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Howland's Words (Of Contrition & Frustration) Are Meaningless

As expected reading through the game articles today I found more of Ben Howland's meaningless coach speak. It was ok to digest them when earlier in the season I could dismiss certain results as aberration. It was ok to look away hoping somehow that Howland would readjust and recalibrate and coach up his current roster (which he is responsible for assembling) to fit the available talent.

Yet at the halfway point of this season it has become clear that the UCLA basketball team is going nowhere. It hasn't improved through the season and is going through the same maddening lather, rinse, and repeat formula that hasn't worked game after game. Howland's words at this point has no traction and it increasingly appears that we have a head coach who at least at this snap shot of time appears to be all by himself in an island being tuned out by his players and a community that wants to support him in every reasonable way possible.

I'd like to support Ben Howland, however I just can't be enthusiastic and supportive of what has taken place this season, which seems to be a carry over of number of disturbing tendencies from last. I voted "unsure" in our poll.  I am hoping that Howland will make definitive adjustments to this current season to set the foundation for next year and get this program back to playing Ben Ball. If he doesn't, I will be heading into next season with a deep sense of skepticism and shaky confidence in our current head coach (I don't have any hope for rest of this one).More after the jump.

Star-divide

Let's get couple of toplines out of the way:

  • Yesterday's Trojan conquest was the Southern Cal's biggest win ever (EVER) at Pauley (it could have been lot worse, except Mike Gerrity actually showed mercy by running out the shot clock during second half).
  • Yesterday's Bruin loss was UCLA's worst loss to Southern Cal in 65 years.

Now in terms of game numbers some ugly details from a very giddy Trojan Times game report (emphasis added):

USC had a 37-22 rebounding edge. UCLA had only five assists. USC shot 52%. UCLA shot 33%.

To paraphrase Howland, the Bruins didn't play man-to-man well, or zone. They didn't block out on rebounds and they turned the ball over. And the offense . . . well, Howland said, "We struggled to score. We couldn't score."

Uh coach, your clowns couldn't defend either. The scrubs in Bruin uniform and played like bunch of chumps on the defensive end out of the gate. Then, what else can you expect coach when you keep sticking with a scrub like Ragovic who has never showed any interest of playing any modicum of credible defense. Howland said after the game:

"I'm embarrassed for our team," UCLA Coach Ben Howland said. "I feel embarrassed for the program, for the former players and coaches. That's all you can say, it was embarrassing."

Basically, while the Trojans (11-6 overall, 3-2 in Pacific 10 Conference play) have self-imposed sanctions that prevent them from participating in the NCAA tournament, the Bruins (7-10, 2-3) are playing like they don't belong in the postseason.

Actually I am embarrassed for Howland. I am embarrassed that Howland is so stubborn and delusional that he keeps insisting his team come out and play man-to-man to start the game when it was obvious to rest of the world, that our scrubs were not capable of staying infront of their man. Then I am embarrassed to read this kind of garbage assessment from Howland on his Matt Barkeley:

Howland was concerned with Dragovic's shot selection, as he took a number of fadeaway, tilting 3-pointers that clanked hard off the rim.

"It was very disappointing," Howland said. "He took some bad shots today, and he has to understand that this is the result when you don't wait for it. They were forcing him to try to put the ball on the floor, and that's not his strength."

Coach it took you this long to get disappointed. Moreover, despite your "disappointment" you stuck with that clown for 17 minutes in the first half (despite being scoreless and usual sieve on the defensive side) and then brought him back out on the court to start he second half. Way to make adjustments and set example for accountability coach.

If anyone thinks Howland's preferential treatment of Nikola Dragovic is not having a bad impact on this team not just for the short term but also in the long term, is living in a world of delusion (in the same way Dorrelistas did over the years). I specifically charted Brendan Lane yesterday. He got only 2 minutes (2 minutes) in the first half. First time he came in for a minute and then got hooked by Howland almost immediately. Next time he came in he was matched up against Marcus Johnson. At least Lane made an effort to D up and foul him not to give up the shot but still got pulled. He didn't see the court again until it was garbage. There was of course no sign of Mike Moser. Meanwhile, we had Dragovic jacking up one ugly shot after another and usual showing no interest whatsoever in playing defense.

When players like Lane and Moser see Howland letting Dragovic skate freely without any sense of accountability, what motivation do they have to work hard and develop under this coach. Moreover, at this point we will not accept youth and inexperience as an excuse next season, if we struggle with Lane and Moser for not being experienced enough because all the minutes had to be allocated to these years' scrubs from the senior class.

Ben Howland blew this season a while ago. He did it last year when he went for the easy offense of Shipp and Holiday while it was Malcolm Lee playing modicum of defense on court. I will go as far as to speculate that Howland' nonsensical rotation last season had an impact on disheartening players like Lee who look unprepared and unmotivated this season. From what I see on the court, I am seeing a basketball team which is not in tune with its head coach, and I am seeing a head coach who is failing miserably to motivate this team.

Something is not right with the picture. We are not saying that UCLA needs to get rid of Howland. However, what we are saying is that it is time for Howland to do some serious self-reflection and offer up more than words. The words after his press conference are meaningless considering he goes back to his same non-working formula game after game. It was time for him to shake up the core a while ago when his team humiliated the four letters infront of the very Icon who made the four letters mean something (Mississippi State). It appears that Howland barely made any adjustments since then and the team still is producing same disheartening results.

I don't care much for the Washington game. I am not going to care much even if we win based on fool's gold shooting from scrubs like Dragovic. I want a UCLA basketball team that takes pride in fundamentals and takes pride in playing defense. For that to happen Ben Howland needs to shake up the core now and start with the guys who are going to form the foundation for next season. Until then Ben Howland's words are meaningless and he is sadly losing the vast reservoir of credibility he built up over the years.

GO BRUINS.

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any word anywhere on JA?

Injured? Benched? Only 9 minutes, with 9 minutes going to MA-H seems curious.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

Haven't read anything

I liked that move. Now we need to do the same with Lane and Dragovic and also work in Moser.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Could not agree more, N

I take back everything I said last week about improvement, reasons for optimism or a non-losing record. Watching that game last night was heartbreaking – it was the first time ever (including that horrible 2000-2002 stretch) that I seriously considered finding something else to do for the second half.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

It’s like watching a lavin team. They play with the attitude of future lottery picks. If you looked at the way drago struts on the court you would think he is an all American. Honestly the only tWo guys I think that care are roll, and reeves. Other wise a bunch of primadonna recruits who think there hot shit cause they were in a top5 recruiting class. To bad being In a top tier class does not entitle you to win.

by Marine bruin on Jan 17, 2010 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

Yep

And it has been Howland who did nothing to put those guys back in place (Dragovic (who wasn’t even to good to being with) and Anderson). Last year he waited long to bench Holiday and Shipp who only played defense when he felt like it, while Lee was giving effort.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

the lizard had more talent

that CBH, with all his success, ended up with this group of players surprises me.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 17, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

While I too am disappointed in this edition of the UCLA Bruins, I cannot get anywhere

close to judging CBH or the players so harshly. This season is an aberration that is the direct result of Chace Stanback not being patient, Jrue Holiday not being wise and Drew Gordon getting bad advice. Honestly, if those three kids were on the roster today do you really believe we’d be anywhere near this bad? To the contrary we’d in all likelihood be dominating a weak Pac-10, if not a national presence. CBH couldn’t control any of that.

Now he has to cobble a product together from what he has left. His stable if light on experience and rife with raw talent, so that’s not an easy task. I will concede only that Drago probably never would have started for me if I were CBH, but as a former coach who actually has experience with the behind the scenes dynamics that few on this board have, I accept that he has his reasons for doing so. My only issue at all with CBH, who is no more on thye hotseat than the man in the moon, is that were I in his shoes I’d most likely have long since dedicated this season to young player development, and played Dragovic and Keefe pretty sparingly as a result. Oh well, I believe we will be much, much better next season and better still the season after. I’m content to be patient with a man who has the requisite experience, integrity and character we need to move forward. No reason to panic or engage in meaningless, and often uninformed, rhetoric.

Grackers!

by Grackers on Jan 17, 2010 10:53 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Problem with your comment

1) You are kind off base when you suggest Stanback was “not being patient.” That is an ignorant and uninformed comment on your part.
2) Re. Jrue Holiday being “unwise,” it was known to rest of the world except for apparently Ben Howland that he was going to leave after his first season. Yet Howland and his staff failed to draw up a contingency plan and a have credible pg in place leaving with only 3 guards in our lineup this season.
3) Re. Drew Gordon, apparently it was well known around No Cal, that the kid had anger management issues, which Howland’s staff apparently failed to research.

Your comments fall apart after that. Think twice again if you come here to attack what we write as “meaningless, and often uninformed, rhetoric.” You will not get a second chance to write anything on BN if you do that again.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

"ignorant and uninformed"

Honest question here: what do you know that we don’t know regarding Stanback’s decision? While Grackers suggestion as to Stanback’s motives may be conjecture, I’m not sure any of us can say for a fact that he’s wrong, much less call him “ignorant and uninformed.”

by LVBruin on Jan 17, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Stanback was kindly pushed out the door essentially

The staff thought that the scholarship could be best used elsewhere.

Formerly ryebreadraz

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Was Stanback's dismissal a matter of a poor attitude?

From what little I saw of him, he seemed to have length and athleticism. So, was it that he wasn’t putting in the effort in practice?

by snorkeldorf on Jan 17, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

God forbid someone show an optimistic stance.

by UCLAClass82 on Jan 17, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You can be optimistic

if you do it with some sort of knowledge of what’s been going on and don’t throw things out there that make no sense.

Formerly ryebreadraz

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure we're watching the same team, Grackers.
This season is an aberration that is the direct result of…[among other things] Drew Gordon getting bad advice. CBH couldn’t control any of that.

I saw many reports that it was a mutual decision or DG was pushed out due to his attitude. CBH can control that decision.

His stable if light on experience [is] rife with raw talent…

Where? Who?

I believe we will be much, much better next season and better still the season after.

Yet,

were I in (CBH’s) shoes I’d most likely have long since dedicated this season to young player development, and played Dragovic and Keefe pretty sparingly as a result.
We’ll be “much, much better” next year when our seniors are gone and our players (if they haven’t bailed) will be a year older, but if it were your call you’d play the young guys now instead of the seniors.
 
Meaningless and uninformed rhetoric do nothing, I agree. Criticism showing passion for your team is what this board is about – if there is logic involved.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

A Huge Step Backwards

It is hard to believe that this was the team that beat Cal last weekend. The team returned to running no semblance of an offense and did it without any energy. Roll and Dragovic took horrible shots. This team may show flashes down the stretch of being a decent team, but essentially we need new players. When we are in love with RN, who basically cannot get off the ground and bulls his way to the basket only to miss or get fouled and misses the freethrows, that is a sad state. RN makes a young AA look like a superstar, and yet that is all we have. RN should be the 8th or 9th guy off the bench of a bruin team, injected to give some energy, not close to being a starter as a freshman. The players are simply not Div 1 players, and that is the sad fact. CBH did not get the desired recruiting results, and if it doesn’t improve, UCLA will fall out of the ranks of the teams challenging for NCAA for some time to come. That being said, except for this year, I love the way CBH teams play, and I hope he gets talented players willing to play his system, like JF, LRMAM, JS, Afflalo, AA, KL, and the most loyal Bruin of them all, DC. One year does not a coach make.

by 75NatChamps on Jan 17, 2010 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

"The players are simply not Div 1 players"

They are Division One players but not Pac-10 players …… Moser should be in the Big Sky, Lane shoudl be in the WCC and Nelson should be in the Big West. I am sick and tired of people giving Howland a pass for this most recent class. All crosshairs are on the Sophs, but the frosh are NO better. And that is why success is TWO years away and 2011 stands a good chance of looking like 2004.

And I am going to back Nestor here …. recruiting is a lengthy and involved process. By its conclusion, a coach should have a pretty good idea of a player’s character, his goals and his ability. For Howland to get a pass for being blindsided by Holliday and Gordon is ridiculous. He didn’t do the proper vetting and he should be held acocuntable.

Folks the cupboard is bare.

by dkbilson on Jan 17, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

do you really believe that Nelson is not a Pac-10 level player??

from the current frosh class, RN seems like he will be a good power forward. He already plays better than James Keefe does, and he is ahead of where PAA was as a freshman, in terms of offense. TH also seems like he will be a good small forward next year, given his improvement since returning from injury.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Nelson + TH

 +1 Good potential those two. ML has the talent, not sure what the issue is. Chemistry goes a long way, even with the talent we have we should not be this bad. If all the parts play as a whole we can compete in every game, we’ve shown up that a couple times this year and looked decent. Internal issues are key at this point, who knows whats going on behind the scenes.

For all those PC people cntr-alt-del the season please.

by Bruin'96 on Jan 17, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

No, I don't Believe

Reeves Nelson is a component of a “core” that can compete for a conference title and regional finalist. Might he show up as a serviceable supplement to the 2012 team? Perhaps. Does he serve a role on a big team? Not a chance. Being the best of a bad class not not equal good. Hard work only goes so far. ……

by dkbilson on Jan 17, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Heads up for others

If you want to disagree with what I wrote above, that is fine. However, what will not be acceptable is if you attack any member of BN moderators. Also, if you want to offer arguments as how a losing season will be acceptable for UCLA, then you should offer your arguments in the same detail we have done it previously. People will take your comments seriously when you offer your arguments supported by facts and context.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

Also

Threatening physical violence on moderators will not exactly help you case either. Sheesh.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Phew - thanks for the clarification

I’m definitely ready to kick someone’s ass after last night’s debacle.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

Look I know many will disagree. However, they should take cues from Classof66, britishbruin and bruinponcho on how to have disagreements. Let’s talk it out. People can also offer their analysis in the fanposts as well.

However, the dude above … Mr. Grackers … had other ideas on how to solve disagreements. Apparently drawing his inspiration from Gilbert Arenas or something.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah - that was ridiculous

Hopefully, just frustration getting the best of him – but from the sound of his last post – probably more than just that.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I know winning a BB national championship is a freakish thing, but I was disappointed over the last several seasons when the Bruins were unable to do it with 3 NBA starters on their various teams. And I questioned Howland’s strategy, especially clock management.

I got ripped for it here. Now I see that others are starting to agree with me.

There’s no doubt that CBN took over a dysfunctional program that the joke of a coach ruined, but I don’t think he fulfilled his or its potential.

Three straight NCAA final fours in this competitive age is impressive, but I was at UCLA when we won 10 NCAA championships in 11 years, with the greatest coach (in any sport) of all time. So, I guess I am spoiled. But this present team is so bad and at some point it’s the responsibility of the coach, that I think we have to tell CBN we want better from him and his players.

Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!

by Digdog on Jan 17, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

I have to disagree

I do think Coach Howland fulfilled his potential in his first five and half seasons. I think something went wrong starting at the middle point of last year, when we were watching defensive collapses against WSU, ASU and Arizona … which carried over later into the season.

It started with his changing of his philosophy and going with players who provided more offense (theoretically) ala Shipp and Holiday rather than coming in with a defense first mentality. That mindset seeped into rest of the roster and has cracked the foundation he built and it has been exacerbated this season based on the way he has used players like Dragovic and Anderson.

However, your assessment that Howland didn’t fulfill his potential … is not something I can get aboard with. I think he did but lost his way in recent months.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Last season's elephant in the room was Darren Collison

Whose mind was simply not fully in several of those games. We all saw it. He had a disappointing senior year. In those losses to WSU, ASU, and Arizona, Collison was getting absolutely burned by the opposing pgs which disintegrated our whole defense. Blaming Shipp/Dragovic for those losses is sort of a red herring — their limits were always known, and we had won some great games anyway, but we could not overcome DC getting failing to stay in front of Rochestie, which he had never previously failed to do.

It’s tough to acknowledge because we all love DC, but I think he was the biggest problem with our collapse last year.

by bluebland on Jan 17, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Coach may have went soft

DC was supposed to go pro after his junior year. His stock was high. There was not much for him to improve upon. There was no way he was coming back and I was among those who were shocked and very appreciative when he did. Most players these days would not risk it under any circumstances. So CBH may have felt he owed DC something

But because of this CBH MAY (MAY) have went soft. On last year’s team DC should have been the 2 guard on offense. JH was uncomfortable at 2, and was not a good outside shooter. He was much better with the ball in his hands passing and going to the basket. DC was a deadly three point shooter and unlike like JH or Shipp a truly good outsider shooter. (Also, remember his freshmen year DC did play some 2 with PG Farmar on the court in what was some of the best offense of the CBH era.)

The problem is DC could never play 2 in the pros. He is too small. It is just for that for the team he needed to be 2 and JH needed to be 1. JH came thinking he would be the point (as DC would be in the pros) but CBH never let JH play point. The few minutes a game that DC sat, JA played. JA was not ready for D-1 then (or now) and there is no way he was the point if DC got hurt. Was he trying to protect DC?

Well maybe CBH went soft. He rewarded DC who made a great personal sacrifice for the team coming back his senior year and played DC at point, never letting JH get a whiff of it. (Even when it meant playing JA and hurting the team.)

That team was particularly out of whack on offense thus necessitating ND playing. It also hurt ML who should have been playing a lot of minutes as backup 2 and learning as a backup how to play more under control with little pressure. DC should have been playing 1 whenever JH was out and JA playing Soo (i.e. 0) minutes. ML should also have gotten some of MR’s minutes because MR is a nice kid who works hard but sorry he has slow feet and will always be a liability on defense. But last year we were desperate for offense because JH and DC did not play well together and needed ND and MR to play some minutes for instant offense (or more offense).

Thus MAYBE Coach went soft. He gave DC a reward for his personal sacrifice. He then played some guys who should not have got minutes, or as many minutes, in a desperate attempt to make it work, hurting ML’s development and causing more problems with the team now built around a good outside shooter who can’t play defense and a streaky shooter who doesn’t even try on defense.

On the flip side, I remember watching CBH’s first UCLA team when they did not even try to get an offensive rebound because it was all about getting back on defense. It probably cost us a game or two but it made a point and established a mentality. Team first, defense first.

I admit this could be out of whack. But I do know that while off seasons are understandable, a losing season at UCLA should not happen.

by DCBruins on Jan 17, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there is a valid point in there

which is that CBH may have damaged the long term health of his program in order to try in the short term to have success for DC (who would have been drafted equally highly if not higher had he left after his junior season) and for JS/PAA as well.

From a historical perspective, my recollection is that when Farmar and Collison were on the court together, Farmar was the one playing shooting guard, as he was the one with the more consistent shot-making ability in his sophomore year, while DC was able to use his raw speed with the ball in his hands at the point.

by britishbruin on Jan 18, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Now that this year is a complete trainwreck

I worry about the future. What recruit would want to come to a place that has no O and is comical at best on D? None of these guys are leaving anytime soon for NBA riches – so that appeal is out the window. And kids these days, for the most part, aren’t going to care much for those 4 letters they could have draped across their chests. The rebuilding schtick only works for coaches who have shown they are doing that. Things need to get better in a hurry – I’d like to think things have hit rock bottom, but there’s only so much weeks in a row you can keep telling yourself that.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

I doubt

McCallum will be coming here. It won’t be that difficult for opposing coaches to whisper sweet nothings about how Howland will be going with Abdul Hamid more next year because of “experience.”

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh he'll come here

play well even though we’ll still lose games and then bolt for the NBA

"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson

by AMM19 on Jan 17, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

has there ever been a coach who has re-built a major program,
and then re-built it again after having it bottom out under his watch?

it seems like an insurmountable task, given how much recruiting
is a game of perception.

by dervish on Jan 17, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

hopefully

the recruits we will get are not the ones who want to leave for NBA riches but are the ones who are hungry and want to learn – and who see playing for UCLA as a privilege, not as a means to an end. Some people have argued that CBH has been a victim of his own success, with more hyped players now wanting to come to UCLA because of his success in producing NBA draft picks and displacing the blue-collar players on which his success is really built. I don’t really buy it, but if we now “can’t” recruit one-and-done talent for a year or two, I’m not sure that is the biggest tragedy.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I am hoping for that as well

However, the key is to identify the right diamond-in-the-rough. It was Kerry Keating who got us DC and RW. Can’t remember who got us LRMAM and PAA (I think Keating got us PAA). However, don’t believe it was anyone in the current staff.

Looks like staff shakeup at the end of this season will be a critical issue to watch.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I might be way off

but didn’t we come across LRMAM by accident, insofar as we were scouting somebody else and happened to see him on the same court? I half-remember a story from back in the day…

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Howland saw him in Florida I think

Will have to look it up. I think it’s in our archives somewhere.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Nearly positive only one Cameroonian was the target

but I can’t remember which of AA or LRMAM was the player our staff was after and which was the “oh, he’s good, let’s get him too” surprise.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no way right now

we’ll get any one-and-dones to come and play for what I’m guessing will still likely be a low-level tournament team (unless our new PG is amazing), but CBH certainly can promise the chance to play. Beyond TH and probably RN, every starting job should be wide open.
 
Whether or not recruits will actually think once they get on the floor that they can stay there for more than one possession is another story, of course.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

year by year

2004 – (Inc) .. too soon to grade for me
2005 – (A+) different attitude had taken hold
2006 – (A+) thanks to emergence of Hollins
2007 – (A) showed our guts, but offensive inability gets exposed.. especially when you just can’t stop a team like Florida you have to generate good shots.
2008 – (B) too much talent to get owned in that final 4 against Memphis, this is when I began to really grow concerned about our bouts of stagnation on offense.
2009 – (A-) unlike most I actually think he did a decent job given the talent.. this should have been a decent down year type of season. We just had no interior defense with Aboya improving remarkably, but stuck as a center we couldn’t hope for much more than what we ended up with. In hindsight this grade could be lowered I suppose given that our frosh got very few minutes.
2010 – (F) zero improvement from game 1 up until now. Some players at times look more comfortable, but as a team we look totally clueless. That had led to an uneven effort which is frustrating beyond belief. They are making the game of basketball look so hard out there at times. I would argue are uneven effort is also directly correlated to a player like ND. If we are stuck relying on his good shooting to win us games then we are in serious trouble. I would rather go in the direction of good basketball players and size. We need to get the other team on their heels and get early fouls on other teams bigs. No settling for jumpers. I would also starting getting youth much more experience. This season is dead from a postseason perspective. I don’t want a Lavin pac10 tournament run if its not earned unless of course we miraculously started playing games like it means something and its fun out there the 2nd half of the season.

My overall grade counting this half season would now be a B. Coming into this season probably between a B+ and A- which is the minimum I would expect of a coach at UCLA. A solid B or B- for me would indicate a coach on the bubble. How we finish this season and next season are obviously critical to our long term health with CBH now. I approve in the end, but not my alot.

by Penny2i on Jan 17, 2010 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Really good post Penny2i

Although, I’d personally give him a A for 08 and a B for 09. Otherwise, in total agreement.

I think you should throw this up as a fanpost and ask how others would grade him year by year. Could be another very interesting discussion.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice assessment

Worry a little about banging inside given that no one can shoot >60% from the stripe, but jumpers aren’t working either. Nelson and Lee have some shown some ability to do some work inside – and even Roll on occasion. Next year will be interesting – either Howland conjures up the biggest turnaround in recent memory or the choice will be obvious. Would really hate to see the latter, but from where we sit now, I just can’t fathom this mix of coaching and talent orchestrating the former. There are just no bright spots.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

Whoops

that was supposed to be a reply to Penny2i

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year worries me

I am more and more sure that our problems lie with the roster, and not CBH’s system.

However, CBH’s selection of players over the last 3+ seasons produced this roster. And it wasn’t until this year that it became glaringly obvious (at least, to me) that his selection process has been flawed.

Unfortunately, next year’s class was selected using the same flawed process. This makes me wonder why we expect them to be any different from the last 2 classes, and why next year won’t be more of the same as this year.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jan 17, 2010 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

God we sound like SC

After a 9-4 season! The players are EXACTLY like them! A bunch of underachieving players with a great (game minded) coach.

I still can’t fathom the idea of putting Howland on the hotseat. I think we’re just overreacting to poor timing really, but still, this has been an abysmal season.

Let me put it this way: it’s 100% unacceptable, but have a little faith, Howland is a great coach

Formerly ucla13_usc9

by 03rdn9 on Jan 17, 2010 12:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

2 dud recruiting classes

In 4 seasons

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by 03rdn9 on Jan 17, 2010 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I say one

CBH left himself with a year in which he was only bringing in two recruits. He brought in Love, fine and he’s the one who pushed Stanback out the door so that’s on him. Had Stanback stayed, that’s not a dud recruiting class.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally forgot about him

He’s doing alright now at UNLV huh?

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by 03rdn9 on Jan 17, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Something like 10 and 6 in 25 minutes

Not a superstar by any means, but reports are that he’s playing very good defense so he’s a solid and valuable D-1 ballplayer.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Second that...

…Only one bad class: Last year. This year’s class is a good one, which incidentally is why I want to see more of them on the court. What we’re really missing is a damn point guard. Laz should solve that problem for us next year, and it will have an amazing affect on the whole team. I don’t think people realize how the lack of a competent (not great, just competent) point guard is hurting this team.

Howland is responsible for the lack of a competent PG on the current roster. But something tells me it wasn’t by accident that he is bringing in what I think is his first Juco transfer since coming to Westwood.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you can claim

this year’s class is a good one (or not) until we actually see more of them. TH is a keeper. Beyond that…BL? MM? AS? We haven’t seen enough of them to make a judgment, IMHO.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

you haven't been keeping score from B's warriors/scrubs post

according to that, all recruiting classes since DC/LRMAM/PAA/MR have been duds.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

…People are entitled to their opinion. I’m not buying. … Howland’s teams have, until this year, consistently played hard, fundamental, efficient basketball. His teams haven’t been flawless and I’ve had moments of frustration. The players were talented and they developed. We’ll be back next year. This year’s class is a good one, and Laz will fill in the missing link at the point. If I’m wrong then I’ll be wrong.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I absolutely buy your point

that our lack of point guard amplifies our deficiencies.

The other way of looking at it is: for 5 years we have had future NBA point guards running the point for us, which has helped mask our deficiencies.

We’ll see next year whether we need a great point guard for our team to succeed, or just a competent one.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Its easy to have a good system when its filled with future NBA guards. A real system works with the talent it has and can adapt.

by bruinponcho on Jan 17, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

"With the talent it has"...

…still implies “talent.” Our problem at the Point is we have none right now. And we don’t have a 2 who can handle the ball. Any system requires some form of talent. Adapting to the talent means throwing it down low when you’ve got Kevin Love on your roster and having more of a perimeter game when your marquee player is Afflalo.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless all the scouts are wrong

We certainly have some talent there, albeit it may not be fully developed. But that leads to the other question… where has our player development gone?

And, FWIW, we’ve always been a very perimeter oriented team… how many times did we do the “run the clock down and then go for a shot” type of game? I recall we took quite some time to get Love more involved in our games, and even then, it seemed to be a struggle at times

by nickramz on Jan 17, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Handling the ball...

part of me wonders if we shouldn’t try TH as a point forward. CBH would never do it, but it’s an interesting thought.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don't know what CBH can do this season

I think the best thing for this program would be to get new blood in the staff and CBH to make some changes there in the offseason. As it stands now, CBH runs a monarchy with a bunch of yes-man who don’t really bring much to either recruiting or advanced scouting. But changes there will have to wait for the offseason and knowing Howland, probably wont occur. Its much better in his mind to just keep doing the exact same thing even if it is failing than to switch to something that might be better.

As for this season, for the first time, I have no idea what to think. The Pac 10 is still terrible and we could very easily end up in the top 5 or get hot in the tournament and make the NCAA tournament. Of course, we could also not win another game all season too.

I would like to see BL get much more playing time, but not necessarily at the expense of ND. ND still gives a chance to win games, JK does not. BL can do everything that JK can do (which isn’t saying much), is taller, quicker, and not mentally destroyed like JK is.

I would also like to MAH get more minutes at backup point over JA. I know we worry about ruining JA’s ego, but he still doesn’t get it (the complaining after he pushed the SC player in the back on the breakaway was a embarrassing). MAH is a much better shooter than JA and at least has a little bit of heart, something JA has not shown.

As for MM, I agree with you Nestor that it would be nice if he got some playing time. Unfortunatley our only two consistent scoring options are MR and ML who play ahead of MM. MM could get some time as TH’s backup where he could play his more natural small forward position, but this would mean more time for ML at point (since JA/ML/MR is the lineup when TH goes out). This would be fine with me, but then poor JA gets left out again.

In sum, this season is a disaster. No player has really earned any playing time. Some of the starters aren’t getting it done, but the bench hasn’t exactly pushed the starters for their minutes either. The coach stubbornly pushing a square peg into a round hole hasn’t helped matters.

by bruinponcho on Jan 17, 2010 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

pegs and holes, Xs and Os...

I thought it was interesting to read that CBH wanted to reassert the identity of the team as a team that plays hard man-to-man defense. It seems that, from his perspective, playing zone was a concession to a short-term desire to try to get some Ws, even though he thinks in the long term it hurts us to play zone. Hence abandoning the zone when the game was getting out of reach against $C.

I get the impression that in the long term he wants to stick with the man defense, and so has no interest in making the double switch some people here on BN have called for: give the young bench players more time and play more zone. I think we are likely to see one or the other, not both, with zone defense liberally employed by our present starters as an attempt to eke out some wins from our remaining games. I don’t think we are going to see CBH try to protect youngsters by using zone, as this would be counterproductive even to the goal of developing those players; but he also seems to believe that most of our bench players cannot defend their position either.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t know if the zone was particularly focused on protecting the young players as much as protecting JA/MR/ND. Everything I said was wishful thinking. CBH hates the zone and has no faith in it. He doesn’t use it correctly (maybe subconsciously) and it doesn’t have amazing results. He will continue to use man-to-man and the players he has, neither of which is ideal.

One thing I wish we would hear from him is that he was personally embarrassed. He always mentions players/team/program that he is embarrassed, but never himself. Maybe that is the source of the lack of accountability that we get on JA/ND/DG for. I didn’t include ML becuase I really don’t know if ML cares either way. RN holds himself too accountable and beats himself up over every mistake, especially free throws—which are at least coming along as the season progresses.

by bruinponcho on Jan 17, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I love most about that kid (RN)

He is the one player on the roster who seems to have it all – talent, size, accountability, drive and leadership ability. I just hope he doesn’t end up a complete basket case when this season’s over.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol not size

He has great drive and descent talent. Leadership has yet to be seen. But RN definitely doesn’t have good size. He is much closer to 6’6" than 6’8" has marginal athleticism. Still love him, but lets not get ridiculous here.

by bruinponcho on Jan 17, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a legit D-1 player

and can be very, very effective when he gets the chance to play PF, his natural position, but he’s not prototypical physically by any means.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

His size and athleticism are only average for a PF, but his effort and skillset will make him effective (particularly if he has some help!)

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year will be telling

With Josh Smith coming and maybe JMM having another good summer working on his body, hopefully RN will be able to move to power forward full time next year. He can be a very good D-1 power forward, but will only be a marginal at best center. I really hope Smith is able to come in and start.

by bruinponcho on Jan 17, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Smith is the starter

JMM will get time too and based on what I’m hearing on Stover, he’s developing enough that he can come in and play a few minutes a game with good interior defense and rebounding. I think we’ll see very little of RN at the 5 next year. The key for him to become a real consistent scoring threat though will be the development of a good 10-12 foot jumper.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

ok fine - got a little carried away

let’s just say he plays bigger than his physical dimensions …

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Spot on Post, Brit

I think we’ll soon see more of the youth movement as the season gets more and more out of hand. Unfortunately, that means things may get even uglier. But at this point, what I want to see most is five guys on the floor, fully focused, giving their all. I can live with the mistakes as long as we’re learning from them.

by snorkeldorf on Jan 17, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Words Matter

With all due respect to Nestor and others who agree with him, Ben Howland’s words of contrition and responsibility do matter. I’ve been around long enough to hear post-Wooden basketball coaches other than the Lizard whine about how UCLA fans have unrealistic expectations, and that college basketball is full of parity (unlike the 60s and 70s). I’ve heard them complain that I should be happy with 20 win seasons and NCAA appearances.

The fact that Howland takes responsibility for the drek I’m seeing on the court and is determined to deliver NCAA championships matters. It tells me he’s determined to right this ship. Now, any coach that can’t get it done doesn’t deserve to keep his job simply because he accepts responsibility for his failure. But that doesn’t follow that his words don’t matter.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 12:58 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

True

but those words mattered a lot more after the State school losses – they matter less and less with every additional listless performance. Incremental improvement would be acceptable. 1 step forward and 2 steps back is a little harder to swallow.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

If we're going through this again next year...

…They won’t matter. I just think the context needs proper framing. It’s one bad year. I can’t stand it. But having lived through 25 years of coaches who didn’t get our tradition and knowing how hard it is to find one, I’m not going to dismiss them. Maybe my feelings are due to the fact that I don’t buy into the “we’re playing listless and uninspired” argument. I see it as a talent issue (which is the coach’s fault.)

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I kinda agree with that

A better choice of words (than listless) – at least from my perspective – might be a lack of focus and discipline – and that comes from both a lack of talent and of preparation. Ordinarily I would buy into the one bad year argument, but this is worse than bad – and it’s starting to look less and less likely that it will be confined to just one. We’ll see – I do really hope you’re right, I’ve only had to live through the last 4 coaches…

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

I think it’s hard to say this without it sounding like I’m excusing this season, but Howland in some sense has earned a Mulligan. Not because of the three final fours, per se. But because of how well his teams played in every season beginning with his second, and because he developed talent, as opposed to just giving it a place to park because of the NBA age requirement.

Five to 10 years from now there is a really good chance we’ll be looking back at this year as a major aberration. Again, can’t stress enough how the PG situation affects us on both ends of the court. Additionally, last year’s busted recruiting class means we have basically no Soph class, forget that we have no good juniors or seniors beyond the role players because of attrition to the NBA. So that leaves us with a bunch of frosh who aren’t ready yet, but will be next year. That doesn’t excuse the mistakes or the performance or the poor recruits, but I think we need to put everything in context.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for adding that perspective

Hope it’s just a perfect storm – I think we pretty much agree on that. Just so damn hard to be patient at a time like this.

by Nocal Bruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff muir

It’s so long and has a lot of good things that you may want to consider fanshotting this. The point about city players is something that I talked about at the game yesterday when the game was well out of reach and we began talking about recruiting. We’re invisible in the inner city, which is a shame. Some kids can’t get the grades to get in, but not all of them and we really need more of a presence there. I’ve been campaigning on his behalf for a while now and I’ll keep it going. I’d really like to snag Jordin Mayes.

Formerly ryebreadraz

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Inner city

So true Ryan. All game yesterday I just kept thinking that the game was like a youth league or high school matchup between a suburban and inner city team. The suburban team might have more talent and do drills better, but they just don’t have the attitude or hunger like the inner city team. This leads to being weak both with the ball and on defense with the more aggressive team just owning the weak suburban kids. Unless the suburban kids are far more talented, they are going to get beat.

by bruinponcho on Jan 17, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Love the point on recruitment

We’ve definitely had most of our success recruiting from the inner city/city schools, valley schools, long beach, and I’ll even say that our San Bernardino/Riverside county schools have treated us well. Let’s take a look back:

2004
Jordan Farmar – Taft High School – Valley
Arron Afflalo – Centennial High School – City
Lorenzo Mata-Real – South Gate Senior High School – City
Josh Shipp – Fairfax Senior High School – City
DeAndre Robinson – Martin Luther King High School – Riverside

2005
Darren Collison – Etiwanda High School – San Bernardino
Alfred Aboya – Tilton School – Out of state – NH
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute – Monteverde Academy – Out of state – FL
Ryan Wright – Loyola Catholic SS – Out of state – Mississauga, ON
Mike Roll – Aliso Niguel HS – Orange County

2006
Russell Westbrook – Leuzinger High School – City
James Keefe – Santa Margarita Catholic High School – Orange County
Nikola Dragovic – Out of state – Serbia

2007
Kevin Love – Lake Oswego High School – Out of state – OR
Chace Stanback – Fairfax Senior High School – City

2008
Jrue Holiday – Campbell Hall – Private school in LA
J’mison Morgan – South Oak Cliff High School – Out of state – TX
Jerime Anderson – Canyon High School – Orange County
Malcolm Lee – John W. North High School – Riverside
Drew Gordon – Archbishop Mitty High School – San Jose

2009
Tyler Honeycutt – Sylmar Senior High School – Valley
Reeves Nelson – Modesto Christian – Central Valley
Brendan Lane – Rocklin High School – Central Valley
Mike Moser – Grant High School – Out of state – OR
Anthony Stover – Windward School – Private school in LA

The jury is still out on our latest class, but I think the trend is pretty obvious… our favorite Ben Ball Warriors have predominantly come from the City, Valley, or out of state. Our out of country recruits haven’t fared so well (note: PAA and LRMAM went to school here first). Our orange county recruits are no more than role players. Kind of confirms what a lot of scouts have been saying really.

In fact, looking at it again, our toughest players and leaders came from the same places. Look at LMR… he wasn’t the most talented big on the offensive end, but no one questions his toughness and effort, particularly on D. And you probably won’t find more tenacious defenders and competitors than AA and RW, who both came from inner city schools. And so far, seeing TH, it looks like the Valley is still giving us talent. Orange County has been nothing but repeated duds.

I know that academic standards make it hard to get people from certain areas time after time, but it is interesting to see what has happened

by nickramz on Jan 17, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This is a fantastic post nick

Again, please put them up in fanpost section. This is really interesting and deserves its own discussion thread.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

And the incoming class

Josh Smith – Kentwood HA, out of state, WA
Lazeric Jones – JC transfer, OOS Illinois
Tyler Lamb – Mater Dei, Orange County

Hmm.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jan 17, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

tyler lamb

isn’t really an oc guy. he’s from ontario and played at colony. think he transferred to mater dei for senior season? that should make us feel a lil better…

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Jan 18, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn, I'd love to see

a player like LMR on this team.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

spot on Muir

thorough and balanced …
do you hold any hope for a turn around by CBH?

given what you say, the seeds for this season were sowed years ago
by style of play and resulting recruiting…

by dervish on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

great post

loved the points you put out there!

by nickramz on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

if Moser and Lane are projected as bench players -

 - and not even necessarily first off the bench at that, then the argument about playing them to get them experience gets a bit weaker.

This year we are arguably in a mess because our 3 projected sophomore starters – JA, ML, DG – did not get much playing time as freshmen.

Next year’s projected sophomore starters – RN and TH – are getting plenty of playing time as freshmen.

However, your point about attitude adjustment makes sense.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

muir

You need to put this in a fanpost.

by Nestor on Jan 17, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jan 17, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree 100% with your thoughts muir

I’m grateful to CBH for rebuilding the program after the Lizard. I’ve had concerns about CBH for years but never voiced them because 1) we were winning so how could I complain and 2) even if I did point out my concerns, I’d sound crazy or be one of those fans with unrealistic expectations that will never be satisfied.

Izzo is someone that is similar to CBH IMO. Izzo is a defense first coach who brought a footballesque toughness to the hardwood just like CBH. Izzo is famous for putting a lid on the basket and having his players literally beat each other up for a rebound. However, I’ve seen Izzo change his philosophy based on his teams strengths. With a Kalen Lucas, you see Michigan St. play a more up tempo game but still play hard nosed defense as well. I have yet to see CBH change his style based on the strengths of his team. When KL verballed to us, I thought that CBH would finally open up the offense to take advantage of what I believed to be the strength of our team. We had a really quick lineup with DC/RW/JS and a PF in Luc who could outrun most other 4’s. I thought I’d see a more up tempo offense with KL throwing those outlet passes with guys filing the lanes. Yet, CBH continued to run his set offense. I’m not saying he should have entirely abandoned his offense but I think he needed to open up the offense to maximize the strengths of his roster.

You are spot on in your observation that CBH will have a hard time recruiting elite level guards. That may sound crazy considering the guards CBH has sent to the NBA recently but as you’ve noted, the word is out. Simply put, CBH’s style of play is not attractive to elite level guards.

CBH is allergic to playing FR. He didn’t play ML and JA which is really hurting us right now. This year, he is not playing Lane and Moser which will hurt us next year. Jones/Smith/Lamb and whomever we get to fill out the rest of this class will help but they won’t drastically improve this team like others may think. I’m with the people that have pointed out how someone like Drago gets to make boneheaded mistakes and still get time while Moser or Lane get yanked immediately upon making a mistake. I expect errors from FR but not from a SR. In order for guys like Moser/Lane to improve, you have to allow them to make these mistakes and grow from them. Yanking them off the court only destroys their confidence and stunts their development. We read how Kevin Durant wanted to come to UCLA. If Durant came to UCLA, he would not have been POY like he did at Texas. People can argue if they want but he would not have had the freedom to do what he did at Texas. So if you’re an elite level recruit, why would you come to UCLA if you cannot showcase your talents. Yes, KL was able to do his thing but he is the exception rather than the rule.

I’m severely disappointed in the performance of the team and the state of the program. I’m disappointed to see CBH being so stubborn and not making adjustments as well. However, I’m still behind CBH because he has built up a lot of goodwill with me. He has represented UCLA with class, restored the program and brought us numerous victories. I hope CBH can make adjustments/reinvent himself like an Izzo because if he doesn’t, there will be a point where he loses my support which is really hard for me to say.

by BlueReign on Jan 17, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Coach Izzo

Does Coach Izzo use the zone? I don’t watch too many of his games, but I thought I’ve seen him utilize zone before – I do know of hearing that Coach Izzo has taught how to attack zones extensively though

by nickramz on Jan 17, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember

a lot of people ragging on the students for not showing up for MS State. What do we tell them now if others plan on staying away as has been stated the past 24 hours?

by BruinFanGA on Jan 17, 2010 1:11 PM PST reply actions  

UCLA basketball 2010 and beyond

After following UCLA sports for decades, i have decided that the administration can tolerate a football program that is up and down, but not basketball. If the administration now will tolerate a basketball program that, more than likely, will not be a .500 team this year, 6 years or so into the BH era, then something is all wrong. Either we are recruiting bad talent (see this year’s team), or talent that is only on loan for a year or two (NBA types), but this is a big error for BH. I believe the team has tuned him out (Dragovic for sure) and is not as intense as he wants them to be. So you can add lack of team control during games to the other issues.

I always thought a really good coach was one who adapted to the talent presented, and still believe that is the case. We have not seen that with BH.
Bill

Mensgym

by Mensgym on Jan 17, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

Slightly OT -- This was a game against sc -- didn't they get that?

to come out so flat in our rivalry game was disgusting.

Or does the rivalry mean nothing to this age group.

To us Geezers, it meant everything. You don’t want to lose, in anything, to sc. And, not the way we lost, yesterday.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 17, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

By their expressions, it meant something more to them

They clearly wanted it, but it comes back to “flipping the switch.” It’s hard to do, even when you really want to. It’s why you need to come out with the fire of a SC game every game.

Formerly ryebreadraz

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 17, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

that was the most surprising aspect to me

we have been up and down all season with wild fluctuations in effort, it seems. Understandable (though not excusable) for a young, struggling squad. What seems highly surprising is that we didn’t get ourselves up for playing $C at home. We can bang on Howland for that, but you shouldn’t need your coach to motivate you for a rivalry game; and I think it speaks volumes about the (lack of) leadership from any of the players.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's completely on-topic.

A coach’s job is preparing his team, both in learning skills and preparing for opponents. To have us play like complete crap against $C – against $C in Pauley, no less – only highlights the frustration. Then again, I graduated in ’94. It would be interesting to hear from current students or recent grads on the hate-$C vibe on campus these days.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Once more on ML vs CBH

I may be reading too much into it, but I thought this exchange was unsettling:

One reason for UCLA’s poor performance, at least according to Lee: USC’s advance scouting.

“They really had our plays scouted really well,” he said. “The second half they forced us to go more in motion; they were defending our set plays really well. It can be a little frustrating, because it feels like they know what we’re doing. Man, we have to have a counter for that.”

Sounds to me like ML is throwing CBH under the bus a little there, to phrase things like that when talking to a reporter.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

If CBH wont take responsiblity, maybe it has to be forced on him

I mentioned above and so did Nestor about how CBH doesn’t find his own performance “embarrassing.” I have no problem with ML stating the truth and what was painfully obvious to anyone watching the game, except maybe CBH and his staff.

by bruinponcho on Jan 17, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

worries me more about the state of discord inside the locker room; I can’t disagree with him that we were outcoached.

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he was personally embarrassed...

…I’m pretty sure when he said “I’m embarrassed” for the program, of which he is the coach, clearly indicates that he is personally embarrassed.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That's How I Read it as well

I think Howland is holding himself fully accountable.

by snorkeldorf on Jan 17, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Lee is full of excuses...

…And his excuses always involve making sure everybody knows its not his fault that he played poorly. He’s thrown the team under the bus previously complaining that the opposition wanted it more than UCLA, now he blames Howland’s lack of scouting. Say what you want about CBH but the guy watches as much film as anyone — he’s militant about it. Lee’s problem is that he thinks he’s a good ball player. Actually, he thinks he’s NBA material. He’s barely D-1 material, although he’s shown some promise this year at times. He’s as responsible as anyone for the games we’ve lost this year. I’ve actually been pleased with his progress this year, all things considered, and been high on him. But I’m about done with his excuses and blaming others. Maybe he didn’t pay attention in practice or watch enough film. Although I wonder what that has to do with turnovers and blown D assignments.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if that were true, I don’t think his quote is exactly wrong… USC locked us down on defense and we just weren’t prepared for it

by nickramz on Jan 17, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

now he blames Howland’s lack of scouting

That’s not what Lee said.
I read it more as: “SC defended our plays really well and we never adapted”.
He basically accused CBH of not coaching during the game, not of not scouting.

Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info

by cybermaldonado on Jan 17, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's what $C had to prepare for:

play 1: Throw the ball around the perimeter, pray ML gets open for a 3.
 
play 2: Throw the ball around the perimeter, pray ND gets open for a 3.
  
play 3: Throw the ball around the perimeter, ML and ND aren’t open, find someone else to shoot a 3.
 
and, of course, play 4: ND chucks it from wherever he is, the second he gets the ball.
 
It’s pretty easy to scout that – I just did.

by KSBruin on Jan 17, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah

We run a bunch of plays that we have been running all the time. Multiple screens etc.

The trouble is, you can scout Howland from 3 years ago and he is doing the same thing. I keep saying this: sustaining a program is harder than turning it around (or at least different). Everyone now knows his system (offense and defense). That means you need better players to win which we dont have this year.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 18, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Whether his quote is correct or not...

…is beside the point when it comes to Lee. This guy is not a team leader and has not performed well. And yet it’s always someone else’s fault — his teammates’ or his coach. He hasn’t earned the right to act this way in public. And if he had I bet he’d handle this in house like a grown-up.

Now, aside from Lee there are merits to your point. But that’s a separate issue.

by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 17, 2010 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Who is the leader?

Nobody has stepped up to take that role. Last year and this year’s recruiting classes so far have been complete busts, and no one seems to be taking responsibility and doing something to change the climate. Everyone involved in the program needs to reassess what is going wrong and commit to making it work. It’s too bad that none of the players have committed to making it work and the coaching staff has been too stubborn to make changes. It’s not like Howland forgot how to coach or these players forgot how to play. They all need to start doing whatever is necessary to salvage their seasons and their careers.

by UCLA4Life on Jan 17, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

For anyone looking for motivation

and/or light entertainment, my brother just sent me a link to a youtube video of Mr T motivating kids. You can look at it here

While the title is good in itself (“Be Somebody… or be somebody’s fool!”), there are nuggets of genius spread throughout. The Pyramid of Success it ain’t, but wordplay like “Use your temper, don’t lose your temper!” is pretty inspiring… :-)

by britishbruin on Jan 17, 2010 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

Who plays? Who sits?

Seems clear to me. These guys showed up against $C, at least for some significant period of time: Nelson, Roll, Lee, Honeycutt, and, amazingly, Abdul-Hamid and Keefe. I also believe, as a matter of personal opinion, that we should see more of Moser and Lane. Drago for a heat check only; Anderson for competent relief . With Drago out, maybe we could learn to bring the M/M D up to an acceptable level. And let ‘em run; patience might work for Roll’s offense, but not for Drago’s when he is under pressure; he will never get a decent shot off.

by ReineSeite on Jan 17, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

Nestor

Agree whole heartedly, particularly as concerns CBHs inconsistent message to his players. Does playing defense hard give you playing time? Depends on who you are Will you get yanked if you make a mistake? Depends on who you are. Will we play a zone? Only if we are down double digits.

And contrary to what others have said, last year’s team was not a great coaching job by Howland. He didn’t win the conference, lost in the second round of the Pac 10 tourney and lost in the second round of the NCAA tourney, despite returning 3 senior starters with a lot of experience, a freshman who was the number 1 recruit in the country, and decent depth.

The wheels have been coming off the wagon for a longer than just this year, I just don’t think we were seeing it clearly.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Jan 17, 2010 10:09 PM PST reply actions  

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