the same thing we talked about when news of Cheat Carroll taking the Seattle job broke. Sure, it looks like an opportunity to cash in, but then that would mean revoking Scholarship offers to some of our own recruits.

In the end, everything will be fine and things will go on.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

with the pending NCAA inactions looming...

Lovely phrase. Wish it weren’t probably accurate.

by Bruinut on Jan 13, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This is why the Bowl Game win was important...

… if we were just 6-7, after 4-8 the eyar before, it’s hard to point to signs of growth.

Three more wins is three more wins. Let’s see what kind of resources can be pulled from Adidas or boosters to keep the program on the rise.

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

A 3 Win Improvement Next Year

Would make Neu and Chow look like geniuses.

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If Chow leaves

I would hope he tells Neuheisel first and allows Neuheisel to have a replacement guy in place so that the announcement of our new OC can be made at the same time as an announcement of Chow’s departure.

Obviously Neuheisel does not have long to find an OC (for recruiting purposes) — if he needs to at all.

Personally, I hope Chow stays.

by palafox on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

If CNC Goes To SUC

You can bet they’ll will announce immediately, if not sooner.

by bru79 on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

This all goes back to the idea of modeling after USC

We can never compete with them in having a pro-style, pro-mimicking, pro-everything system. They have too much money. They will end up with the better pro-style staff.

It’s I argued from the start that trying to mimic the Pete Carroll model here — as CRN pretty said he was going to try to do, including in his BN interview — is a losing proposition. I think we need to try and be unique, with an unconventional offense that makes SC football look like the prehistoric museum that it is.

by bluebland on Jan 13, 2010 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

Warning

If you are going to be whiny rest of the day throwing out your insecurity complex about UCLA vis-a-vis the Trojies, I suggest you take a time out from all of this. As I said, plenty of message boards to freak out and go crazy. This is not just for you but for other commenters here as well.

We are not going to tolerate knee jerk, freakout, meltdowns here on BN without thought out analysis and perspective. Consider this a warning.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

wow, big brother much?

to misquote a much wiser man: I may disagree with what you whine about, but I will defend to the death your right to whine.

(for the record, I agree that bluebland is being a baby)

by hwn44 on Jan 13, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps I'm being a baby

But that has nothing to do with the point of this last post, which is all about “perspective” — larger perspective than what may happen with Chow. I think this is an issue very much like the Moneyball one. Do you play the Yankees game with 1/3 the Yankees money, or do you take an innovative route?
 
That said, it might be best to delay this discussion after the Chow news so I don’t blend in with the BRO brigade.

by bluebland on Jan 13, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Smokescreen for sure

ESPN’s new L.A. office bought this story hook, line and sinker. The reason SC’s athletic department is pumping this rumor is threefold:

1. Recruits are second guessing and, in some cases, running from commitments to SC in the wake of Carroll’s departure.

2. SC is sending a message to alumni and season ticket holders that they intend to put a competitive product on the field. If they didn’t do this it would tip off that they expect doom at the infractions meeting in February.

3. If the recruits are going anywhere SC sure as hell doesn’t want them at UCLA. They understand the Bruins are improving and the offensive line is our weakness. Coach Chow is recruiting O lineman. Since this is the recruiting dead period Coach Chow and UCLA cannot call the recruits to refute the story.

Basically they’re inventing a new style of cheating. Perhaps it wasn’t Carroll all along; maybe it was Garrett.

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

Good reads alcor

You sniffed it out pretty well last night as well.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

the issue here

is that CNC is complicit to at least some degree. He could quash this right now if he wanted. He clearly is at least open to hearing what $C has to offer, and in indulging that he is temporarily damaging our recruiting position. Not that I feel like he should rush his decision, just saying that UCLA can’t do much about this situation while CNC has the Morgan Center with one hand tied behind its back.

by britishbruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It's lot more complicated than that

And I am not going to explain it why because I wrote it up above.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

not disagreeing with anything you wrote above

It clearly is a complicated situation, and I don’t blame CNC for his reluctance to say anything definitive (and that has hardly ever been his way in any case…).

Just pointing out that $C can rumor monger all they like without us being able to defend ourselves with anything other than “that’s not true at the current time” and “coach Chow is currently planning on returning to UCLA for next year”, until such a time as CNC has processed the situation. Continued uncertainty probably hurts us and them (but they can also be lining up other people at the same time, something a bit more difficult for us)

by britishbruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is why

UCLA SID and officials should probably be putting in some overtime right now.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 13, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What Could They Announce As A Countermeasure?

Would it be legal if they came out and said SC must pay 5 million dollars to negotiate with Chow?

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Simply extinguishing the fires

the moment they are lit, as they appeared to have already done with the Leach rumor, would keep them busy enough.

We don’t need to stoop down to the SUCsters level.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 13, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

yup

with the Leach rumor we are in control; difficult for the Morgan Center to say anything about negotiations to which they are not a party at the present time.

by britishbruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Throw U$C's Upcoming Sanctions Into the Mix

And returning to the Troylets is less appetizing, even with a big raise. I suspect CNC wants to compete at the top level, including bowl games where his brilliance will be on display on the national stage. If the school to the east gets hit with moderate sanctions, it is going to lose a few scholies and a bowl game or two. If the NCAA releases players from their 1 year waiting periods, look for a lot to jump ship.

I don’t think U$C is the opportunity it might have been in 2001. It is damaged goods squared right now. And Lane Kiffin may not have CNC’s respect, either.

Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!

by Digdog on Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

Slightly OT..

..but I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while. I’m certainly not making any assumptions that the NCAA will act in any sort of rational way and penalize $UC, but if they do – what can they do exactly? Certainly eliminate some scholarships, which would be good. Potentially ban them from postseason play, which would be good. TV bans, which could hurt the Pac-10 and even UCLA (UCLA/USC game) but generally would be good for us. What else? If USC somehow got this “death penalty” i hear so much about, what exactly would happen to their program? Anything worse than I describe? Total speculation – but it’s certainly what they deserve.

by zinlinez on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

don't bother with the death penalty mention

That is only wishful thinking and falsely elevates the hopes of all Bruins and now Volunteers.

It is more realistic to hope for a package consisting of loss of scholarships and post-season bowls. NCAA will probably throw in the usual forfeit of previous wins which I personally think is meaningless. These types of sanctions will hurt sc’s recruiting in coming years which in turn may lead to a poorer on field performance and a slow return to the 90’s mediocrity they had.

As many before have said the loss of Chow will mostly hurt for this years recruiting class. Next year affected depending on who our brass replaces him with.

I wonder if Nottingham has already enrolled? Does he have a chance to bolt if Chow departs?

by 84 on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Here's hoping that honor and integrity holds out...

… and wins in the end.

Whether it involved Chow or not, as a parent of two small kids, I’d hate to see Lame Stiff’ em profit by this blatant lack of ethics and professional loyalty.

Dude sounds like some horrible Monkees song gone awry:

“Take the Last Train out of Knoxville
Come on, O, hang up the phone!
It’s so noisy in this rowdy student riot — gotta go
I’ve got no soul.

Oh no no no…
Oh no no no…!"

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

$UC and Kiffin

Rosenberg at SI.Com has a great article about the craziness that is the SC athletic department. He writes:

….Tennessee let Kiffin do pretty much anything he wanted to whomever he wanted. As he told SI’s John Ed Bradley last winter: “You can’t count the number of people we’ve run off because they couldn’t keep up, and I’m including secretaries. They had to go because they weren’t going to make it, and they knew it.”

Lame is a complete tool. You have to be a real piece of shaate to brag about running secretaries out of their jobs.

I have a feeling we Bruins are going to have some fun watching the upcoming implosion…

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/01/13/usc/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0cWtVRZL4

by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

Chow is apparently gone according to...

Nelson Rosario’s twitter:

@iamNELLZ Gotta add another nxgga 2 da fake list.. smh.. wass up wit LA.. can’t trust any1 mane. thts why I stay t0 and by myself

by bruinmike on Jan 13, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

An addendum...

It’s a very vague comment, yes. But after what’s been going on these last 24 hours, who else can it refer to?

by bruinmike on Jan 13, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd love to think

that it refers to
1) Dunder Kiffen returning to $C
2) some reality TV star
3) one of his nxggas doing something fake

but sounds more like CNC…

by britishbruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you get that?

I can decipher half of Rosario’s Text-bonics.

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

In English

“Gotta add another (person) to the fake list. Shaking my head. Can’t trust anyone, man. That’s why I stay to and by myself”.

Twitter will be the death of the English language.

by bruinmike on Jan 13, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

Good translation. I got about 75% of that….

by Bruin'96 on Jan 13, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

"That's OK, stewardess, I speek 'tweet'..."

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be so quick...

to trust players’ twitters after the debacle at the beginning of the season (which, coincidentally involved CNC as well, IIRC).

by b d on Jan 13, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not even clear he's talking about NC...

… and if he is, Prince or an upperclassman on the team better tell him to STFU and not panic.

Rumors can take fear and fester into facts.

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Nestor

I must comend you on this post. Very level-headed and well-thought out. I only wish I could be as level-headed in this situation. I think you hit it on the head. If Chow truly has a place in his heart for UCLA, he’ll probably come back. If not, he’ll explore options and make a decision that is best for him. I am hoping for the day where I see Chow on ESPN telling them that he is going to be a Bruin next year.

by muircoach on Jan 13, 2010 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

Not to spread more half-truths or rumors...

…and I know she has already backpedaled from her report from last night but Doug Gottleib just interviewed Shelly Smith on ESPNRadio and she said that it apparently it is some type of package deal for the two Kiffins, Orgeron and Chow…how much truth is to that? Who knows…Just relaying what was said…

UCLA - Champions Made Here

by seernst on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

I;'m hoping that means if CNC does NOT go...

… then Orgeron and Monte don’t either.

THEN, I would praise NC for levelling the new Lame Stiff’Em regime, and goading CRN into a game of “Can you top this?” in terms of making $C look like fools.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

uhhhh, i believe M. Kiffen and Ogeron are already hired.

L. Kiffen had told Tenn. AD Hamilton that SC had contact ed him on the weekend. Plenty of time to also have worked the daddy and ogre into the deal.

by 84 on Jan 13, 2010 2:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It sounds like they've already committed infractions as well

Monte Kiffin discussed a recruit on the air, Orgeron contacted numerous recruits during a dead period …

by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If you believe anything Shelly Smith says...

I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I’d like to sell… ; )

by SlyBruin on Jan 13, 2010 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

I've already got some...

…but it is in Lake Havasu…

UCLA - Champions Made Here

by seernst on Jan 13, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubtful Chow will go...

As Ben Franklin said, an easy way to make up your mind on a tough decision is just to make two lists: one for all the benefits, one for the costs:

Benefits:
More money
Better players
Higher profile school.

Costs:
Still not a head coach.
Possible sanctions.
Reputation costs from turncoating on UCLA (notice the hatred from Tennessee fans…don’t you think there will be Bruins approaching him at the supermarket with ‘Hey Norm….FU you turncoat!’
Loss of relationships with UCLA players.
Giving up on a rebuilding job half-done.

Now, the more money seems to be the single benefit that is really an SC point. If Chow stays at UCLA then we can expect to pick up more recruits, and for our profile as a school to continue to go up.

On the other hand, EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO GET A BIG PAYDAY, SUC doesn’t seem like the place to go because there are too many other costs. With the possibility of NCAA sanctions and the general mayhem over there, I’d be very surprised if Chow bolted. Who wants to jump on as first mate of a ship that is about to go down?

If SUC has offered him more control than CRN, and a load of cash on top of that, THEN the offer becomes more interesting…

Thus, while I am worried about this, at this point I’m not all that worried because it doesn’t seem rational for Chow to jump ship. If he did it would be a major victory for SC and a major blow to UCLA.

by selby4000 on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

That's it!

Norm Chow to be HC at Tennessee!

Shelley, you can report this and cite me as your source.

by palafox on Jan 13, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Sober

Good lists.

Another item in the “Costs” column: If and when, in the future, push comes to shove, CNC can be sure that Lame will not have his back. Oh sure, those past disagreements will be pansies and roses from now on…

It would take a lot of money for me to want to have Lame as my boss, rather than CRN.

by Bruinut on Jan 13, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok - I know we all feel like we've been played and put through the ringer the last 24 hrs

but how pissed is this guy – and his family?

UPDATE: QB Tyler Bray wasn’t one of the recruits that Orgeron called, because he had already practiced with the team leading up to its bowl game and thus would probably have to sit out if he transferred.(Although his father says otherwise.) Moreover, Bray’s entire family moved from Kingsburg, Calif., to Fullerton, Tenn., to support Tyler. So UT’s QB of the future is staying in Knoxville.

link: http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/features/rumors#1621 (at 2:59)

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 13, 2010 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

That's what REALLY brasses me about Stiff'em.

He sold these kids on a promise, and he broke it.

Seriously — I know a kid enrolls at a school, but for the NCAA to look the other way when coaches bail is grossly unfair. I can udnerstand not wanting to let kids transfer cross-country on a whim, but they have to cut them at least a LITTLE slack in situations like this.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I never listen to AM radio

here in Atlanta but for the past three days. The ESPN 3:00 show was saying that possibly even by getting into campus housing before classes start the NCAA considers you enrolled and on the hook for sitting out.

by BruinFanGA on Jan 13, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

this kid actually got lucky and doesn't know it yet

Got rid of the time bomb kiffen and tennessee will get a good hire. Opportunity to make up for the mistake they made last year in hiring the weasel. One door closes and a better one opens.

by 84 on Jan 13, 2010 2:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

this is whats absolutely despicable

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Jan 13, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

This tidbit is absolutely disgusting

Quote from Paul Richardson: ""I like coach [Rick] Neuheisal a lot and he has been personally recruiting me the whole year. I could possibly take another visit if I need to but I just don’t know right now. I’m hearing so much stuff and a lot of other schools are even telling me that Coach Neuheisal is going to lose his job, it has been crazy. Just a lot of negative recruiting but I like UCLA a lot and that’s where I want to be in the end.""

by bruinmike on Jan 13, 2010 2:13 PM PST reply actions  

Shoot, I forgot to the block quote, let's try again

Paul Richardson:

“I like coach [Rick] Neuheisal a lot and he has been personally recruiting me the whole year. I could possibly take another visit if I need to but I just don’t know right now. I’m hearing so much stuff and a lot of other schools are even telling me that Coach Neuheisal is going to lose his job, it has been crazy. Just a lot of negative recruiting but I like UCLA a lot and that’s where I want to be in the end.”

by bruinmike on Jan 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

our program needs to just show class and keep being honest

No better time than to think WWWD? CRN would be wise to have a sit down right about now with the Wizard if possible.

by 84 on Jan 13, 2010 2:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think I read somplace

that he (the Wizard) is being considered for the OC position if this Chow thing falls through.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 13, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Example of more bad journalism

From the OCRegister:

Bumped into Athletic Director Mike Garrett just now and asked him if an agreement had been reached with Norm Chow to return to USC.
"I don’t know," Garrett said.
I got the same answer from a USC spokesman.
Sounds as though, at the very least, a deal is being negotiated.

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

Bad journalism?

How about bad Athletic Directing? It seems like it’s his business to know…

by britishbruin on Jan 13, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't know

because it’s the alums and the boosters trying to bring CNC in to U$C*. I hear them at the gym and around town, they really think of him as one of their own as if he had been there his whole career. They’re the popular rich kid at school who is trying to get his girlfriend back because she broke up with him to be with the smart guy. It’s truly pathetic.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Jan 13, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

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