UCLA Provides Glimmers Of Hope But Bruins Glaring Issues Haven't Gone Away
Well after the kind of week we have had since that ugly loss against Arizona, there was certainly a sense of relief following last night's (pretty shocking) win against the Cal Bears at Haas Pavilion. The credit here goes to Coach Ben Howland for having his guys prepared and ready to battle against one of the better coached programs in the conference. At the same time though, I don't feel comfortable getting excited and comfortable after this win hoping for more encouraging signs. Last time we did that following moral victories against Butler, Kansas and an actual one against Arizona State, the team came out flat with embarrassing and humiliating performances in subsequent games. Once again there were encouraging signs from last night's game (like the ones against ASU) but glaring (on-court) issues still remain around Howland's basketball team.
In terms of positives from this game the biggest deal for me was the effort and heart our guys showed in a tough road environment. The way this team seemed to be going through the motions last Saturday was extremely dispiriting and deflating to watch. I am pretty sure I am not the only one who was wondering whether the guys were responding to the coaching of Ben Howland. Bruins responded well to all the adversity from this week and they seemed to be ready for a battle from the opening tip off. They played hard, at least harder than the Bears. Coach Montgomery mentioned that point during his post-game remarks:
"I felt like they played harder than we did," California Coach Mike Montgomery said. "Kind of from the get-go."
More Monty:
"It's really disappointing. Sometimes I don't understand how we cannot treat a UCLA game as a big, big game in terms of coming out full of fire. We didn't seem to have that."
Despite the Bears cruising a bi through various stretches of the game they clearly outclassed us in terms of talent and experience. Our guys hung in there. Lot of that intensity and tenacity were anchored by the tough defense and rebounding of Malcolm Lee and Tyler Honeycutt.
Ryan mentioned how Lee fought through cramps during late in the game. He also made AA proud by bottling up Cal's Jerome Randle, limiting him to only 11 points and frustrating him with only 5 makes in 16 attempts. I think Lee's defense had a lot to do with Randle throwing up some crazy, low percentage threes in the second half. The Cal guard finished the night going 1 for 8 from the 3 point line. This is the third straight game in which Lee has bottled up the opponent's key play maker. It worked against ASU when he shut down Glasper. He also shut down Wise but didn't get help from his team that afternoon as Howland stayed man to man most of the game (more on that point later in this post).
While Lee was playing the role of defensive stopper, Honeycutt was giving me flashbacks of LRMAM with his team-leading 10 rebounds. Honeycutt's athleticism and tenacity speaks for itself right now. Right now what he needs is basically to gain more upper body strength IMO. I think that might come as he gets in more game shape (certainly it will have during the off-season). Honeycutt only had 2 points, but I think his points will come as he gets stronger and gets more confidence to finish down low. Just love this kid's game and am glad that Coach Howland is going to stick with him in the starting rotation in the Stanford game. More after the jump.
Staying on the topic of starting rotation, Jerime Anderson had an enigmatic night. He certainly had his moments with couple of huge 3 pointers during the regulation and money shots down the stretch. Yet at the same time, he also provided those hair pulling moments during first half when he was committing absolutely silly TOs during transition and almost committed one on that game winning shot (lol). I still like the fact he came out and battled. He certainly provided a little spark on the whole coming off the bench last night and perhaps it's a role that will work for not just him but the entire team here on out.
Speaking of working, let's talk about the zone. It wasn't perfect by any means and the Bears did have a lot of success by specifically targeting Dragovic to attack our zone. However, we did stiffen up a bit as communication between Nelson and Dragovic got a little better through the game. I think the changeup in defenses caught the Bears off guard, and also enabled our guys stay fresh on the other end. Michael Roll (the hero of the night) made that point to Jon Gold after the game (emphasis added):
At the end of the game, Roll was fresh despite playing a team-high 41 minutes.
"This is what I've trained for all summer," Roll said. "This is what I want, this is what I have. Also, we played zone and that kind of helped us with the wind factor. It gives a chance to get back and set up, not as much commotion."
Well we clearly have to improve on how we are playing zone. I was ragging on Dragovic a lot during game thread (and I am not going to give that up!!) but we were also having issues as Honeycutt and our other wings were coming up to defend but were being slow in rotating over, exposing helpless Drago around the baseline. No, I am not making excuses for Drago but the dude is so sad defensively and such a liability, he needs help. Still on the balance, the zone definitely helped. I am hoping and praying, Coach Howland gives it more than just lip-service in our next outing against Stanford.
Speaking of liability. FTs. Oy vey.
Really what else there is to say? I mean I don't know what to say except I keep thinking how must those Syracuse fans have been feeling during those classic years of Jimmy B. Just ugly. This also brings me the question, given how Nelson is an obviously liability from the FT line how we kept going back to him over and over and over again. Even the game winning shot seemed to be originally designed for Nelson.
We all love Nelson's effort and tenacity. Clearly the kid "brings it" every game. However, he still is not there yet defensively (as he is also getting lost at times). Frankly he is also being put in tough situations as an undersized 5 and he is trying to make the best out of it. The most important issue for Nelson is to get stronger. Guess that is the theme - getting stronger - for the entire team which also includes Honeycutt and Lee. I have to LOL at all those peeps who are supposedly in Lee's ears telling him to go pro. Instead of worrying about his draft status, they should be figuring out how Lee can get stronger and little more bulkier building him more durability for next level. Lee clearly has the potential (and would like to see him slash to the hoop a little more) but he needs to get stronger and bigger (along with rest of his team-mates).
As we talk about potential, a shout out to Brendan Lane. Lane (just like Honeycutt did as mentioned above) really screwed up in the zone giving up the baseline. But he hung in there. He had a great block and then had a nice 3 point play on the other. Also, props to Bobo for the mins he came in. He was productive. Perhaps there is something to be said about getting him his mins, by putting him in when we are playing zone? Would love to hear more from the basketball X and O junkies specifically on this point.
Anyway, over all we are all feeling good today. However, at the same time I am weary about Saturday. We won the game because we had decent shooting nights from Michael Roll and Nikola Dragovic. I have no confidence in any of those guys that they will be able to be average (shoot around 35-44 percent from 3 pt line) against Stanford. I certainly am not expecting Anderson to connect on three point bombs against Stanford either.
I am still left with the question whether we are going to be able to come out on Saturday with an intense effort and build on the upset win from last night? Are we going to be able to play inspired defense (mixing in both zone and man-to-man) and hold our own in the rebounding department? I honestly don't know the answer right now. I want to be hopeful but given our track record this season, not sure if our glaring issues have gone away. So in other words, I can help being (extremely) skeptical about our outlook heading into Saturday.
GO BRUINS.
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I was thoroughly frustrated with the beginning of the UCLA/CAL game and started taking notes of what was so upsetting until the late comeback. Despite an amazing OT win, a real important win for such a young team, I still had two MONSTER issues with this team and was wondering if anyone else agrees:
1. Howlands substitutions: Anderson was benched to start the game and Honeycutt and Lee at PG started the game off with energy we ha vent played with yet this year. Honeycutt was aggressive and strong and Lee set an up tempo aggressive pace for our offense. Then, all of the sudden, Anderson is in, Honeycutt disappears (pretty much for the rest of the game) and we slow down and the mess begins. Why does he always seem to make subs right when we are on a run? I think the subs are our biggest momentum killer, well actually second biggest next to…
2. Jerime Anderson is HORRIBLE. I know everyone is on Dragovitch this season for being a bum, but Jerime Anderson is MUCH MUCH worse. His pass that was deflected and luckily knocked out to Roll at the end of the game was an attempted NO LOOK PASS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. He must have dribbled the ball off his leg or foot 20 times in the game and looks lost when trying to set the offense up, up top. Lee needs to take over at PG and Honeycutt needs more min as a result. Anderson stinks on D also. He is the weakest link of the team and you cant have that at your starting PG position and Howland HAS to realize this.
Honeycutt played 29 minutes
And we made our biggest run in the second half, when JA was in the game. Don’t get me wrong, I was livid everytime that JA bobbled a pass, kicked the ball, etc., but I do think that he made some good things happen. Like Drago, it just seems like he makes as many mistakes as he does good plays. For example, when he blew by his guy and drove baseline, he could have easily dished the ball to RN because RN’s man came over to help, but instead he tried to force it up and charged. On the last play, he made a great pick and roll move, saw RN under the basket open, but threw a stupid chest pass when a bounce pass would have resulted in an easy bucket.
JTTHIRTYFOUR had a good post about football and practice, and it applies in basketball as well. Good practice equates to good play, and I wonder if our 17 turnovers are indicative of the way this team practices. We can’t win consistently if we can’t consistently catch the ball, dribble the ball, convert free throws, or make simple passes. Luckily, our shooting and effort, coupled with Cal’s horrendous shooting, bailed us out of this game, but it took a lot of fortune to pull out a one point win.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 7, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
free throw percentage
I know that this was not a strength for CBH’s Pitt teams, either, but sheesh! 52 – 55 percent from the “charity stripe” at the D1 level is simply unconscionable – especially where, on a night like last night, chances at the line were in abundance. Rare to have the foul count be soo skewed in favor of the Road team; to not convert on the vast majority of (no less than 60-65 percent) these defies explanation
The Mad Bruin
JA was Not Horrible
I thought it was his first decent game. He made 4/6 from the field, including a crucial 3, and 2/2 from the line. This is a vast improvement over his play thus far. He only had 2 assists, which remains troubling. And sure he botched the final play. A bounce pass would have produced and easy basket. It is hard to throw a ball through a defender’s outstretched hand that didn’t move.
Honeycutt
I’m really glad I’m not the only one who noticed the TH/LRMM comparisons. Both are extremely long and show a strange knack for being around the ball when it bounces off the glass.
I think the key to the entire game was the removal of Anderson from the starting lineup. He still plays extremely inconsistent but I think coming off the bench is a role that he is much better suited for. There are still tons of periods of time I found myself yelling at him for dribbling too much or picking up his dribble after two or three bounces. It was one extreme or the other.
But I wanted to re-iterate how great it was to see TH get some minutes. His rebounding and defense make us so much more dangerous of a team, especially on the defensive end. I like Anderson, but teams were not respecting his offensive game because he didn’t give them a reason to respect it. With TH running around and cleaning up on the glass, it leads to second shots (on a few different occasions that I remember in the 1H clearly) and TH also has the ability to finsh in traffic, something that Anderson just can’t do with his size.
Very happy with the win last night, but the only way that we continue to progress as a squad is if TH stays in the starting line-up, period. Anderson should only be playing in spurts to spell Roll or Lee, who are clearly our best wing players.
I’m sure Jerime is a very nice guy and works hard (I hope), but he is what has been dragging this team down. If Anderson had Randle as his assignment from the start of the game, I worry that we would have dug ourselves into a huge hole that we couldn’t have got out from. Having Lee at 6’5" at the top playing good defensive against opposing point guards will make a huge difference on the defensive end, as ball pressure is something so treasured by CBH (and rightfully so). No one was afraid of Anderson on the defensive end, but Lee’s length can give PG’s significant problems initiating the offense. Plus Lee seems to have much quicker feet than Anderson.
Pleased with TH but
a big difference between TH and LRMM is that Luc was bigger and stronger in his early years.
We do not have one beast on this team — not one. No one as strong as Luc, LRM, PAA or AA were in their days here.
Of course, it is understandable — young immature bodies of the freshmen.
One of my biggest disappointments with the soph class is that they did not come back bigger and stronger.
Only Bobo improved his body.
Did they hit the weights this summer, at all?
sjh
Key
Question:
One of my biggest disappointments with the soph class is that they did not come back bigger and stronger.
Only Bobo improved his body.
Did they hit the weights this summer, at all?
I raise this because
everyone points to RW’s blow up in his second year — much of it attributed to a body transformation from hard work during the summer.
We are used to seeing this improvement in most of our players and have not seen it in this soph class.
We cannot fault anyone for coming in thin — they are 17 and 18. But, we can question whether they are putting in the work to get their bodies where they have to be in their soph through senior seasons.
The issues is more than bulk. Both LMR and PAA had trouble holding on to the ball in their frosh season — actually for PAA until he was a Jr. But, they got stronger each year.
RN has been ok, but had the ball taken away from him. I think he’s the kind of player who will explode after a summer in the weight room — he clearly has that ethic.
BL and TH have such great potential — if they get stronger. I hope they work hard for it.
sjh
RW was always explosive
and added some muscle to the raw speed and hops.
My only cautionary notes would be James Keefe, who made an equally huge jump from being a freshman, without the new muscles translating into much; and also Bobo, who apparently hit the beach weights without doing anything cardiovascular – I am distinctly unimpressed with Bobo’s physical development, given how slow his movements look and how quickly he seems to tire.
by britishbruin on Jan 7, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
that's not what I am saying
What I am saying is: Bobo does not look like he is in good cardiovascular shape, ie the ability to run up and down the court a few times without getting tired. I don’t care so much about him bulking up from a muscular perspective, I just don’t think he is in playing shape at all. It’s understandable if a freshman isn’t physically up to playing 20-25 minutes, but a sophomore shouldn’t be in the shape in which Bobo appears to find himself. He could be as fat as Buddha and I wouldn’t mind, if he could carry that frame up and down the court.
by britishbruin on Jan 7, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
IIRC Bobo has congenital leg problems
that hampered his early development.
I’m not sure that what we are seeing as fatigue translated in to “slowness” isn’t simply an inability to go fast, not because of conditioning, but because of bad legs.
If it’s a conditioning issue, it’s on him. If it’s an inherent physical limitation, we cannot blame him for it.
sjh
fair enough
I hate it when people blame me for my inherent physical limitations, so I’ll give him a pass.
by britishbruin on Jan 7, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
PS. I missed JK's "huge jump"
sadly, what I remember most about his career is how injuries have kept him from reaching his full potential.
I am a big JK fan. But, I missed his explosion and major impact on the team.
As for RW, he really needed the muscle to round out his game. It is one thing to be fast and be able to jump and another to be able to stand one’s ground on D and muscle on the boards. Yes, he was good his first year, but he was bigger and better in his second.
I did not expect any soph to come back as good as RW,but I did expect them to come back better in their soph year than they were in their first. And, I’ve not seen it.
sjh
I think he meant that JK added a lot of muscle, but it didn't translate to on-court performance.
I have made this point about an overall lack of physical progress a few times. I think it is one of the biggest reasons why the team cannot play the type of defense that CBH wants.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 7, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
apologies for being less than clear in two ways, 66
JK: looked like he came back for his sophomore year absolutely ripped, but that didn’t appear to help his performance much.
JMM: looks in better shape than last year if you see him standing still, but doesn’t look to have improved much if you see him run up and down the court twice.
by britishbruin on Jan 7, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Landry Fields
Who’s going to take one Landry Fields in man-to-man d against Stanford? Dragovic? Oh my!
JK
Honeycutt is too slight to handle Fields if he posts up, JK has the experience and enough ability to stay in front of Fields – at least to bother him and make him earn it shooting jumpers. Stanford’s point guard play is really poor, they struggle with ball pressure even more than we do.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Are you seriously afraid of Landry Fields?!?
You know the Pac-10 is down big time this year when Landry Fields is in the discussion for all PAC-10. Yuck.
"Oh my!"
Ahh, for the days of Dick Enberg, an announcer I actually enjoyed. (It didn’t hurt that we won every game by a huge score.)
Zone versus man-to-man
I only got to see bits and pieces of the game, but I thought our man defense was better than our zone. We seemed to allow a 15-foot jumper about every second or third pass. I’ll leave the decision on that to Coach Howland, but anyway that’s my vote.
the second half
Zone looked a lot better than the first half. There were times when they tried to do the same drive to the rim that they did in the first half, but people came over to assist properly and ended up with them turning over the ball or jacking the ball up. But I liked how they mixed zone and man, which seemed to throw Cal off badly in the 2nd half
I'm not looking for hope
I’m just taking things GAME by GAME with ZERO expectation.
LEARNING (mostly for Ben) is what this season means to me.
When I linked into the game last night, to my delight, the Bruins were in a 2-3 zone!
ZONE with occaisional man to man is well within our team’s ability.
The only little touch I’d add, is that whenever there’s a GUARD steal on defense…
there MUST be a duty to go coast to coast to the rack for the purpose of DRAWING silly fouls, and give us a shot at easy transition buckets and 3 point plays. THAT should be a HUGE part of our offense. Easy buckets helps makes jump shots fall (confidence).
Nestor’s previous post of Coach Wooden talking about his challenging season some 50 years ago was enough for me to call off the dogs, and give Ben, and this current roster of players ROOM and TIME to grow!
Go Bruins!
A trip on over to the Cal Blog
Couldnt sleep last night so I took the opportunity to creep on over and see what Cal thought about the game.
First, not even being biased, BN is much more aesthetically please. Thanks guys.
Second, it was easy enough to say that they were quite upset. They went on swearing about this and that and said they hated us more than a bunch of things (including seals?)
What I found most interesting was they had 5 questions about the game as the post thread that they wanted people to answer. Question 4 was who was the most impressive player on the other team. (This is what interested me most)
4) Who was the most impressive player on the other team?
Roll, although credit to Nelson for toughness inside, especially for a freshman
I am glad that we’re not the only ones that can appreciate Nelson’s toughness and its obvious that Roll left an impression on them.
Jerime Anderson
I find it pretty interesting that another team would view it this way.
No easy answer for me. Honeycutt looked real good, crashed the boards hard and he’s apparently playing with a stress fracture. Roll ripped our heart out. Reeves is a tough-nosed player who (thankfully) can’t hit FT’s.
I thought it was interesting to see their point of few. The note on FT is what kills me. I will never understand the problem we’re having with those. It goes back to fundamentals as Nestor has been saying. The foolish turnovers and missed free throws are the hardest thing for me to swallow rightnow.
CBH has a uncharacteristically soft team
The most frustrating aspect of last night and the whole season is that this team is way too soft. Constantly getting stripped, getting outmuscled downlow, not going after loose balls, etc. The only players that seem to ever come up with loose balls are TH and RN (although for some strange reason ND ends up with a lot of random balls bouncing to him). This team really needs to get a lot stronger. Now most of that cant occur until the offseason when they can hit the weightroom, but hustle plays like going for loose balls is something that can begin immediately.
I really like the rotation that CBH employed yesterday. JA is not a starting point guard, but he actually makes a fairly talented bench player. TH gave good minutes, but I was glad that CBH went with JA down the stretch instead of TH (when ML went out they both did ok). The biggest thing that I liked was that CBH severely limited his rotation in the second half only bringing JA and JK in. BL and JMM had their moments in the first half, but I was glad that CBH didn’t ruin the momentum his team had built up in the second half by subbing every minute like he normally does. Players have to get enough time to get in a rhythm to be effective and CBH allowed them to do that yesterday.
well...
… we did dive on the ball a lot at the start of the game … which showed hustle if nothing else … but we do have a difficult in securing the ball that is in the air.
Re: JMM – as far as I could tell, CBH only used him when they brought in their giant (who has at least 5 inches on RN, but is, if anything, slower than Bobo), which I thought was situationally appropriate. I thought he did a great job in that role, and that BL’s minutes were useful when CBH was trying to communicate to his team how to stop so many easy defensive baskets.
As N said in the game thread, the first half zone looked better with BL playing than with ND playing. In the second half, it looked like they made some adjustments and tightened things up.
+1 Poncho
I could not agree more. CBH’s system, the Big East system, is built on toughness — physical and mental.
This is not a tough team.
I think the reasons are clear:
The seniors who stayed are not the guys from their class who were tough — although MR is playing to his potential and is emotionally tough, he’s not going to push many people around.
The juniors who would be tough are not here. They were so tough they could leave.
The soph’s didn’t get stronger this off season.
And, you can’t expect a lot of toughness from the freshmen whose bodies are thin — although RN is mentally tough.
CBH was so successful with his physical game that the entire conference adapted a big part of it. So, now, we are being hoisted on our own petards, we are the softies being beat up by the bullies who are more like CBH than we are.
sjh
great summary and points, N
I think I agree with everything you say in your summary.
To elaborate on a few things:
1) Defensive recovery speed:
ND has absolutely no recovery speed defensively. If he gets caught out of position – or if the defensive scheme breaks down through miscommunication – he is out of the play. TH can get away with learning on the job, as he has the athleticism that gives him a comfort zone. BL, while still a little lost and not the most athletic guy in the world, does seem to have more ability than ND to recover from mistakes defensively (perhaps a hidden benefit of being fresh from limited minutes). Similarly, RN occasionally makes great athletic plays to make up for being in the wrong place. JMM, like ND, looks slow whenever he isn’t in exactly the right place.
I think one of the things that I most hope to see moving forward is for RN and TH, in particular, to start using their athleticism to bail out their teammates on the defensive end. We can’t make ND/MR into great athletic defenders, but as the team comes together I think there is room for defensive awareness to grow and for better team defense to mask some of the individual defense issues.
I know I sound like a broken record on LRMAM’s contribution to our Final Four defense, but he was a master of bailing out other players when there were defensive lapses. I really hope TH can play that role, as he looks like he has the raw athleticism and length to do so.
2) JA off the bench: as can be seen from the box score, the switch of TH and JA in the starting lineup did little to affect playing time from the previous game – 29 minutes for both JA and TH yesterday in game + OT, 24/25 mins each against UofA. What it DID do, though, was bring JA into the game fresh, to pick up where ML left off and to either put pressure on the opposing starter with his fresh legs, or to go at a bench player if the opposing starter was off the court. So, I think I like those matchups and first substitutions at the start of each half more than with JA starting and TH coming in. JA does not look good starting a game against a fresh opposing starter, but looked better coming off the bench (and looking like he had something to prove). I am not saying he is great – or even had a particularly good game – just that I think this rotation makes JA look better than if he starts.
At the same time, though, what do we make of ML’s performance as a starting PG? Is making him the primary defender, primary ball handler and (self-appointed?) primary scorer too much for him? For all the comparisons made to our recent greats, no one player was saddled with all three responsibilities. I think JA and TH both looked better last night than in the previous rotation, I just don’t know how much production we may lose from ML.
3) Easy baskets: we’re giving them up and we’re not getting many ourselves. Last night we managed to win by making a lot more 3s than they made, overcoming our horrendous FT shooting and lack of significant offense. In the first half, we played a few minutes of good offense at the start, moving the ball around crisply and finding people for high percentage shots; after that, we seemed to resort to long shots or allowing RN to try to battle 1-on-2 or 1-on-3 underneath the basket. We also failed to convert on fast breaks. At the same time, Cal was able to find a lot of holes on our defense inside, going up for layups or finding soft spots for short jumpers. Thankfully, when we started trying to cut things off inside and give them outside shots, they were ice cold from the outside. We can’t rely on going 7-9 from beyond the arc in the second half to win games. We need to find some more high percentage shots (which would include hitting free throws).
4) on a related point – I like it when MR and ND fake the outside shot and drive inside; I’m glad they don’t always settle for a contested outside shot, and they are the people who I would also like to see at the line shooting free throws. I think this is one of the areas MR has clearly stepped up from previous years; and I think getting some points inside is a way that ND can really develop into a more consistent scoring threat even when he is not on a hot streak from outside.
Few points
I feel Morgan can adequately hold his own defensively in the zone. UCLA needs to increase their pressure on the passer or the zone will inevitably break down. Morgan is the only player on the roster that can alter shots. He can be an asset to this team as strictly a guy that plays five minutes a half and just blocks shots and rebounds.
Cal didn’t pressure our guards like I thought they would. Stanford doesn’t have the athletes to do it either, but we saw ASU increase their defensive intensity and we fell apart. Arizona was just a bad match up for us along their front line.
UCLA just matches up better with the oppostition when Roll is defending a guard and not a forward. Dragovic would actually benefit from playing center in the zone and not the wing, he doesn’t have the foot speed, lateral quickness or awareness to guard the baseline.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
funny you should say that
As I was sitting in the bathroom reading “publications quality tables in Stata: a tutorial for the tabout program”, my mind wandered to what would happen if ND and RN swapped defensive assignments in the zone defense.
I feel like ND’s post defense on a relatively stationary target is much better than when he tries to guard a moving player…
by britishbruin on Jan 7, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I'm in my recording studio
Listening to a loop of jungle-trance-hip hop that I’m trying to use for an industrial film music score…uh, working about as well as DG did this year.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
It was so awesome being there
My friends and I went apeshit when Mike Roll hit that shot. We were making a bunch of noise and this Cal fan in front of us jumped up and berated is for making noise during Cal’s possessions.
God I love beating Cal. They were so pissed after the game.
by inhowlandwetrust on Jan 7, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions
Great team win
I’m not an apologist for JA or ND, they both have their flaws and have played erratically this season, but UCLA cannot succeed without getting contributions from them. The talent level on this team is much greater than they’ve shown consistently, but, that said, is down a notch from the previoius four seasons.
Last night was a great team win. I always look to the players on the bench to check for body language, see if the guys are pulling for one another, see their mood – ie; early in the season guys were joking and smiling while being smoked by Portland and Long Beach State. This team is tight. They will continue to improve because their is a chemistry that is still developing and improving each game. They will suffer some losses, but come the 2nd half of conference play this team will be tough to match up with.
I applaud Howland for inserting Honeycutt into the starting lineup – regardless of the reason. Anderson actually is great as a reserve and along with Keefe stabilizes the second unit. This team flourishes in the zone. It allows the guys to rest some on defense. It keeps them out of severe foul trouble and, due to their lack of athleticism and foot speed, is the only viable option right now. Howland deserves some credit for recognizing this fact and making changes to his defensive philosophy.
We can all focus on the turnovers, lapses ond defense and missed free throws, but, like the ASU victory, let’s instead appreciate the win and see the growth in this team. The Bruins have a higher ceiling than several teams in the conference. It was great to see the seniors (Roll and Dragovic) play poised in the second half and make key shots. Again great team victory. Unlike others on this board, I don’t think they will suffer a let down against Stanford. Howland will have the guys ready to play on Saturday and, for one of the few times this season, the Bruins will have a quickness advantage on the Cardinal.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
(((Covering my eyes and ears)))
Why do you have to here and get us all hopeful about Stanford? I am not going to read you!!!!
Ready for Saturday
One thing we may want to remember is CBH gets an extra day to prepare for the Saturday game. His record for the first game of the week in the PAC 10 continues to be great. He gets more time = a better chance for the good guys (even though it is more time for the Stanford coach as well).
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 7, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Learning Curve
With basket ball. It’s a game of flow. Although the win was ugly. It was a Win! Ucla learned a lot about their own COACH, players, and abilities. Your matching different personalities and back grounds with each other hoping they will work. It takes any one a while to have “TRUST” in one another. Now they have built trust with each other, they are going to win or be in a lot of games the rest of the year. Only a true elite point guard will rip thru the zone. I am not to sure how many there are in the pac-10? It was a brilliant move by CBH to show the team and implement discipline. With week offensive teams great defense will keep it close. What that means is game time experience for players. The players will struggle,but the Heart of player will always show. That’s what last night win was!!
Assist
from my (Cal grad) wife for the game. Whenever she watches, Cal loses. We were still behind, she sat down for a few minutes, the Bruins go ahead, she mutters an expletive and leaves the room. ;-)
thoughts on ML finishing
1. I like seeing ML finish by driving hard to the basket. Even if not on a break, he can and should get more aggressive, especially when everyone’s just playing catch around the perimeter.
2. It’s frustrating how ML doesn’t seem to be able to finish a game. I haven’t counted, but this has to be at least the 5th or 6th time he hasn’t been available or hasn’t been 100% toward the end of a game due to cramping up. If I can see this, I would hope our training staff can as well.
Tell you what --
I am going with the “huge” win approach here. Not that I don’t appreciate the “this guy can’t play,” or “that dude is a disaster” or “CBH’s thought processes are deeply troubling” line of analysis, because BN would not be BN without them. I also think the historical references to players we no longer have are somewhat helpful. However, all those guys that can’t play, did play, and, together, each contributing what he could, they put us in the position where our last offensive possession mattered. A lucky bounce and a basket off a loose ball wouldn’t have been worth much discussion if we had been 8 or 10 points down at that point. Personally, I liked ‘em all, because they are the players we have, and they are the players we are going to continue to have, and it says “UCLA” on their unis. Of course, every game is going to be an adventure. Some, like last week’s impotent performance against U of A, will border on the disastrous, though we did come back a little. Some will be unexpected wins, as we have seen. I have no idea how we’ll do against Stanford. I am pretty sure that Drago will be back from the Twilight Zone, but who knows? And maybe TH and MR will up their point production. We have no idea, do we? So hang on, there’ll be a lot of stories unfolding.
as you like
Personally, I am trying to look for signs of progress from game to game. I don’t take hitting a bunch of outside shots – with victory in the manner that it came – as tangible progress. If we keep the energy up from the start of the Cal game for the Stanford game, that might look like progress on one dimension. If we give up fewer easy points in our zone D against Stanford than we did against Cal, that will be progress.
If we are up and down with our energy each week, and games look like a 3-point-shooting lottery every week, that will be disappointing. The excitement of two really bad teams trying to cough up the win seems a little hollow to me.
I like our players. The only player I don’t ‘like’ is the guy who is an embarrassment to the school with his brushes with the law.
by britishbruin on Jan 7, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that the team still looked ugly
and the 3 point barrage got us back in the game. However, consider it reversion to the mean. Dragovic and Roll had been shooting poorly in the first half and were due to make some. They got open looks, which they should hit. I don’t think this team can do more than live or die on whether Dragovic is hitting, but at least he is starting to make baskets instead of bricking the entire game. Overall, this team lacks the talent we are used to. TH is a division 1 talent, but needs bulk and strength. MR is a division 1 athlete, but he can’t shoot. RN should be a bench player getting 12 mins as a 4, but he’s getting monumental minutes as a 5, and we are making due. The team is gettting better. They are more exciting to watch than expected, and we may win 7 or 8 games in the Pac 10. We can’t be the dominant team every year. Let’s hope we recruit a Farmar, Westbrook, Love or LRMAM or two for next year.
Two points
1. IMO the play of the game was after Cal tied it up and Monty quickly called a timeout to set up his defense. CBH used that time to run a beautiful set play that got a mismatch on the low post to Dragovich. Not that Drago would have finished but he is far and away our best FT shooter right now. He got fouled and converted both. That kept Cal on their heels and kept us for the most part in control. I fully realize that Roll really gets the play of the game but that was pure luck. The above referenced play was well designed and well executed. CBH took advantage of Drago’s height and FT ability. Cal didn’t expect us to post him up but it was actually an easy 2 points at that crucial time.
2. Stanford. Anybody who is drinking the Kool Aid and thinks we have the advantage I have news for you. Stanford is at home. They match up well with us, as do most teams. They won’t be complacent as they know we just popped Cal (as predicted by yours truly). They took care of USC who was playing pretty decent basketball of late. Stanford is the favorite. We are not the same UCLA as years past. I don’t think we will get blown out but I do think it would be an upset if we win.
It's not Kool-Aid
Stanford, outside of Fields and Green, are limited offenisively. The Cardinal has less than stellar point guard play and are sieve like on defense. The Bruins are not playing at a high enough level to think they can beat anybody on the road consistently, but they have an advantage in depth, athleticism and have the good fortune of an extra day to prepare. It’s strictly a match up thing in my opinion. If the Bruins don’t allow a third Stanford player to go off, they’ll walk out of Maples 3-1 in conference.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
I have a problem thinking we have an advantage over any opponent, especially on the road, at this point.
Aside from … we are limited offensively. I don’t think this year’s squad is ready to outscore opponents. We can out effort them, outwill them, and outlast them, but we don’t have enough individual scorers to outscore opponents.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 7, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Fair, but I've seen Stanford play...
UCLA will struggle with any opponent that has quickness and athleticism at positions that Roll, Dragovic and Nelson have to defend. That is without question. It is also a schematic thing. Stanford doesn’t run isolation plays or spread the court and attack off the dribble. The Cardinal are team that runs with opportunity, but scores the majority of their points off Fields. He’s a handful, very skilled player. I’m not sure who UCLA has that can stay in front of him. Green is a catch and shoot guy, UCLA will find a way to choke him off. The Cardinal don’t rebound that well, and they defend about as worse than anyone in conference. If the Bruins don’t self implode, they have some really nice match ups in their favor offensively. It’ll be a tight game, but UCLA will win. I predicted the Cal win for much of the same reasons. UCLA has zero shot athletically against teams like Oregon or Washington because those teams will press us, turn us over and make it a whole court contest. Stanford, simply isn’t that type of club.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
I don't think we beat Cal because of offensive mismatches.
I think we beat them because we outworked them and they missed shots. Our offense was very good using the pick and roll, and we hit timely shots. I didn’t get the impression that we had any athletic mismatches against their d. We just beat them on positioning.
I haven’t watched Stanford, but like I said, I really don’t think our team can overlook any opponent. It sounds to me like you are saying that we are athletically superior and will win, but without 40 minutes of effort and hustle, I highly doubt any athletic superiority we may have will net a victory.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 7, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
You could have put UCLA in place of Stanford as the first word in your lead sentence
We have less than stellar point guard play and are sieve like on defense. Also no good fortune of an extra day. We both played last night. They finished their game earlier so they get more rest technically.
by 84 on Jan 7, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Stanford beat USC
Hey, the Cardinal just beat an excellent USC team that had won eight in a row. Of course, the match-ups matter. But Stanford held a good USC team to 53 points and beat them. The Bruins have their work cut out for themselves on Saturday.
by Arturo del Mundo on Jan 7, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
RN's ft's and a little more
ft’s again almost cost us a game, but the positive i take away was that only rn was missing. the rest of the team combined for 2 missed ft’s, but maybe it was a lack of opportunities either way it was good that not everyone was clanking away. now as far as RN’s free throw woes, it seems pretty correctable. he has a nice stroke (unlike mata or the prez before his senior yr) and i think he was a pretty good shooter overall in hs. all his misses seem to miss long. from what i hear the best way to shoot em is to focus on one of 2 spots, lip of the rim and back of the rim. i wonder what his focus point is and wonder if altering this would help.
more th = more better for us, me thinks.
michael rol made huge plays and seem to wake up from a shooting slump. but he seems to be at the scene of the crime for a lot of bone head plays, like he tunes out or loses focus. kinda troubling for a supposed heady player. but i give him his due, without his shots we lose yesterday, but same can be said for JA and ND.
as far as the sophomores not making the jump in physical development. one explanation could be the plague of nagging injuries most had. JA, bobo, ML all were hurt at some point. kinda hard to get bigger and faster when you;re trying to heal. throw in honeycutt and we’re behind in the game. unfortunately it shows.
Across The Face
free throws
We seem to miss a lot of front ends on the 1-and-1s. That means the misses are worse than the stats might indicate.
Yep
If you consider them 2 missed free throws, we would have been well under 50%
by AllHailMightyBruins on Jan 7, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
this drives me nuts too
i dunno how cbh hasnt pulled the hair from the side of his head at this point…
Across The Face
Agree wholeheartedly with the RN free throw point
His form seems solid. I think he will improve his percentage as time goes on. His misses are not usually the bricks that we saw from DG, or LMR.
by 84 on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Random comments to many of the posts
1. We do have a monster, RN. He is just not in a monster in the position he is playing currently.
2. There was progress with this game. For maybe the first time this year, we tightened up the defense and eliminated the stupid turnovers in the second half. Got better in the zone as the game wore on and adjusted to the exploitation of ND. The fact we were able to make adjustments is big to me.
3. RN had been improving his free throws…the CAL game was a step back but he will get a lot better over time.
4. The most maddening thing about this team is not the physical lapses. The physical skills are the physical skills for this year (hit the weights boys). But the stupid, stupid plays that generated turnovers were the killer in the first half. We eliminate those and we become an OK team. Add real intensity in and we can win some games.
5. We are going to have dry shooting spells, long and ugly, over the course of the season as we did in the first half. The question is whether we can battle through them. I think there was some character shown by the team, maybe for the first time this year, to stay close despite the ugly shooting and stupid turnovers in the first half.
Did not think we could win at CAL (maybe you are wearing down my biased optimism Nestor). Dont think we can beat Stanford. As a fan, hoping I am wrong again!
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Jan 7, 2010 3:44 PM PST reply actions
Per your request Bobo
The Utah Jazz Coach Frank Layden famously said on why he drafted 7’4"Mark Eaton despite the fact Eaton had barely played while he was at UCLA:“You can teach height.” Eaton went on to have a solid NBA and become the career leader in blocks for game. People often forget the second part of Layden’s quote which was: “I can teach him to play basketball.”
Bobo is not only tall he is relatively solid. Unlike say Mike Lanier, he can also run and looks relatively agile. He has the physical makings of a good center.
And Bobo has shown flashes of ability. Ironically on offense he gets into position well. He just needs to learn to finish. He has shown some shot blocking ability. His relative quickness, size, and shot blocking ability would help our defense as once you blow by JA (as in AZ) it would be nice to have a shot blocker ready.
However, Bobo is soft. He gets a rebound once every six minutes compared to TH’s once every 3.7 minutes (CBH cited this in starting TH) or once every 3.8 minutes for RN. This is in part because Bobo does not body up or box out well.
A zone is even harder to rebound in for that reason (you have to find someone to box out) and Morgan’s softness would lead to more second chance points.
That said, I like playing Morgan for a few minutes in the first half of each game. It saves RN a foul and he is a change of pace, a true shot blogger with size. A big post player.
Lastly, Bobo is the anti-ML in that he needs to get out of control some and play with more aggression. Those rebounds should be his. He is just too soft to be rely upon. If that changes, could be good.
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“he can also run and looks relatively agile”, “relative quickness”
I don’t think you can be talking about Bobo, at least from what I have seen. He looks like the slowest, least agile big man we’ve had in the Howland era. I don’t know that he’s even as agile as Michael Fey. He looks less agile than the freshman editions of LMR, PAA, KL, RN, Ryan Wright…
He used the word "relative"
And had mentioned Mike Lanier leading up to it. Did you ever see Lanier play in person? ;-)
I didn't see Lanier play in person
but if we are going to say “unlike Lanier, Bobo is relatively quick”, the presumably Lanier and Bobo are being compared to some other objective standard, not to each other?
Just sayin’…
You need to chill a little
Read DC’s comment below. It provides context and the comment above wasn’t really needed to keep extending an argument for argument’s sake. It’s a little ridiculous.
You're right
I am not saying he is quick but for someone 6’10" (and his looks legit unlikely say Kevin Love who was really 6’8") and with some weight, he moves okay. I am not comparing him to RN, LMR, etc. in speed and/or quickness. He is not going to be running the break ever (like Hollins could), but if he has a reasonably quick first step for a block and can get up and down the floor into position, he is okay in that category.
And Nestor is right on Lanier, Stone moved faster than the 7’6" inch Lanier whose real claim to fame was being half of the tallest identical twins in the world.
sure
Clearly his size and bulk are an asset, and I think he looks decent when the ball is thrown to him with a little space to work up against his man; and I definitely like bringing him in to provide a different look and give the opposition something different to worry about. He definitely needs to work on his defensive positioning – where his relative lack of quickness means he can’t recover if he is in the wrong place – and I think he can more easily be a shot-blocker in the zone where he can be ready waiting for a penetrating guard, rather than having to quickly move off his man to help. If CBH is going to keep working on zone this season, I think that helps the case for Bobo to get more playing time.
by britishbruin on Jan 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions

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