[Update: Chow's Agent Confirmation on ESPN] Neuheisel On Dan Patrick's Show: Chow is "staying at UCLA"
by Nestor on Jan 14, 2010 9:04 AM PST
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PrintFrom Dan Patrick's blog on SI.com this am(emphasis added):
Neuheisel said that his offensive coordinator Norm Chow told him he was staying and not
going toleaving UCLA."I spoke to Norm Chow 10 minutes ago and he said he's staying at UCLA," Neuheisel said.
Dan asked Neuheisel about reports Chow is interested in USC. Neuheisel said those are "sources" and we don't know exactly where it came from.
"I've got the best source ... Norm," Neuheisel said.
Neuheisel did say he wouldn't necessarily stand in anyone's way if money just got ridiculous.
LOL. Well he is speaking from experience! Talk about keeping the main issue looming over that train wreck of a program front and center. Right now CRN is running circles around Hello Kiffin and his bumbling entourage at Southern Cal. Updates on this after the jump.
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This week just keeps getting better and better.
Lane Kiffin reminds me of Captain Queeg at the height of the typhoon in the Caine Mutiny.
That indeed sounds promising
Now we just need to hear it officially from CNC or his agent and let the recruits hear it as well.
So regarding DP.
Lame Kitten was in contact with the DP show, to go on “today” or as soon as possible. I can’t wait to hear him, I doubt he can hold his own with the DP crowd like CRN does. Should give us some great quotes.
Have you seen TJ Simers today?
Normally I don’t like him, but he’s been on a vendetta against Garrett lately, and today’s column is worth reading for a good laugh. I especially liked: “Orgeron stood against a wall as if waiting for his mug shot to be taken when surrounded by reporters. First day on the job and he was already citing the 5th Amendment.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers14-2010jan14,0,5418822,full.column
He should be. He sees Garrett as being responsible for chasing the object of his obssession out of South Central.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
TJ is all about TJ
And Garrett’s been giving TJ the runaround for a while now. Simers’ column is a bunch of self-absorbed gibberish. But, I can’t blame TJ for taking issue with some of Garrett, Kiffin, and Orgeron’s double talk yesterday, especially since he was the one asking the toughest questions.
TJ may not be liked but....
He was the only reporter with the balls to stop the press conference and make Kiffin answer for his instant infraction. Kiffin tried to brush off the question and TJ showed he’s a real journalist and wouldn’t back down.
Regardless of what happens...
…this whole affair is a lesson in patience. I was certainly guilty of quickly believing the MSM and their outright lies – and I’ve learned my lesson. It’s a sad day when you really can’t believe anything anybody says.
Yep
Some were a lot wiser than I – as if they have seen this before ;) Fact is, the to be human makes it quite easy to generalize and want to see that either the sky is falling or the complete opposite. Hence, all the message board trash all over the web. Misery loves company, etc… Patience and the ability to maintain a sense of perspective are virtues and BN exemplifies those, for the most part. This is definitely my source for news – and guidance – going forward.
Zin, here's an easy way to look at these things
Think of who the ultimate source of the truth about the story is. See if that person is quoted by name. (Coach Neuheisel had a source for his statement — Coach Chow. That’s a good source for what Coach Chow said. An anonymous source is only as good as the guy who invents, I mean who quotes, the anonymous source.) And think of whether any person who might actually know the actual facts would be likely to give those facts to a reporter.
All the stories last night struck out on both points. To me, they spelled “dirty tricks on the recruiting front” by the school who boasts the inventor of the dirty tricksters as an alum.
Good advice Fox
I have a feeling that these dirty recruiting tricks are going to come back to bite the $UC OJ’s where the sun don’t shine. CRN is too smart for that – and he will make sure that his recruits, and perhaps some of $UC’s, understand what’s really going on.
And watch for the non-denial denials
All us geezers or almost geezers remember the Nixon/Watergate/All the President’s men lesson: you know when people deny something. Often they don’t reall (the non-denial denial).
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 14, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry about that quote, N, I couldn't help myself.
It was on spot on though
by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 14, 2010 9:16 AM PST reply actions
Still waiting on CNC
While I like that CRN clearly thinks we are now in the driving seat, his ‘if the money gets ridiculous’ out is still an out. Even keel, folks.
+1
Much more encouraging than CRN’s earlier messages of “Can’t blame Norm for seeking other lucrative positions.”
I know you were copying from Dan Patrick's blog
But it says “Norm Chow told him he was staying and not going to UCLA.”
I feel a little better and hope this is true, not because we would be doomed without Chow, but because we need to win the PR war, like Mexi pointed out in an earlier post.
i actually thought this line from CRN was the best:
Neuheisel said that he has no problems if USC recruits want to switch to UCLA. He said some recruits have contacted him. “They’re obviously fair game,” Neuheisel said of USC recruits. "Just like our coaches have been fair game.
nice little jab at Lame and Mikey right there
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Jan 14, 2010 9:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I really would love to read the transcript of the show
Apparently while the show was going on, Norm was in the UCLA offices breaking down game film.
I smell a Giants fan. Sometimes it is just nice to know I am not alone in these parts.
by NorCalBruin08 on Jan 14, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
+10, and LOL!
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Let's not get ahead of ourselves - Neu is 1-0 vs Kitten
Our 2008 victory over Tennessee was with Fulmer on the sideline. It is going to be another 10 1/2 months before Neu has that record against the Kitten.
formerly bruinhoo
by Patroclus on Jan 14, 2010 9:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
In regard to keeping CNC in westwood
I think it would be a victory over Garrett and the $c administration, rather than over the Kitten.
formerly bruinhoo
by Patroclus on Jan 14, 2010 9:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
CRN big-leagued Hello Kiffin (needs to be the spin here)
Let’s not forget, we’ve got a pretty good recruiter of talent on our side as well.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
get out of the way
UCLA there is a NCAA train wreck heading your way, The kiffen & co. express! Apparently already loaded up on some violations to take with him. This little jerk will be an embaressment to $SC and the pac ten. He was a pox on UT football ( not that I care about that) but also to the SEC. good riddance. I think he will be able to get ncaa sanctions at $SC extended. The gift that keeps on giving, not unlike a STD.
Situation reminds of a quote from the movie, Heaven Can Wait
Former owner: He got my team. The son of a bitch got my team.
Advisor to former owner: What kind of pressure did he use, Milt?
Former owner: All I asked was sixty-seven million, and he said “okay.”
Advisor to former owner: Ruthless bastard.
Now the question is how big of bastard can $C be?
great flick
and great quote, haha. Hopefully the buy everything mentality catches up with $uc* via NCAA sanctions.
Nestor
I just read the previous thread before finding out about the great news. First off…great points on the previous thread, and it seems that CNC has made the right decision to be where he is respected, acknowledged, and appreciated. Second…I move that we change hello kiffin to “Kiffykins” (thanks to Odysseus). It really is a suitable name for him.
Nestor...
You mean ESPN isn’t the most reliable end-all-to-be-all source for breaking stories? People like Shelly shouldn’t be trusted immediately? I’m shocked.
lol.
This morning, ESPN was running the following "news" in its ticker:
Paraphrasing:
“UCLA Head Coach RN says that his is confident that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow will remain at UCLA—Norm Chow’s representatives are speaking to USC.”
Does ESPN err in favor of USC or what?
you can hear CRN here
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/93541/index.html?eref=sihp
just click on listen to this segment right above the beginning of the article.
Im a big phan of Hello Kiffin
Its my profile pic on the Book. :):)
I don't get Hello Kiffin, sorry
Is it a generation thing? My preference is easier: Cheatie Junior. He’s not as good as Cheatie Petie, so maybe Cheatie Lite would work.
Hello Kitty is a brand/logo/character that has been favored by young girls for some time
(that being said, I have sons, but it’s been around for quite some time)
if we are doing recent pop culture along with Cheatie lite
I give you an Austin Powers segment
Scott: Why did you run out on me?
Dr. Evil: Because you’re not quite evil enough.
[audience boos]
Dr. Evil: Well it’s true! It’s true! You’re semi-evil. You’re quasi-evil. You’re the margarine of evil. You’re the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie, not evil enough.
Margarine of Cheatie?
by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
“just six violations, not Cheatie enough” etc
by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
from Update II
“They’re obviously fair game,” Neuheisel said of USC recruits. “Just like our coaches have been fair game.”
WOO! Did Dorrell ever say anything that cool?! I love the fight in CRN. He will NOT back down from anybody.
Feels a little better...
But considering just two days ago, this same ESPN said CNC was gone, I would prefer the article to include a quote from CNC affirming what his agent said.
Can we start a rumor that
Monte Kiffin is being contacted by UCLA.
Great news...if true
and I think it would speak volumes of what Chow thinks of Kiffin/SUC to turn down what was presumably a more lucrative offer to stay with UCLA.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
OT: Muschamp declines UT offer
Man I really pulling for those guys to make a nice hire as quick as possible.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
now there is a place
that I would like to see Mike Leach. Would love to see if his offense – with UT’s recruiting potential – would stack up against some of those quick SEC defenses.
by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Smart $$
is on Cutcliffe coming back home. He was a great OC for Tenn as well. I’m sure they make a big push for him. I haven’t been following as closely, so I don’t know if he has declined, but it makes sense.
Speaking as a Georgia fan, Cutcliffe scares me – which means it would be a good hire for UT.
Yeah, saw that
Still surprised that UT fans are kinda’ ‘meh’ about the hire. Maybe I’m just biased because any Cutcliffe coached UT team obliterated Georgia.
While it’s certainly not a ‘splashy’ hire, I think it’s a good one. Besides, look what the ‘splashy’ hire got UT this year.
Feeling A LOT Better Now
Good to know that it’s more than likely now that CNC is staying in Westwood. Even better to see that Mike Garrett, the ’SC boosters, and the original Trojan shill herself Shelley Smith go down in flames on this one.
If she had one OUNCE of decency she’d issue an on-air apology.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jan 14, 2010 10:29 AM PST reply actions
talk about drama...
it would be good to have crn on am570 say that cnc is staying and then have cnc come on the phone saying he is not leaving ucla.
That post
Doesn’t include the info. about Chow’s agent reportedly “confirming” to ESPN that Chow is coming back for at least one more year.
you're right...i just checked the time on both
and the espn one is the most updated one.
according to jg
From a Chow family member: Certain things went down at the end of NC’s USC tenure – particularly with Kiffin himself – that would make it impossible for NC to reconsile the differences.
Wolf reporting
USC is talking to Norm Chow right now. I would still say he is leaning toward staying at UCLA but talks are taking place at the moment.
such drama.
But Gold reporting
Norm Chow’s agent Don Yee has reportedly just told ESPN that Norm Chow is staying at UCLA. I’ll follow up as I can.
at 1022 am (8 min after Wolf report)
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
take what wolf says with a grain of salt
he’s just stirring the pot. I think it’s over. CNC is a 5 stat bruin commit. I hope that he gets on the radio with CRN to get it over with already cuz the silence isn’t helping. It’s leading to more and more speculation.
As a Lakers fan I'm Disappointed
Jerry Buss wasted all that money buying out Kiffin’s contract when he’s just going to screw it all up. That money could have been better spent investing in the Lakers or blown on a poker table.
There's no reason for him not to get Kobe's extension done right now
If he has money to blow on this epic failure of a coach.
I heard they are planning
a double wedding. Wolf/Smith and pete carroll/Painter.
The audio
is a must-listen. Humor, grace, humility, intellect, and self-control—CRN makes a Bruin proud.
It would be fun
if CRN ever gets to talk to Shelley Smith directly that he bring Norm into the room “just to say ‘Hi’”
Double Agent Chow
Given all the madness of these past days, it would be just as mad to say that this was all a ruse, and act of misinformation, crafted by Neu/Chow to bring to light the importance of having Chow, pique recruits’ interest in UCLA, and bitch slap $UC. Winner: UCLA. It’s a mad mad world.
good point
They should let them know just how desparate they were to get them because they don’t trust the kid to run the offense all by himself.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 14, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
What I heard
I got this from someone who is very wired into the USC program. Yeah,m everybody says that, but this guy is reliable and pretty objective about USC:
USC boosters approached Chow and offered him the OC position BEFORE they hired a head coach. Chow had some interest when they threw out the top candidates… Mike Riley. Jack Del RIo, Jim Harbaugh etc.
But then they couldn’t get any of those guys… USC even went to Jon Gruden, but he passed when he was told that he couldn’t pick his own staff! That’s how crazy this whole thing was! USC people have been obsessed with re-assembling Carroll’s old staff and thought they could even dictate that to a guy like Gruden.
Anyway, this all led to a panic hire of Kiffin. I think USC people felt like the disagreements between Chow and Kiffing were several years old, they’d make Chow a big money offer and he’d come running.
But Norm Chow really hates Kiffin, considers him just a reprehensible guy. And Kiffin actually is arrogant enough that he doesn’t want Norm Chow on his staff!
Anyway, it looks like the worst has passed. UCLA has to give Chow and extension, but if he does he’ll stick with UCLA.
CRN
He did hit it out of the park on the DP Show. Hopefully the recruits parents heard him. He was awesome,
Listening Now -- He did a really great job!
What a great sense of humor and perspective.
as to cheety “I thought we were gaining on him and I wanted another shot.”
as to lame "we are going to take him on on every street corner … "
“I am enjoying immenseley my time here”
Wow, we really have the right coach.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I was preying that CNC would get on the phone...
…when CRN was trying to get him on.
I wanted to hear CNC completely shut down the story and make SuC look as stupid and desperate as possible (even more desperate than they already look by hiring Lame Kitten and the wife beater).
+1000
That would have ended all the talk. Only reason not to, trying to get a raise.
His value rose b/c of all this.
$c needs him, so do we. In the end, pay him more, we’ll get higher profile recruits and generate far more in revenue from a successfull football program.
His value at this point is more than OC, w/o CRN has a tougher/longer road in LA battle.
Nope, don’t blame him. Would still consider him a SC traitor for leaving us though. Part of the fun.
Slightly off topic, but interesting question
What will lame name his next child now? South Central Kiffin?
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
by uclafan11 on Jan 14, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 14, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone want to guess how this all went down?
Can I take a stab?
January 12:
Garrett reaches out to Chow, asks “Would you possibly be interested in coming back to USC as offensive coordinator?”
Chow perhaps sends word back through intermediaries: “I’d be willing to listen to an offer. Do you have a head coach yet?”
Garrett: “No, but we have a shortlist that you’ve seen in the media.”
Chow: “Keep me posted.”
Garrett hires Lane Kiffin as head coach. Garrett locks up Orgeron and Monte, then whispers in ears, “Norm Chow is interested in joining us as offensive coordinator. I talked to him!”
Shelley Smith: NORM CHOW COMING BACK TO USC!
January 12, evening:
Norm Chow: “Wait, you hired WHO?”
What was disturbing to hear
when listening to the WWL on the radio even last night, was how they talked about CNC as going to $outhern cal, like it was a done deal and that his going there was a reflection on how good Kiffykins is at building a staff. sickening sh** by the shills of the so-called unbiased media.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
I think it was on the Freddy Coleman show last night.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 14, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
TN fans loev Simers
LOL! I guess I would too if I were them and that was all I knew!
http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2010/1/14/1250956/the-usc-presser-and-why-i-love-t-j
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
oops "love"
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
I think an extension at about the same salary he will make next year
With maybe a little bump, will be enough to quell all talks of Chow leaving for years. The sooner we can get it done the better.
I'm sure it's already been posted, so sorry for this
but is there a link to a text version of the Kitten Konference that I can read?? At work and video is blocked.
by inhowlandwetrust on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 AM PST reply actions
Kitten Admits Ogre Initiated Calls?
I was half watching SportsCenter this morning and they were playing an interview with Kitten and the summary at the bottom said that Ogre INITIATED contact with UT recruits. Anyone else catch this?
They had an “NCAA rules expert” on afterward who said that he didn’t think there was an infraction, though, because even during the dead week, you are allowed to initiate ONE call to recruits as long as they are not already enrolled. After this weekend, they can have unlimited calls.
by uclabruin4life on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions
2 loopholes
School started the following morning for UT. Does enrollment begin on the first day of academics, or when the commit moves to campus/changes his address/registers for classes/etc? This needs to be clarified.
Was Orgeron really calling as an $c* coach? Presumably he had already resigned from UT. Had he already signed a K with $c*? Was he formally a representative of the trOJans when he called, or just some unemployed guy between jobs.
We know what the spirit of the 2 answers is. The letter of the answers may be slightly different, though I hope not. I do love how the whole country has seen these guys for the immoral unethical jerks they are. I just hope the NCAA sees them as illegal cheats, too.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
on whether he represented $C
presumably boosters etc are not allowed to circumvent recruiting rules simply by not being formal employees…. or am I way off base on that?
by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
It sounds like they view classes
as some sort of inconvenience to their operation, and clearly optional.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 14, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
technical question
as to what really constitutes being ‘enrolled’ (e.g. attending class vs moving into dorms, etc)
If attending class is really the deciding factor, wouldn’t all $C malcontents be pretty much free to transfer at any time?
by britishbruin on Jan 14, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
I had the same question
They didn’t really clarify it from what I saw. I tuned in part way through which is why I’m asking if anyone else saw it. The synopsis on the bottom definitely said that Ogre initiated the calls, though, which completely contradicts what he said on FSN last night.
by uclabruin4life on Jan 14, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions
Several players have said Ogre called them
Cellphones have this neat little log of incoming vs outgoing calls, too, just in case any of the zombies at the NCAA need to have it documented.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
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