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There will be absolutely no apology for the harsh criticisms directed towards the students for their boneheaded decision to rush the court. I also don't find the arguments in support of that (spontaneous) decision convincing. That said bumping up this post because I do appreciate the students being passionate about our sports team. I just hope they channel that passion to ensure that they also demand accountability when our teams are not doing what they can to play up the standards of UCLA in a consistent basis. GO BRUINS. -N

I'm not sure if I should even be posting this because frankly the issue needs to go away, but I also think that it has been blown way out of proportion and a lot of the views expressed here have reflected poorly on this community.  I am talking about the attempted storming of the court last night against Washington.  I am in the corner that it was utterly stupid and yet completely justified at the same time (hear me out and this will make more sense).  I have also seen some great comments defending the Den's actions, and I wanted to organize them all into one place.

I will start with full disclosure by saying that when it happened I was one of the people that sort of half rushed it.  Of course, when I saw police flying at me, I quickly did an about face and spent the rest of the melee pushing people back towards the sideline.  Needless to say reality set in at that moment, and I realized that rushing the court against an underachieving Washington team was stupid.  In fact, I'm sure that everyone who did so looks back today and is saying the same thing, "What was I thinking, we're UCLA." 

This brings me to my first point:  Rushing the court is spontaneous.  As always Fox presented the case well:

If you plan it, it's wrong. If it's purely spontaneous, you really can't help it. My instinct on things like that is to jump. If the den’s instinct is different, then so be it. Planning it sounds a lot like the things going on with all the student movements (not CTS’s movements) in the years of student unrest where you would see a printed handbill announcing the spontaneous demonstration that was going to be held as such and such a place and time.

More after the jump...

Star-divide

Everyone here knows and has experienced the reason sports are both wonderful and painful--emotion.  Last night was a very emotional shot and a very emotional win, and when something like that happens no one is thinking about championship banners or opponent's ranking.  There is simply an overwhelming energy that needs to be released, and believe me given the nature of the shot and the fact that the entire team was going nuts right there in front of us, jumping up and down would not have sufficed.

 

The next point that I want to touch on is this:  We hang national championship banners, but we don't celebrate them.

At least not in today's day and age.  The Final Four is held in some massive football stadium, and the regionals are played on a court that we do not own, so really we cannot storm the court when it is most warranted.  This leaves only #1 upsets or Pac-10 championships.  #1 teams playing in Pauley, much less us beating them, is rare.  With regards to Pac-10 titles, Nestor had this to say:

We rushed the court twice n Pauley:

Freshman year (91): beating Arizona to win the Pac-10 championship
Senior Year (95): beating Oregon to win the Pac-10 championship and also celebrating Ed O and Ty’s last game at Pauley

That's all well and good, but remember that we won 3 straight PAC-10 championships from 06-08, and not once did we rush the court when it became a done deal.  Now, I'm too young to remember the circumstances surrounding N's championships, but I'm guessing that the reasons the court was stormed then and not now was because those were very emotional battles.  During our recent run, it was clear that we were the better team, and everyone knew that our work was not done.  Why get excited about a Pac-10 title when a Final Four was expected that year?  This shows that the motivation to rush the court lies not in what's on the line, but what that victory means to the team.  The Washington game was our Waterloo, and likely the last chance we students had to really celebrate this season.

Ok, 2 points down, 2 to go.  The next one concerns Moustafa:  It was MAH and not the win that made it so special.

I think this is partially true.  Yoyo says:

As a Den student who watched from the second row of the middle section, I believe that the group of that students that tried to rush the floor did because it was Mustafa who made the shot, as opposed to someone else.

Someone else in the comments thread (forgive me for not giving you proper due, I just can seem to find the comment) said something along the lines of if the game had ended with Washington missing or Drago hitting the game winner, students would probably not have rushed.  I agree with this.  Everyone knows MAH's story, and that him hitting the game winner was almost a fairy tale.  I think that it was just a perfect storm of bad season, close and exciting game, big shot, and Moustafa that led to us rushing.  Take away one of those elements, and it probably doesn't happen.

Lastly, I want to say this:  Let the students be students.

Nestor and his class got to rush the court twice during his time at UCLA.  That's twice more than almost every other student who has ever attended a game.  It is rare to be able to do so, and a lot of moments have passed that would have caused pandemonium at a less traditional school.  It's easy to be a fan when we're winning, but frankly being a UCLA fan right now is possibly harder than at any point in the last 60 years.  It takes some serious meddle to show up game after game in both football and basketball, knowing that disappointment is more likely than not.  Additionally, those of us that still make that commitment often get railed on this site and others for the overall lack of student support.  LET US HAVE OUR MOMENT!  Everyone has those UCLA memories that stick forever.  Unfortunately, ours just aren't worth glorifying on a national level.  That's fine, but don't belittle our moments just because yours made the front page of SI.  The ever erudite Achilles perfectly sums up this and everything else i have said best (and of course in much fewer words):

Rushing the court, to me, is by its very nature a spontaneous act. The moment one plans for it or considers it in advance, one creates an utterly contrived occurrence and renders any value rushing the court — if there is a value — moot. The very notion that there should be a set of rules governing what should by definition be a spur-of-the-moment event strikes me as, quite frankly, a bit ridiculous.

My feeling is that the team, made up of players, belongs mostly to the students. Those are their peers on the court, their friends and classmates playing the game. If they choose to run out on the court to embrace one of their own, a fellow student who just so happens to embody a particularly joyous collegiate sports archetype (the hard working walk-on who finally gets his one moment to shine) then so be it. As an alumnus from the distant past, I feel I have no more right to tell today’s students how to celebrate than I do trying to convince them that the classic rock of the 70s I grew up listening to is more culturally important than the hip hop or pop that defines their generation.

When Mustafa Abdul-Hamid hit that shot I swear I literally jumped up off my coach and ran part way across my living room. Had I been in the front row at Pauley, I probably would have run half way across the court myself.

I realize my opinion is in the minority. Even as I’m writing this I see new posts joining this thread that echo the comments of the “OP.” That’s fine. I don’t care. I wanted to express my opinion anyway.

My message to the current students is this: Enjoy your time at UCLA. Have fun and don’t let the “remember when we were great” crowd inhibit your good time. If you don’t want to rush the court, that’s fine — but don’t rush it because you don’t want to rush it, not because of someone else’s sense of nostalgia.

I just want to end with one more thing.  Legacies, especially ones as large as Coach Wooden's, are meant to be honored, celebrated, and referenced heavily.  However, they are not to be used to evaluate today's teams.  That is how good coaches get fired and fan bases become delusional (see Notre Dame for both).  Coach Wooden once said:

Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best you are capable of becoming.

If this team, or any Bruin team past or present, is to be criticized, it is on this basis and not on the basis of Coach's accomplishments.  I do not think that this team has played to their ability this season, that is until last night.  I tried to pick a player of the game in my mind, but couldn't do it.  Were Reeves's clutch baskets more important that Honeycutt's rebounds?  And does one big shot by a former walk on make him POG by disregarding all of the other player's efforts that led up to that moment?  For the first time in a long time, every Bruin gave it his all for a full 40 minutes, and we won in a true team effort.  For one wonderful night, this team achieved success because each and everyone of them (even Drago) played to the best of his abilities.  That is what we were celebrating by rushing the court last night, and as a result did not disrespect Wooden's legacy, but actually honored it.  We students could not have been more proud of our team, and I'm sure Coach felt exactly the same way.

Anyways I just wanted to get all of that off my chest.  Now let's just move on to Saturday's tough match-up and see if last night's victory truly was the turning point we have been looking for.

Go Bruins!

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Thank You

Thank you for handling this “issue.” Let’s stop talking about it within the next 24 hours and be a united community again. In the meantime, you are right, I do feel a little silly rushing the court after that relatively inconsequential win. But I wouldn’t have done it any other way. It was spontaneous, and fun, and a little vindicating.

GO Bruins.

GO BRUINS.

by Cully on Jan 22, 2010 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

You kids Go!

I spend all my time here trying to get passion in our fanbase. To hell with dignity, I’ll take passion everytime. How big is it for a struggling team to know that were happy for them when they get it right? So let’s get a reputation for being crazy and spontaneous. Next season I want to storm the field after we hand $C a horrendous beating at the Rose Bowl

Go Brunis!

by BruinAl on Jan 22, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

Passion

There’s also something to be said about the fact that the game was one where it was all true fans: it’s been a tough season, Washington was unranked, it was raining / hailing / storming the night before, the day of, and during my walk down to Pauley. Very few people there weren’t aware of the value of MAH hitting another game winner.

by asad09 on Jan 23, 2010 1:00 AM PST reply actions  

Rushing the court

It’s not a birth right.

The intensity with which you guys are stretching to defend a boneheaded decision is not helping matters at all. Rushing the court on Thursday night was ridiculous and it did insult the legacy of that court and the tradition of Wooden’s program.

You can keep stretching for explanation all you want but it was still embarrassing to watch. And as stated in other thread there will be no apology if anything those who made that weak attempt to rush the court should be the ones being contrite.

by Nestor on Jan 23, 2010 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

I am behind you on this one N

but I can kinda get the “spontaneous release” argument that the students are outlining in their posts. It’s sort of revealing of just how far this program has fallen in its collective psyche over the past few months. Historic losses and pathetic performances have warped their sense of reality, and hence a small shred of empathy begs to reveal itself when it is taken in that light.

IMO, our attendance numbers (6000+), the general campus-wide apathy that has enveloped the program, as well as our pathetic, embarrassing performances are more of an affront to the legacy of UCLA basketball than this court rush.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 23, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

I agree that I am embarrassed about the campus-wide apathy in addition to the court-rushing debacle.

People who have a “spontaneous release” problem should consult their doctor and see if they can get something prescribed.

by britishbruin on Jan 23, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think you are exactly right about the “warp sense of reality” coming around this program where people are so anxious to embrace mediocrity. It was precisely the reason we started blogging on BN.

One of my main inspiration to get into sports blogging was when I was reading Bruin fans glorifying moral victories over the Trojies in Southern Cal. I found that repulsive and I feel the exact same way about the justifications behind Thursday’s weak attempt to rush the court. I will not back down or apologize for feeling that way.

by Nestor on Jan 23, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Brief, momentary lapse in reasoning and judgement

from some passionate 18-22 year old kids enduring probably the worst basketball in UCLA modern history. I kinda get it. Not that I condone it, not that you or anyone else should apologize for calling it out, but I kinda get it.

I can remember the buzz around campus after UCLA shocked Kansas in the second round of the NCAA tournament in 1990. I also remember some professor on the Monday afterward saying he couldn’t believe how much excitement there was over just a second round tourney win, that back in his day as a student….. well…you get where I am going with this. We never had to endure what these students are going through. We don’t share their perspective. I guess I am for cutting them a little slack because of that.

On a positive note, I guess I am happy that these students are still passionate about UCLA basketball, given all the garbage that we have witnessed this year.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 23, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

You wrote that comment at the very moment I bumped this post. Looks like we are on the exact same frequency BM. At the end this discussion was much needed because I think students (at least the ones who are here will know) how important tradition is to UCLA hoops.

by Nestor on Jan 23, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Typical

I’m 100% behind you on this point. This is more whining from the MTV instant gratification generation. It’s sad and pathetic.

These kids are at UCLA. It’s time for them to grow the f**k up and get real.

by Bellerophon on Jan 23, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Why is this still an issue?

I’ll agree that it insults the court to rush it after a last second victory against Washington. What I don’t quite understand is how this has become such a huge issue. Yes, something needed to be said, but the real problem isn’t that the students rushed the court. The problem is that the program has sunk so low that the students felt they had to celebrate something which should be a normal occurrence- a Pac 10 victory. I say we move on and keep discussing the team’s performance, which is much more insulting to the legacy of Coach Wooden.

by Class of 09 on Jan 23, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

both are embarrassing.

and we discuss the team’s performance every week. People should know better than to rush the court, and players should know how to hit a free throw.

Thing is – it’s really very easy to not rush the court. You don’t need to be a D-I athlete to be able to not rush the court. Each and every one of us has the ability to not rush the court. We can all do our part to uphold the standards of UCLA by choosing not to rush the court. Go Bruins!

by britishbruin on Jan 23, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Apologies

I’ve never posted on this before, so pardon me for being a newcomer. But Nestor, if you’re not going to “feel sorry” or “apologize” for berating the people that rush the court, don’t be surprised when they don’t feel stupid for it. Everyone has their reasons for doing what they do, and arguing the opposite way won’t change it.
Those at UCLA right now are watching their team fade out from how great it was before. Before, we never rushed the court because we were used to being great (I was an 04-09 student). Now, students are hoping for an excuse to be excited, so don’t berate them for doing a spur of the moment thing.

by greenbruin on Jan 23, 2010 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

Uh no one is telling the students not to get excited

Exactly where we are telling the students not to get excited. Many of us are down on the state of the program and are cynical about what is going on. However, that doesn’t mean it should stop the students for getting excited. They can do whatever they want to get excited. That doesn’t justify rushing the Nell & Wooden court.

by Nestor on Jan 23, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Some of us aren’t even so down on the state of the program and so cynical about what is going on, and are thoroughly into the idea of students getting excited. Everyone wants students to be enthusiastic. We just don’t want people to act like idiots.

students are hoping for an excuse to be excited

Sure. They just shouldn’t be looking for an excuse to rush the court. A lot of the comments seem to say “rushing the court is fun!” and “this might be the best chance I get to rush the court!”. Rushing the court is not something that comes as part of your Student Activity Fee, it is something that celebrates a momentous achievement by a UCLA team.

by britishbruin on Jan 23, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Nuss made the exact same point at CougCenter.

by Nestor on Jan 23, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Let me also add

that had Mustafa hit that shot with any amount of time left on the clock, leaving UW time to get off a shot, that the students should have had time to collect themselves and there shouldn’t have been any court rush, IMO.

And students, don’t ever, ever, ever consider rushing the court/field after a win against SC. Any sport. Never.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 23, 2010 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

If there hadn't been riot police

I would have been on the field the moment the clock hit 00:00 after we beat SC in 2006. Knocking our hated rival out of the national championship game was far too great of a moment not to share with the team. Other than that, however, I agree with you.

by Allofmybros on Jan 23, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

At the end of the day...

rushing the court was also wrong for the simple fact that we didn’t even know if MAH got the shot off in time. I had made my point earlier in the week that I wouldn’t attend any more Men’s games until I saw some effort. Somehow I got talked into going (nothing else to do on a rainy night). Most of us held our composure until the official notice from the reffs that the shot indeed got off before the buzzer. I was pretty embarrassed for the Den.

Bruin-4-Life!!!

by dwdbruin on Jan 23, 2010 12:43 PM PST reply actions  

This was an excellent post

Sideout pretty much summed up my opinion with his very well written post: Students are students, and they’re going to get excited. I was at the game myself, and I would have rushed if security hadn’t been so quick to stem the flow coming from the Den. Following the shot, nothing really went through my head other than wanting to run over and hug the kid who has worked so hard to make that moment happen. MAH has been one of my favorites over the years, and I wanted to share the joy that ALL of us felt with the team. The condescending nature of a lot of these posts directed at the students really frustrates me, as the students were pretty much the only loud fans in the building. In a down season, the real fans show up, and I haven’t ever been as proud of the Den as I was seeing them cheering en masse Thursday night.

When the students rushed following the win over Oregon in ‘95, we were the better team. Heck, I think we were even ranked #1. Given those circumstances, I’m pretty sure the conference championship was locked up at that point (if anyone has stats to prove me wrong, please do, by all means). So in hindsight, there was literally nothing the students were celebrating other than a great season. Does that make me enjoy watching them rush the court any less when I watch my “Wizard’s Again” VHS tape? Hell no.

Watching the replay of Thursday night, the court rush looks pretty pathetic (granted, it probably would have looked much better had it not been stopped) but I still get bothered by quotes like Bellerophon’s saying the attempted justification is “whining” on behalf of an instant gratification generation. Given the scathing criticism pointed at our team this season, especially on this blog, I would say enthusiastic students are hardly the ones doing the whining this season. I don’t mean to offend anyone, obviously, but nobody can deny the negative nature of our basketball threads these days. For god’s sake, even Seth Davis predicted this. The “patience” so many people advised Bruin fans to have is clearly wearing thin already.

Oregon football fans rush the field after they beat pretty much anybody good. Say what you want about Oregon, but it looks like a damn good time and the Ducks look like they’ll be on top of the conference for a while. The difference is that they seem to be enjoying the ride, rather than berating students who might tarnish a sense of tradition or professionalism. A “we don’t rush the court because we’re better than that” attitude is downright elitist.

ALL OF THAT being said, however, Kansas, Duke, UNC, and Kentucky never rush the court. The other four “Big Blues” in college basketball are a standard that we should aspire to reach, if not surpass. The difference is that those fans sell out every. single. game. even during bad seasons, and the Bruins barely pulled 6,000 Thursday night. I can deal with that, but if our team and fanbase aren’t showing up like an elite team, than there’s far less to be upset about if the students let their hair down a bit. As the standard for west coast basketball, I’m fine with a little craziness.

FINALLY this talk about embarrassing Nell and John Wooden court is somewhat silly. Coach himself will always tell you that his favorite team was not a national championship winner, but one that finished 14-12. They did the best they could that season in a down year, and if Coach thinks that’s a reason to be proud and celebrate, that’s good enough for me. People will disagree with me, but I’ve been seeing far too many of these threads about court rushing and finally had to write something.

by Allofmybros on Jan 23, 2010 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

Uh Coach's favorite team finished 14-12

That’s a winning record.

What B laid out clearly is we don’t care much about people whining about our content on the home page. If you don’t like what we are writing, then don’t read it. No one is forcing you to read it. Look for your Bruin fix somewhere else (as you are not paying anyone here for it). If you want to write your own positive outlook on this dreadful season, then write it up.

Lastly, no one here is calling for firing of the head coach. Are we critical of the team? Absolutely and it is much deserved given the unacceptable quality of hoops we have seen in so many games this season.

Bottom line. If you don’t like the posts on the frontpage. Don’t read it. If you want to offer disagreements do it respectfully w/o whining about it. If that doesn’t work for you, go somewhere else. You won’t be missed.

by Nestor on Jan 23, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, I know people will disagree with me

but I certainly don’t mean to offend. I commented because I loved Sideout’s post on the front page, not because I didn’t like it, and I didn’t say anything about people calling for Howland’s head, just the negative vibe that comes with a losing season (I agree with much of the criticism, especially regarding Rago). I get my Bruin fix here because the community provides fantastic discussion on a wide range of bruin topics that you can’t find elsewhere, not because I want to complain.

As for 14-12, this season isn’t over yet! The four games left against the Oregon schools certainly won’t hurt the cause of a winning season either, I hope :)

by Allofmybros on Jan 23, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay

But isn’t the point of a comments section to allow people to express their views? If only comments that agree with a thread are there, then there is no point of the comments section because nothing new is being added to the discussion. I think everyone here should be mature enough to read an opposing view point and not be personally offended. If someone challenges a front pagers view, it is for the sake of Bruin discussion; it is not a personal affront to the poster.

If someone disagrees with you posting something, let them comment, and then promptly ignore it if you disagree : )

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Jan 23, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Comment section

They exist so people can offer substantive feedback. If people want to take snarky shots at the moderators or want to post cheap whining comments about what we are writing, they can offer it somewhere else. It’s simple.

We don’t lectures on how this place is run. We have made that clear few times. If you can’t deal with it, no need to hang around here.

by Nestor on Jan 23, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally

I don’t care what is posted, the more stories/info the better.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Jan 23, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a story

“It was a dark and stormy night ….”

More later.

by Fox 71 on Jan 23, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

a noticeable change....

Regardless of whether or not you agreed with the actions of the students on Thursday and our decision making abilities in emotional times, the passion on Thursday continued on to today’s game. We were loud and energetic today even in normally “dull” moments, we were unusually coordinated in our chants, and we were finally having fun again. One could attribute this to that fact that we were up the whole game, but I think it is more than that. As many of you know, not all students have full package tickets, and therefore, not all of the students there today witnessed first hand that events of Thursday. There was constant talk all around campus yesterday and today about the great win and happenings on Thursday, and it was obvious that the students wanted to be part of it (the game, not necessarily the rush). The passion showed by the players and students on Thursday should help us turn around our season (at least to some degree). It gives up hope that these players have the ability to play at high levels. We already showed glimpses today of our potential and through continued support of our students and of a struggling team, we can make that push to top the Pac-10.

GO BRUINS!!! CHEER LIKE CHAMPIONS!!!

by bk bruin on Jan 23, 2010 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

Another Example of the Generation Gap?

Perhaps, it’s been so long since we hung a banner that the “We only celebrate national championships” mantra means little to our current students.

As much as I understand the rhetoric on all sides, I can’t help but feel that the old un’s really don’t understand the young un’s and the young un’s are upset by what they think is an attack by the old ones.

Truth is, we’ve probably not had this discussion before and, therefore, we don’t have shared values.

I feel the same way about the current state of the 8 clap — I feel very strongly it has been ruined by rushing it to the point of premature ejaculation.

The real 8 clap was rhythmic and powerful — and there was no trill on the “L”.

I totally hate the way it has been ruined. But, when I mention it, I get totally blank stares from the young guys.

I am learning to cope with the fact that the world is moving past me and that there is not agreement on the things that distinguish us as Bruins.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 23, 2010 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

Good point.....

It makes me appreciate N and the rest of the BN moderators even more, because this is one of the best opportunities to close the gap between the old un’s and the young un’s right here on this site.

Bruin-4-Life!!!

by dwdbruin on Jan 23, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Steve

I pointed out long ago that there is nothing worse than premature eightclapulation.

by Fox 71 on Jan 23, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been wondering where the "long L" came from

I’ll admit between my days as a student and my 10th reunion, I didn’t go to UCLA games. I did however watch every game possible on the TV machine. While a student we always did the 8-clap with the short L; I’m not sure in my early years(starting in 93) as a ticket holder at the Rose Bowl we did a Long-L.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Jan 23, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It was a girl in the marching band

she started it and pretty soon the whole band was doing it. Then it caught on with the students and the rest is history.

by CafeLA on Jan 24, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I love almost all the contributions from the band, but not that one.

We’ve had a C changed from blue to gold. We’ve had the eight-clap changed. Hey, let’s change the name of the school. How about changing it to the Los Angeles Dodgers? Already plenty of t-shirts out there, so we save on some expense that way. Or at least change the alma mater. Such a hokey tune, and schmaltzy words. Let’s get some hip hop in it.

Or alternatively, we could not change the tradition that enables student and geezer to be on the same page all the time. Some of this is the school’s fault, stemming from that pesky habit of building new buildings. (Pauley and Spaulding Field used to house the oldest buildings on the campus, which were a bunch of bungalows. Fittingly, the old decrepit bulidings housed the Archeology Department.)

I’m not saying there should never be change. But some things should not change, and the eight clap is one of them. There was nothing spontaneous about that. It was planned and has been carefully repeated. It’s like rushing the court when we make an uncontested dunk. It’s a new tradition that separates rather than unites.

by Fox 71 on Jan 24, 2010 4:23 AM PST up reply actions  

The 8 Clap -- even, rhythmic pacing

U rah, rah, rah,
C, rah, rah, rah
L, rah, rah, rah
A
Pause
U – C – L – A
Fight -Fight -Fight

When done correctly, it dominates and resonates. I’ve heard it from the field. It really makes a statement. It is our signature yell.

The way it is done, now, it’s like no one really wants to do it and they are rushing to finish — sort of like my 18 year old eats family dinner.

In my day, in yell leader tryouts, we had to lead two yells, the 8 clap (to prove we had rhythm) and a Bruin spell out that actually had distinct movements. Each had been handed down over the years. Precision was the key to our selection.

During the year, we “innovated” — some yells drawing disapproval, but we never messed with the core traditions.

I truly wish that the new yell crews would respect our cornerstones while using their creativity to bring in new things not to change traditions.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 24, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey 66

would you mind emailing me so we can talk about that. I’m currently on Yell and have heard more than my share from both sides. I’d love to hear your full take on it as well as a lot more about the history of the group (because there isn’t much of one).

amdushkes@gmail.com

by Sideout11 on Jan 24, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way...

Exactly when was the elongated L added and why? I remember a few years ago at the Rose Bowl participating in the 8-clap and going WTH right before “FIGHT-FIGHT-FIGHT!”

I graduated in the mid 80’s. Am I an old or mid un? GO BRUINS!

by Bruin319 on Jan 23, 2010 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

Bruin319

I think like me you a mid un(geezer in training); though I did get my invite to join AARP last week. :(

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Jan 24, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget to ask for your senior discount at McDonalds.

As I recall, they started giving the discount at a younger age than other places. All that stuff you hear about “Early-Bird Specials” is just stuff from Seinfeld. I live in Geezerville, and there’s no such thing at any of the local restaurants.

by Fox 71 on Jan 25, 2010 3:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree entirely with Sideout's post

Very well written, well thought out, and entirely true. Is it embarrassing that we almost stormed the court against a lowly Washington team? Definitely. But the students are definitely receiving way too much heat for it.

Now Nestor, this is not a shot against you or any of the moderators on this blog. Believe me when I say that I have so much respect for you and the other moderators, showing your passion and giving your time and energy to this board, to update us with the most in-depth Bruin analysis that I’m going to find. But my plea is the same as the one after the Bruin bear debacle prior the U$C* game. Don’t decry the students too much, sure they share some of the blame, but let’s focus our energies on constructive ways to bring this program back to its “glory days” that all the Bruin alumni seem to reflect so fondly on. Because it’s foreign to us. When it comes to sports, I know many current Bruins have this air of inevitable despair about it. Sure, we have hope that our team can pull out victories. But in my four years here, starting with Dorrell’s football, I’ve been treated from letdown to letdown. Football never put a complete package on the field. Basketball was amazing my first two years, but we could see where it was headed the last two years. What we need is the hope (that Neuheisel’s started to give us, but I’m only cautiously optimistic) that we can get back to those days.

For now, us dedicated Bruin fans, the ones that attend the games regardless of the record, the ones that focus their energies on the true blue and gold, who lose their voice for weeks because of games, will take what we can get. I would have been embarrassed looking back if I had rushed the court, but I can see why in the moment, it seemed entirely appropriate.

by Aces-UCLA on Jan 24, 2010 1:13 AM PST reply actions  

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