Hello Kiffin: Ominous Signs Of TrOJan Meltdown & Internal Unrest
It's been what two days? Since Hello Kiffin stumbled and bumbled across town. Already he has been humiliated as the ultimate sleazebag of all of college football. His stud recruiter is dealing with allegations of another NCAA violations (and given the intensity we have seen from our friends in Tennessee, I doubt they are going to let that matter drop). His program then got humiliated by a public rejection by Norm Chow, who let the entire world know very gracefully that UCLA is the place to.
The Trojan stalwarts are working OT to spin the storyline that it was Kitten, who wasn't interested in Chow. That is kind of hilarious because it points to a total cluster you know what across town, given how hard Chow was pursued by Garrett and the money bags from the Trojan brass. It is completely unclear right now who is in charge across town. Lame looks like a clueless puppet, while Garrett is too wrapped up in CYA mode to address a decade of dirty laundry. All this happening while the school president is checking out to retirement sometime this year. Yeah, it's a mess.
What is even more interesting is that signs of meltdown that are already emerging in number of Trojan corners. Some die hard Trojan fans are not happy. It's getting ugly over there already. Folks pointed us to the following widely read post from Paris Of Troy on WildWest (a Trojan friendly message board):
How is it possible, with so many great coaches available and with USC being one of the premier jobs in the country, that we end up with Lane Kiffin (after starting the search going after the decidedly non-elite Mike Riley)? Well, for one, because we have people in charge of the search who are limiting themselves to coaches they know personally -- USC people. They're rah-rahs, basically.
But beyond that, it was because Kiffin was supposed to be joined by a Dream Team staff, including several coaches who were partly responsible for our 2002-2004 run. (You know a program is desperate when it reaches into the past to try to restore former magic. See JRobII)
The news made the press. Only, it wasn't news: Chow hadn't really been signed up, and by extension, neither had Davis. In fact, Kiffin didn't even want Chow! Do you realize what a colossal PR f*ck-up that is? Chow got to say to the world that he'd rather remain at Ucla, because Ucla has something better going on. I mean, you can't make that stuff up. It is an unmitigated disaster. It also shows rank hubris: saying you have Chow wrapped up, when you don't -- not even close. You don't even know whether your head coach wants him!
And to hire Kiffin when we're under investigation by the NCAA: that's just begging the organization to come down hard on us. Imagine a day-care center being investigated for child molestation, and the center hires ... a known pedophile.
So now we're in bed with a total scumbag and we're telling the NCAA we don't give a sh&t what they think. That, my friends, is lack of institutional control.
Today commences the lost decade in USC football. Ha, and you thought the 1990's were bad.
At least there's men's tennis. #1, beatches.
Ouch. That is coming from a Trojan. Not anyone here on BN. A Trojan.And as they say in the informercials, but wait there is more! After the jump.
Our readers also pointed us to the following post on WeAreSC.com:
"With PC gone, Gary finally made some remarks. With Lane’s arrival he is now giddy. Of course he has to be this way because his living depends on his relationship with these guys. Mine, of course, does not and I might not be around to see Gary’s "new era." So blast me now, but I hate it when the bad guys come out on top.
I thought Al Davis had gone out of his mind when he hired Lane, but then realized he has long been out of his mind. I wrote then Lane would last no more than a year and he may become tarnished goods from the experience. Sark was smart for turning it down. Lane was stupid for accepting. But like Vol fans feel today, at least it got rid of him. Incredibly, Tennessee hired him and I thought what are they doing? This is too good a program to experiment on a coach who has done nothing. What ******** this guy must be able to do in a meeting. But he was blessed with USC program association.
And sure enough in the Vol opener Lane on 4th and 2 inside Bruin 10 in final moments called a similar play as he did against Texas with the same result.
It took a lot of years for so many people on the site to finally see the dark side of P. Carroll. Those who criticized the last 5 years, like myself, were called all sorts of names. But still no one could deny that he was a talented coach. With Lane, all U.S.C. gets is more dark side without the benefits. Arrogance, ego and rule bending.
He has done nothing in his career to justify this job. Garrett pushed the panic button. He made a deal quickly to try to save the recruiting class but a long line the coach is what is important. Monte, of course, is a good pick-up, and while O is valuable he also has to be watched. To me the right coach is more viable in the long run than some lost recruits. Get the best man available. Not the worst
The big news was that NC would come back. Davis, too. Garrett said that NC was a priority. This site, despite many delusional members who have tried to put Chow down because he was no longer the U.S.C. coach, started going wild at the news. But what was anyone thinking? Lane was the guy who masterminded Chow’s ouster in the first place. These 2 are going to get along? Kiffin is going to hand over to Chow the keys and say always knew you were better in the first place? And Davis…he left because of what they did to Chow. He is going to comeback for Kiffin?
I know personally Garrett was upset over what happened to Chow. Now he wants him back but thinks Lane is the guy to get Chow back? Last I heard Lane has not called him yet. Garrett should have hired NC as the coach. Garrett says he looks for a coach about the bloom will here is a guy who has not been given the chance. Get him a good assistant coach to cover a lot of the program details and a good staff and he is on his way.
What happened to Gruden, Edwards, etc.? Were they offered? There are a lot of proven coaches out there. Skip Holtz. Want a coach about to bloom—-Walker.
Just as in national media eventually saw through P. Carroll, it sees right through this "kid", too. No one has expectations of him ever being a Saban. He is not going to be popular and is not going to be the face you want on the program.
I have always said I never blamed Lane for taking the job or even going after it (accept it was sort of shady). I blamed PC for going along with it and bumping Chow and giving it to Lane.
When he was hired by the Raiders I had a sigh of relief never thinking in my wildest imagination this would occur. If anything I thought Sark was being groomed as the successor. Maybe if PC had been a little more honest about his future plans and goals a deal could have been made to keep Sark around knowing he would take over. McKay was brought to U.S.C. to take over when Don Clark retired. John Robinson was then later brought U.S.C. for the same reason. Each knew they were getting the head job. All PC probably had to do was tell Sark he would being going back to pros soon.
As I said before PC’s manner and timing in leaving "fricked" USC. That it resulted in the hire of Lane means he really fricked the Trojans. And of course we see the PC dark side clone outdid PC in "fricking" Tennessee.
I have been in a love affair for 55 years with U.S.C. How do you continue it when you can’t stand the coach? Not just coaching, but personally.
Tollner was not so bad. Smith off his record at Arizona was a good pick. And his first-3 teams went to the Rose Bowl. Unfortunately, he had arrogant issues as well and his team lost respect for him. Did ok resurrected at Missouri. As to Hackett, he had been a great OC, but failed in his other head coaching try and was probably a dumb pick. But there were more reasons to hire Hackett than Lane. He had a lot of success as OC and had developed Vince Evans and Paul McDonald. What has Lane done?
To me Lane will always be known as 4th and 2. The man who connived to get Chow’s job, and had dads influence to assist, starting the downward spiral in U.S.C.’s once apparent dynasty to the program that is.
He needs a line coach, an OC, linebacker coach, etc. And someone who can say "Lane, no." But I doubt the latter exists. You would think there would be some deference to his father, but his father certainly could not control his mouth at Tennessee.
We needed someone who makes us think of a John, like in McKay, Robinson, Wayne, Kennedy, Wooden. But all I will ever see is 4th and 2."
Sounds like trouble to me. No?
With all this and the specter of NCAA sanctions looming around the corner, how can anyone with rational frame of mind consider signing away 3-5 years of their lives to commit themselves to an asylum like that.
GO BRUINS.
PS: About that 4th and 2, here ya go:
Thought you guys'd enjoy that. GO BRUINS.
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They're concerned about what we're observing what they're concerned about...
LOL
http://wearesc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1304681&postcount=44
UCLA Football, please make the switch to black cleats
Delusional
“Blah blah blah DELUSIONAL blah blah blah DELUSIONAL blah blah blah DELUSIONAL, DELUSIONAL, and DELUSIONAL!”
More examples of the “win at all costs” mentality over there. Either you are on board or you are asked to leave. This dude said, and I paraphrase, “I have had a 55 year love affair” with their program. That is a lot of lean years that I doubt those other posters, who are calling him out as if from on high to leave, have even lived that long. What a joke.
“Screw your 55 years of loyalty, if you question St. Petey or his lying, unproven heir to be. You aren’t loyal even though St. Petey dropped us like a hot rock once the NCAA came calling.”
They are ready to chase off what appears to be their old fans who have a shred of objectivity. All for ONE national championship and a few shared PAC-10 titles. More evidence that the mentality is really flawed over there and will probably never improve.
Troy HAS fallen...again, again, and again.
by Bruins102NCAA on Jan 15, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
The more I think about the Lame Kitten hire...
…the more Dorrellian it is turning out to be.
He is going to win some games based on the talent that USC will attract every year. However, he will never be anything more than mediocre.
Dorrell, for all his faults
had some integrity at least. I don’t think it is fair to Dorrell to call Kiffin Dorrellian.
No evidence KD had the ethics of LK
It may be Kiffin will be as unsucessful as Dorrell or perhaps even more so, but Karl did bring to UCLA in his entire career the sleaze and corruption Lane has already deposited in this city.
You mean
Karl did NOT bring…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Jan 15, 2010 8:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's not saying a whole lot
The only person who could possibly compete with Lame for the coveted title of “King of Sleaze and Corruption” is his mentor, Cheatie Petie. I don’t know who the most crooked politician in Los Angeles is at the moment but any of them will do as paragons of non-sleaze and non-corruption when compared with Lame.
The real question – much more difficult to answer – is whether Lame can retain the title on his own campus. He is clearly the front runner, now that both Cheatie and Timmeh have gone elsewhere, but there are lots of sleazebags on that camput. I include Garrett. I don’t think he is simply monumentally stupid. Although he certainly is stupid, I think he’s smart enough to participate in all the covering up.
Don’t get me wrong – I think Lame is clearly the sleaziest guy in Los Angeles, but I don’t want to stand in the way of any aspiring sleazebag who wants to challenge him for the position.
The natives are getting restless!
we all know how the Troy of legend fell (brought the gift from the Greeks within their gates). No one would have anticipated that the Troy of today would create their own Trojan house and then bring within their own walls, after knowing full well what bringing such a horrible gift within their walls would mean.
Victory or until next year!
Reading that thread, they seem to completely ignore the NCAA issue
Kiffin as a coach might not be a disaster on the field but he might not make it to the opening kickoff if the NCAA comes down on the program.
What he has shown at Tenessee is that he has no loyalty. He was sitting pretty and might have even been able to clean up his act if he tried. Seeing him leave there makes me question his sanity.
With the NCAA looming over suc, even if you wanted the job, the smart move is to wait and see what happens. No great proven coach would step in to that so there is no harm, especially if you’ve got a great job coaching at Tenessee.
Of course suc fans act like they’ve never heard of the NCAA and they are hoping that lame can come in to save the day.
Wake up sleeping ugly, you’re a step-sister, not Cinderella.
Kiffy is a placeholder
U$C is going to get socked by the NCAA next month. The love affair will be officially over. That’s why Cheatey left and U$C sanctioned its own BB program. Those two things weren’t coincidences. Garrett will probably be offered up next.
So Kiffy will be at U$C while it rides out the sanctions. And after they’re over, Kiffy will be “let go” and U$C will hire someone who actually knows what he’s doing.
If U$C had really wanted a world class coach, the Troylets would have hired Coach Chow for $4M and given him free reign on his staff. But U$C knew Chow would ask what was going on with the NCAA and, once told, would pass.
Kiffy is going to be in for a rough 2-3 year ride. And then he can go back to doing something that appears to be his forte. Like marrying well and having beautiful children. Maybe he can be a male model. Being a football coach requires a totally different skill set.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!

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