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At The Heart of UCLA’s Complex Problems: The Exposed "Filthy Five"

The "pass protection" from UCLA's OL this season has been non-existent

We have talked a lot about our pathetic play at QBs. We have discussed our atrocious defensive scheming to death. Yet I think we haven't really looked at the key reason our team completely imploded in Berkeley: the horrid and wretched play of the "Filthy Five." Our offensive line deservedly has gotten a lot of praise for their performance until the Cal game. What Coach Bob Palcic did with his rag tag group of seniors was nothing short of remarkable. Yet ultimately they were exposed on Saturday despite the efforts made by our offensive staff to mask their deficiencies through the zone blocking scheme underpinning the pistol offense. I think this is really the heart of the problem that ails our program and it goes back to the previous coaching staff.

Of course we are not going to shy away from holding Coach Rick Neuehisel accountable if he fails to adjust and adapt to the problems at hand and if he doesn't make moves to address issues on our defensive front and the dumbfounding personnel decisions we are seeing on the offensive side. However, we have to also recognize the cards he is playing with. The issue with the attrition of our OL is well chronicled on this blog (you can click on various tags attached to this post to jog your memory from the pre-season and off season). Ultimately it was our out-manned OL made up of bunch of rag tag seniors that exposed this team on Saturday.

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The crew of Sean Sheller, Darius Savage, Ryan Taylor, Eddie William and Mike Harris were destroyed in Berkeley. Frankly they were embarrassing. Their pass protection was a joke and it brought back the horrid memories of Rick Neuheisel's first season in Westwood. They couldn't give Kevin Prince time to throw, which also had an impact on giving our receivers enough time to separate themselves. Their run blocking effort was just as bad as they looked physically overpowered. Honestly I am not sure how much of that was lack of effort or how much of it was just lack of talent that ultimately got exposed by the Bears.

Since the OL failed to anchor the offense we did nothing to control the clock and it snowballed into rest of the team and resulted in a total meltdown. The problem is I am not sure whether there is any quick cure to this problem. We are well aware of the attrition issues at OL. It is going to take another year or two before we develop a fully stocked OL roster. So the question is whether the OL can get back to serviceable level of performance. They did ok against a mediocre Kansas State and Houston front-7. They dominated an atrocious Washington State team and frankly surprised and snuck up on the Long Horns.

The question now is whether they can at least hold their own against rest of the Pac-10? If we don't have a good answer to this question, I am not sure how much it matters who leads us at QB and how many adjustments we make on the defensive side. At the very least, I think the coaches should wait another game before even deciding to make a switch to Richard Brehaut. The focus next 10 days should be to rebuild the confidence of this OL, our RBs, and then given Kevin Prince one more shot against the Ducks to put together a credible performance as our starting QB. If Prince doesn't get it done, then the coaches should make the switch to Brehaut when they come home for two games.

Otherwise for now, if we were to look into the complexities of the problems around our football program, it kind of begins and ends with our offensive line. If these guys don't get it together fast, then it is going to be a long struggle for rest of this season. Guess we weren't kidding when we used to write Karl Dorrell was setting UCLA football program back an entire decade. It is going to take a while to get out of the abyss created by his mismanagement. Of course that doesn't excuse some of the other issues that Rick Neuehisel needs to correct and address. However, it is imperative for us to appreciate the key issue while attempting to understand the complex issues around a program that had been mismanaged for almost a decade.

GO BRUINS.

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Huge difference between zone run blocking and pass protection

That’s one of the major reasons the line was so ineffective at Cal. The reason we went to the pistol and zone blocking is that it helped mask our offensive line’s talent deficiencies. Zone blocking in the running game will do that. We were able to manhandle Houston and Texas because we weren’t asking our guys to pass protect, but pretty much just run block, run block, run block.

When you are running the ball with zone blocking, as an offensive lineman, you’re moving forward and blocking a zone. You’re moving forward into your man and taking control (ostensibly). When you’re being asked to pass protect, it’s the total opposite: you’re having to step backward and waiting to react to what the defensive player is doing. Zone run blocking really allows an offensive line without a lot of elite talent narrow the talent gap when faced with an elite defensive line (like the Longhorns’ defensive front). However, when an offensive line like UCLA’s (a rag tag group of second string guys) has to pass protect against a talented defensive line, that’s a recipe for disaster since the initiative is taken away from the offensive line and shifted to the defensive line.

Cal knew our offensive line had serious problems, masked by our zone blocking scheme in the running game. Kudos to Tedford and his staff for studying the film and planning for it. Cal stacked the box, dropping both safeties to within 5 yards of the LOS. Even if we tried running, our backs would have found a Cal linebacker or safety in any hole that was opened up. Cal stacked the box and dared us to beat them with the pass, which played right into their hands. When we tried to pass, it allowed their defensive front to take control and overwhelm our offensive line. They exploited a weakness by forcing us to abandon the one thing that was working for us.

Now, if our line could hold their blocks, if the tight ends and backfield players could chip block, if we had a QB who could throw the deep ball, and if we had a WR who knew how to go up and win the ball in the air, then we would have destroyed Cal.

Why?

When the defense drops the safeties like that, you’re left with one-on-one coverage on the outside. You keep both tight ends and the running back home to block and you throw it along the sideline, where your WR only has to beat the one man covering him. If you have a WR with the size and balls to go up and win the ball, that’s a recipe for 6 points.

Unfortunately, we have Kevin Prince, who can’t hit the broadside of a barn, and a group of WRs who don’t seem to understand that you can’t let the ball come to you. Someone call Larry Fitzgerald: we need someone who knows what the f**k they’re doing to teach these young guys how to play, because Reggie Moore sure isn’t getting it done.

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Bell

I watched the Cal/Nevada game, and Nevada did a great job of neutralizing Cal’s speed on defense with the read option and misdirection plays. Forcing Cal to be patient and stay home on defense seemed to be Nevada’s big advantage on offense.

Why do you think we ran so few read options, misdirections, and screens, which could have given us the same sort of advantage?

by bornagainbruin on Oct 11, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

We don't have the personnel for those things

Nevada has a much better QB and Cal was forced to respect the passing game. Cal couldn’t drop both safeties into the box against Nevada, because unlike us, Nevada would have taken advantage of it.

Also, and I cannot emphasize how important I think this is, Cal didn’t have Mike Mohamed for the Nevada game. The guy is not only a beast, but a very smart defender and the leader of their defense. Having him (he is essentially their defensive QB) back makes a huge difference in their ability to play smart.

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

So, we changed schemes to take pressure off our offensive line. Yet, we changed to a scheme that we don’t have the personnel for even running the most basic play, the read option.

Ugh!

by bornagainbruin on Oct 11, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have some of the right pieces...

…if Chow wasn’t afraid to use them and/or if our coaching staff could develop the raw talent. Thigpen, Carroll, and Presley are all guys who will be a great fit for the pistol offense. But they don’t see a lot of playing time for reasons known only to the coaching staff. Hopefully, as these guys get more experience (and once we have a true pistol QB, like Hundley), our offense will take a huge leap forward.

But that’s a lot to hope on.

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Nevada QB

was rated the 67Th best QB coming out of high school while KP was 40Th and RB was ranked 9Th.

CRN needs to start to develop these players! Fire CNC and throw a ton of cash at a June Jones assistant.

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Oct 11, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

June Jones?

I think we need a Chris Ault guy.

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

part of it

was that Cal had an extra week of prep time, AND had already seen the option against Nevada. That made the Cal D MUCH less vulnerable to the things UCLA does well on offense than the Bruins will be seeing pretty much all year (I suspect the Duck D will know what they’re doing too, since their own offense is option-based, even though a number of the details are different).

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by MrPacTen on Oct 11, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

so then

if a team prepares for the things UCLA does well we have no chance? everyone knows what we do and how we do it that is our problem!

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Oct 11, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

except

I’m not sure off the top of my head if anyone else has a bye before facing UCLA (and the extra week of prep time helps a LOT), and quite frankly UCLA hasn’t been good enough for teams to devote an especially large amount of prep time.

For instance, Arizona plays Washington and then UCLA the next week. It’s not like the Wildcats are going to take away prep time from Washington to be extra-prepared for UCLA.

And when teams haven’t seen the pistol offense before, it’s hard to adjust (see: Cal @ Nevada, Texas against UCLA, etc.). IF the Bruins can patch things up on defense, their up and down offense should have a couple up weeks left in them, possibly enough to drag the team to six wins (though I’m thinking five to be honest).

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by MrPacTen on Oct 11, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

my point is

there isn’t a lot of anything we do that is tuff to prepare for is there? we run the ball and then we run the ball some more. i would think it doesn’t take long to figure out what were doing.
I would take 6 wins right now but i agree with you 5 is probably are best bet.

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Oct 12, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loading up the box

Question – It seems like when they load up the box on D, we should be able to better make mid-range throws such as slants, etc as well. Maybe due to all the drops we’ve had at the TE position and the minimal existence of the F-backs, I guess we haven’t been able to do that…

by Go Bruinz on Oct 11, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That requires...

…a QB who can be moderately accurate. As Prince has demonstrated time and time again, he can’t seem to hit anyone in stride, often throwing behind his receiver (which often leads to INTs).

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

OR possibly

UCLA’s line really isn’t that bad and Cal’s DL is that good. Even with the DL and LBs doing the keystone kops imitation in Reno the defense is in the top 20 in almost every category. Yes, you can say Colorado and Davis will help you get those stats, but they did hold Arizona to 10 points in Tucson.

by ososdeoro on Oct 11, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Well

I hope that is the case oso. Guess we are going to find out in next three games, especially when we take on Arizona.

by Nestor on Oct 11, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

It could be the case for sure

Especially since their DC is new, it might have taken them a few games to learn his schemes. So far it looks like it was a good hire for them.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 12, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bye week.

Thank god for the bye week btw. Gives everyone time to deal with the on field shenanigans
 that is our football team.

1) We can prince more rest/rehab time for the knee. Sub 100% Prince = Bench. Seems like adding to the painfull loss is a few of our younger players are banged, hopefully few of them can recover.

2) Both QBs have time to get plenty of work in.

3) No excuses, our coaches have extra time to “scheme” against Oregon so at least we put up a good fight. I’m tired of everyone exploiting everything we do, why we don’t exploit other teams issues on a more regular bases. Maybe an issue with scouting and analysis?
4) All the fans need a bye week also, can’t take another weekend like this anytime soon.

by Bruin'96 on Oct 11, 2010 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Only bummer about the Bye is Oregon has one too.

And we all know how Cal used that extra time to their advantage since we are now an open book to all.

by bruinmom on Oct 11, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of this

it is my reason for sticking with Prince at least another week, and it is my main reason for maintaining that CNC is doing a decent job this year, and, pace Bellerophon, should not be let go at the end of this year.

by britishbruin on Oct 11, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

re Prince

Yeah, I think I might write a stand alone post on why I think he should get at least another start against Oregon.

by Nestor on Oct 11, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Talent-wise, he should start

I wasn’t advocating that Bell is the better QB. I trust CRN’s judgment that Prince is the best QB for our offense at this snapshot of time.

That being said, I think Prince should still be benched because laughing on the sidelines is simply inexcusable. That and that alone is why I’m calling for Bell to start at Oregon. Prince and Brehaut need to learn that losing is not acceptable and chuckling it up when the Golden Bears are mauling us is disgraceful.

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

About the laughing thing

I wish we heard a little more on it. I have seen that video few times now. Now I am not sure any more whether my initial first impression of was accurate. I saw the moment while I was watching it in a bar. So my reaction was visceral. Thinking it over for last couple of days I wonder if they were just trying to calm each other down. Not sure right now man.

by Nestor on Oct 11, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't see any of it --

but I wonder if it was “laughing” or a nervous reaction to the disaster that was unfolding — a sort of WTF?

From the comments it seems that all anyone got was a few video frames that may have been taken out of context.

But, CRN knows the context and if it was “laughing” I think he should deal with it, sternly.

Also interesting to see the post that Rahim was pissed that some of his ’mates were laughing in the locker room after the game. He, too, knows the full context and I tend to trust his judgment that the behavior was inappropriate.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Oct 11, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with Rahim

It’s not appropriate, even if you’re trying to calm someone down. It’s been a long time since I was an athlete, but losing was never something to laugh about. In looking back, I find some of the losses amusing in how we managed to lose, but at the time, I remember being nothing but pissed off about not winning.

We need guys who want to win, who need to win, who live and breathe to win. In short, we need more Rahim Moores.

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

didn't see it live.... did see the sideline one on the fanshot...

when i first heard about it i was rabid. “you have got to be kidding me?” then i saw it, and it was fairly innocuous. we were down 28-0 but in the red zone with lots of time to play.

closer to the end of the game would have been unacceptable. they thought, as did i at the time, that we’d get right back in it.

what rahim says happened in the locker room – that ain’t gonna fly… i never got blown out as a player, but now as a HS coach my kids don’t do that. and we got blown out worse on friday night. (talk about a weekend to forget…)

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by avtwvi on Oct 11, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

take a gander at the video...

and then decide for your for yourself. Before seeing the video, I imagined it was the QB’s sitting on the bench far from the sideline while the defense was on the field. But, it was quite a different scenario. Prince was racing off the field to conference on the sideline between plays. RB made some comment to Prince and broke out in a laugh that lasted just a second or two. I couldn’t see that Prince laughed as well, but regardless, it was a very shortlived moment. It could have been about any number of things that I would consider appropriate given the context.

by kevb75 on Oct 11, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Line play on both sides is what we lack

Until we can dominate the line of scrimmage we will be an inconsistent team that loses to any team with power. Stanford and Cal just ran us over on both sides. Hopefully, the freshman we recruited will mature and be able to compete. Until then, we will have no idea what will happen on a given Saturday.

by 75NatChamps on Oct 11, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah

I think I prolly could have written a separate post just zeroing in on DL as well. Lot of young guys playing for the first time. However, the concern I have is I don’t really like Bullough and Howard’s roation of shuttling guys in and out. I understand they are trying to keep guys fresh but it’s really preventing those guys from getting into a rhythm.

by Nestor on Oct 11, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually stumbled into this argument in the other thread...

…but when you look at who we recruited and brought into the program, it really begs the question of why we’re starting a converted TE at DT.

In the other thread, I posted:

As I’ve said, from my observations, our defensive linemen have not developed under Howard. Their technique in shedding blocks has not qualitatively improved. As for our defensive ends, I have not seen any development in their ability to utilize basic moves (such as the swim move) than what they came into the program with. Our defensive linemen, like our WRs, seem to be a pretty much known quanity once they get to UCLA. When they leave, they were more or less what they were when they arrived. Yes, they’re bigger and stronger, but that’s not because of Howard, that’s because of their work in the weight room and the fact they are still growing young men. In terms of “coaching up” the talent, Howard, IMHO, has been deficient. Our defensive line has looked good only because Howard was lucky enough to have elite talent (Brian Price, Brigham Harwell, Bruce Davis) coming into the program that got pressure on the QB and made it look like he was doing his job. Can you point out which defensive linemen came into the program and got better (in terms of technique or ability not attributable to weight or strength gain) under Howard? As for Korey Bosworth, I’m sure he’s a great guy, good kid and all that, but I don’t think his technique was that good, his stats were mediocre, and I’d say 95% of his success was due to the defense having to key in on stopping Brian Price, Datone Jones, and Akeem Ayers. Howard is an okay coach, but okay isn’t going to cut it in this program anymore. I think it says a lot that despite bringing in numerous defensive linemen over the past 5+ seasons (David Carter, Reginald Stokes, Jeff Miller, Dylan Rush, Andy Keane, Darius Savage, Justin Edison, Brian Price, Datone Jones, Damien Holmes, Iuta Tepa, Keenan Graham, Owa O., Sealii Epenesa, Cassius Marsh, Rykeem Yates, Derrick Bryant, and Wesley Flowers) we’re having to start a converted TE at DT. Of all those guys we brought in, exactly 1 has left early for the NFL. A converted TE at starting DT should say a lot, especially when you look at how guys like Stokes, Keane, and Edison, who were ranked higher than Bosworth out of HS, who were certainly considered better defensive lineman than Nate Chandler, a freakin’ TE, have not developed into reliable players for UCLA under Howard.

All-in-all, we’ve brought in enough guys that, had Howard developed the talent, we should have 2 to 3 solid starters and only be forced to work in one young or inexperienced guy. Kind of concerning in a Reggie Moore kind of way.

by Bellerophon on Oct 11, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Justin Edison has been getitng blown up at LOS

Interestingly I think Reginald Stokes has been looking ok but he hasn’t been getting as many reps (from what I can see and remember). So yeah it would be interesting to hear more from the coaches about their rotation strategies.

by Nestor on Oct 11, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow...

when i read the other post i did so before your reply. apparently you are 100% correct and i never picked up on it. apparently todd howard can be added to the list as well. i’m still learning defense, but i think it would be much easier with brian price on my line.

and let’s not forget that right now, like right this second, maybe not on next thursday but right now, our best DE is probably akeem… owa might end up being special but again, like you say, how much is him getting older, stronger, smarter? and how much is his position coach teaching him? or improving his play?

really concerning in a reggie moore kind of way…

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden

by avtwvi on Oct 11, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hit the Nail Right on the Head

Nestor, I completely agree with your article. I think the offensive line is at the heart of our problems. That was really obvious with our anemic offense the last two years. Two years ago Kevin Kraft almost never had time to throw. It makes it really hard to judge the quarterbacks under these conditions, because they are constantly under duress and feel rushed. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a different Kevin Prince if he were to have adequate pass protection. When he did last year such as against Washington he actually looked impressive as a passer.

This may explain the paradoxes I mentioned in a very recent fanpost:
1. How is it possible that such great quarterback and pass oriented coaches as CNC and CRN could have a team with no pass offense?
2. If Kevin Prince just can’t pass how was he able to pass for over 200 yards in the first half last year against Washington?
Answer: A weak offensive line that can’t provide adequate pass protection can explain both of these things. No pass protection = no passing game with the possible exception of having a super mobile quarterback like Vince Young. Maybe this isn’t the whole answer, but I think it’s most of it.

There obviously is some improvement in the offensive line from last year, but it apparently hasn’t turned around the way it may have seemed to before the Cal game. We got lulled into thinking that the deficiencies had all been remedied when this was not the case. And if the run blocking has improved the pass blocking still leaves a lot to be desired. One thing I don’t understand is that even Washington St. is providing pretty good pass protection to their quarterback Jeff Tuel. He had all day to throw against us, and I understand he had pretty good protection against Oregon on Saturday. Is our offensive line really worse than Washington State’s? If they can do it why can’t we?

by RogerT on Oct 11, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Next Year

Kinda scary to think that our best offensive linemen right now are almost all seniors and will be gone next year. If we think we have it bad this year, how are we gonna be next year? Does this mean that we are at least 2 years out from having a decent front line? Scary thought.

by suctoejam on Oct 11, 2010 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Not really

We’ll have guys that have been starters in Baca (He’s our best OL IMO), Maiava and Harris back next year. We’ll also return guys who have some experience in Hasiak (needs to control his temper), Ward (whom staff is high on), Griffiths, Downey, Capella, Yandall. We’ll also have Innes off a RS and the incoming FR class (Daryl Jackson will be in for spring ball and others may join him). We’re a bit deficient in talent and/or experience but it’s a lot better than what Palcic has had to work with thus far IMO. We may need a couple of FR to provide depth but most likely, they’ll all be redshirted. Lastly, Sheller may get a 6th year and there is talk that Abele may come back although I doubt it.

Our line will be better next year IMO.

by BlueReign on Oct 11, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right!

Still lots of question marks though. Baca has to study harder, Kai has to stay healthy, Hasiak has to keep up with his studies and stay out of trouble, etc. Hopefully XSF comes back the year after too.

Sad that I have to start looking forward to next year already.

by suctoejam on Oct 12, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

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