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Bruins Quash Overmatched Beavers Hope For An Upset Victory In Corvallis

Well the Beavers were fired up and ready to go.

They were all excited after their big win over Southern Cal to finally break their 9 game losing against the Bruins. The timing seemed to be perfect as Howland's tired squad limped into Corvallis after an over time loss against Ernie Kent's struggling Ducks (at least before they took on the Bruins). Yet it wasn't meant to be for the Beavers, as their slow and unathletic bunch served as the perfect bail out package for this year's mediocre Bruins.

Yes, Howland's Bruins came out on top which was a fairly ugly, boring and unwatchable basketball game between two pathetic teams. The final score was 62-52. I guess if I had to pick a player of the game for the Bruins, it would be Michael Roll, who finished the night with 11 points, 5 assists and 3 rebounds. He was instrumental along with Tyler Honeycutt in Bruins effectively attacking Oregon State's 2-3 zone with some beautiful passes getting the ball inside.

Here is the box score from Yahoo! that shows the Bruin shooting 62 percent from the floor and attempting only 9 3 point shots (with our "shooter" Rago going 1 for 5 from the floor).  Amazingly we actually made most of our FTs this evening going 12 for 15 from the charity stripe. On the defensive side our guys did a good job of bottling up Calvin Hayers, limiting him to 16 points with only 5 makes in 20 attempts. Hayes is probably the only guy in the Beavers lineup, who could potentially break into the top-8 of the Bruin rotation, which is easily the most underwhelming one since Howland's first season in Westwood. 

Yet, somehow the Bruins were unable to put these guys away due to unfocused and ugly effort on both ends of the court. Bruins turned the ball over 22 times resulting in 20 Oregon State points. As I said above, it was not a pretty game to watch.

Star-divide

With the win, 10-11 Bruins are tied for the 3rd place in the conference with a 5-4 record. However, I wouldn't get too excited. This win was ugly and didn't give us much hope that things would change in a hurry against in the near future. Bruins didn't give us any reason to be confident about holding serve against the Bay Area teams during upcoming homestand, and then going on the road against Southern Cal and Arizona schools.

Guess the only salvation this season is that Pac-10 is the worst major conference in the country with only one team which will be eligible for the Big Dance. If there is any team from this conference that at this point of time has an outside shot at an at-large bid it would be the Cal Bears. Otherwise, for rest of the conference except for the Trojies their only shot will be to win the Pac-10 tourney. The way the Bruins played during this road trip getting a split perhaps the two worst teams in the conference, doesn't exactly provide a lot of hope. I will be surprised if this bunch - which is getting close to getting dubbed as Ben Ball Clowns - can get another victory on the road.

I don't know about you but it is hard to get excited about the next game knowing we are going to be treated with another 30+ mins of Rago Ball. Thankfully the signing day is just days away, which will keep us occupied and give us some other things to think about other than this year's dreadful basketball team.

GO BRUINS.

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Over/under

In the pre-game thread, I put the over/under on the references to the fact that Michelle Obama is the sister of OSU Coach Craig Robinson at 2.5. In retrospect, the 2.5 number was way too low given the purpose of the number is to encourage illegal interstate gaming. But I counted only 2 separate references to the relationship. So winners count your new found largess and losers lick your wounds.

Good discipline on the part of the broadcasting team not to repeat what was re-re-re-reiterated in both broadcasts last year and it is evidence what happens when your husband’s poll numbers sink like an anvil tossed over the side of a luxury liner.

Go Bruins!

by peggysue69 on Jan 30, 2010 7:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

This Is

about our basketball team?

I mean, I can comment at length about our President’s numbers, too, but…
…here? Really?

Too many turnovers and mental lapses, but at least they didn’t throw away their lead.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Jan 30, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

one more positive

with this win we are one step closer to a Wednesday bye in the Pac-10 tourney…

by britishbruin on Jan 30, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

wow, not having much fun as of late?

I know this is not the BRUIN standard bball team that we’re accustomed to…but wow, can we be happy, maybe just a little bit…

I mean, I promise I won’t rush the court!

by bruin98 on Jan 30, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

From the Every Dark Cloud Has A Silver Lining Department

Yeah, I know putting up with weekends where we split in Oregon is definitely bordering on “Oh wow look how pathetic we’ve become” territory…but I mean, we barely lost to a reasonably talented Oregon team at Mac Court (just like we easily could have last year when we finished with 13 conference wins and they finished with 0, I might add) and we would have absolutely crushed OSU if it wasn’t for several out-of-your-chair-screaming-with-rage officiating calls in the final 5-6 minutes. Obviously it’s nothing to be impressed with, but at the very least it’s clear that this is actually a team now, not just a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off (which is what we were against Fullerton, Long Beach, Mississippi State, etc). Reaching, I know, but…is having SOME optimism the worst thing in the world?

by ucla139 on Jan 30, 2010 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

progress?

I also choose to see the silver lining. This team has two personalities and it’s always frustrating trying to guess which team will show up. Nevertheless, even when the worse team shows up, we do see flashes of improvement. Like these 2 Oregon games, we did see a little better defense. In today’s game, we saw a little more effort on trying the work the ball inside. We saw some inside game, a little more movement on offense and not just passing the ball around the perimeter.

We just can’t expect too much when we don’t have a true point guard or someone who can create shots. But in the end, a BRUIN is a BRUIN and I just have to continue supporting my team…even if it’s a Ben Ball Clown team, they’re still my team.

by bruin98 on Jan 30, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe your "out-of-your-chair-screaming-with-rage" phrase

also pertains to those mindless, absolutely pathetic turnovers we had. At times, the game really resembled those YMCA pickup games.

Well, overall, we can see our future team shaping up, with Honeycutt & Nelson being the core. With Keefe, Roll, Dragovic’s departure, I believe Howland in all probability will stick with those two plus the three incoming recruits, assuming they lived up to their billing.

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

3 days 4 hours 48 minutes

on a positive note we did split on the road, and we have beaten this cal team before…

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden

by avtwvi on Jan 30, 2010 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

We got lucky against Cal

They are not shooting 2 for 18 from the 3 point line again.

by Nestor on Jan 30, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

point well taken

dragobrick went 4 for 9 from 3. you’re right. we got lucky.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden

by avtwvi on Jan 30, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

dueling zone defenses

makes for really boring basketball.

It’s one thing for the Bruins to be successful with their own zone, but watching weak, untalented opponents playing it against the Bruins makes these games pretty poor entertainment.

Good to get the victory though.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 30, 2010 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

True dat

Always good to get a win.

by Nestor on Jan 30, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point on Roll as player of game

He played 39 solid minutes. Others scored more but he was just that—solid.

by peggysue69 on Jan 30, 2010 7:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

This is a truly terrible conference

I don’t think that can be overstated. It’s going to be a very sad selection show for the Pac 10. That said, I was loving how RN stuffs the ball with attitude. RN and TH are two guys that are keeping my interest and hope alive for this season.

by Tydides on Jan 30, 2010 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

Those two guys

Are only reasons for modicum of hope heading into next season. I just wished we got the supporting cast around them (for next season) a little more experience.

by Nestor on Jan 30, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree on TH and RN but on supporting cast. . .

If players aren’t good enough to play this year, should they be playing in the future? If MM and BL can’t earn minutes now, I am not sure what that means for their abilities in the future.

This is not a Chance Stanback situation (someone who would be playing now but didn’t then) because that team was loaded with talent. This one is so weak, I believe former walk on MAH should get minutes.

If players can’t play now, should they be planning on (hopefully) much better future teams?

by DCBruins on Jan 30, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember all the complaints early on in CBH's tenure

About how we focus too much on guard play at the expense of our interior game and all of that? Is there any doubt at this point that college basketball is largely dominated by guard play? If it came to being strong in the frontcourt or strong in the backcourt, I’d take the strong backcourt every time, and anyone who remembers the last five years should do the same. It is going to be a very rough few years regardless of how TH or RN develop if we can’t start landing elite level guards like we used to.

by Tydides on Jan 30, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

NCAA all about guard play. Same reason most good tournament teams have excellent guards.

by Bruin'96 on Jan 30, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously you'd like to be strong in the back court and the front court

but teams have gone to the Final Four with a weak front court. Nobody has ever done it with a weak back court.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 30, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Rosenblatt, Arizona did it

with a weak front court. Going further back, Michigan and Villanova did it with an average front and back court even

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

My hopes too

If our recruits lived up to their billing, and I am talking about Josh Smith & Tyler Lamb particularly, then Jerime Anderson should never have more than a few minutes relieving Lamb at point, period. And if that other JC recruit is any good at all, then Malcolm Lee would also be seeing a lot of bench time too. Even if he is an off guard being asked to play the point, he just doesn’t have the skills nor potentials that Honeycutt has.

To me, Reeves Nelson is a young Dave Cowan in the making. If some of you can recall the Boston Celtics of the 70’s,

Nelson’s feisty, ruggedly physical play underneath the basket, and his overall gutsy style more than compensates his lack of height when compared with other true centers. This was precisely Cowan’s style on those championship teams that outdueled Kareem’s Milwaukee Bucks before his trade to the Lakers at the end of that decade.

Somebody mentioned that Nelson needed to work on his footwork. That’s true. And if he also develops some mid range jumpers, which he totally lacks now, Nelson will be a force to reckon with in the conference. To compare him with Jon Brockman is a stretch because we are talking about a Ben Ball warrior with true grit, not a downright dirty player that bullies his way underneath the basket.

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Lamb is not a point

or anything resembling a point.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 30, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

Lamb – shooting guard. Lazeric Jones is the JC transfer and is a point guard.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Jan 30, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

In a perfect world

Lamb is exceptionally ready to play as a freshman so he, ML and Jones can take the bulk of the back court minutes. We’ll have to see how that works out though, which means JA could feature prominently again.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 30, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

last I heard...

ML was thinking of taking his “talents” to the NBA next season…. rofl.

GO COLTS!!!!!

by dwdbruin on Jan 30, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Lordie Lordie

I hope Lazeric Jones pans out. And Malcolm Lee can showcase his talent with the Dakota Jackass of the Continental basketball League if he so inclines.

This whole idea of players leaving before they are ready sometimes just bewilders me. Before he declares, I hope Malcolm looks at his own game film. in IMAX 3D, courtesy of David Geffen’s Dreamwork Studio, if luck would have it, so that he can sleep well knowing this is the " RIGHT " decision for his basketball future.

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, so Lamb is not a point....

but at least someone else will take the place of Jerime Anderson. I am tired of seeing his clumsiness, cluelessness, hesitations, errant passes and what not.

I share the same sentiments with many here. Even with his assorted injuries and lack of playing time the previous season, Howland & company could not have misjudged their recruits’ skills as badly as this one. It was like Ryan Walcott resurfaced again in Pauley.

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

The one saving grace (?) wrt the staff's talent evaluation

It seems that most of the other professionals in the field were as fooled as Howland and his staff with the members of last year’s class (JA was rated the #3 PG prospect nationally by Scout.com – and #2 among those that actually enrolled in a college?!?).

Last year’s class seemed particularly weak at the Point; 8 PG’s in the Scout top-100 (though I don’t know what a typical positional distribution is), and the only west coast option in place of JA was Larry Drew, who while putting up better numbers at North Carolina, has not earned the love of the Tar Heels nation with his level of play.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Jan 31, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if this was mentioned in the game thread

Darren Collison had 17 points, 18 assists and 6 rebounds with Chris Paul out tonight. He has averaged 15.1 points, 7.8 assists and 3.4 rebounds in games he’s started.

by SuperBruinMan on Jan 30, 2010 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

He also had the game sealing steal and dunk in OT

With how great DC has played when CP3 has been hurt, and with reports that the Hornets are losing money again this season, it makes ya wonder if Paul might end up on the trading block.

by insomniacslounge on Jan 31, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

We Love

DC down here in the Bayou! Who Dat #2 for the Hornets!

by LouisianaBruins on Jan 31, 2010 6:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate to admit this

because I’d like to think I have supreme faith in our Ben Ball Warriors at the next level, but I didn’t see DC being an immediate contributor. I figured he’d inch his way into the starting lineup while learning from an all world PG like Chris Paul. Boy, was I wrong about that one.

by Tydides on Jan 31, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Definitely surpised by his explosion

On the other hand not surprised at how he is outshining Mr. Holiday.

by Nestor on Jan 31, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I cherish

each and every win. This season, how can the details matter? Zone is still not so good against high-low triangle stuff. I enjoyed the Roll to Honeycutt backscreen play, though. I am wondering if JMM will be returning. There are times when size matters.

by ReineSeite on Jan 30, 2010 8:13 PM PST reply actions  

"how can the details matter?"

If they didn’t we’d happy be mediocrity all the freaking time.

by Nestor on Jan 30, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sad

It seemed like both teams were trying not to win. Sloppy, pathetic basketball. How I miss the days of the real Ben Ball Warriors. OSU is the kind of team we were used to slaughtering by 40+ with high-flying dunks from RW, AA, JS, etc.

Now the Belgrade Bricklayer is mishandling the ball on the way to rack. How the mighty have fallen.

by Bellerophon on Jan 30, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

So sad we ever had the bricklayer

This is truly a lesson to be learned. Never sign anyone from over there unless he is a clone of Tony Parker, Dirk Nowitzsky or that other guy , whose name escapes me, that used to be with Chicago Bulls.

Otherwise, most of the NCAA collegiate Europeans don’t really quite excel at all, let alone being impact players on their team. I only recall Detlef Schrempt of the Huskies being quite a player a while back. The two Czech centers Harrick brought in during his tenure were decent ones. The transfer one from Loyola Marymount blew hot and cold, and literally disappeared in some games. Zedek was fortunate because Harrick’s staff took the time to develop him and he wound up in the company of Ed O’Bannon, Tyus Edney etc.

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

the other guy

aka Toni Kukoc

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Jan 31, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

You mean a game like this?

http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020307aaa.html

Am i allowed to direct link?

I still love watching all our games, but for some reason zone on zone basketball is boring to me. It seems to unnatural to the sport.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Jan 30, 2010 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

woops

to Bellerophon

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Jan 30, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah...

…those were the memories. I know people like to watch close games, but when our Ben Ball Warriors dominated teams like that, it did give our younger guys a chance to get minutes. Sometimes that worked out well for us:

Collison had 10 assists before leaving early and giving Russell Westbrook a lengthy turn at running the offense. Westbrook scored eight of his 11 points during a 17-3 run that ended the first half.

But, on the other hand, sometimes getting those other guys minutes didn’t help us much in the long-run:

Leading by 37 midway through the second half, Howland cleared the floor of his starters, giving major minutes to benchwarmers Nikola Dragovic, James Keefe and Ryan Wright.

Dragovic finished as UCLA’s top reserve with eight points in a season-high 12 minutes.

“I was working hard and waiting for my chance,” said Dragovic, a Serbia native who sheepishly admitted he was winded by game’s end.

Although that one game did give us a mini-review of things to come:

Freshman Mustafa Abdul-Hamid got into his second Pac-10 game of the season, hitting a 3-pointer that pushed UCLA’s lead to 45 points. That began an exodus by fans eager to escape outside into a warm winter’s day.

by Bellerophon on Jan 30, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

The Good:

Roll, The Glue, Shoot 50% from the field, and 5 assists. He continues to be our best player.

RN, 7-8 from the field, 12 rebounds.

Lee, 3-4 from the field, 3 -4 from the line. His first decent offensive game in a while.

TH looked good as usual. He wins must jumping contests against taller guys. I’d have him jump center.

The team played with good effort, and some patience. They were the better team and deserved to win.

Defensively, they found the shooters and forced Calvin Hayes to shoot 5-20 from the field.

Jerime Anderson played well. Let me repeat. JA played well. It was a first and it followed a long period of inactivity. He has gotten the message that his playing time is not assured simply because there is no one else. He made 3-4 from the line, and had three assists. He hustled on defense.

The Bad:

MAH looked nervous and had trouble passing over the taller Oregon St. guards. He did make his only three, but he had two turnovers in 8 minutes, which would mean 10 over a 40 minute game. Bad. Sorry about that cuz I love him.

Keefe, one dunk in 12 minutes. No rebounds. 2 fouls. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW A GUY WHO HAS BEEN PLAYING BASKETBALL SINCE HE WAS SIX DOESN’T KNOW WHAT A MOVING SCREEN IS. Even on TH’s dunk he set a moving screen. He gets one of these every game. CBH, the fundamentals coach, must miss this.

The Ugly:

Drago’s lackadaisacal play. He shows no intensity. He lets players beat him to loose balls. He throws lazy passes. I can’t take it.

RN also needs to move his feet in the zone, both on offense and defense. (Keefe plays the defensive end well, moving his feet properly, which is why CBH starts him in the zone.

Unforced turnovers in the closing minutes with a big lead. Dragged pivot feet. Yuk.

Fouling players on three point shots in the closing minutes. Run at the shooter but jump to the side to harass the shot. Don’t risk running into the player. Drago undercut the man, and then claimed to be standing straight up. Undisciplined crap.

Overall: It was a 10 pt win on the road. The team played well in stretches and played well enough to win. The defense held OSU to 37% from the field.

I love my team. I love a Bruins victory. Go Bruins!

by 75NatChamps on Jan 30, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting Stat's

We won because we shot well from all over the floor and from the line — 66% FG, 80% FT’s.

They shot 37% and 53%.

Here’s the big stat — even though we out rebounded them 25-19, they took 16 more shots than we did 51-35. We were lucky they could not hit.

Our 20 turnover kept us from blowing them out. At one point in the game, I noted in the thread that 18 of their then 30 points were points off of our turnovers. Unbelievable.

Our shooting percentage was high because RN was 7-8. So, cut back on outside shots, go inside — hmm we’ve heard that before around here.

More interesting to me — we only took 9 3’s and made 4. Last year, Donny Mac said, very correctly, that if we shot more than 30 3’s, we’d lose. I know we shot more than 30 on Th and wonder how many we shot in other losses.

Nelson was a beast on the boards 12 and interestingly, ND, who in some games has rebounded well had only 1.

TO leader, not one of our guards — ND with 6, RN with 4, ML 2, MR 5. JA played 16 min with 3 assists and 1 turnover.

So, we improved on the boards, at the ft line, and shooting percentage, improved our shot selection and nearly threw the game away with 20 turnovers.

But, winning ugly is still winning.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jan 30, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

In due time, we will again

be winning pretty with Honeycutt & Nelson leading the charge

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

Rago

You are too generous referring to him as “Rago”. I think “rag” is more fitting and we can infer a lot from that.

by hongerelli on Jan 30, 2010 9:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Recent fan shot

DC drops 18 dimes, breaking hornets’ rookie record that Chris Paul previously held. Add 17 points and 6 assists with that. Hey Jrue! This is what happens when you stay in school and develop a game!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=308400

by hongerelli on Jan 30, 2010 9:23 PM PST reply actions  

Didn't you hear? All the elite guys are playing 17 minutes for a losing team!

In comparison, on Friday night, Jrue played 17 minutes and put up an astronomical 5 points, 1 rebound, and 2 assists. Boy, Jrue, sure sounds like you’re having so much “fun” in the NBA. You know, the fun you didn’t get to have since CBH’s “boring” offense suffocated your “offensive creativity” and all.

by Bellerophon on Jan 30, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

So true !

And I don’t think earning those NBA $$$ three years late, which is DC’s case, really hurt that much at all.

by Htse005 on Jan 30, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The one good thing here

Is that the team hasn’t quit. Howland didn’t lose them, as we all feared.

As crappy, ugly, and infuriating as we are, that’s still very important going into next season.

by bluebland on Jan 30, 2010 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

+1

Need to get 500, but your right they are still fighting which is a good sign.

by DCBruins on Jan 31, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

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