Chow Reset: Rick Neuheisel/UCLA In The Driver's Seat
So here is the latest on Norm Chow following Rick Neuheisel's teleconference yesterday. Let's reset a little bit again. Coach Neuheisel stated Norm Chow "assured" him that he wants to be at UCLA:
Obviously there's been lots of talk about Coach Chow and his situation. I talked to Norm as he was en route back from the east coast. He assured me he wants to be at UCLA."
The profession is one where you cert want a commitment. You want people who want to be there. I think NC feels that about UCLA. I don't think it, its exhibited. That being said, no one would ever be angry at somebody that if they got a blockbuster deal and felt like they couldn't turn it down. All I know is what NC told me that he is committed to UCLA.
However, CRN also made clear he is not going to stand in the way from Chow entertaining blockbuster deals being thrown at him (which makes a lot of sense). Meanwhile, on the other end it is pretty clear that Mike Garrett is the one making the run at Norm Chow from South Central (not Hello Kiffin). Garret came clean about that to the Trojan lackies at ESPN yesterday:
"I would really like to add [Chow] and a couple other people but the reality is I can only add them as they accept," Garrett told ESPN in an interview that will air on SportsCenter. "It's not going to be a bidding war. Lane [Kiffin] is going to have to go out fill the rest of the squad out. It's really Lane's call."
Chow's agent, Don Yee, said Wednesday afternoon there was contact initiated by a USC representative who expressed interest. Yee said the conversation was brief but both sides agreed to talk again in the near future. Yee said there was no prior contact or negotiations with himself, Chow or Carter Chow, an attorney with Yee's agency who is the son of the UCLA offensive coordinator.
As P observed astutely below, it's not clear whether Lamey wants Chow at Southern Cal and whether he will be able to check his insecure ego enough to give up the right to play calling. Given the context around Kitten and Chow, Kitten himself might not want Chow around at all, even if Chow is being pursued in a full court press by the Trojan booster $$ powered Mike Garrett. Lamey could say sweet nothings again and retract what he said at his joke of a press conference last night re. play calling. However, any reasonable person in Chow's situation would know that he is potentially walking into a toxic, cluster**** set of circumstances working under that idiot and at that renegade program if he were to go there now.
So where does that all leave us. The media is of course running with the easy angle in this story: money. As we have brought up multiple times, Norm Chow's K with UCLA runs through next season under which he will receive $640,000 through 2009-10 (yesterday I erroneously posted the figure of $690,000). From the reports we have read in last few days, it appears the Trojans are ready to throw substantial chunk of change to lure Chow, offering him multi-year K, which would probably pay him in the range of $1-1.5 million per year. So the question becomes for UCLA (Dan Guerrero and Rick Neuheisel) whether they will decide to extend Chow's K by offering him a competitive amount of $.
Chris Foster from the LAT reported that negotiations to extend Chow's K with UCLA had taken place before last two days of drama:
An extension to keep Chow at UCLA was discussed in recent weeks, the school athletics source said, but Chow gained leverage when Lane Kiffin was hired to replace Pete Carroll as USC's head coach.
That makes sense to me. However, I think money is not the only factor, which I explained in my attempt to game out the decision making process for Chow, Neuheisel and the UCLA administrators yesterday. More after the jump.
The knee jerk UCLA fans (again the idiots who were jumping off the ledge on Tuesday night as soon as they heard Shelly Smith's "report," really shame on you) will of course want UCLA to pony up the pile of cash right away. Neuheisel FWIW indicated that UCLA will consider upping Chow's K using the word "movement":
When asked if Chow - who is in the last year of a three-year deal that will pay him a $250,000 base salary, a $140,000 talent fee and a $250,000 retention bonus April 1 - would be considered for an extension, Neuheisel said, "Obviously there can be movement in that regard. That's for the people who sign the checks and make those decisions. With respect for me, I want to know that my assistant coaches want to be here."
However, as I noted I strong believe UCLA and Neuheisel need to consider all the facts before extending Chow's K which should weigh not just the short term benefit of denying the Trojan boosters a short lived win, but the long term interest of our program.
I have really enjoyed having Coach Norm Chow here and I personally want him to stay. However, I also want him to stay if Chow, Neuheisel and UCLA can work out an arrangement that will not only financially make sense for all parties involved, but it would also ensure the best working and stable environment around UCLA football. I am not worried if it takes few days. From Neuheisel's comments it's clear Coach Chow is going to do his part in helping out recruiting while he is here:
And as we read from Kevin Prince's comments and recruits who are coming in next year, we are going to be in good shape no matter what. We just need to ensure that all parties involved in the negotiations come away satisfied and happy. Interestingly it sounds like even the Trojans are recognizing is that Chow is leaning towards staying at UCLA.
At the end this is going to work out well for us one way or another. If Chow decides to stay, that will be awesome. If Chow decides to move on, we should thank him for what he did and wish him luck in remaining years of his professional career (he will need it should he chose to work for a clueless sleazebag like Hello Kiffin at a hell hole like Southern Cal). As CRN mentioned last night he already has a list in mind and moreover, he himself has more than credible experience when it comes to coaching up big time NFL and college QBs and guiding potent college offenses (prior to his return in a talent barren Westwood).
Either way right now the matchup between UCLA and Southern Cal comes down to Rick Neuheisel v. Hello Kiffin. I like our chances.
GO BRUINS.
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Totally agree
As I mentioned yesterday, it seems CNC could be used as a fall guy IF they let him call the plays. kiffin is not pulling the strings, he’s just pulling the check. I can’t believe our good fortune they hired this guy. This thing is bound to keep on imploding.
I agree with Al and about everyone else
It looks like just$c* made the perfect hire, from UCLA’s perspective. He has a proven record of mediocrity to start with. He is steeped in the just$c* culture of cheat all the time, even when you don’t need to. Unfortunately, Cheatie Junior isn’t as glib or as smooth as Cheatie Petie. Cheatie Junior lets his mouth run in public a little too much. His “call out” of Meyer, and his really lame attempt to skate the question about orgeron’s calling Tennessee recruits are a couple of examples. It’s suprising that he’s such a bad liar given his lengthy training under Cheatie Petie, and his own experience at lying. But the fact remains that he is a very bad liar.
I don’t see Cheatie Junior fixing the sanctions problems (that is, the things that happen that cause the sanctions.)
Right on all counts
I would add Yee and Chow are class acts. Yee (a former UCLA undergraduate) speaks with directness and precision. Chow speaks through Yee. Yee and Chow speak truthfully—they have nothing to hide. That is in contrast to the vagueness with which Garrett and Piffin (or whatever his name is) speak.
by peggysue69 on Jan 14, 2010 7:02 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Yee, is a UCLA grad?
That is an extremely interesting bit of info. I didn’t know. Did you read this somewhere or just knew it?
from the very mouths of the TrOJies..
this taken directly from their own blog that Nestor cited…
“w/o Chow — this a horrible hire. Kiffin flat out hasn’t shown he is a coach. Thank God he can recruit — and I pray his press conferences go better than tonight. Wow.”
“Let Chow walk-he’s not worth that kind of money given what he’s done since leaving us 5 yrs ago.”
someone please send the above to Coach Chow himself along with Mr. Yee. The fact that Kitten himself has not called Chow (from what we know of) is already a sign of disrespect ESPECIALLY if they want him so bad.
I just want to see Chow stay, get an extension and whip their behinds in November.
by the way, did you guys know that Al Davis, as he introduced Kiffin as his coach three years ago inadvertently called him “Lance” Kiffin?? Boy was that a great start to that relationship… Talk about a sign of disrespect, he couldn’t even remember his own coach’s name as he introduced him. Ultimately, it’s what Kitten deserved… he’s proven to be the flat-out ‘liar’ Davis said he was in addition to an immature spoiled little brat. In that sense, he’s PERFECT for $C.
LET THE DEMISE OF TROY BEGIN!!
Go Bruins.
Why are so many of us Trojans hung up over what somebody did in the past ? Football has no mercy on those who live in the past-we should be reminded by the Robo II hire. Chow is old; he has lost his drive and seems to still have resentment against SC-why would want somebody like that to be our OC ?
W.S. Montano Class of 1994
the last paragraph above..
is another quote by a TrOJie… mean to include in the previous two. sorry.
W.S. Montano Class of 1994
It takes at least $1M
Don’t forget, CNC was actually making $1M/year the past two years from the Titans K—our money really was just saving the Titans money, since they were on the hook for any remainder up to a mil.
Season ticket holders...
…don’t know if it can be done but as a season ticket holder I’ve got no problem paying an extra $15-$20 to raise money to keep Chow around. Assuming 20k season ticket holders, not sure how many there are, but that is $300k – $400k to add to a contract…
UCLA - Champions Made Here
We need to keep Chow
Beyond the Xs and Os he brings to the table there is a very real PR value for South Central if they are able to pull him away. I don’t doubt this is the reason they went after him in the first place. Someone mentioned in one of the other posts that it is an addition by subtraction for them to get Chow and I agree. By hiring Chow away from us, they would give the impression that they can push us around off the field as well as on it. We can’t have that. It’s time to push back and push back hard.
While I agree we would survive Norm Chow’s departure, there is an opportunity to win a symbolic battle here that would have longer lasting repercussions than the actual consequences of football costs/benefits.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Not worried either way
Since people will likely be hitting up this thread…Our recruiting class will be just fine and I don’t expect any defections at all even if CNC were to leave. James and Ward have already come out and said that they’re Bruins.
Well Jones per WWL said “Don’t get me wrong, I like coach Chow a lot but I’m a Bruin no matter what.”. Not linking since it is Insider content. Jones has also been talking UCLA up at the Army game and will be doing so again this weekend.
CRN on Dan Patrick - Chow is staying!!!!
Chow is staying according to CRN on Dan Patrick’s show!!!!!
Not sure what his exact words were
but he said that he is confident that Chow would stay. However, he also repeated that he would not stand in Chow’s way if he got a financial offer that was too large to pass up.
that's the word
CRN even tried to get Chow to get on the phone but he had just left the office.
by littlebrother on Jan 14, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
It would be awesome
If some can transcribe it and fanpost it. And then an audio link can be incorporated in that post as soon as it is available.
I don't have Jon Gold's typing skillz but here's a link
by littlebrother on Jan 14, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Best line
Neuheisel said that he has no problems if USC recruits want to switch to UCLA. He said some recruits have contacted him.
“They’re obviously fair game,” Neuheisel said of USC recruits. “Just like our coaches have been fair game.”
What a great line -- "Just like our coaches have been ...."
How refreshing to have an articulate coach with a sense of place and humor.
He is a PR dream.
sjh
"I spoke to Norm Chow 10 minutes ago and he said he's staying at UCLA," Neuheisel said.
That’s about as unambiguous as it gets. He also noted that all of the stories have been pushed via “sources” and talking to Norm directly is better than any of those sources.
I love that CRN is now going all out on the offensive. If SC wants to make a run at his staff, then it’s only fair that he get a shot at their recruits. Should be an interesting month with signing day coming up, and the NCAA infractions committee hearing looming.
I hope Chow stays
to keep the offensive consistency and continuity going and to keep an appearance of momentum away from the trojies. We obviously did not have the offensive weapons that Chow has had at his disposal in the past but I truly believe that we will back at the top of Pac-10 in two years. I hope Chow is around to see the fruit of his efforts and continues to be part of the resurrection of Bruin football. If he follows the money and leaves, I wish him the best. Hopefully we would be able to find a dynamic OC that will help get us to that next level. Either way, I have confidence in CRN to keep us moving in the right direction.
Just heard CRN on the Dan Patrick Show. He said he has spoken to several SC recruits (of course – no details). And, he said he is confident Chow will be staying. In fact, he even tried to get Chow on the phone but he had already left the office area.
CRN on Dan Patrick
I don’t know if it means that Chow is done talking to $C, but Dan did ask him if he is officially staying, and CRN said “I’m telling you I talked to him 10 minutes ago, and he told me he likes what we are doing, and wants to remain at UCLA”. So I hope that means that it’s a done deal.
Sounds like it but.....
If $c offers him a crazy offer that pays him 3-4 million a year, I’m sure he’ll be as good as gone. Everyone has a price hopefully from it seems, Chows price is higher than $c is willing to pay given all the past history of drama.
Here's my dream
Coach Chow goes on national TV and says that he recorded the last conference call with Mike Garrett and Lame Kiffin:
“Garrett: Coach Chow, we want you. We’ve decided to offer you a 5 year deal at a total of $12,500,000. Even if you decide to quit after one year, the money is still yours. We really want you over here.
Coach Chow: Mike, that’s a lot of money, and I will take it on one condition. That condition is that we end the cheating. Nothing, and I mean nothing, extra will be given to any football player. I will have as many people on my staff, reporting directly to me, whose full time job will be to do what the compliance department is supposed to do, and that is to look at every football player and make sure than nothing is going to him or his family, either directly or indirectly. There will be no more Reggie bu$h scandals, Mike.
Garrett: Sure, coach, sure, whatever you say.
Lame: Wait a second, Mike. Coach Chow, what are you saying here. Do you really want this to happen, or for us to just say its happening?
Coach Chow: Let me put it this way. If we find out today that Joe McKnight was getting extra benefits, then we do what the rules say we’re supposed to do. And if we find out that a player or a recruit is getting benefits, then he’s off the team. It’s pretty simple, Lame, we’ll play by the rules.
Garrett: Sure, no problems, Norm.
Lame: Will you shut up, Mike. He’s serious. He would bring our football program to an end. He would have us lose our edge.
Garrett: Sure, Lane, no problems. Whatever you say.
Lame: We’re hanging up now, Coach. Forget this call ever happened. You never heard from us.
Garrett: Sure, Lane. Absolutely. No problems. Everything’s good. I’ll just put the baseball team on probation.
Lane: Shut up, Mike. We already tried that with the basketball team and nobody bought it.
Garrett: Absolutely, Lane. No problems.
Coach Chow: I’m hanging up, guys. (Click)
Garrett: Sure, Norm, no problems.
Lame: Oh, shut up Mike, will you.
What happened
I got this from someone who is very wired into the USC program:
USC boosters approached Chow weeks ago and offered him the OC position BEFORE they hired a head coach. Chow was interested when they threw out their candidates… Mike Riley. Jack Del RIo, Jim Harbaugh etc.
But then they couldn’t get any of those guys… USC went to Jon Gruden, who passed when he was told that he couldn’t pick his own staff! USC people have been obsessed with re-assembling Carroll’s old staff and thought they could even dictate that to a guy like Gruden.
Anyway, this all led to a panic hire of Kiffin. I think USC people felt like the disagreements between Chow and Kiffing were several years old, they’d make Chow a big money offer and he’d come running.
But Norm Chow really hates Kiffin, considers him just a reprehensible guy. And Kiffin actually is arrogant enought that he doesn’t want Norm Chow on his staff!
Anyway, it looks like the worst has passed. UCLA has to give Chow and extension, but if he does he’ll stick with UCLA.

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