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Current, Pre Pac-12 Revenue Sharing Formulas

Bumped. Good discussion going on in the threads. GO BRUINS. -N

In Nestor's FanPost about revenue sharing plans for the Pac-12, britishbruin asked what the current formulas are. I started wondering too, so I did a bit of research. Here's what I found.

According to Greg Hansen of the Arizona Daily Star in Tucson, for any and all football games on TV, the two teams being televised get 32% of the cut from that game, and the other eight teams get 4.5%. The inequity there is that we get more ABC and ESPN games compared to Arizona getting games on Versus, etc., so our 32% is more than their 32%. Another article from that paper states that basketball revenues are distributed much more equally, but doesn't give any detail. (Also learned from the Greg Hansen column that long ago $c said they wouldn't go to Pullman to play Wazzu, so they didn't - from 1958 to 1984. Old news to geezers, but this geezer-in-training didn't know that, and I bet most of the young'uns around here didn't either.)

Interesting details on total revenue per Pac-10 team from a Jon Wilner blog post here for FY 07-08 and FY 08-09. It includes football and basketball income but again doesn't give a formula. Wilner points out that UCLA was a close third-place in total revenue during those two years despite our football team going 10-15. That's the power of the LA market - again, more regional ABC games = more money.

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A Seattle Times article from May 2009 gives a slightly different but very similar football distribution to what is above, but seems to indicate that bowl game and basketball tournament money is distributed in equal shares regardless of the participants. It also lists the strictly-football TV revenue from 2008.

After reading the above articles, I finally found the official Pac-10 Handbook (pdf).The bowl expenses are indeed divided equally, after the participating team deducts a transportation allowance,  Oddly, though NCAA basketball tournament revenues are split equally after transportation is deducted, any revenue from the postseason NIT goes 100% to the participating team.

The actual formula the Pac-10 uses to divide football TV revenues is in the Pac-10 Handbook (same pdf) on pages 75 and 76. It talks about 'units' but it basically sounds like the distributions referenced above are probably pretty accurate. The basketball formula is on page 78 of the Handbook, and with a few minor tweaks in following clauses is basically this:

Each national over-the-air network game involving two Conference teams shall be assigned a value of $233,334. Each national over-the-air network game involving one Conference team shall be assigned a value of $116,667. Each regional over-the-air network game involving either one or two Conference teams shall be assigned a value of $100,000. For each national or regional over-the-air network game, 55% of the value shall be shared equally by the appearing institution(s) and 45 percent shall be shared equally among the 10 Conference members.

 So, if we play Arizona on a national game, both teams earn $64,166.85, and the other eight teams each get $13,125.04.

I didn't find anything in the handbook specifically favoring UCLA and $c in writing. It is definitely slanted in favor of teams that get on TV, though, which in practice does favor the LA schools.

Not revenue-related, specifically, but I'm not sure how we ended up with two Thursday night games given this rule in the Handbook:

Institutions shall be limited each season to one road weekday football game while classes are in session...[stated elsewhere] excluding all Fridays after Thanksgiving.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Nice work KS

And how DID we end up with 2 road Thursday games?

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Oct 19, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

No idea...

as today’s freshmen weren’t born yet when I first set foot on campus, I wondered if one of the games fell during at least some brief break in the calendar, though I knew neither were between quarters. Nope.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Oct 19, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Before we lost our whole starting OL...

Four starters gone, out of 5…I think a lot of people forget that. It looked good before that happened. Yeah, the UW game was unnecessary, but it would have been totally winnable with even half of that starting OL still intact…and a healthy QB…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 19, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

two Thursday road games is still a big disadvantage

as I said on the other thread: if we were a better team this year, the scheduling would have made a tough Oregon game into a probably-can’t-win game, and turned a good-shot-of-winning UW game into a tough-shot-to-win game. Those are two places that are already a decent home field advantage and we just made it a lot tougher, as well as the Friday road game the day after Thanksgiving against ASU.

If we are going to play Thursday games, I guess I’d rather it be Eugene and Seattle than Corvallis (Thursday night graveyard of $c teams) and Pullman, but unless I am mistaken we will never benefit from this added-advantage so long as we are playing games at the Rose Bowl.

by britishbruin on Oct 19, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well you are right

so I still wonder how the decision was made.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Thursday Night games...

Were arranged by ESPN earlier this year at separate times but was part of the Package that moved Stanford from an October date in the Rose Bowl to a September date. The Udub game came later in the process. Sark & Co. lobbied for the Thursday night game and UCLA’s Rick Neuheisel was given a prop for being so gracious in allowing the change.

It will be interesting to see if there will be a Thursday night game in the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl is limited on what it events it can hold due to the basically residential neighborhood that surrounds the Arroyo Seco. I don’t think that many of the neighbors want to see their Thursday night commute home fouled up by a football game.

by Hiero_ii on Oct 19, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

And about 96 people would be able to make it to the Rose Bowl at 6 on a Thursday

including the players’ parents.

Two roads diverged in a wood and I – I tweeted my followers to ask which I should take

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 19, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

much appreciated KS

gives us a great startpoint to analyze details of any upcoming deal.

On NIT/NCAA difference – is it that cost of participating in NIT may exceed the actual revenue? Also, people do decline invites to NIT, so maybe a revenue share for it would discourage participation even more…

by britishbruin on Oct 19, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Great stuff KS

I knew revenue was dependent on TV appearances and whatnot, but didn’t know the specifics. This is awesome information.

Two roads diverged in a wood and I – I tweeted my followers to ask which I should take

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 19, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

It's been fun to research.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Oct 19, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

NIT sharing...

The 2010 NIT Manual (pdf) states

All remaining net revenues will be distributed to all the participating institutions, with the size of each institution’s share determined by the number of games played. Each institution participating in the first round games will receive a total of one (1) share unit, teams participating in the second round games will receive a total of two (2) share units each; teams participating in the quarterfinals will receive a total of three (3) share units each; and the four teams reaching the semi-finals in New York will receive a total of five (5) share units each.

It’s hard to find info on NIT revenue in total dollars, which I thought I could use to figure each team’s share. San Diego State went in 2009, and won three games before losing in the semifinals. According to this article, it was guessed they’d net $25-50K total from the NIT. This article in the NY Times says the basketball revenue from both tournaments is calculated in units, with the main NCAA tournament revenue figured on a six-year running total somehow. Best info it has is

The N.C.A.A. distributes money to the 31 conferences with teams in the tournament in the form of units. The units are calculated by taking the total pool in the basketball fund — $167.1 million this year — and dividing by the number of teams in the tournament plus the number of games played (except for the championship game) during the past six years.
This year, there are 752 units worth $222,206 each. (The N.I.T. units are worth about $14,000.)

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Oct 19, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

USC & UCLA to receive $2 mil more than the other 10 schools

New revenue sharing plan – According to this 10/18 Seattle Times article both the LA schools will each receive $2 mil more than the other 10 schools until threshold is reached. The threshold is reported to be between $130 mil and $170 mil.

by uwgrad83 on Oct 19, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

thanks uw,

but that was actually what this post was responding to, to give us context (previous fanpost linked to that same article)

by britishbruin on Oct 19, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fascinating.

Nothing in there about how much the sports agents pay to get access to U$C players, though?

by BrendonBruin on Oct 19, 2010 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

No...

this is the handbook for amateur teams, not professional ones.

Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.

by KSBruin on Oct 20, 2010 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

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