Bruins can't shoot early or defend, get clawed by the Wildcats
In this week's podcast, I did predict a split of this weekend's series with the Arizona schools, only I got the victorious opponents mixed up. The Bruins follow up Thursday's gutwrenching victory over Arizona State with a 77-63 defeat at the hands of Arizona that never really felt that close. The Bruins fall to 6-8 for the season, and 1-1 in the Pac-10. Here is the box score.
At one point late in the 2nd half, the CBS crew described the game as a story of two half's for the Bruins. While true that the Bruins were able to hold serve against the Wildcats in the second half, the performance in the first half rivaled Mississippi State as the worst stretch of basketball played by the Bruins this season. 21% Shooting from the field together with 8 turnovers and a 27-15 advantage on the boards by Arizona led to a 35-20 halftime deficit that the Bruins could not overcome. The Bruins surged late in the second half, Malcolm Lee's 14 points part of the team's 15-25 (60%) performance from the field that was countered by 7 more Bruin turnovers and 56% shooting by the Wildcats. Nikola Dragovic could not carry Thursday's shooting performnace into this morning, shooting 2-7 overall, and 0-5 from behind the arc. To his credit, he did hit 7-8 free throws, giving him another double-digit scoring effort.
There are not many positives to take away from today's game. After being limited in Thursday afternoon's game due to illness, Tyler Honeycutt played 24 minutes and continued to show promise, with 4 points on 2-4 shooting and bringing in 7 rebounds. Michael Roll and Malcolm Lee tied for the team lead with 15 points each, though both players struggled mightily in the first half and into the second before finding some signs of life late. After showing improvement from the line early in the first half, the team's struggles continued, wasting a 30-21 free throw advantage over Arizona by missing 10 shots from the line.
As much as the Bruin offense struggled this morning, the team's performance on defense was even more of a dissapointment. A normally weak rebounding Arizona team took 12 offensive rebounds (outrebounding the Bruins 38-31 overall) and shot 48% from the field, while burning the Bruin's man defense again and again. Not going to call out any individual defenders, not because I feel bad about doing so, but becase this defensive perfomance was a true team effort.After going to a zone defense for significant portions of Thursday's game against ASU, Coach Howland declined to use this D at all today. Maybe he thought that Jamelle Horne's hot shooting from outside early in the contest made the zone unwise, but given the abuse heaped on our man D by Derrick Williams (16 points, 9 rebounds) and Kyle Fogg (career high 25 points!), that may have been a risk worth taking.
This is your Saturday post-game thread. Have at it.
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it is beyond me
how bad our blocking out is in every game. I just don’t understand how this is happening to a howland coached team. I don’t buy the “we have worse athletes” excuses at all. we are getting killed on the boards and it is because we block out like an intermural team.
(this was a response to Bruinponcho’s comment on the last thread, but then thread closed)
[caveat – I missed 5 mins in the second half when they switched us off]
while ND didn’t make any outside shots, he had a pretty efficient game offensively. His 2-7 shooting doesn’t tell the whole story, given he got fouled inside on 3 or 4 shots inside (sometimes very cynically, like when he was going up for a layup and the guy pulled his shooting arm away). He then stood up and made 7 of 8 from the line for a pretty efficient 11 points on 7 field-goal attempts, better than Roll, Nelson (who couldn’t convert his FTs) and Lee (even after ML rescued his stat line somewhat once the game was out of reach). ND also had 3 assists, 1 TO, and would have had more assists if MR and RN had finished layups. Given our lack of front-court depth and RN’s still-developing offensive game, I think going to ND inside could be useful; it seemed to work decently today.
JA was a horrible liability defensively (along with most of the team) but at least took care of the ball (4 assists, 1 TO) and didn’t force bad shots. ML had his worst offensive game for a while with turnovers and forced shots from all over the court, which weren’t falling until the last few minutes, but seemed to me to be one of our better (or ‘least burned’) defensive players. MR really didn’t get it done at either end of the court, but picked his offense up at the end; but too little too late. RN needs to start hitting his free throws or he is going to get fouled every time he goes up with the ball, and while he is not being making the glaring defensive errors of some of his teammates he still has room to improve in the team defense.
I like TH and he improves game-by-game; defensively, I think sometimes he flatters to deceive by making athletic-looking plays to recover from poor position, and he doesn’t seem to be able to hold his ground when the ball is coming off the defensive glass (which will no doubt improve has he matures physically). Per your comment, he may be a better player than JA and have more to contribute, but ML has been inconsistent running the point in the last couple of games and may be more effective with JA at the point. If ML becomes more consistent, I think CBH will find more minutes for TH. TH may just flat out warrant the playing time, though, if JA doesn’t step up defensively – or if TH starts knocking down some mid-range shots to set up his drives to the basket.
JMM is still off the pace, and doesn’t do enough with his strength to make up for his utter lack of speed. BL …. I have no idea what BL is. He seems lost offensively and defensively; I realize he hasn’t had many minutes, but he looks awful to me every time he is on the court. JK gave some help defensively today and got some rough calls, but can’t do much offensively and misses FTs badly.
Defensively today we had a combination of letting their guards burn us, getting outmuscled on the boards, and allowing their outside shooters too much space. These things seem to flow from each other in our scheme – if their guards get behind us, our bigs are contesting shots (though not actually blocking them or forcing the guard to give up the ball) rather than boxing out and getting in position for the rebound, and AZ were also able to penetrate, kick, and swing to the open man.
And yeah
I realize he played great defense. But given how much his peeps have been pimping his potential as NBA player, he was a total joke. Aaron Afflalo, Russell Westbrook, he is not.
not disagreeing
both had terrible games. JA particularly terrible defensively, ML horrible offensively until the very last stretch.
Re. JA
Fogg just destroyed him. It was just sad to watch. He looked utterly helpless. I think at one point Howland tried using Roll to “D” him up. That didn’t help. That leads to the question why didn’t we try some zone in the first?
my guesses would be
that CBH’s gameplan was predicated so much on stopping Nic Wise – who had scored 15 or (much) more in each of AZ’s wins while dishing out ~5 assists in each win – that he didn’t think that the rest of AZ’s team could continue to hurt us as badly as they did; and that letting Wise pick the soft spots in our nascent zone wouldn’t have been any more effective. But given we shut down Glasser with our zone against ASU, I’m not sure that is convincing…
Lee played great defense?
He got burned time after time and could never stay in front of his man.
But got toasted in the second.
Not as bad as Jerime, but still nowhere close to satisfactory in my view.
He was in my mind
Because I have been hearing about all the chatter about him going “pro.” It’s laughable really. And it’s not just him. The effort from him typified what we were getting from his class-mates.
That brings me to Howland. I wonder if he has lost these players. We have seen few game now in which the players were just not trying. At least that’s what I saw in the games against Mississippi State, Portland State and now today. It’s surreal. I wonder what is going on. Has he lost these players? If so he is not going to get them back by keep giving them the mins.
Howland
I’m tired of analyzing what’s wrong and I’m sure you are as well. I just know I watched a few possessions of each Kentucky and Louisville and we wouldn’t belong in the gym if we were playing either. That leads me to believe Howland just doesn’t have the seniors to influence the team together and he doesn’t have the horses, like a Cousins or Wall, to pick up the slack and deficiencies of a typical freshman class. Or he’s not coaching the team right and it’s causing the vicissitudes. It’s discouraging that we have guys like Bobo, Keefe, Moser and Lane, who can’t contribute, when Howland gave them UCLA scholarships. Is he getting the most out of them? Kentucky and Louisville just look stronger, more explosive, more organized and more durable.
Don't Even Have To be Seniors
RW was a sophomore, and was extremely influential to the team that season. It wasn’t just his talent, he absolutely insisted that the team motor through droughts by sheer will and personality.
I watched the Louisville-KY game, too, and they are both powerful, determined and impressive. I’m not sure I think KY is disciplined enough to roll through the tourney, though…I have no faith that Calipari can or will control their behavior that far. Big props to Louisville for coming back, taking the lead, refusing to be intimidated by thugville.
Love My Bruins
Played to potential
Anderson is a solid PG and nothing more, which means he’s prone to games like this. Malcolm Lee is talented but young and still developing, which means he’s prone to games like this. UCLA is chalk full of potential and young talent, which means games like Thursday’s against ASU are bound to be followed up by today vs. UofA — particularly now that conference has started and the opposition can really break down film of us. Looking forward to Zeke Jones giving us true leadership and real talent at the Point Guard/Floor General position. And looking forward to Nelson, Honeycutt, et al, with a year of experience under their belt. Honeycutt showed today he really has a nose for the ball. But this year’s team is what it is. … Doesn’t mean I like it, was almost thrown out of the bar for cursing while I watched.
by Bruin Die Hard on Jan 2, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
+1 on most everything
Re ND: I actually commented (to a fellow BN poster standing next to me) that at least in terms of getting inside, drawing the foul, and converting the FTs, ND was playing better PG than our PGs. It was not completely (or even mostly) a compliment to ND.
by b d on Jan 2, 2010 2:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good points
I think for the second straight game ND was our best player. He has emerged as the best playmaker on this team as far as setting up his teammates (more of an indictment on JA an ML than a compliment to ND).
JA being a starting point guard in the Pac 10 is such a joke. I don’t care how much it affects ML and his NBA dream to play shooting guard, JA cant play point. Neither can MR play small forward as it makes it harder for him to get shots off against bigger opponents and hurts the team overall on rebounding. The problem with JA is that he views dribbling the ball up the court without turning the ball over as an accomplishment. Having him out there makes for a team that only has at most 4 offensive options. There is no point in even discussing his defense. I’d much rather see Spencer Soo in there at this point and see if he can bring some intensity or MAH who has shown the ability to make jumpers than JA. He really is one of the worst players I have ever seen at starting point guard in all my years of watching college basketball.
I wish we played more like USC. Whether it was Floyd or now Oneil, they play at most 6 players and put there best players on the court for the entire game. Subbing BL, JK, and JMM for a minute here or a minute there makes no sense. With all the timeouts that CBH calls, fatigue should never be a factor. Play ML, MR, TH, ND, and RN all 40 minutes if you have to. They are the only five players on this roster that have the talent to play at this level.
What is sad
In the first half, I was thinking about your posts from last 24-48hrs and now I find myself nodding to your first para. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.
That said
He is still an enigma. He had a terrible shooting day today which falls in line with him going cold for few games after having a good one. He also seems to lose it mentally when he doesn’t make his initial shots. That said at least his effort on the offensive end to at least create some shots or find his team-mates was lot more than anything else we saw from rest of this team-mates. That’s not saying much either.
This is one of the most listless and uninspiring UCLA basketball team I have seen in a while. It’s unbelievable really. And this really falls on Howland. It’s up to him to find the best combination, adapt/adjust as needed to get the most talented guys on the court. I am not confident right now whether that’s the case at this point of time.
Not a Happy New Year for the Bruins.
Just got back from the game, it was a very disappointing start to the New Year. I haven’t looked at the stats yet but it seemed that every time Jerime Anderson was in the game our offense slowed down, our defense became weaker and U of A went on another run. When will his minutes finally be reduced???
It was also disgusting to hear the U of A fans gloating in Pauley.
Patience
In the last seven days, both Fran Fraschilla and Greg Anthony have urged the UCLA fan base to take a giant bite ouf of that four letter “P” word. But I ask you this Greg and Fran ….. doesn’t “patience” imply that we have begun to re-build? Folks, we are not re-building. Instead, we are winnowing. Re-building comes when roster cornerstones are signed and arrive on campus.
BTW re. zone
If I am not mistaken, I think we did see it … until it was very late (and all but over) late in the second half. It was a decent effort too and I think Fogg hit a desperate attempt. It was already way too late. Just didn’t make any sense.
They played it a bit in the 1st half too
I don’t remember it making much difference though.
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 2, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
One possesion
After the game was effectively out of reach, CBH finally went to the zone for one play. After a near turnover and then a long shot to beat the shot clock, UA got a rebound and scored. Because it didn’t “work” the first time, this was enough to convince CBH that his way that had failed all game was right and to abandon the zone.
Agreed That This Was A TTL
(total team loss.) In general, they don’t start well, so the game gets away from them early and their body language shows that they are discouraged and do not believe they can pick it up and come back. (Whether they can or not is not the issue. They don’t believe they can. They seem to give up on themeselves and each other, and lack the ability to rally, mentally.)
Each team is sort of a puzzle, and this one is clearly more difficult than those we’ve had in the past. I’m still hoping that CBH can get to the point that each of these kids will be playing “the very best of which they are each capable.” That’s all I ask.
Love My Bruins
This is karma
For all the spoiled fans who were whining about how we were too defensive all those final four years.
I can’t believe how many awful defenders are on this team. Anderson can’t guard a statue, and as much as I love Reeves, he is pretty hopeless on D as well.
Not only that
The team is just incompetent on the fast break. Players off the ball don’t expect the pass, or even if they do they’re unable to handle it. A lot of passes are thrown out of bounds. Any time a shot is challenged, they can never finish. The best they ever seem to do is getting to the line and occasionally sinking both.
by SuperBruinMan on Jan 2, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Horrible spacing
The fast break performance today was really pathetic. There really is no excuse for not being able to run a fastbreak by the time you are in college. Players were running right next to each other, throwing uncatchable passes, and not catching the few reasonable passes. Cant blame CBH on this one.
+1
Completely agree: unfocused, no concentration, no awareness of your position vis a vis teammates and the ball = “running,” not fast break.
Love My Bruins
Why Not Blame Howland
Who else is there to blame for not teaching them how to run a fast break? Should we blame their high school coaches? I won’t give CBH a pass any more. For so many of the reasons stated on this site I think he is doing a horrible job this year of prepping the team and selecting (and sticking to) a starting lineup that makes sense. Until he does, the team will occassionally perform well (as when ND hits first 6 threes) but over the long haul will show themselves to be non cohesive and listless (to use a term from an above post).
If players cant run a simple fastbreak, that is on them
There are lots of things to blame CBH for, such as the lineup issue that you mentioned. But if players cant even properly run something as simple as a 3 on 1 fast break, that is on those players.
Defense?
If you can’t defend, you use a zone-not for one play. I do not care how much CBH disdains the zone but every great coach adapts. JA is not an on -ball defender never was never will be. There is no excuse or alibi available for this group-they are just very good
Zone Defense
is one of the reasons the Bruins won the ASU game. This team cannot defend anyone off the dribble. No way, no how. Howland should stick to the 2-3 zone defensively.
I was at the game today, too. One of my most disheartening experiences in Pauley Pavilion
I can accept my team losing a hard-fought battle to a superior opponent. What I can’t accept is watching my team just go through the motions without showing any competitive desire whatsoever. Sadly, that’s what I had to witness today.
Two days ago, Arizona was held to 30% shooting by USC (who from what I saw, played man-to-man defense.) Today, that same Arizona team shot 48.3%. You can’t convince me that the roster at USC is that incredibly athletically superior to ours, so I’m led to believe that the difference in defensive effectiveness comes down to effort, teamwork, desire, and coaching. I never thought I’d see the day when a Howland-led team was deficient in all of those areas, but sad to say, that was the reality today. I wish we could write it off as an aberration, but it’s the same thing that we saw in the contests vs Miss St and Long Beach State.
I know people here are clamoring for more zone, but no defense is going to be effective if it’s played at half speed. No defense is going to be effective if players aren’t communicating. No defense is going to be effective if you can’t secure a rebound.
I’m also surprised that people are lauding Dragovic as the player of the game (even if it’s only by default). Yes, he got fouled in the post and made his free throws, but from my vantage point, he set the tone for the lackluster performance today. He missed all of his outside shots once again, was not an effective rebounder, and was constantly torched on defense…again. And once again, he was the only player not held accountable by Coach Howland. If Honeycutt, Anderson, Nelson, Keefe etc. made a bad play, they were given the hook. For Dragovic, there were no repercussions. And he knows it. This was evident by the no-look touch pass he delivered in the last minute of the game when catching the ball and making a layup was the only play to make. Granted, the game was effectively over by then, but it just boggled my mind that he went for a flashy play in that circumstance.
Anyway, this is my team, and I will cheer for them through good times and bad. But I would appreciate it if they would give me something to cheer for. And at this point, I’m not even talking about victories. I’m talking about passion for the game.
by insomniacslounge on Jan 2, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions
Yep
I think Dragovic was “OK” but I say that in relative to others (which is not much). The lack of passion among players is extremely worrisome.
passion/energy/hustle etc
In years gone by, backup players came onto the court and gave it their all and lifted the energy of the team in short bursts (I am thinking of LMR in his non-starting years, ditto PAA, DC as a freshman, RW as a freshman). Our starting lineup is not at all athletic, and TH is the only one who brings any enthusiasm off the bench.
Nailed it
This is why I would rather have CBH only play five players (ML, MR, TH, ND, RN) similar to USC. The bench brings absolutely nothing to the table, either by talent or by energy. I understand giving them experience, but playing BL and JMM (not to mention JA) does not help this team win games at all.
What CBH may be trying to do
CBH accomplished his number #1 priority on Defense, he shut down Wise. ML did a good job on defense, don’t fool yourself. When Lee went out at 11:07 in second half, Wise promptly scored. While ML was out Wise scored four points in less than minute, he scored four more in the entire game. No one else on our team could stop him. In other words, ML did a good job on one of the PAC 10s best players.
On offense, I can only wonder what this team would be like with Holiday at the point. CBH has said he did not expect to lose him. Our offense does not have a point guard, ML is not ready and JA may not have the talent. Sure, CBH should have prepared for an injury to Holiday but part of the problem with last year’s team is DC and Holiday did not mesh. While both were great individual talents, the 2 point guards did not play well together and he may have wanted to avoid that problem this year.
Now we are faced with, gulp, ND as a key to our team on offense. Don’t fool yourself, we beat ASU because of him. He has shown to be an good inside player and occasionally a good outside player. But it is really bad he is a key as he is not a CBH player. He is a showboat, plays matador defense, and I am not sure about his head. He needs to rebound better on defense then he did in this game, as he will never be a great defender. I don’t think CBH is happy about this but may feel it necessary.
For CBH knows that RN and MR cannot carry the team. While RN can dominate bad players, he needs to work on his FTs and cannot carry the team in the PAC-10. He needs to be our third leading scorer and find ways to score. MR is a liability on defense. He had a bad first half but not a bad game. He is no pun intend a role player who can’t carry a team but will get his points and do his job. He is close to his potential right now.
TH is the player to watch on this team and what he does did not show up in the boxscore. He made some great passes that lead to FT points. Made some steals and blocks and looked like he had the most energy on the court. I know he also missed an easy layup and a tip in, was out of position a couple times on defense, but he played well over all; like a good but inexperienced freshmen. CBH went to him for JA when JA couldn’t handle Folk and stopped the bleeding. He should be playing 30+ minutes somewhere on this team. If TH had not been hurt and sick so much he would be playing more as he is a true CBH player.
On CBH losing this team. I respect he stood up to Gordon, that could not have been easy and this was the worst possible year to lose a talented player. I respect what he is trying to do with ML and how tough that is. Look, ML looked brilliant for a four minute stretch on offense when he took the game over and scored 10 points. But look at game tracker, during that stretch he made two stupid fouls, Wise got a layup off him, and at the end he was out of control and ended the stretch with a turnover. He is trying to make ML into the “star” and ML did it for 31 minutes on Defense and 4 minutes on offense but he could not do both. Maybe he will someday, but I trust CBH knows what he is doing, which is the way I will end this too long post.
by DCBruins on Jan 2, 2010 5:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I forced myself to watch today's "game"
as I am a die-hard fan, and to see how we looked as I was out of town and missed the ASU game.
Did you notice how well Arizona’s freshman, Derrick Williams, played? He played like he was 7 feet, not his real 6’8", or so it seemed.Or their sophomore Fogg? And their Junior Horne? Those three just killed us. That’s it. Those three. Nobody else really scored for them. But their whole team played with intensity.
That’s hard to swallow. Their three wiped out our team. It wasn’t even close.
I feel bad for Roll. He is a senior leader giving it his all despite his defensive limitations. I feel bad for Lee. He is the closest thing we have to a complete player, both offensively and defensively, but he can’t do it alone. And maybe his body doesn’t like 10 am starts. I see passion and effort by Nelson. Honeycutt shows flashes but he’s still weak it seems. At least these four IMO make an effort when they’re in there.
I think it’s gut check time. Time to find out who’s a Bruin and whose not. Who makes an effort and who doesn’t. And just play those guys win or lose. Maybe 7 tops.
At this point it’s all about integrity and those four letters on your chest. Period.
GO BRUINS!
Regarding Roll...
… today it was Mike’s problems offensively as well. Early on, he was hesitant to pull the trigger on open shots. When he did start shooting, he missed. Defensively, the Ariz guy played him tight all game knowing that he would not be hurt off the dribble. In addition, Mike had numerous bad turnovers.
Any game that is up tempo with a lot of athletic wings playing hard is going to be a tough one for Roll. Un.fortunately, he is just not built to carry a team offensively. He functions better when there are other serious threats.
Of course, it wasn’t only Mike. The mismatch in quickness was so apparent today. It’s going to be a long season. Let’s hope for a big time recruit wing to complement Tyler Lamb and Lazeric Jones. Let’s hope Malcolm comes back for another year. I don’t think we’re that far away from being very good next year.





















