Re. Chow: It's Not Over 'Til It's Over
by Class of 66 on Jan 13, 2010 3:50 PM PST
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CNC could have ended it with an emphatic statement that no matter what he was offered, he would honor his contract.
Right now, the only statement we have from his camp is that sc has yet to contact CNC. And, that the rep would feel duty bound to present all offers to CNC should they develop.
Again, CNC could have instructed his rep to not accept or proffer any offers — a way of saying that he would not leave under any circumstances.
He didn’t.
My take is that CNC is probably enjoying the attention — nothing wrong with that. And, waiting to see what both schools will do.
Unfortunately, in academic circles, getting an offer from another school is often the only path to a big raise. It sucks because one who really does not want to leave or play games is at a disadvantage in the negotiation.
CNC could have taken himself out of all speculation — which would have taken himself out of a chance for a raise at UCLA.
So, one strategy could be that he is going to listen to sc and see what UCLA will do to keep him. I will go over the scenarios after the jump.
Best case, we do enough — whatever that is, and he stays.
Second best, he stays as a matter of principle — he honors his contract. I put this in second place because in my experience as an academic, salary negotiations are often what one looks at to see just how much he is loved. Staying on principle, after having not been offered a significant boost — equal to what was offered by another school, often ends up with an employee who is less than happy and somewhat resents the employer. He stays because he has a contract, but he’s not a happy camper.
Third, he leaves. In one way, that is the worst case. But, I have confidence that we will keep a big chunk of our recruits and that we will have a great, new OC. There may be a collateral benefit, too. CRN may take more responsibility for the QB’s and O; he may not be Chow, now — but he will grow. CNC may not be here much longer, no matter what. CRN will be.
Bottom line to me: We sit back and wait. We don’t call CNC names. We don’t freak out. Whatever happens, we will deal with it.
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Good analysis
I hope that we end up with something between option 1 and 2 – we don’t match whatever silly number $C has to throw at him, but we give him a boost that lets him know we think he’s done a good job and would like him to stay to finish what he has started.
I don’t want to pay over the odds for him, but I also don’t want him to stay purely from obligation. I hope a combination of Morgan center love, honor and some excitement about building something at UCLA with KPrince and company overcomes the money being offered at $C.
My hope too
We should give him a boost to recognize his value and to symbolize that we want to keep him.
If salary becomes the only consideration, we will lose, in one way — he will leave. But, we will be fine.
sjh
Good Post 66
Makes a lot of sense. Naturally I hope we find some way to hang onto CNC. Sometimes the grass really ISN’T greener on the other side of the proverbial fence.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jan 13, 2010 4:10 PM PST reply actions
Spot on
from what I understand, CRN went to administration early in the season to try to get an extention for CNC as was turned down, so to come out and take himself out of consideration would effectively taking away any leverage he has for a raise or extention. I can’t imagine him actually wanting to work for lamey.
$c's advantage is that they are not spending state funds
in time of crisis.
We may not match their offer — but the symbolism of an honest attempt to keep CNC may mean more than the actual amounts.
sjh
great point
I’d love for CNC to stay for the sake of recruiting and also because his defection would mean more ammo for insufferable SC fans, but I don’t think a public university like UCLA is in position to get into a bidding war for an assistant coach. Think of the big boy public football schools — Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio St, Penn St — they don’t have as high a profile OC as we do, yet they have twice the budget at their disposal.
I won’t be bitter if CNC leaves for SC. There should a number of bright offensive-minded coaches out there who would love the opportunities UCLA provides. I have confidence in CRN’s recruiting ability to get the right kind of offensive mind in here to fulfill his vision of our offense.
This just in
Southern Cal will fire AD Mike Garrett and hire another Hiesman Trophy winner OJ Simpson to replace him. This is an unconfirmed report, but word has it Simpson is working out of Nevada, and SC’s well connected alumni are working around the clock to free him from his “commitment” and join the Southern Cal staff.
Hey, why can’t we have a little fun on our side hehehe
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
Its true
There’s a post on the Nevada Department of Corrections Website that confirms this.
by peggysue69 on Jan 13, 2010 4:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yee
Don Yee is Norm Chow’s lawyer. Yee has an ethical duty to convey any offer from anybody to coach anywhere. Yee’s comment this morning was truthful and what he is required to say. And he knocked down all those false rumors about negotiations. Any other conclusions from Yee’s statement is wishful thinking by trojans and not a basis for fears by those who are lucky enough to wear blue.
by peggysue69 on Jan 13, 2010 4:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
One can instruct a lawyer not to bring in an outside offer
There is not ethical obligation to over ride a client directive to not bother him with offers, he is going to honor his current contract.
That is even more true when there is not litigation going on — because there are some court rules about having to present all settlement offers.
sjh
Agree in part
Sure he tell Yee to refuse all offers. But is it fair to Norm to suggest he refuse to consider anything? This whole rumor is not even 24 hours old. A thoughtful person should not get rushed into making big decisions. Mike Garrett and whatever his name is prove that. But you are right, we sure would be happier if Yee had said, “Norm won’t take their filthy lucre.”
It is unlikely Yee would say that since he is an adjunct law professor at the Satan Institute of Technology (sc) but be kind—he hold the highest honor in the land—a UCLA degree.
by peggysue69 on Jan 13, 2010 4:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Uggggh
Corrections:
1. “Sure, he can tell…”
2. “he holds the highest honor. . .”
I knew I shouldn’t have taken that grammar class from Senora Ross.
by peggysue69 on Jan 13, 2010 4:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We sit back and wait. We don’t call CNC names.
Exactamondo.
Who would not listen to your competitor if they were offering you DOUBLE your salary? Get real. Come on, CNC owes it to himself to listen. Yes they are the enemy but it is real money everyone is whispering about. (Though no one yets knows how real the whispers are.)
IF he goes because of the money, I will not hold it against him. Contracts in football simply dont mean anything. Maybe they should but they dont.
So yes, we should sit back and wait.
And for the record, I hope he stays after being assured we love him (which means more money.)
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 13, 2010 4:28 PM PST reply actions
They are reporting
On am 570 that Norm Chow is flying back from Florida this afternoon and is meeting with Kiffin this evening, where they are going to make him an offer of around 1.5 million. My feeling is he’s gone if that is true. I think the only way he does not take it is if they don’t give him complete control of the play calling, which is a possibility since Kiffin likes to be in control and call the plays. I’m still hoping by some miracle he stays.
710(vomit) is the Trojan station
710 AM was UCLA for over 40 years but now it’s Trojan/ESPN radio. If it’s 570 that would make it Petro Papadakis(sp?) another SC alum.
In fairness (something Trojans don't understand), Petros has not had any qualms...
… about blasting Leinart or Bush or Jarrett for being jerks/ douches/ stuck-up brats.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Here's the link to Petro n Money's show on 570
http://www.am570radio.com/mediaplayer/?station=KLAC-AM&action=listenlive&channel_title=
It could have been Lendell White who they interviewed “from Heritage Hall” between 3 and 4.
Yes
They were interviewing Lendale White. It sounded like PMS were just repeating what they’d heard in the MSM and not reporting on anything that has been substantiated.
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
Have faith, people. Faith that the universe will work out as it should.
If $C offers NC more than double what we can pay him, I’d be angry, but I’d understand if he went.
If $C offers that amount, and CRN finagles at least some kind of meangingful raise for NC, and NC stays, I’d be satisfied and pleased.
If $C offers that amount, and NC stays for little to no raise, then I’d have another reason to think that honor is not dead, and the already huge legend of NC will grow three sizes like the Grinch’s heart in the classic Christmas special
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Petros
They also said that is what Scott Wolf is reporting. They are both condoms so take it for what it’s worth. They are also carrying the Kiffin news presser live @ 5 pst.
The difference between them
Wolf is an overused, stretched out, discolored condom and Petros is a glow in the dark, fluorescent green novelty condom.
I talked to someone very close to ucla today. He has spoken with a lot of players involved. The bottom line is if $c offers him NFL cash he is gone. So let’s hope they low ball him. He also said $uc may not want to dish the amount it will take to get get him. But regardless ucla scheduling a press confrence tonight restores my faith in crn he is a fighter who will not let this program fail
I still have my fingers crossed
I hope the press conf is a combo of Drago leaving and Aikman coming on as QBs coach.
petros
was merely parroting the Wolf report and proclaiming that USC can come up with $1.5M to lure CNC away. I don’t doubt that $C can come up with the money nor do I think we should get into a bidding war. There are some bright offensive minds out there who could step right in and do wonders with the weapons we have and can recruit. It’s not like CNC took our offense to even Coach Toledo-like heights.
Am I Lame or Just Missing Something?
Again we seem to be in a world of geezers v newbies (X gens or Y gens or somewhere even beyond the alphabet) where once there was a contract and now there is none. Maybe cause I only spent 1 year at Boalt Hall (did take Contracts) I missed something that says a party to a contract may at any time break said contract if another party makes them a better offer. Of course I understand that in personal service contracts one cuts their own throat in demanding full compliance. But what I’m wondering is when did all this start? And where does it end? I think it began with the Curt Flood decision (free agency and all that stuff). We now seem to be in an era where very few athletes take their contracts seriously and neither do their role models in coaching; egged on by their money grubbing agent/lawyers. Seems likely we’re heading for the day of one year committments by prima donna star performers, and this has serious implications for our society’s values and institutions in general. Ask any first year law student and they’ll tell you: our entire economic system (if not moral and ethical systems as well) is built upon the sanctity of contracts. Contracts? What does that mean?
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