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Lame Kitten Appears To Be Just A Puppet: Hasn't Even Spoken To Chow Yet

That's the read any reasonable person should be making reading through the news updates. For example let's see what we have from Scott Wolf. Look at his latest post (as of 2:21 p.m. PT today; emphasis added):

Everyone should probably relax a little bit regarding the Norm Chow situation. He is flying back to L.A. right now from Florida while Lane Kiffin is flying in from Tennessee. They have not even spoken to each other yet, so even though USC wants Chow, whether there can be a comfortable pairing needs to be discussed.

So their new sleazebag-in-chief hasn't even spoken to someone who ESPN's Shelly Smith reported last night had basically joined his staff. This doesn't even pass the smell test.

Let's see the Trojan brass is so insecure about their new Man-Boy, Sleazebag-In-Chief that they are ready to shell out more than three million dollars for a proven failure who hasn't been able to win 40 percent of his football games?

Really Mike Garrett? That is your play?

Discuss.

GO BRUINS.

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When the news was flying around...

last night, I kept waiting to hear from anyone anything official. Nothing. If nothing else, $C certainly knows how to throw up a… an excrement storm. I keep getting the feeling that Neuheisel is sitting on something, waiting to make a play, and when he does $C will look like a bunch of tools.

by Captain Leebeard on Jan 13, 2010 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

Trojans have their presser at 5 pm PST I believe

My understanding is that UCLA has called a teleconference right after it.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Will LMAO if the tele-conference is so NC can call in and announce an extension with UCLA

Fingers crossed…

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't wait

I have no doubt that whatever happens during those two events, it will be fun to watch a provide plenty to talk about in the near future.

by Captain Leebeard on Jan 13, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with your read on things

One of the critisims of PC in recent years is that his staff became a joke after multiple defections and rifts. The decision makers at SUC (i.e. not Garrett) tried to build a staff from the bottom-up.

It makes sense that they wanted Chow and Ed O. – both were familiar faces and experienced tremendous success at the school. As I understand it, Kiffen was told who SC wanted to surround him with, and if he didn’t like it, too bad. That approach was also likely attempted with other candidates (including Gruden) but wouldn’t have been appealing in most cases.

What is up in the air is whether NC actually wants to work with Lame. I suspect that if SC tried to build the staff in this manner, they may have known whether NC would work with a particular candidate or not.

by Nars on Jan 13, 2010 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

Yep

1-1.5 million per year for 5 years (speculating here) is real chunk of change. I think Chow will have to consider that while UCLA has to consider all factors as I outlined in my post earlier today.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

So, to further this line of thinking

I’d guess, that Lame has some crow to eat in addition to the 1.5 million reasons that Chow might have for leaving. IIRC, there were some unfriendly overtones at the end of the Chow area from Kiffen directly.

I’m sure NC would have to set some ground rules to be happy working with Kiffen. Probably not too dissimilar to what likely happend in the CRN discussions.

by Nars on Jan 13, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Bingo

Although there is a big difference with CRN. Unlike Lame, CRN has a prove track record of developing super bowl champion QB, Rose Bowl champions, have guided his teams to multiple 10 game winning seasons.

Lane hasn’t done anything on his own. We can look up SuCsters writing when he was on his way to that 9-13 choke, they gave credit for Palmer/Leinart to Chow days.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahah

Let’s have a recap:

First, Cheatey bails on the program unexpectedly, taking his “staff” with him, leaving former recruits in the dark, and claiming that the Seattle job fell like manna from the sky.

Next, SC’s coaching search results in multiple “Thanks, but no thanks” from respected coaches. SC’s prized recruits then have wandering eyes and find a great, up and coming program across town with an energetic coach and offensive guru at the helm. PANIC AT SC!!!

(Here comes my suspicion)
SC wealthy alums likely hire a PR firm. They devise a plan to bring some “excitement” to the program by hiring a familiar name and running a campaing of misinformation in an attempt to deflate the momentum building at UCLA.

The problem is, we’ve been waiting. CRN is on top of it. He kept his cool when Cheatey left and anticipated SC’s move. He is not floundering. He is not swaying in the wind amongst these rumors. He is cool, calm, collected, and provides the recruits the assurance they need. We are lucky to have him.

by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 13, 2010 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

I Probably Shouldn't Have Been Doing This....

But I’m so damned upset with that Trojan shill Shelley Smith at WWL still saying that ’SC trying to get CNC is still the “last piece” to put in place. I went over to that “other” blog – you know, Conquest Chronicles – to vent on ’SC. Those idiots feel like, well, since WWL and Shelley Smith are saying it then it MUST be true.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jan 13, 2010 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

THIS IS FRUSTRATING!!!

Had we been able to just shut up these rumors given the amount of time we’ve had to close up some loose ends, we could have prevented $UC’s rats from infesting the airwaves and newstations with bogus information. Now we have to worry about our recruits and this smoke screen has made UCLA apear weak in an attempt to keep its staff together. Can we please have some ridiculously good news today, so I can sleep easy tonight?

by UCLABRU1 on Jan 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry Nes,

But granted we have some recruits saying they are solid. It could have been much easier for us to poach some recruits. Now $UC has the ball, and we’re waiting for them to call time. Its as if we are forced to wait for them when we could have an opportunity to run with the news of their recent departures… Just frustrating..

by UCLABRU1 on Jan 13, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

If we keep Chow

I’m sure we’ll use that to our advantage in recruiting against the Toejies. We just have to tell the recruits that we have the OC they were desperate for.

by bornagainbruin on Jan 13, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's remember here

They are in turmoil
They lost their do called genious coach out of the blue
They are under investigation with possible sanctions coming
They are having recruits waver on their commitments
They hired an unproven head coach with a losing record
They have an athletic department which apparently “lacks institutional control”
They have a basketball team which can’t even play in the Pac-10 tournament
They are looked at as being a disgrace to college athletics

Of course, they are sc

"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."

by S Jay Bruin on Jan 13, 2010 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

Lame hasn't spoken to CNC

But ESPN reported about 10 hours ago that Chow was going to $c*.

Somebody at Inheritance Hall must have been feeding (figurative usage) Shelly with her info, which says that these decisions were already made, (in their minds, at least). Why does their new 6th choice for head coach not get to pick his own OC? Who is really calling the shots over there?

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jan 13, 2010 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

In other news

Case Keenum coming back for SR year. Our schedule is murderous next season.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4823544

by BlueReign on Jan 13, 2010 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

See the USF game

Case Keenum is just one player

Formerly ucla13_usc9

by 03rdn9 on Jan 13, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

UCF.

Houston did not play USF this season.

by orlandobruin on Jan 13, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The bowl game

Was against some Non famous Florida school, tomato tomato

Formerly ucla13_usc9

by 03rdn9 on Jan 13, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh Oh,

You’re talking to someone who lives in Orlando. UCF fans don’t take lightly to being compared to USF.

Although, I will say this, and then disappear: Tampa is on the water. Orlando is not.

(leaves)

by CAJason80 on Jan 13, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

(Reading that)

Of course, I don’t live in Orlando, bu I bet orlandobruin does. ;)

by CAJason80 on Jan 13, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No problem

We are going to run the option with out next OC!!!!

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Please no

Please, please no

Formerly ucla13_usc9

by 03rdn9 on Jan 13, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

the coach that built their program

is now starting his second year at Baylor. I see a huge dropoff

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Jan 13, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sumlin is a great coach

and a strong recruiter.

They are tough and will remain tough.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Since it's time to float rumors....

…would Troy Aikman have any interest in becoming our QB coach?

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

I'm gonna pour gasoline all over this fire....

From Wikipedia:

At another halftime ceremony, this one on February 7, 2009 at the UCLA-Notre Dame basketball game, Aikman’s induction into the College Hall of Fame was honored. Aikman announced he had completed course work to finish his degree in sociology. He participated in UCLA’s 2009 Sociology Department commencement ceremony with current quarterback Kevin Craft and former linebacker Marcus Reece, who also came back to finish his college education. Former UCLA quarterback John Sciarra was keynote speaker at the ceremony.

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

That would have been so cool to see all those guys together.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jan 13, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Not Over 'Til It's Over

CNC could have ended it with an emphatic statement that no matter what he was offered, he would honor his contract.

Right now, the only statement we have from his camp is that sc has yet to contact CNC. And, that the rep would feel duty bound to present all offers to CNC should they develop.

Again, CNC could have instructed his rep to not accept or proffer any offers — a way of saying that he would not leave under any circumstances.

He didn’t.

My take is that CNC is probably enjoying the attention — nothing wrong with that. And, waiting to see what both schools will do.

Unfortunately, in academic circles, getting an offer from another school is often the only path to a big raise. It sucks because one who really does not want to leave or play games is at a disadvantage in the negotiation.

CNC could have taken himself out of all speculation — which would have taken himself out of a chance for a raise at UCLA.

So, one strategy could be that he is going to listen to sc and see what UCLA will do to keep him.

Best case, we do enough — whatever that is, and he stays.

Second best, he stays as a matter of principle — he honors his contract. I put this in second place because in my experience as an academic, salary negotiations are often what one looks at to see just how much he is loved. Staying on principle, after having not been offered a significant boost — equal to what was offered by another school, often ends up with an employee who is less than happy and somewhat resents the employer. He stays because he has a contract, but he’s not a happy camper.

Third, he leaves. In one way, that is the worst case. But, I have confidence that we will keep a big chunk of our recruits and that we will have a great, new OC. There may be a collateral benefit, too. CRN may take more responsibility for the QB’s and O; he may not be Chow, now — but he will grow. CNC may not be here much longer, no matter what. CRN will be.

Bottom line to me: We sit back and wait. We don’t call CNC names. We don’t freak out. Whatever happens, we will deal with it.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 13, 2010 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

Fanpos this please

Want to bump it to the home page. Thanks 66.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Done

Sorry I misplace these things. I just start writing and they get longer and longer. Don’t mean to hijack or change a thread.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 13, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Amen.

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Jan 13, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Something to take into consideration

Should Norm Chow return, UCLA would retain its complete primary staff for the first time in quite a while… the biggest thing about consistency is consistency

Formerly ucla13_usc9

by 03rdn9 on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

Don't want any links to Trojan fan blogs here

Unless they are affiliated with a traditional media.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2010 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

Strange Read

If that were true why would UCLA’s SID contradict it? Smacks of more lies.

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a though outside the box

I wonder if Carroll is even a little jealous of the fan reaction Kiffin got at UT. I mean they are rioting, burning shirts, giving out addresses, blocking the athletic department, etc. All Carroll got was some pathetic candle light vigil that about 12 people went to.

"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."

by S Jay Bruin on Jan 13, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

I was thinking the SC fans are passionless

If Pete Carroll did the same things at Oklahoma or Notre Dame as he did at SC, the fans would have flooded the campus by the thousand.

by alcor805 on Jan 13, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't understand that business in Knoxville

The guy is a total ass. He hated UT despite all his talk to the contrary, he hated the traditions of UT, he immediately started media wars with other coaches which he couldn’t (and didn’t) win, and basically farted loudly all through church. Manners mean more than a little in the South. The kids at my church call me sir, which is a little unsettling, but they mean it. In this portion of the country, Lame didn’t understand that he had to act like a gentleman at least some of the time, even if he wasn’t a gentleman. Instead, he acted like a mannerless boor.

Then there was the football side of things.

With all that, I would have thought there would be massive celebration when he left, as occurred here a couple of years ago. There should have been hundreds of Vols volunteering to help him pack and drive him to the airport.

I guess when you are a sneak thief in addition to being a punk, you are going to evoke reactions like that. Maybe I understand it after all.

by Fox 71 on Jan 13, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

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