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Basketball: CBH irked by turnovers, focuses on JA

Bumped. Hey, everyone don't forget we have a basketball which I hear is led by some amazing, sharp "shooooooooooooter" named Ragovic. GO BRUINS. -N

Apparently CBH has used the extra rest time between games to work on fundamentals. In particular, he is frustrated with the number of turnovers we are giving up:

"You look at our first four [conference] games and we're shooting the ball well, but the turnover differential is 69-39," Howland said. "So 30 more turnovers. That's a big number."

Part of the turnover differential may be due to our flirtations with zone defense, getting less pressure on the ball and hoping to force poor shots rather than trying to steal the ball; but that is a lot of free shots our opponents are getting on us. More on this after the jump.

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Interestingly, while commenting on a number of turnovers due to mental lapses (such as ND giving the ball back to Stanford with an ill-advised full-court pass), CBH is working on basic technique with JA:

Anderson had only two turnovers in the Stanford game. Although Malcolm Lee had seven, Anderson's habit of leaving his feet, then trying to pass, is something player and coach are trying to erase.

"You have to realize that if you keep making the same mistake over and over, you're not a very good learner," Howland said. But he added that "the passes Jerime made at Stanford were good."

This is certainly a complaint that has been raised time and again here on Bruins Nation, so it is comforting to know that CBH is working on ironing out this problem. Unfortunately, the fact that JA has been under CBH's tutelage for over a year without grasping this basic technique issue for a D-I point guard doesn't say much for CBH's player development, and adds fuel to the criticism that CBH did not do very much to develop last year's freshmen (though his comment on JA makes it sound like he hasn't picked up on what the coaches have been telling him for some time).

With the benefit of extra days before the $C game, CBH also felt like he could bring in some old-school 'motivation' to maintain concentration and take care of the ball.


"We play, get a water break, then go again," Honeycutt said. "For every turnover, you ran. If you had four turnovers, you did four up and downs. We'd have a water break and go again."

Though as Nestor already linked, the following day saw Bobo go down in practice. Hopefully he'll be back soon.

One slightly off-topic comment: for people who didn't catch highlights from UNC's game last night, at one point shortly after half-time Roy Williams pulled his whole starting five in favor of an all-freshman lineup. Didn't help them in that particular game, but probably made a point to his team moving forward that no-one can coast by on talent, and that he is not afraid to embarrass individuals in the short run if it helps the team in the long run. It will be interesting to see how his team responds in the next couple of weeks to this tough approach, as it is similar to what some people have suggested CBH should do when our team seems to lack intensity.

Go Bruins.

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Really appreciate this post bb. Was going to think about hoops evening but you have gotten the ball rolling! I am sure Ragovic is really happy some of us are consumed with football. :-)

by Nestor on Jan 14, 2010 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

:-)

After I sat at my office until 9:30 waiting for Lame to say something about CNC and whether or not he would be coaxed over to the dark side, I realized I was losing perspective…

by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Really? Pulled his upper classmen for freshman?

Bold move. Any chance we can pull Dragovic to get the same result?

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jan 14, 2010 8:50 AM PST reply actions  

Same result as the Roy Williams incident

would be losing. By 19. As bb said, we’ll have to wait and see what results this actually causes in the next few UNC games.

by yarrrp on Jan 14, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember Roy Williams doing the same thing-pulling all of the starters

a couple of years ago.

Regarding our team, although the turnover differential may be due to the zone defense, the quantity and type of turnovers are not. Horrible passing and inept ball handling have been the two main factors. In the Arizona St. game, a victory, we moved the ball probably the best we had all season. Crisp passes and very little dribbling – a combination that was sorely lacking in the Arizona and Stanford games.

by kkucla on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 AM PST reply actions  

Not Zone

That may be a very small part of the TO issue but the bigger issue is JA is slow and has bad hands, ML is out of position at point and too often out of control, and MR is just to slow to be a real threat off the dribble and is best as pure shooter.

That said, I have faith in CBH. A team with JA, ND, and MR will never be as Nestor says Ben Ball Warriors on defense but if we improve on TOs as we have on other aspects of offense we will do okay this year in the PAC 10. .

by DCBruins on Jan 14, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

right

the zone comment is about the TO we are causing (I have no reason to believe that starting our offense out of the zone defense makes us give up more TO)

Against 3 out of 4 teams in conference so far, we have allowed them to keep their turnovers below their season averages:

AZ: 11 TO, average 13.9
ASU: 6 TO, average 11.5
Cal: 9 TO, average 12.3
Stanford: 13 TO, average 11.8

So, if those teams were just playing to average against us, we would have had ~49 take-aways rather than 39.

Meanwhile, we have averaged 17.25 TO over those 4 games, against a season average of 14.7.

So, if we were playing to average, we would have given up ~59 turnovers instead of 69.

I take this as: insofar as we have been doing particularly poorly in the turnover differential over the last 4 games, at least a part of this is due to us not forcing many turnovers. Some of that may be due to playing some zone and not pressuring ball handlers so aggressively.

by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it too much to ask?

Coach Chow walks in to the arena, goes over to Coach Howland and shakes his hand, then goes over the the just$c* bench and fans, drops trou, bends over and gives them the biggest moon ever. Then walks back to our side, sits down, and smiles.

I’d kind of like to see that.

by Fox 71 on Jan 14, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been so into the football story the last few days

that I almost forgot this weekend’s basketball opponent! To follow someone’s thought from a previous thread, it would be really cool to see Bruin fans wearing orange. Second on my dream list, after Fox 71’s idea below, would be for the Den to somehow all have Tennessee-orange shirts. Don’t see how it could happen, but man would it be great!

by KSBruin on Jan 14, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

oops

meant Fox’s idea above my post

by KSBruin on Jan 14, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy Williams

For as much flack as UCLA has gotten for being down this year, at least no one expected us to contend for a championship like the “top recruits” at UNC were supposed to. I’ve never been a fan of Roy as he has poor player development and a system that depends on superior talent rather than any sort of offensive or defensive scheme.

However, Roy’s benching of his starters at the start of the second half really isn’t relevant to us. First, he did it to coach/yell at his starters, not to evaluate his freshman as he spent the entire time that lineup was in with his back to the court talking to the benched starters. Second, in order for a move like this to be effective, you have to have credible replacement players to put in. If CBH were to pull a similar stunt, we would be looking at a lineup of JA, MM, JK, BL, and JMM (who is now hurt). Not exactly a lineup that is either going to win a game or strike fear into the starters.

by bruinponcho on Jan 14, 2010 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

sure

I definitely meant it when I said “off-topic”. But no obvious reason why pulling the starters to shout at them couldn’t be done by CBH if the situation warranted it (e.g. pervasive lackadaisical play, sloppy turnovers from every player, etc). I don’t know that the NC all-fresh-five are that much more credible – in relation to a decent ranked UNC starting five – than our bench players are in relation to our starters.

by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a question regarding Nelson's hard foul on Furd last weekend...

I have been obsessed w/football controversy this week and let my basketball brain go dormant. My DVR cut off end of the game/postgame with Stanford last weekend, and I never heard whether Nelson was called for a flagrant boxing out with “extreme elbow.” I’m guessing the penalty wasn’t too bad if he isn’t suspended from tomorrow’s game, but w/Bobo out injured we certainly need his inside presence.

by bruinmom on Jan 15, 2010 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

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