Updates: Chow Excited About UCLA, Didn't Return Kiffin's Calls While Barkley Was "Dreaming" About Chow At U$C
Norm Chow, Rick Neuheisel's offensive coordinator will be holding a presser at 1:30 pm PST. Jon Gold will be providing rough transcripts on Inside UCLA blog as much as possible. Not sure if it will available on radio or online. I am sure we will be updating when more news break out of it and wrap our heads around.
But here is something to consider for all recruits around Southern California and around the country (who can read and write and have qualifying SAT scores), here is what the starting Trojan QB Matt Barkley told a reporter less than 24 hours ago:
Don't really have to add to that except to say thanks to Matty, Mike Garrett and the entire Trojan echo chamber for building up our offensive coordinator for last 48 hours. We really appreciate it. I am sure CRN and the entire UCLA staff working their tails off on the recruiting trail as well. lol
Good luck with "Coach Kiff" Matty. If we see more Chow related updates we will update it as we see fit in this thread through the afternoon.
GO BRUINS.
UPDATE (N): Trojan recruit Xavier Grimble was really excited about Norm Chow:
Xavier Grimble could not be reached for comment Wednesday but wrote in a text message Tuesday: "I've always been committed so now (I'm) just excited to talk to Lane Kiffin and Norm Chow."
Hey Xavier, funny you mentioned that. We are excited about both of them too! But you can only play for Chow at UCLA. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE II (N): We have Chow's words. He is excited about Westwood:
"I'm awfully excited about what's going on here. I feel badly, I know there were requests for me to return calls, and it wasn't the time. After some consideration, we're awfully glad that we decided to stay."
ROFL at not having time to return Hello Kiffin's call. Guess "Hello Kiffin" couldn't be more appropriate. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE III (N): Chow's comments are pretty revealing. He is not worried about the money:
Why not go when reportedly being offered double your salary:
"I don't know that. It's not about the money. It's really not about the money. It's about the excitement we have here at UCLA. At my point in my career I think I'd like to give Rick a little bit of a hand in helping UCLA football."
And he is not also worried about how extension is going to work out:
Is UCLA working on an extension?
"Rick and I have talked, but UCLA works a little different as a public institution. That's not the concern."
He sounded incredible gracious about his head coach stating that "you come to UCLA because of UCLA, of Rick Neuheisel, not because of Norm Chow," and upset about the rumor mongering:
Were you upset with how this went down?
"No question. Somebody told me and I hadn't spoken to anyone. That was very, very unfair."
He also explained why he didn't want to waste time talking about this story. This guy sounds totally at peace with himself at UCLA.GO BRUINS.
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the trojies are already
calling in to the wwl radio station and trying act like it’s no big deal. About 12 hours ago this was going to be the dream team…it was a done deal….no way NC turns down the bick bucks…we are the top program no way he turns us down….today…no biggie, kiffin is still great…we didn’t need him…nc is over rated. Yeah, right.
N, don't forget SuC's BSPN staff mouthpiece Shelly Smith
She was absolutely exposed as a fraud and shill for South Central.
And ROFL with your qualification: “who can read and write and have qualifying SAT scores”
Sc spin machine
King your right how fast the suc spinsters hit the airwaves. Chow is overated and ucla offense was awful. Didn’t ucla lose all there games this year. Sc better off without chow, it was never gunna happen. What a joke that’s been the spin on 710. These guys are desperate they see it’s about to crash and burn over there. It’s our time Rick go get em
by uclamike on Jan 14, 2010 1:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
A dissenter on WeAreSC.com
Not sure how long this post will stay up on WeAreSC.com. A reader just emailed us the following post from that site from a diehard Trojan fan:
“With PC gone, Gary finally made some remarks. With Lane’s arrival he is now giddy. Of course he has to be this way because his living depends on his relationship with these guys. Mine, of course, does not and I might not be around to see Gary’s “new era.” So blast me now, but I hate it when the bad guys come out on top.
I thought Al Davis had gone out of his mind when he hired Lane, but then realized he has long been out of his mind. I wrote then Lane would last no more than a year and he may become tarnished goods from the experience. Sark was smart for turning it down. Lane was stupid for accepting. But like Vol fans feel today, at least it got rid of him. Incredibly, Tennessee hired him and I thought what are they doing? This is too good a program to experiment on a coach who has done nothing. What ******** this guy must be able to do in a meeting. But he was blessed with USC program association.
And sure enough in the Vol opener Lane on 4th and 2 inside Bruin 10 in final moments called a similar play as he did against Texas with the same result.
It took a lot of years for so many people on the site to finally see the dark side of P. Carroll. Those who criticized the last 5 years, like myself, were called all sorts of names. But still no one could deny that he was a talented coach. With Lane, all U.S.C. gets is more dark side without the benefits. Arrogance, ego and rule bending.
He has done nothing in his career to justify this job. Garrett pushed the panic button. He made a deal quickly to try to save the recruiting class but a long line the coach is what is important. Monte, of course, is a good pick-up, and while O is valuable he also has to be watched. To me the right coach is more viable in the long run than some lost recruits. Get the best man available. Not the worst
The big news was that NC would come back. Davis, too. Garrett said that NC was a priority. This site, despite many delusional members who have tried to put Chow down because he was no longer the U.S.C. coach, started going wild at the news. But what was anyone thinking? Lane was the guy who masterminded Chow’s ouster in the first place. These 2 are going to get along? Kiffin is going to hand over to Chow the keys and say always knew you were better in the first place? And Davis…he left because of what they did to Chow. He is going to comeback for Kiffin?
I know personally Garrett was upset over what happened to Chow. Now he wants him back but thinks Lane is the guy to get Chow back? Last I heard Lane has not called him yet. Garrett should have hired NC as the coach. Garrett says he looks for a coach about the bloom will here is a guy who has not been given the chance. Get him a good assistant coach to cover a lot of the program details and a good staff and he is on his way.
What happened to Gruden, Edwards, etc.? Were they offered? There are a lot of proven coaches out there. Skip Holtz. Want a coach about to bloom—-Walker.
Just as in national media eventually saw through P. Carroll, it sees right through this “kid”, too. No one has expectations of him ever being a Saban. He is not going to be popular and is not going to be the face you want on the program.
I have always said I never blamed Lane for taking the job or even going after it (accept it was sort of shady). I blamed PC for going along with it and bumping Chow and giving it to Lane.
When he was hired by the Raiders I had a sigh of relief never thinking in my wildest imagination this would occur. If anything I thought Sark was being groomed as the successor. Maybe if PC had been a little more honest about his future plans and goals a deal could have been made to keep Sark around knowing he would take over. McKay was brought to U.S.C. to take over when Don Clark retired. John Robinson was then later brought U.S.C. for the same reason. Each knew they were getting the head job. All PC probably had to do was tell Sark he would being going back to pros soon.
As I said before PC’s manner and timing in leaving "fricked" USC. That it resulted in the hire of Lane means he really fricked the Trojans. And of course we see the PC dark side clone outdid PC in "fricking" Tennessee.
I have been in a love affair for 55 years with U.S.C. How do you continue it when you can’t stand the coach? Not just coaching, but personally.
Tollner was not so bad. Smith off his record at Arizona was a good pick. And his first-3 teams went to the Rose Bowl. Unfortunately, he had arrogant issues as well and his team lost respect for him. Did ok resurrected at Missouri. As to Hackett, he had been a great OC, but failed in his other head coaching try and was probably a dumb pick. But there were more reasons to hire Hackett than Lane. He had a lot of success as OC and had developed Vince Evans and Paul McDonald. What has Lane done?
To me Lane will always be known as 4th and 2. The man who connived to get Chow’s job, and had dads influence to assist, starting the downward spiral in U.S.C.’s once apparent dynasty to the program that is.
He needs a line coach, an OC, linebacker coach, etc. And someone who can say "Lane, no." But I doubt the latter exists. You would think there would be some deference to his father, but his father certainly could not control his mouth at Tennessee.
We needed someone who makes us think of a John, like in McKay, Robinson, Wayne, Kennedy, Wooden. But all I will ever see is 4th and 2."
Wow. At least we wait about 2 years to get going on Dorrell!!!
Nestor, you know the rule about long comments
Just kidding, it was definitely something worth reading, but why not fanshot it (aside from the fact that a new one is made about 5 minutes this week)?
This guy hit on all of the points that were in my head as to why Lane was a bad choice, most important being that this move was done only to save this year’s (and possibly next year’s) recruiting class as opposed to finding someone that can rebuild the program for years to come. Mike Garrett truly has the foresight of a 3 year old.
I think you answered your own question.
The playful dig at Nestor made me laugh. However, given the pace at which fanshots appear and then disappear, I’d bet this will be read by many more people while in this thread.
Someone grab the website
“DumpKiffen.COM”
You can make a pretty penny selling it to the Angry USC alum in the very near future.
I don't have an exact link for this
Was sent via email. So throwing it up here right now as a rough reference for now.
I grabbed...
…the whole screen so they can’t take it down and say it was never there…
UCLA - Champions Made Here
LK is a placeholder with a small chance for an upside
I always think: if someone did something irrational, how could it be rational. This is a dumb pick. So why would Garrett do it? The only rational explanation is Garrett knew he could not lure a real star into the program with the NCAA looming. That tells me he knows that sanctions are coming (as did PC which influenced why he left).
LK is not a star choice. But there is a small chance he could work out. Of course if he does he will bolt for the first pro job offered.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 14, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
True.
I figured out of everyone who grew out of the SC program during the Carroll era, Sarkisian was the best and most capable guy for a head coaching gig. I honestly thought, like this guy, that he was being groomed to take over the reins of that program.
Lisa Horne
Yeah, I was the one who tweeted Lisa Tuesday night to tell her the Chow story was wrong, and linked it back BN.
I should add
just in case anyone was wondering, yes got her correspondence degree from Southern Cal, and still under the delusion that CNC is holding out still.
Love how when asked about recruits
Chow said “I have a couple I’m bringing in.” Love the use of first-person.
rough transcription of conference call at
http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/2010/01/norm-chow-press-quotes-unclean.html
Oh, it's that kid, Kiffin on the caller id
yeah, I think I’ll let it go to voice mail
"UCLA is a special place to call home"
One of my favorite quotes...
“I don’t know that. It’s not about the money. It’s really not about the money. It’s about the excitement we have here at UCLA. At my point in my career I think I’d like to give Rick a little bit of a hand in helping UCLA football.”
Just heard on Hartman and Myers....
AM 570 radio that CNC sent a text message to a reporter, I think his name was Chris Landry, saying “It looks good, I am hopeful” in regards to the $UC opportunity. He said that the text was sent about 2 days ago. Strange.
Didn’t Hartman go to UCLA ? He was at least trying to tell that Orgerion ( sorry…speling ) was at least unethical at best by calling recruits and saying " don’t enroll "
Yeah, Steve Hartman did go to UCLA. He and Chris Myers have a radio show on AM 570 radio here in Los Angeles. I just find it strange that CNC sent a text message (allegedly) saying that to Landry. However, Landry has no reason to lie, after all he has the message on his phone.
CNC had a millions of reasons to be hopeful
Who wouldn’t be hopeful they were going to get a boat load of money.
Not sure that says the text message is real or not. Makes CRN look even better: the more CNC looked the better he stayed.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 14, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
He went to UCLA and was Sports Editor of the DB.
I know the DB’s got a bad rep around here, but I’m a DB Sports alum myself, so I gotta represent.
I can respect that
but the DB’s Sports section is a joke (especially as of late). Their segment today on Orgeron being the biggest threat to UCLA made me cringe.
Lame Kitty ( sorry Fox 71 ) loses again
to CRN. The loss streak to CRN and UCLA continues. They say things happen in 3’s. So Dec. 4 should be one more loss for the kitty. And Garrett keeps opening his mouth ( we want Norm ) and gets to eat crow. Hope you trOJies like the taste I think you’ll get a lot of it in the future.
Garrett already throwing Hello Kiffin under the bus
He must have known it was a dead deal when did the interview yesterday afternoon
“Q: Are you [Garrett] a part of that process in terms of a negotiating process [to bring CNC to SUC]?
A: No, it’s really Lane’s deal. He’s going to recruit him and see how it works out."
Maybe that's Garrett's master plan
Hire Hello Kiffin, then blame everything on him when he fires him in three months.
Add Utah to the list of anti-troy states
This is a nice read that was tweeted by allmightybruins. Warning to recruits.
Nice read is right.
Thanks for the link. Once again, anyone with an ounce of common sense and ethics can see wants going on at south central.
Holy mother of heaven.
Check out this gem:
Parents, do not trust your most valuable possessions — your sons — to this man. His word means nothing. His tactics are sophomoric. Perhaps when he grows up, he might reach his potential, but for now, he’s like a giggling Boy Scout under the covers making sounds of flatulence. He has not proven as a head coach he can help your son grow into a man.
Dang. Them Utah guys know how to bring the lumber.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
My favorite part was in Pt. 6...
http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/2010/01/norm-chow-opens-up-pt-7.html
Why did you call Rick Neuheisel when you did?
“That’s the proper thing to do. Up until that time, I wasn’t necessarily talking to Rick Neuheisel because it was someone else saying something. That’s what you do. That’s the ethical thing to do.”
Did you talk to USC this morning?
“No.”
Are you upset with the way it was handled?
“No, I don’t live this way. All I know is it’s an exciting time for UCLA football. I know it’s coach-speak, but it’s the truth.”
Chalk one up for the good guys. Thanks, NC.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
question about recruiting and apologies if it's been asked
did grimble back off of his visit to ucla?
haven't heard about his visit but here is a recent quote of his
"It’s pretty exciting," said Grimble. "It’s good to know we have a good coach and I’m interested to get to know him. I was shocked because I’ve been watching USC and looking around on the internet to see who it was going to be and didn’t see his name and I didn’t think he would leave Tennessee. I’m glad, I feel bad for the guys going to Tennessee, but it’s good for me."
by 84 on Jan 14, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
He was
going to visit UCLA while out here with his HS hoops team. According to Scout that is now up in the air. Hopefully the news of Chow staying will convince him to visit. Once’s he’s on campus I’m sure UCLA will win him over.
yes. the above quote was, I believe, taken when CNC was rumored to be on with suc
Hopefully he still will make his official visit
by 84 on Jan 14, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
i think we got our answer
per jg
Just talked to Xavier Grimble, the No. 1 tight end out of Bishop Gorman in Vegas, and he pretty much quieted any speculation about re-opening his recruitment.
What are your thoughts on USC and the news that Norm Chow is staying at UCLA?
“I’m still pretty solid. They’re going to get a good offensive coordinator I’m sure. It would have been nice and everything, to have Norm Chow, but im pretty much committed to USC.”
Are you still considering an official visit to UCLA this weekend?
“I don’t really know, and my dad and I are going to talk about it right now.”
At this point, is it more about another school having a chance to poach you, or you just kind of waiting to see what happens at USC?
“More its me about waiting for USC. Waiting for things to be secure.”
Character Lesson
People do honor contracts.
People do keep commitments.
Money is not everything. Sometimes, passion and loyalty is more important than dollars.
Geezer Brother Chow, Thank you for the lesson.
sjh
PS. GBC (Geezer Brother Chow) handled this with incredible class and dignity. He did not let the press force him into commenting. What we didn’t hear was deliberate. He was not going to jump on their merry-go-round.
From the moment this started, I kept saying that GBC was a man of faith and integrity. He handled it like a man of faith and integrity.
I am so proud of him. Not for what he can do with a football team, but for the lessons he can teach all of us — and particularly the young who have allowed the economic climate to steal their passion and believe that one must follow the money wherever dark it may lead them.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Jan 14, 2010 2:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+10
GBITM
(Geezer Brother In Training Meriones)
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Totally agree
Very articulate and very real. CNC’s someone we should all be very proud to have on our side.
And honorable work by Chow's lawyer
Lawyer jokes are the rage (both the lawyers themselves and the one-liners) but also congratulations to Don Yee, Coach Chow’s lawyer and agent. Yee candidly and professionally represented his client and stayed out of the media frenzy. I hate to say this because Yee is an adjunct professor (I guess he teaches adjuncts) at the trojan law school but truth is truth.
Yeah but a Bruin
So he gets a pass.
BTW, adjuncts are just people who teach classes, but aren’t actual professors—meaning they usually have actual jobs outside of academia, but just come in to teach a class here and there (usually in the profession they are in). Guessing that Don Yee teaches sports law.
Ahem, a Bruin and a UVa lawyer.
Us Bruin-Hoo’s have to stick together, after all.
formerly bruinhoo
by Patroclus on Jan 14, 2010 4:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And, while we're at it,
thanks to you for you wise counsel for patience and calm. It’s all too easy to get blown about by the rumor winds. Moreover, your early reading of the situation early on seems to have been right on the mark. Great job.
-GBB
Agree Class of 66
Class, dignity, character, integrity – and not money – really makes a man a man. Norm is a man! Thank you Norm for giving us this valuable lesson. GO BRUINS!
by Forever a Bruin on Jan 15, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I hope we lock Norm up in beautiful contract that
makes his drive through beverly hills even better upon seeing UCLA. I hope we show him how much we appreciate his contribution. While any coach is replaceable, I just feel like Norm Chow is a Bruin. He has all the of the attributes of a great Bruin, and has been very supportive of our team. He deserves to leave a UCLA legacy. GO BRUINS!
Impressed by the way he lives his life
As already quoted by Meriones, when asked whether he was upset, Coach Chow responded, ‘"No, I don’t live this way."’
A lesson for all of us—he is intense but avoiding distractions which will keep him from being the teacher he is. He can speak for himself but his focus is on what’s important which means he’s looking to December 4.
The Greatest thing about all of this..
The Greatest thing about all of this..We are getting UCLA name out there to the whole country. Espn, Usually does not report to much on UCLA. Now, they are talking about UCLA nationally. Plus, we are the topic on all over the radio. This is a win win for UCLA. This will show how classy UCLA is, and help us with recruiting. Thanks NC. You helped out a lot. With out saying much at all. Go Bruins.
very much in contrast to how $outhern cal is being protrayed
especially with the coach ogre stuff.
"UCLA is a special place to call home"
Lane sounds like me
Stumbling all over himself on the radio
Formerly ucla13_usc9
by 03rdn9 on Jan 14, 2010 3:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Kiffin is just a bad speaker in general
I would say that his constant “uhms” every three words were signs that he is lying (of cuorse he could just be constantly lying), but he really is one of the most awkward and poor speakers in college football. How any recruit or recruit’s parents could be impressed by him is beyond me.
Like Carroll
Carroll is lousy speaker too. He is charasmatic (to some but not me) but he often speaks in sentence fragments and he cannot organize a paragraph of thought. Since none of us have anything else to do, listen to some You Tube junk with Carroll on it (again keep children away from the computer while you watch Carroll’s nonsense) and like Kiffin, he struggles to finish a complete sentence. Actually, they both speak like Inmate Simpson writes.
This is what happens when you kiss off one-fourth of your undergraduate education taking speech classes (now upgraded to communications classes.).
I agree with this statement
Carroll wasn’t a great speaker and has what Californians and people from Liverpool have in common, they say “you know” as a form of punctuation. I’m very guilty of this myself. I wouldn’t really fault him because of it because it is a matter of fact way of speaking. For me, being around a judge or the head assistant, cures me of that right away. As far as Peat is concerned, he’s a football coach… He doesn’t need to be the finest elocutionist.
That being said, Lame has the worst of these fault and speaks as if he had 10 syringes full of lidocaine shot into his mouth.
Troy HAS fallen...again, again, and again.
by Bruins102NCAA on Jan 15, 2010 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
Being around the judge ...
When I first read my own words in a transcript I wanted to jump off a bridge. Over time, I learned to speak in complete sentences (although that’s not apparent from my writing at times). Eventually I learned to leave out the “uhh’s” and “ums”. (There’s an exercise to do this – have someone give you any word, and you speak for thirty seconds on that word without saying “um.” It works.)
The same effort can cure you of “you know” and “like.” I really believe the the use of the word like is very appropriate in many cases, because when teenagers (and this includes teenagers of any age) say (or actually, the verb used is “go” so I’ll start over.) When teenagers go “He was like, you know,” what they’re actually saying (not going) is that “I do not have the mental capacity or the verbal skills to convey a thought with any degree of accuracy.”
So that qualifies them to be reporters for like ESPN or the Daily like, you know, News. Accuracy of thought and clarity of speech are not job qualifications.
College Football
College Football is alive and well…at UCLA ! Go Bruins !
Matt Barkley
Thanks so much for telling the world how great our OC is, you stupid douchebag. What an assclown.

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