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Saturday Night Recruiting Open Thread: Burning Of Cheatey's Troy Edition

It's just bizarre. I am hungry for any football related news and tidbits right now to take my mind completely off the expected hoops debacle in Stanford. So let me share with you some fresh takes around the internets which also includes news on Cheatey Petey's attempt to lure Norm Chow to Seattle. It appears to be nothing more than just a trial balloon FAIL.

First, let's start with the Sporting News, which lists five reasons why the Trojies will not recover from losing their Cheater In Chief. Reason number three happens to be:

3. Rick Neuheisel

This is the break UCLA needed. There are too many positives, and the Bruins have made too many recruiting strides in three seasons with Neuheisel, for this program not to blossom. It likely would've happened with Carroll at USC; now it will get there quicker. Don't underestimate Neuheisel's ability to recruit—and don't underestimate how much easier it will be without Carroll's indomitable presence at every city high school. It's all about procuring players, and Neuheisel already was winning a handful of head-to-head battles with Carroll. It wasn't that long ago that UCLA won eight straight in the series (1991-98) and owned Los Angeles.

We all remember that eight straight (something Trojies can only dream about) pretty well.  As expected the status of Trojan recruiting class according tWWL looks pretty uncertain (See also the piece in SI.com fanshotted by uclafan11). The picture is not looking pretty for the Trojies:

Four-star wide receiver Kyle Prater (Proviso, Ill./West) has backed off a verbal to the Trojans. The 6-foot-6, 210-pounder was an early enrollee and was only a couple of days away from heading to Los Angeles to start college. Expect him to take a long look at in-state Illinois and perhaps Notre Dame or some other programs now.

"I really don't know what to say. I'm pretty shocked. I'm just trying to get with my family and my head right," Prater said. "I'm not going to be in Los Angeles on Monday. It just hurts. I really don't know what to say. I wasn't told of anything. I just need to sit down with my family."

Junior college tackle Brice Schwab (Palomar Junior College) has reopened his recruitment after hearing the news.

"I am decommitting," he said. "Since I am a junior college guy, I am going to return to my junior college and see what happens. I am sure other colleges will be interested, but I really haven't had a chance to get any information together. I am trying to get living situation and stuff like that done. I want to be a Trojan, so I am going to see what happens with the coaching situation."

Hmm. We can definitely use some bodies at DT. I wonder if Schwab has the grades and scores to get in (it's always tough to get JC football recruit to get admitted into UCLA). However, if he has the numbers, I imagine the staff already had him scouted out pretty well.

Of course the guys we have to keep our eyes on includes players such as Robert Woods, Xavier Grimble, George Uko, and Dietrich Riley. More after the jump.

Star-divide

UCLA staff got on Riley so fast that he is of already taking an official visit to UCLA along with few other recruits who had the trip on their schedule. That brings me to this story. Apparently stories are being floated about Cheatey Petey supposedly trying to lure Norm Chow to Seattle.

How LOL funny is the story about Cheatey trying to go after Chow? Well first of all Chow is under contract with UCLA at least through next year and he already made it clear that he was coming back next year. Secondly, guess what Chow was doing today. Of course he was entertaining all those recruits today which included an outing at Gladstones in Malibu. So, once again those stories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking on the part of Petey and his former (guess we can use the start former now, right?) lapdogs who are flailing around as their recruiting continues to dissolve into a state of total dishurray.

So, if you are hearing or reading more news on recruiting please share them in this thread or throw them up in our fanposts or fanshots. Let's enjoy the Saturday by watching the slow burning down of Cheatey's Troy.

GO BRUINS.

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I'm pretty sure CHow would need permission from the UCLA staff to interview

Not that I’m saying the UCLA staff wouldn’t necessarily grant Chow that permission, but that just seems almost too weird to fathom. Besides, I thought Carroll really wanted that master of the two-yard swing pass, Jeremy Bates.

by CAJason80 on Jan 9, 2010 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

As mentioned

Chow was busy working it in our official visit today. lol That story seems like a desperate flotation device.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Their obsession with trying to link Chow

to these jobs is just pathetic. Anything to drop a lame dig at us.

"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."

by S Jay Bruin on Jan 10, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Woods

says he’s still solid to SC. That could still change though

Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?

by bucknellbruin on Jan 9, 2010 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

He made the “safe” statement today. There is lot more going on in the background.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah i don't expect him to be totally solid

didn’t Rye say he’s coming to Westwood for a visit next weekend?

Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?

by bucknellbruin on Jan 9, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

He didn’t seem 100% when he said he would stay. With the head coach leaving, it’s more important that players recruited for the offensive side of the ball have a wait and see kind of attitude.

That being said, I don’t think we have a major chance in getting Uko. CRN has to make sure he plucks away a few offensive recruits from sc.

by LoveMyBruins on Jan 9, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Order of importance for me

Uko, Schwab, Grimble, Woods, Riley. Put any potential OL guys up at or near the top, too. Schwab may be first because he is a JC transfer who could play right away.

by sponkey21 on Jan 9, 2010 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

For me

Uko, Woods, Schwab, Grimble, Riley.

Woods is supposedly blazing fast.

by LoveMyBruins on Jan 9, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it just me

or is the typeface all of a sudden green?

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:01 PM PST reply actions  

and

the sentences are running off the page. I realize that if this is a problem with my computer, people are gonna think I am crazy. lol

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

oh no!

Sorry! :)

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

And under Fanposts, it says "Jill Painter Loses Her Bra"

Never having met Jill, I don’t know whether I want to see that or not.

by Fox 71 on Jan 9, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO!!!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Could both of you take screenshots

And email them to bruinsnation@gmail.com

Thanks guys. Can’t tell you what it is. But send it and I will send it over to our tech crew at SBN just in case.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Nestor, think about what you just asked me to do.

Take screenshots? I can only find the screen on good days.

Why don’t you ask me to command my liver to funcition better?

by Fox 71 on Jan 9, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

HA HA HA

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

N

I’m only 19 and can fully work a computer, so I sent you a screenshot :)

Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?

by bucknellbruin on Jan 9, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey hey there youngster!

I’m not too bad! I just couldn’t remember how to do a screenshot! :)

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Got it. All right that is weird. Let me send that in.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

We can't write any long sentences

Just write 10 words or so, and hit enter!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:11 PM PST reply actions  

I'm a technotard

Which button is it to get a screen shot?

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

You can do this

1) Control + Print Screen
2) Then paste it in the text of your email (control + V) or you can paste in your “Paint” and then save it as a jpeg file.

Does that make sense.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

N

Yours is ok?

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Got it

Looks like the issue is happening in IE, not firefox.

Really weird.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

ah ok

I can switch to that for now. I just want tohang out and read/chat about the implosion of the weasels from south central. Doesn’t get much better!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Safari

Is screwy as well. but firefox is fine on my mac

by littlebrother on Jan 9, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

On Firefox now

and its fine. BTW Cal leads $c 30-27 at the half

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm on google chrome

and it’s also acting weird. firefox is good though

Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?

by bucknellbruin on Jan 9, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully

We get it all fixed by tomorrow.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I just fixed it

Let me know if the problem is still around for any of you.

by Tydides on Jan 9, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

yes you fixed it! Very nice!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Unclosed HTML tags

The green typeface and the fact that it was “infecting” all text rendered after a certain point got me suspicious.

by Tydides on Jan 9, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh

Was that one of my posts? Will have to keep an eye on it next time.

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure

It might have translated in from the cut and paste part of the quote from the original source. It hasn’t really happened before though, so I wouldn’t be too concerned about changing your method of pasting.

by Tydides on Jan 9, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

It’s looking ok on IE for me now. But I am hearing still screwy in Safari? (I don’t have safari).

by Nestor on Jan 9, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

A safari techo chrome

Sounds like the latte Cheatie will be ordering from Starbucks on Monday.

I must admit that I have no idea what you guys are talking about. But you know what? I don’t need to know. My computer knows. (Remember that Lone Ranger commercial for some oil company many years ago?)

by Fox 71 on Jan 9, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't remember that commercial Fox

Guess that’s why I’m a geezer in training.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Jan 9, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't see your whole post

but yes I can do that! Just needed instruction. hehee

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

done!

I’m pretty impressive when I have instructions. lol

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

this is so glorious

with a lot of the coaching staff gone, SC basically starts from scratch. yes they will still get recruits based on what they have done in the past few years, but pete carroll was that program. CRN should have pull in all the great LA recruits now, once we get a little success

by dhuang90 on Jan 9, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

counting on Neu to close big again this year

Its gonna be a long offseason. Hit the weights guys, we already can’t wait for next year!

by sponkey21 on Jan 9, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

This is the key sentence for me

It likely would’ve happened with Carroll at USC; now it will get there quicker.

I think it is reasonable to ratchet up our expectations for this program accordingly moving forward.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 9, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

By the way

I looked at the Cornickles. The Kool Aid flavor of the day – he’s leaving because of

wait for it

wait for it

HIS AGE.

I stopped reading at that point, because I really, truly literally was rolling on the floor laughing. I have never, ever seen a more delusional group of people in my life. If Madoff had confined his schemes to just$c “graduates” (and I use the term loosely), he would have made twice the money and no one would have complained. And if he got busted, the trOJies would yell “Oh, the prosecutor is just looking for a book deal.” Jill Painter would have wet all over herself about how Coach Madoff was all that’s right with investing.

They really need to do something. I don’t know what, but something.

by Fox 71 on Jan 9, 2010 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

I saw that too!

I couldn’t believe my eyes. I didn’t read on either because it was so ridiculous! Laughable!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Close game up at Cal

Cal 55 $c 51 with 5:11 remaining.

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

Final

Cal 67 u$c 59

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Jan 9, 2010 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

The LAT will be sad

They are pulling for $C to with the Pac 10 title.

We won’t win it, but I sure don’t want the Toejams to win it.

by Barnes2JJ on Jan 9, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I give the article an A for effort, but only a C on analysis.

It nice that someone else notices that the Emperor is missing a few pieces of clothing, but I think it fails to address three significant points. It mentions them, but it does not analyze them.

First, the article concludes but never explains that just$c* is a “cash cow” to the ncaa. Why does it come to that conclusion? Many here have made that same conclusion and have used the same figure of speech, but no one has ever explained how or why the ncaa should give a crap about how much money just$c* football makes. There are 120 D-1 schools. If that number becomes 119, the incremental loss of overall revenue to the ncaa is negligible. If they somehow decide that they need to have more tribute come in, each of the 120 schools can just raise the price of one product by a dollar or so. I don’t accept the notion that the money generated by the football machine could have been a direct cause of the glacial speed of the ncaa investigation. I just don’t buy it.

The second reason to give the article a C is the author’s suggestion that the delay is waiting for the bu$h depo. Think about that. bu$h is either deposed or he is not deposed. If he is not deposed, then that suggests that there never will be a report. If he is deposed, he either gives testimony that’s helpful to the ncaa (giving direct testimony of first hand knowledge that Cheatie or Garrett had knowledge of all the extra money he got, which I’ll call a confession for shorthand purposes) or he doesn’t. If he confesses, then by definition the ncaa has another piece of evidence. But if he doesn’t confess, then again the suggestion in the article is that there never will be a report – to use the author’s figure of speech, the cops won’t present anything to the jiury.

This obviously pre-supposes that a confession by bu$h is necessary to make the case, but that’s a flawed conclusion. The author himself states that McNair knew about all these extra benefits. McNair’s knowledge is institutional knowledge (unless the fact that he’s an animal abuser negates that somehow) and the ncaa cops don’t need anything more.

In short, to suggest that the ncaa has to wait on the depo is simply nonsense. If the rule is that discipline can come only if there is an admission by a principal player, then enforcement of ncaa rules becomes an honor system, and we all know that the concepts or “just$c” and “honor” are incompatible. For crying out loud, the face of just$c*, or at least its football program is now doing time in prison in Nevada. He still hasn’t confessed to anything.

The bottom line is that the delay cannot under any circumstances be attributed to any need to have the bu$h depo transcript. That’s utter nonsense.

Third, the article touches on but does not go beyond the notion of what just$c* institutionally should have known. Cheatie Petie had first hand knowledge that McSUV was driving a Landrover. The article points out that the just$c* athletic department knew that bu$h was ‘interning" at a sports agent’s office. (We don’t know how much he brought home from that summer job, but I think it’s likely that he got a tad more than minumum wage, just like every other college student.) That’s actual knowledge (and would be all that a reasonable jury would need to impose the death penalty). But what should just$c have known? We know that it has a (pardon the chuckle) “compliance department” because they admit they have one. What does it do? What is its responsibility. Is it a passive report collecting desk, where once a year each kid, coach, agent and booster leaves a piece of paper saying “I didn’t violate any rule, but I won’t sign this under penalty of perjury because my agent told me not to.” It should be pro-active. It should investigate things and look into the lifestyles of players for a money trial or an entourage. Obviously the more likely targets of illegalities (bu$h, Jarrett, Linenart and the like) should be looked at more closely. Alas, the author of the article chose not to expand the “should have known” aspect of his analysis, and I don’t know why. In any event, the “should have known” evidence is overwhelming, and again is more than damning.

The delay by the ncaa could be based on legitimate factors, such as …, well, I can’t think of any legitimate factors. That leaves only illegitimate factors. I really, truly think that the just$c* money machine reaches into the bowels of ncaa galactic headquarters. The individual investigators may well be doing their job diligently and loyally, but somewhere up the line, someone’s vacation home is likely to be getting paid off with currency bearing the smiling face of Cheatie Petie.

One more thing, not really having to do with the article. It seems to me that a “compliance department” should first and foremost NOT NOT NOT report to the athletic director on anyone in that regime. It should report directly to the Chancellor or President. No internal audit department reports to the head of the department it’s auditing. Does anyone know how ours is set up?

Anyway, those are my reasons for applauding the effort but not the analysis.

by Fox 71 on Jan 10, 2010 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

in response to the Cash Cow question.

Fox, it is easy to believe USC and other institutions are cash cows and therefore protected by the NCAA and their conferences.

The simplest way to think about this is to consider what happens to ratings for a world series when the Yankees face up to someone like the Dodgers compared to a world series involving say the Diamond Backs and Royals. The ratings drop considerably. We all know that Ratings equal profits. The same has to be true of College bowl games, we already see evidence of this when a Bowl Game invites a Notre Dame when a smaller more deserving school is out there. We lament it every year during bowl season. There are certain “brands” that are more appealing to audiences than others and ratings, and sales of jersey’s are huge indicators.

Whenever I think back to the shameless actions of the Pac 10 refs during the 2004 game against hated South Central, robbing us of those two fumble recoveries, it’s easy to see that the Pac 10 saw an opportunity to not only send a team to the BCS NC game, but a likely winner. They weren’t going to let anything get in the way of that, certainly not at the expense of fair play. Sure, I sound like a conspiracy theorists, but we have all made comments about LAT’s uneven treatment of it’s two local universities, the NCAAs lack of punitive actions and etc not to believe something stinks in Denmark.

(I know that as a litigator, you want proof not theories. I do not have ratings for various World Series, NBA Championships, Super Bowls and BCS games, but I’ll bet my jersey on the disparity between teams and their revenue they generate.)

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jan 10, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I know a little of the way TV works

Networks buy the rights to televise games before the season starts. So the money is paid before anyone knows who will be playing. The payoff from ratings doesn’t go to the NCAA but rather to the networks. It’s no secret that in baseball, for example, Fox Sports executives were taking numbers to get in line to jump out windows when the prospect of a Tampa Bay against Milwaukee World Series. It seems to me that the biggest part of the big bucks that go to the conferences and to the ncaa are from the lump sums paid in advance by the networks, and that’s not dependent on who’s playing.

I just have a problem with the whole cash cow business. I’m not saying it’s incorrect, just that it’s never been demonstrated to be correct and it’s not logically correct in my opinion.

by Fox 71 on Jan 10, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Love Marc Tyler's comments

The following is from the espn.com article last night.

Carroll brought a fun, upbeat style to USC’s practice field the players soaked up. But the coaching change also means fresh opportunities for players who were stuck on the bench. As usual, there will be some players excited to see a new coach arrive. Tyler admitted he’s one of them.

“I think he was a coach who kind of had his favorites and stuck with those people,” Tyler said. “We’ll see who comes in and who has a fresh start.”

He is basically saying that Petey has favorites and he sticks with them. Surprise surprise. Marc…talk to Aaron Corp and see if he has an opinion on this.

by 84 on Jan 10, 2010 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

I have no empathy for Tyler

He could have followed his Dad’s footsteps and been a stud at UCLA, but he chose the Dark side and now is paying for it. Of course, he isn’t the only one to have fell for Pete Carroll’s shtick. Here’s an interesting quote from Dillon Baxter in the SD Union Tribune this AM:

After Carroll talked to Baxter in a visit to his home last month, Baxter said he had just one question for him. "Are you going to stay?" Baxter recalled asking Carroll. Baxter said Carroll looked him in the eyes and said he would be at USC. "I guess it’s business if that’s what you want to call it," Baxter said.

Yeah Dillon, it is all business, and you, Mark Tyler, and many others were exploited by “The Humanitarian”

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Jan 10, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Absolutely no sympathy for Marc Tyler.

by Nestor on Jan 10, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

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