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The Rick Neuheisel Paradox

Rick Neuheisel needs to stop channeling Terry Donahue if he intends to succeed at UCLA.

I used to have a boss who would tell me "Achilles, you’re either in the game or you’re out of the game."

The reference he was making was to our company. We worked at a place where we were in competition with some other firms, but the owner’s sense of victory was only his own personal profit margin. He didn’t even try to beat the competition, he just cut corners and nickel and dimed and made sure he was personally profiting and the fact that everyone else in the company was barely surviving was of no interest to him. So, every time any of our competition made a move to strengthen their organization and we failed to make a countermove, we’d just note that as a company, we just weren’t really in the game.

And that’s how I feel about UCLA football right now. I feel like we’re not in the game.

Think about it: The fun part of the college football season is not just the games involving your team, your tailgate, your conversations with fellow fans. It’s also about following the sport in general. It’s about watching the ESPN show on Saturday morning, watching the highlight shows, checking out the Top 25 polls, the BCS standings and even watching the other big games from around the country. But when your offseason is mostly notable for who got hurt, who gave up football, who’s suspended and who’s academically ineligible and then the first half of our season is notable not for what could have been a program defining win against a top ten team in Austin but instead three humiliating losses to teams that were once sure wins on the schedule -- well, you just don’t matter to the rest of the college football world. In 2010, teams circle UCLA on their schedule and assume it’s a game they can win.

Being irrelevant is a drag and it renders all the aforementioned "stuff" sort of meaningless and instead of being into the college football season you find yourself agreeing to go shopping for hardwood floor with your wife on Saturday instead of flipping channels with one hand and drinking some cold suds with the other.

The paradox of Rick Neuheisel at this point exists between his recruiting – where he appears to be going all out, fearing no other coach or school and is reeling in a lot of well-respected high school players – and his on field coaching – where he seems to be channeling his mentor Terry Donahue with a conservative, punt-from-the-35-on-fourth-and-short, let’s-take-the-field-goal, play-the-less-talented-upperclassmen-over-the-less-talented-younger-guys, forget-about-winning, we-just-want-to-keep-it-close approach to football.

Just so you know, I just visited the student store and they are selling a new line of adidas white flags for fans to wave every time Neuheisel elects to punt inside our opponents territory or opts to kick a field goal on fourth and goal and the team down 30.

Star-divide

But one can only imagine what impact another mediocre-at-best season will have on recruiting. At what point do results start to weigh more heavily on the minds of future players than the program’s perpetual potential? How many blow out losses can the program endure before the recruits start to realize that the promises made don’t match the reality they’re witnessing. The answer: I don’t know.

There is another element to the Neuheisel paradox worth considering. Try to follow along with me:

There are three elements to coaching college football, basically. There’s the recruiting. On that front let’s be generous and stipulate that Neuheisel and his staff are doing a good job. Then there is the strategy. Strategy includes everything from calling the plays to deciding who gets to play. Here, I’m less than enamored with what RN and the coaches are doing, but then again, anytime a team is playing poorly the armchair coaches and Monday morning quarterbacks have issues.

The most difficult thing for me to assess is the "coaching up" part of coaching. I mean, it's somewhat easy for me to comment on play calling. It's easy to comment on strategy. I can comment on personnel decisions. I mean, I see what's happening and I have an opinion. What's really difficult for me to assess and comment on might be the most important thing of all: the concept of coaching the kids so they improve.

I mean, when you look at Boise's roster or Oregon State's roster -- they don't have more four and five star players than we do – and if someone were to really count them up and see that Oregon had a few more it still wouldn’t account for a 47 point blowout. But somehow they have guys who look like studs when they are sophomores, juniors and seniors and our guys don't seem to improve at the same rate.

As I’ve been noting in a few emails to a few friends: UCLA recruits four star high school prospects and turns them into three star college players, other programs recruit three star prospects and coach them into four and five star studs.

There is something about the way these guys coach (and many, many guys coach) that makes their players better over time and that doesn't seem to be happening at UCLA. I don't know if it's mental or if it's a confidence thing. I don't know if it's the way we teach and coach the fundamentals. But there is some gap between our practices and everyone else's whereby our guys don't have the same growth as players over time that other schools demonstrate. If a guy is a stud like Brian Price, he stays a stud. But if a guy has some natural talent like Randall Carroll but needs to improve his skill set -- they don't seem to get better over time.

Along the offensive line it actually seems to be different. Coach Bob Palcic actually seems to be coaching the line to be better players over time. But our running backs never get better. Our receivers never get better. They just stagnate. (Or get worse over time – there is a receiver on this team who was really great as a freshman who I believe only has 10 catches or less this season as a junior. How does that happen?) The guys who are naturals play fine. The guys who are raw, never fulfill their potential. It just seems that many of our top recruits never turn into studs. Off the top of my head, is anyone else shocked that Morrell Presley isn’t kicking ass, just based on his high school reputation.

So, the paradox of Rick Neuheisel actually has another dimension. He recruits with reckless abandon, but employs strategy like a coach who just wants to keep things close, keep the score down and hopes his superior opponent makes a few mistakes and he can steal the win. (Which is a good synopsis of the Texas game.) But the second level consequence is that he recruits great raw talent, but seems to have no idea how to mold that talent into and turn it into a winning program.

At least not yet.

Until he figures it out, until he realizes that it takes more than just great recruiting, it takes great coaching both in terms of coaching the kids up and employing the right strategies, UCLA will be irrelevant in college football circles. Until he is excelling at all three aspects of college football coaching, instead of just one, we as UCLA football fans won’t be in the game. 

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Great conclusions

I agree with every word. Every year, with every HC, we hear, "young team, injuries, learning curve, new OL, new system to learn, etc, etc. Why? Then I start to see more basketball posts. Other teams don’t have the same issues to deal with? Please. To look like we do on the field tells us that something is really wrong inside this thing. I don’t know what that X factor is, but it all starts with the consciousness of the HC. The team is HIS. He picks the assistants, the players, and the makes the game plan. RN has the best OC out there, and we see receivers dropping balls and running poor routes with predictable high school play calls. Not throwing to one on one when they load the box. We give the fodder to the LA Times hacks. With more TX like wins, they would shut up.

Now, we have to ask the Q, what do we do? Send emails to people in authority? Pressure the staff? I don’t know. I do know that I see the same KD pattern emerging. Am I the only one? 5 years of the same lame excuses and then termination. I had so many expectations for RN. We all did. Not panning out. Not getting better. Lucky now to go 6 and 6. Again.

I pray that this season doesn’t end with a home debacle vs U$C. A blowout by them at home would severely hurt recruiting since many come to that game to make a choice between them and us. I have to be honest. Right now, I don’t have a good gut about it.

by 1970 on Oct 24, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

ROFL

This is hilarious:

I agree with every word. Every year, with every HC, we hear, "young team, injuries, learning curve, new OL, new system to learn, etc, etc. Why? Then I start to see more basketball posts. Other teams don’t have the same issues to deal with? Please.

Uhm, perhaps you “see” basketball posts because … uhm … we are just weeks away from the start of the hoops season? If you are going to offer observations, that is cool. For love of God, think a little before you post a rant.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on N

Only football matters. Football, football, football. I would trade a thousand championships in other sports for a win in football.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

And in the previous thread bruinclassof72 is posting the tired “we are just a basketball school” completely oblivious to what has happened in last few decades. I am starting to wonder if Classof66, Fox71, BruinNut are anomalies. Because so many of the alums from 70s who have come on here have sound so comical.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nestor...here is what i actually said:

“after all we have been and still are a basketball school first and foremost!…”…and has been noted we have won 11 championships in BB, and only 1, which was shared, in FB…i rest my case…:)

by BRUINCLASSOF72 on Oct 24, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go see my reply

Your view is jaded by the period in which up attended UCLA.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 24, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

UCLA Football

We have had extensive discussions here on BN over the years debunking the nonsense of UCLA being “just a basketball school.” Think again if you ever insult our program that way. You will not get to post again. Thanks.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

banned again for saying that i think the Bruins stand more for BB than Football?...

really?…11 banners vs. 1…in my very humble opinion we have become more know for basketball…what is wrong in saying that…if that’s what i honeslty feel…hopefully our BB warriors can right the ship and bring back the glory of those banners, if not at least those final fours…and you would have me banned for this thinking?…really?i love football…but basketball has given us all more to crow about in recent years…and i am NOT saying we are ‘just have basketball school’…we have become more known for basketball excellence of the past decades…the banners tell us that…or at least they tell it to me…

by BRUINCLASSOF72 on Oct 25, 2010 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are not banned

If you were banned, you wouldn’t be able to post your rant. As I mentioned above this is a discussion that we have had number of times. We don’t need lectures on our basketball tradition. That doesn’t mean you get to dismiss our football program by saying we are just a basketball school. As mentioned above, drop this topic and move on. Thanks.

by Nestor on Oct 25, 2010 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about a Tennis or Volleyball school?

Men’s Tennis and Volleyball have more banners than Men’s Basketball. If you’re using such a simple and reductionist method for evaluating our sports, why aren’t you talking about those sports?

by Westwood Wizard on Oct 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I resemble that :)

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!
(Formerly "HoozierDaddy")

by BlueWave on Oct 24, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should I get rid of you as soon as basketball season starts?

I’d be doing you a favor since we’re gonna be having posts here on a different sport, so that way you don’t have to burden yourself with being something more than a one-dimensional knuckledragger.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you look...

At the 100 championships, there is only 1 in FB.

by 1970 on Oct 24, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually ...

the one in football doesn’t count in the total (which is really up around 105 or something like that).

The First to 100 campaign only counted NCAA titles. Since there is no “NCAA Champion” in college football that football win (awarded by a wire service) isn’t counted.

Just an FYI …

by Achilles on Oct 24, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since we're getting technical

The NCAA does award a football championship to the FCS winner.

Doesn’t make the “only football matters” attitude of some people around here sound any less Trogan-esque though.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

See page 108 of this link:

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2009/2009FBS.pdf

It reads:

NOTE: The NCAA has not enacted, adopted or otherwise approved of the process described below. The NCAA has no role in the selection of the institutions that participate in postseason bowl games and does not sponsor an FBS championship.

That’s from the 2009 official NCAA record book.

It’s my understanding that the NCAA does not officially sanction the FBS. There is an explanation of it in Wikipedia, though I don’t like to use it as a source.

This was the best I could find.

I’ll concede I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the FBS championship is not considered an official NCAA title.

I only wish we were in the running so the debate was more than a technical exercise. .

by Achilles on Oct 24, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL ....

I should know better/

/tips hat

And at this point,I’d settle for an FCS title.

by Achilles on Oct 24, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much time?

In all seriousness, how much more time do you give CRN?Hypothetically, if he wins 3 of his last 5, it is a no brainer(gets 2 years). However, if he loses all 5 and gets blown out by SUC, what say ye?

by Gary72 on Oct 24, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know ...

I’m not thinking in those terms yet.

See, the recruiting has been good. Just from a rankings standpoint, the young talent is better than the veteran talent — and that’s with the team doing poorly on the field. If things break our way next season and we get to 8 wins (and, yes I know that 8 wins is considered a bad season for many teams, but you know what I mean) then the recruiting should only get better and eventually that better talent should make for a better team.

At the moment, we have a high profile OC and a low profile DC. Without commenting too directly on NC, maybe RN should call his own plays and we should have a high profile DC instead of a high profile OC?

by Achilles on Oct 24, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

in his hypothetical of 3-9 this year

not sure that 8-4 next year would be enough…

by britishbruin on Oct 24, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well ..

if we went 3-9 this year and RN was retained and we went 8-4 next year — I don’t think we’d make a coaching change after an 8-4 year. Besides, after an 8-4 year the recruiting might get even better, thus making the future seem more secure.

But back to the original post above — if you recruit well but don’t “coach up” the talent you won’t reap the benefit of the great recruiting.

by Achilles on Oct 24, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

[nitpicking]

I guess it would depend on the manner of the 8-4 – big blowout losses to $c, Utah, Cal and Texas, with narrow wins over Colorado, ASU, WSU et al… might not get it done. But this is getting beyond the realms of ridiculous speculation…

by britishbruin on Oct 24, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

Do not post unsubstantiated rumors here. This is a blog not a message board. Thanks.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry about that comment...

I know the hoops are upon us. Good. It is just coincidental that I, myself, begin to fall back to our BB history when FB is not going well.

by 1970 on Oct 24, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

fwiw

I think our running backs seem to have improved.

by britishbruin on Oct 24, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember

After the last Gary Beban season, we had a losing season. The next year Tommy Prothro went out and got Dennis Dummit from a JC. 1st game we beat OR St 32-0. We went on to a (I think) 9 and 1 season, losing to $$c. Played 10 games then. No other bowls allowed for the PAC 8 then, so we stayed home. Today we would have been in a major bowl with that team. Dummit was a great QB.

by 1970 on Oct 24, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

actually Dummit led UCLA 2 years...both years i happen to cheerlead

the 1968 squad won only 3 games, and then in Dummit’s senior year we won 8, lost to uscock 14-12, and we tied Stanford that year…if we had not lost to the breakable bunch across town we would have gone to the Rose Bowl…

by BRUINCLASSOF72 on Oct 24, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

1969 Team

Was only like 9 years old at the time and a 3rd grader back home in Iowa but yeah, UCLA had a GREAT team that year. Think they opened up WHOMPING Oregon State 37-0 (who would go into Iowa City the next Saturday and lay a 42-14 whomping on the Hawkeyes). Just remember how heartbroken I was when we lost to USC 14-12. We would have gone to the Rose Bowl and beaten Michigan I’m sure. And 1973 mirrored 1969 in many ways.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Oct 25, 2010 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

In regards to 1970's Karl Dorrell comment
Now, we have to ask the Q, what do we do? Send emails to people in authority? Pressure the staff? I don’t know. I do know that I see the same KD pattern emerging. Am I the only one? 5 years of the same lame excuses and then termination. I had so many expectations for RN. We all did. Not panning out. Not getting better. Lucky now to go 6 and 6. Again.

Actually, I see it is more of a Charlie Weiss pattern. But, you are definitely on the right track.

As for pressuring the administration, that is exactly what the ND alumni and student body did. They wrote a strongly worded letter to the athletic director and school president that the football experience was directly related to the student and alumni association.

I just don’t see it happening for two reasons. UCLA and DG will give CRN his full 5 years. Period. Buying out all the contracts now would prove prohibitive.

Finally, while I’m just as impatient as the rest of us. I have to remember that Mike Stoops at Arizona stank up the place for the first 5? years he was there. Many of the UofA faithful were calling for his head, but here in the 7? year of his tenure he has a ranked and winning team. I honestly don’t know if I can wait another 4 years. But, unfortunately I don’t make that decision.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Oct 24, 2010 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Stoops

Apples and oranges…

Stoops had less talent to work with clearly.

We have as much talent on field as anyone in this conference now. It is flat out coaching on both sides of the ball.

by Seahawcla on Oct 24, 2010 12:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

How so?

How did CRN have more talented players than Stoops when he started? And specifically, well diversified talent.

This is not to take away from the coaching shortcomings, but I just don’t see the talent that everyone is talking about. Stoops’ big recruits are now juniors and seniors. You don’t think that makes a HUGE difference?

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 24, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cats

Go look at what recruiting was at Zona before Stoops compared to what Dorrell did at UCLA.

And the deficiency card is done at this point. I played it with Dorrell and the DL as the Coleman/Ball group left and Toldeo left a bigger hole numbers wise then the OL issues Neuheisel inherited. I learned my lesson it becomes a cop out this far along.

This is his third year working with these players how few are living up to the hype? It’s almost across the board.

Our cupboard based on stars is stocked. We got ranked once season based on us having a large amount of seniors in Dorrell’s final season. That season looked just like many of his others.

by Seahawcla on Oct 24, 2010 4:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually your fanpost on the subject is largely debunked

As too simplistic. BruinReign’s analysis in the fanshots is more comprehensive and makes more logical sense.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simple is all that is needed...

My point in the original is we have more talent then half of these teams easily, our OL would grade out prospect wise better then we are giving credit for as well is my guess.

Yet we ae going to be 9th in any power poll at this point in our conference. We are getting housed by teams that I refuse to believe have more talent then us.

I just dont see this coaching staff putting players in a position to succeed. Im thinking we are so sold by CRN’s vision and passion that we are covering for him. Like I said he sold me, I believe in his vision… But we need to start expecting more, the top coaches find ways to raise the program in the first few years. Zona is the best example of a long term build and they have we less star power recruiting to start and where they are at now.

by Seahawcla on Oct 24, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh

We established pretty well that the general range of expectations for this season was 5-7 wins. A point discussed in extensive detail during off-season. The season is long way from being over. We will wait to see what transpires before calling this season a failure.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Its not like he’s going to be fired next week. Let the season finish out, lets be patient on this. Our program already has “limited” resources and we can’t exactly make any rash decisions now that will make the situation even worse.

The whole “passion” speech has run its course, passion on the field needs to be seen. The number of “wins” is arbitrary here. Solid on field progress is needed to set us up for the next few years. I want to see the younger players placed in positions to learn and improve. If they can’t hack it, then the coaches bettter be recruiting their positions hard for the future.

All I know is, if we don’t have an solid O-line for the fourth straight year under CRN, all of the coaches should be fired.

by Bruin'96 on Oct 24, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clarify

Not giving up on the season, I want to win every game. More importantly I want us to “competently” compete in every game. See you guys at the Arizona game :)

by Bruin'96 on Oct 24, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Completely Agree

Yes, that puts things back into perspective. This season is not yet over.

by RogerT on Oct 24, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simple may be all that is needed other places

Not here.

Unless you have specific rebuttals to BlueReign’s post that add desperately needed context to your oversimplified analysis, then don’t even bother responding. Whether the coaches are or are not doing something is one issue. Rewriting history and glossing over important details along the way is another. You can refuse to believe whatever you want, but your penchant for preferring simple explanations over what may well be a more complicated truth does not bode well for your credibility. BlueReign demonstrated that he understood the issues specifically because he was able to dive deeper and draw conclusions from the facts. Being able to google or do a site search for star ratings does not convey understanding. It’s obvious that BlueReign is more credible here.

The other problem with attempting to perpetuate your flawed analysis is that it leads to a misdiagnosis of whatever true problems we may have. Whether the end conclusion is the same is irrelevant.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure enough...

First I am not writing off the season if I came across in that way it was an error in tone. I was evaluating where we are currently at, I am not willing to write off any game remaining on the schedule.

The only move I want done at this point is a change in DC, but I am sure some consecutive games with creative game planning could alter my view.

I dont know what I am supposed to rebutt in BlueReign’s post. I fully agree we have issues at OL and QB. It comes down to player development. I agree with his thought that programs like Northwestern, Utah, etc can get it done we should be able to reach those heights as well.

I think Blue and my post both take a look at recruting but are looking at micro v. macro issues. At no point did I rewrite history becuase all I did was some simple research to a question I had and presented the data. And yes sometimes keeping it simple can be effective at looking at data, macro and micro can both provide useful information.

by Seahawcla on Oct 24, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said you were giving up on the season

So I don’t know where that comes from.

And the whole point of the last thing I said was to reject the notion in advance that just because you reach the same conclusion as BlueReign does not make the reasoning leading up to it equally valid. There is no macro and micro here. Pointing out specific deficiencies and holes in our recruiting classes is much more helpful in identifying the cause of problems than simply saying this ranking service says X so we should be ranked Y. There’s no logical conclusion that can be drawn from looking at a single measure of how good a class is supposed to be and relating that to player development. Nowhere is that illustrated better than the problem areas we’ve had, especially O Line. We’ve had multiple posts go up in the past months showing that “star ratings” and good college O Linement do not correlate all that well.

As far as rewriting history, yes that’s what I’d call it when someone declares past recruiting to be perfectly fine when in reality it was anything but. That’s the difference between yours and BlueReign’s post.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

We both are pointing out that we haven’t had any issues with bringing talent into the program when you look at the star ratings. We’re then using this to point out that if talent was not the issue, then it has to be a development issue. We’re just going about it in different ways.

My take was to show the reasons why we have struggled and continue to struggle at the QB/OL/DL positions which are essential to building a successful team. Even knowing this, I don’t approve of the length of time it is taking nor with the degree of competence exhibited thus far.

I go back & forth on whether I’m being realistic or impatient with my expectations. I want us to succeed so bad it hurts….physically hurts.

by BlueReign on Oct 24, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since I saw you didn't specify in the post

The DLine seems to be routinely overlooked when it comes to lack of development. Now maybe it’s because of Brian Price or maybe it’s because we’ve been able to disguise our faults there with Ayers in the past, but what’s your take on why we’re so bad there now. That’s the position I can’t really figure out.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

DL

I responded to Bellerophon in his Call to Action thread when he called for Howard to be fired as well. A lot of my argument as to why Howard has done an adequate job also explains why we’ve struggled with the DL unit.

UCLA historically has had problems recruiting the DL, especially the DT position. The only big name guys I can think of are Manu, Kirschke, Jamir, Kenyon, Ball and BP. The problem with this list is 1) list is very short and 2) it’s spread over 30+ years. We’re used to the George Kase, Weldon Forde, Chase Moline’s of the world manning our DL. They had heart but that is not a recipe for success. With the DL, it has been more of a recruiting issue more than anything. The good news is that CRN has increased the talent level but they’re just cubs at this point. I have very high hopes for Marsh, Epenesa, Owa, Graham and Willis. We haven’t had a haul of DL like this since the Kocher/Phillips/Fletcher/Williams class back in 98 I think. I will say this though, if we don’t get the right guy to lead this talent on defense, we’re never going to see their full potentital.
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These are the areas that we’ve had the most challenges for various reasons in that order. I’m not comparing Howard’s situation to Palcic (It’s not even close) but he has had to make do with limited resources. I personally view the DL like the OL in that it’s difficult to determine who will ultimately be players. Thus, I’m not surprised that a high number of the guys you listed have not panned out. You have to factor in the level of talent we were bringing in (not very good; Chinny was a gift to the Shaw IMO) and whether they truly were fit to play on the DL (Keane, Rush, Savage, etc). Lastly, healthy programs don’t play FR guys on both lines unless absolutely necessary or the kid is just out of this world. Even with the recruiting successes under CRN, we still haven’t reached that level yet. Just this fact alone, has caused havoc and is a tremendous disadvantage.

Going into more detail, Howard came into the program in 2006 where he inherited a pretty stable starting DL in Hickman (SR), Harwell (JR), Bear (JR) and a yet to have emerged Davis (JR). I neither give nor take credit away from Howard for Hickman’s success since he was well established. However, you have to give Howard credit for the development of Bruce Davis. I don’t agree that Davis was an elite talent. The guy was your classic tweener whom the staff had no idea what to do with. But, they took the one thing Davis was good at and turned him into all conference DE and a current pro. He reminded me of the undersized VTech DE, Corey Moore who was all of 6 feet but was a terror off the edge utilizing his speed.

The guys behind them were Blake, Dragovic, Lombard, Ward, Jerzy, Rush, Carter, Savage, Keane, Stokes, Moline, etc. who were predominately FR/Soph’s. The only guy that was highly touted was Savage (4 star) but he just got to campus. I’m not married to star ratings but they do count. I had high hopes for Savage (Had visions of Big Daddy Wilkinson) and Rush (thought his wrestling background was going to help him with the pass rush) but for various reasons (position moves & transfers) they never panned out. I had high hopes for Jerzy too but I can’t argue with what he provided. As for the other guys, they were a mixture of CTS settling for players instead of going after the best, undersized projects, legacy rides, etc. I’m ranting now but my point is that after the starters, we had a few guys with potential but the majority of the guys were question marks/projects. I think he did what he could considering guys like Ward, Stokes and Carter became solid contributors although not stars.

In 2007, we got BP and Edison. We all knew that BP had NFL written all over him but you have to give Howard credit for developing him for the NFL in essentially 2 1/2 years since BP couldn’t initially play due to eligibility issues. As for Edison, he was a gamble that hasn’t panned out. Moving to 2008, we brought in Datone and Holmes. Before Datone got hurt, we were looking at an all Pac 10 performer. Like BP, Datone didn’t have the luxury of a RS. I am disappointed in Holmes thus far but you can’t win them all. In 2009, we brought in Tepa and Graham. I think you have to agree that to date, you are satisfied with their development and have high hopes for them, especially Graham.

As I stated before, we still aren’t healthy at this position yet. Our most talented guys have zero or limited experience. It’s still going to take 2 more years because the guys that aren’t UCLA level players have yet to finish their careers and the more talented guys are mostly underclassmen. I don’t think Howard is the best out there but I do believe that he has earned his keep to date.

Not trying to overdo it but just to show you how difficult it is to predict the DL position, look at the guys suc has brought in. I’m going back to 2004 to show what their DL coach had to work with.

2004: Germany, Schweiger, Miles
2005: Ashley, Moore, Spicer
2006: Parsons, Simmons,
2007: Tupou, Harris, Griffen, Reardon
2008: Perry, Casey, Jackson, Armstead, Horton

Except for Jackson and Horton, every single one of these guys were 4/5 star guys. Even with the insane amount of talent that suc brought in on their DL, you can see that most of them except for Griffin and the 2008 guys (too early) failed to live up to their press clippings.

by BlueReign on Oct 24, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Thanks for that. I don’t know how I missed this one in the other thread, but your input is much appreciated.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a question of wins and losses

Like, Achilles’ metaphor, it’s whether or not you’re in the game. Were not, not even close yet Inder CRN.

Now there are losts of excuses, some of which I am very sympathetic, the on juries and defections on the lines, in particular. Yet the main problem on this team offensively, the poor play at quarterback, is largely self-inflicted. These coaches made their choices and chose to be inflexible on developing one qb and one qb only to the detriment of all others even though he was inconsistent throughout and injury prone at worst.

Other coaches have first sting quarterbacks go down, yet somehow they have backups who can come in almost seamlessly even without experience, Oregon and Arizona come to mind in our own conference.

With Brehaut, who is a better passer IMO, If adjustments are made to suit his abilities, like more roll out passes, I think we could be much better the rest of the season, but I’d still like to see what Bell could do in a game.

On defense, it has been so bad I feel like throwing in the towel, and I think that’s how the players play in these routs. Against Oregon we barely even lined up in time. Many times we didn’t. If you focused on the line play sometimes it was like our players were not even there. If you looked closely, some of our linemen never used any kind of technique to get off the block. Once locked up tHey just kept straight ahead never even trying to spin or swim or whatever to get off the block. I’m no expert on such technique, but it seems our defense is just not coached well on fundamentals, period.

Yet a much lighter defensive line for Oregon made some adjustments and filled the gaps against us constantly with players who I don’t think were any betterbthan what we’ve got right now, at least not 47 points better.

It’s coaching, dammit. And I’m really tired of the same excuses, and even more, the acceptance of the unacceptable. Were not even mediocre right now, not in the Pac 10/12.

I believe in accountability. I don’t mean making snap judgments or not giving a man a fair chance. I don’t mean being arbitrary and focusing just on a win loss record. This is the middle of CRN’s third year, and the team has regressed substantially IMO.

I want to see improvement now in the coaching, in the play calling, in the defensive aggressiveness, in the willingness to let our more talented youngsters play, in the passion of our players, like if you can believe it WSU has. They may lose but at least you know they’re playing their tails off and they’re well coached. It makes me sick to say that’s the bar I aspire to now, but that’s just how crappy our team has been coached in our three routs.

Given the talent we have on this team, I expect to finish no worse than 6-6 this year, but that’s not make or break for me. All I demand is that we are competitive in every game, the rest of the year. That’s it. 3-9, I would hate, but if we are competitive in every game and dont get embarrassed, I’m willing to give CRN more time. On the other hand, if it’s more of the same and there really is no improvement in the attitude, the culture, the passion, the competition, then I say, sorry, it’s time to move on.

Why? Because we want to be in the fricking game.

by uclahy on Oct 24, 2010 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Well

It’s hard to evaluate the DL because sometimes linemen are told to stay in their gaps to contain. Although I definitely would like to see us be more aggressive in that area.

by hicalliber on Oct 24, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

UCLA's attitude toward teaching - affecting Football?

First, let me say that much of player development is teaching (certainly not all of it though). Now, I am going to say stuff which sounds critical of UCLA – but it’s not really – and then I’ll tie it into athletics.

UCLA, like many elite universities, has an ambivalent attitude about teaching. How many tenured profs at UCLA were hired for teaching? (In fact, putting much effort into teaching can be unofficially held against anyone trying to get tenure. It makes them look less serious about their scholarship – they could have published a few more papers instead).

As an undergrad I thought that the institutional ambivalence toward teaching was a major rip-off since most of my learning occurred out of the classroom and in study groups. Then I went to grad school and had classmates who went to schools which put more emphasis on teaching – and they needed much more hand holding to get their work done. I recall a prof giving a vague, ill-defined assignment and one of these hand-held students said “I do not understand what I am supposed to do.” and the prof replied “Figuring out what to do is part of the assignment.” UCLA – and the ambivalent teaching – does a great job of preparing students to be self-starters and leaders. I am now thankful for that experience.

That’s great if you want to turn students into self-starters and researchers but if you want to turn athletes into a disciplined team it’ll kill you. I am not sure making players ‘discover it for themselves’ has any up-side – I doubt it’d even make them good coaches. If you don’t know how to teach it doesn’t matter how much time you spend trying to get those ideas across – you will fail. In fact, the opposite of teaching is not leaving them in ignorance, it is leaving them confused so they are worse off afterward. This fits some of what I see in our team.

Although teaching requires certain inherent abilities, many skills can be taught and no matter how good you are, all teachers can improve. Maybe CRN needs to send his staff to a coaching clinic which will give them the tools to make sure the players understand what they want them to do. Even the OC & DC should go – part of leadership is setting examples.

by KnudsenRockne on Oct 24, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Institutional ambivalence toward teaching

Lol, u just reminded me of one of my first Calculus classes at UCLA. Prof was definitely hired for his research and I think taught maybe once a year just to do the minimum. He just put up equation after equation and never even turned around to look at the students. I think I figured out that it wasn’t going to change about 2 classes in and don’t think I went back except for the midterms and final. Just learned by reading the book and an occasional office hour, I think by a TA. Anyways, just wanted to say I know what you are saying… kinda sink or swim in some of those classes.

As for football, definitely agree. The players have limited time on the field and playing with each other during practice. They need to maximize their time. I really am starting to wonder what is actually going on in those practices…

by Go Bruinz on Oct 24, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

You summed up

…my entire college experience in South Campus. Just had to look out for myself…and every class was on a curve so no one really helped one another. Definitely prepared me for “real life.”

by hicalliber on Oct 24, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like my Math 32A and B prof

I had some goofy “I’m writing a book on math and I can’t be bothered with actually teaching” prof in my first two quarters (Fall and Winter ’96). I went to the first two lectures of the year then just stopped showing up. I only went on midterm and finals days.

by LVBruin on Oct 24, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

My 32A prof was just some old guy mailing it in

I had pretty good instructors for the 33 series. Still had crappy grades though.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you remember the names?

It seems like some of the older professors teach the math lower divs the same way they teach the upper divs, even though very different styles are required. Straight lectures make sense for 115A but not for 33A.

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 24, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid I don't remember

He made a great impression obviously. I took an upper div math course that wasn’t as bad as his class, so at least in my experience he was an outlier.

by Tydides on Oct 24, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Math was ok.

I hated the Chem series profs….

by Bruin'96 on Oct 24, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well going through majority of South Campus classes

Felt like watching a Bullough coached defense. :-)

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chapman was the worst

brilliant chemist, but couldn’t teach an ice cube how to melt.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let me go dig up my old transcript and find out who I had :P

I’m impressed you remember their names. I only remember the good ones like Luciegh.

by Bruin'96 on Oct 25, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Might have been the same guy

hehe. I think either 31B or 32A prof i was referring to… don’t remember his name. And it was sometime in the 95-96 year… maybe we were in the same class (for those first 2 days when we actually went).

by Go Bruinz on Oct 24, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a north campus (tv/film) guy and my profs were outstanding...

…. just pointing it out to balance the scales a little. I still use the skills and lessons I was taught at UCLA as an undergrad thirty years later. Props to my profs, they were first rate.

by mwright84 on Oct 25, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Say what ?: "...play-the-less-talented-upperclassmen-over-the-less-talented-younger-guys..."

At least the “less-talented upperclassmen” may have more game experience that the “less-talented younger guys.”

by LeftyBruin on Oct 24, 2010 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Some of the worst teaching goes on in college

I am a high school teacher and work my students hard. They come back and tell me that in college (not just UCLA but others) that they have to get into study groups to learn. Some can’t understand their professors due to very heavy accents. They don’t use the whiteboards, they just lecture. I went to a workshop presented by a prof. from $c and he said that he taught only 6 hours of classes a week and was earning over $160,00 a year plus he had time to do workshops during the week because he had the time and we all paid over $150 for the workshop and there were well over 400 people in the room. Teaching is an art and athletes need good teaching to get better, just like in the classroom. We need to go over things – over and over so that in games, it is second nature what you do because you have practiced it so well over and over in practice.

by Forever a Bruin on Oct 24, 2010 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Teaching is an art

Hear, hear!

It is absurd to think that just because a person is smart enough to unravel the mysteries of the Universe s/he can communicate said mysteries to a motivated novice. Yet, most research universities think that implicitly. It is assumed that if you know something you can effectively transmit it to others.

There is art to teaching (I give teacher workshops, too) as much as there is art to acting or singing. Somehow we don’t appreciate quality in them. We get noble laureates who couldn’t give directions to the bathroom and we get Britney Spears – who is easy on the eyes but requires electronic enhancement. Still there are voice coaches and there are teacher training clinics.

My gut tells me that UCLA FB coaches are hired for what they know (if that) and not how well they can teach it. If all of the coaches knew how to communicate properly we might have a different team today.

by KnudsenRockne on Oct 24, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I hated Coach Conservative (CTD)...

The guy had us competitive against $UC every year I was there (’89-93), even when we had a dearth of talent (John Barnes?) He took us to bowl games and our teams won them, and our players went on to good NFL careers.

Unfortunately, college football has changed a LOT since those days, and CRN hasn’t appeared to figure that out.

By this point (year 3), I would have expected us to be at least somewhat competitive in the Pac-10. Each week, our team comes out looking vanilla, lost, and fearful of the beatdown they are going to receive from the opponent.

I’m with ATV: at some point, you can’t keep pointing to the “young team” excuse.

by DrJay32 on Oct 24, 2010 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I was in school those years

Southern Cal after 89 wasn’t all that great. Donahue’s team underachieved badly after his run in the early 90s. Again this is a topic that has been extensively chronicled during the Dorrell years.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hate to even think this but

Anyone hoping for a dramatic turnaround this season (“miraculous” home wins over UA and OSU, followed by a road split with UW and ASU and then a revenge beating of SUC) is delusional. Maybe it would be possible with our best QB, the guy who has the ability to beat Houston and Texas when healthy, but it’s not gonna happen with an untested and unready rookie QB playing in a system that isn’t right for his specific abilities. Add in the fact that our defense would have to improve substantially for us to even have a prayer against UA and USC (at the very least), and I think the dramatic turnaround possibility is…an IMpossibility. At this point, I think 5-7 is probably the best we can legitimately hope for. And no, that is not acceptable.

So what does this mean for Rick’s future? I hate that I even have to think this, but it must be said: I think that 2011 will have to be Rick’s “Show Me” season. Yes. Just like the old days: http://www.bruinsnation.com/story/2007/5/12/173728/991

We’re too young, you say? Rick needs more time, you say? Shut the hell up, I say. We’ve had three long years of crappiness/mediocrity to deal with. We’ve been promised a more aggressive style of football. We’ve been promised a new mindset of relentless optimism. We’ve been promised (although not as directly as that fake, overblown, not-CRN-endorsed advertisement would suggest, but still) that we would be able to compete with/overcome SUC for the title of best Southern California Football Program. And halfway through Year 3, we’re caught in a rut of Dorrellian game management and pessimistic “just trying to stay in the game” strategy, and we’re still miles behind SUC in terms of on-field talent (having been blown away by them the last two years and likely to be blown away by them again this year). THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

So in my mind, having already conceded this year as lost (5-7 or worse), I believe Rick will have one more chance next year to right the ship. And by “right the ship” I don’t mean “win 6-7 games and go to the freaking Pontiac Dodge Ford Hyundai Poinsettia Eaglebank Bowl vs. the #11 team in the MAC.” I mean, “stay near the top of the Pac-10 standings all year, beat SUC, and go to a major bowl game.” What kills me is that a lot of people will read those expectations and think that I’m setting the bar way too high, when in reality THAT’S WHERE WE SHOULD BE ALREADY, BASED ON WHAT CRN PROMISED US. If we can’t even do that next year, I will officially begin to be critical of CRN. I’m giving him one more year to fulfill his promises, and that’s it. Rick, consider yourself on thin ice.

by ucla139 on Oct 24, 2010 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm holding off for a month or so before I make up my mind

We may have only a one-in-a-million chance to pull out a 6-6 season but, as they say, one-in-a-million chances happen every day in New York City.

by KnudsenRockne on Oct 24, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

If you have already conceded this season as “lost” don’t post against on BN (unless you want to take that comment back). We don’t want quitters in this place. Thanks.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

UCLA football doesn't operate in a vacuum

Yes, there are things that can be controlled within a program, schemes, coaching, preparation, motivation. It’s been a series of highs and lows this year and some things were definitely not acceptable.

But you can’t simply expect a win-loss record just because it’s a certain year in a coach’s tenure. By that logic, after year 3 of any coach’s tenure, a program should be a perennial contender. There is no way to control how deep the Pac-10 is year in and year out. This year happens to be one in which the conference seems very tough from 1-10. My point is that the simple win-loss record is not always indicative of progress. I would take, for lack of a better example, the promise of Cheat Carroll’s first 6-6 season over the deception of CTS’s 10-2 season.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 25, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very true

See my response post for more detail, but you’re right here. During the “prime” CTS years, half of the conference sucked; if he’d had to face the Pac-10 with its current talent level he might not have ever seen a bowl game.

by ucla139 on Oct 25, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kids, learn a lesson from this

Don’t put anything in writing when you’re tired and pissed off, never a good idea :). Re-reading this, and taking the comments into account, I realize that I’ve way over-exaggerated with my rant. The point of it is still the same: I have to say at this point that I am disappointed with Rick’s on-the-field results, and that next year will be the year that he needs to show us that he can make us a Pac-10 title contender. If that does not happen, then I will no longer endorse him as UCLA coach. I still think that, based on his successful recruiting and past coaching success/attitude, that we should already be one of the better and more aggressive teams in the conference. We are not, and that is a problem. But I will still wait a little longer to make my final say in the “Should CRN stay or go?” debate.

My biggest over-exaggeration, of course, was the basic “conceding” of the season. I’m embarrassed that I actually used those words, and further embarrassed that I appeared to accidentally leave my Caps Lock on while whining like I did (facepalm). Of course, the season is not lost yet. Three out of our remaining five games are at home, and after Arizona they will all likely be against unranked teams. Therefore it is extremely possible to still make a bowl game, get some valuable momentum headed into next season and recruiting season, and end our recent slide against SUC. It was dumb of me to make that characterization of Brehaut as well, since we haven’t REALLY seen what he can do yet (as these two starts were really just emergency duty). I don’t plan on us winning more than 5, but I definitely haven’t “conceded” us to just 5 yet.

Please forgive my childish, troll-like rant, and know that it is not indicative of my usual posting style. Going forward, relentless optimism FTW.

by ucla139 on Oct 25, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

No worries

Thanks for this. I don’t think it’s a matter of “relentless optimism.” You should never hold back from offering criticisms of our staff as long as you think through your thoughts. Heck we are doing it all the time. Ultimately, the main reason we were bummed about the post above was that it seemed like you were just giving up on the team. As brutal as Dorrell years were, we still watched every game, hoping for the best. Same concept in play today.

Thanks again for your post. Keep it coming.

by Nestor on Oct 25, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the post - the subject needs to be aired

I am a Neuheisel fan. I like the idea of having a Bruin as our leader. Two of the last three before Coach Neuheisel had that same credential. I’m not so sure it is enough.

Can we not compete because of our admission standards? Maybe the trogans will take anyone, but Furd has standards, and they don’t seem to stay down for very long.

My fear is that we are going to become Kansas or Duke – relevant only in basketball except for the once a decade good football team (or in Duke’s case, once a century.) I don’t want to be Kansas or Duke. I want to be UCLA under Vermeil, or UCLA under Prothro. We didn’t always win, but we were never routinely wiped out.

by Fox 71 on Oct 24, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

if you satisfy basic ncaa clearinghouse standards, the admission standards excuse doesn’t fly.

by mdwstbruin on Oct 24, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And another thing about communication

It goes both ways. A coach needs to be able to communicate to players but also hear them. For example, you need to be able to translate KP’s enthusiastic, never-say-die attitude into a realistic appraisal of his abilities. All true competitors are going to want to go out and compete but a coach needs to be able to see through that.

Also, maybe some of the conservative play calling is due to a lack of confidence in the players which stems from a lack of communication from them. Maybe the coaches do not know whether the players will do they right thing out of a communication gap.

Having an open door and a jar of jelly beans (like a previous HC) does not mean that a coach with truly listen and understand his players. All humans have a tendency to hear what they want – but good leaders need to be able to get around that.

by KnudsenRockne on Oct 24, 2010 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

My theory

I’m not sure if this is a great theory or not, but both RN and NC are offensive coaches. In the past, NC would work for defensive minded coaches, and in a way I think they’re kind of canceling each other out. Maybe one person says one thing and the other something else, or they’re afraid of steeping on each other’s shoes, so they chose to not say anything at all. Maybe that’s why we haven’t shown much growth.

I think what they really need is a very good defensive coach in the staff. Someone able to balance these two offensive minded coaches. What I’ve seen this year is the deployment of the revolver. We’ve hear about the revolver over and over through out the season, and we’ve also seen a fairly horrible defense this season. Yeah, the defense was good for Houston, and Texas, but other than those two games, we got blown out three times, and almost lost to Washington State because we allowed them to score too often.

Additionally, what I’ve seen this season, and it’s clearly becoming a trend in the RN era is the level of injury. I don’t know how his kids are being conditioned or trained, but they’ve been seriously injury prone since day one. Not just that but it seems like they’re less agile and are growing slower. All of these make them more pron to injury. It frankly doesn’t matter if he recruits the top class in the nation of they can’t play because they got injured. Maybe it’s them competing with each other, and channeling their energy wrongly, or maybe the level of practice is not appropriate to their physical level, but losing two QB on day one, to replace them with a 3rd string QB, and then having the 1st string QB injured most of his first season, and now affecting his second season. It’s just not good, and hopefully the trend won’t continue, but if RB gets injured, the program should seriously reassess how they’re training these kids.

by wingsabre on Oct 24, 2010 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Post, Achilles

My thoughts exactly. We just haven’t seen improvement in the play during the course of a season…but the GOOD teams, you do see it. You see player growing, you see game plans improving.

Not here. Not this season. Not last season.

by Markpav44 on Oct 24, 2010 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Another over simplification

I think we established pretty well that there was improvement last season. Last time I checked we won 4 out of our last 5 games and closed out the season with a victory against an extremely well coached Temple team in very difficult circumstances. It is accurate to say that it remains unclear whether we have seen improvement this season. However, it is nonsense to argue there were no improvements last year. Look up old posts that clearly establishes that.

by Nestor on Oct 24, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The revisionist history

is really getting old.

Just because things aren’t going well this year somehow people are revising downward what happened last year while revising upward their expectations for this year. What the hell?

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 25, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the lack of player improvement

It seems like the only guys that play well for us are the guys that are studs from day one. Examples of this in recent memory, and I’m going to use guys on D because our offense has been god awful lately, Rahim, ATV, Brian Price, etc.. These guys stepped onto campus as great players and seemed to be able to stave off our coaches efforts to tone down their skills. Maybe the staff is just hitting and missing a lot with these “top” recruits that we’ve landed in recent classes or we’re just doing a terrible job at coaching these kids. Whatever it is, our mediocrity on the football field isn’t going to change until the problem is fixed.

by jruiz on Oct 24, 2010 7:00 PM PDT reply actions  

OC NC and RN

Somehow, and this is pure speculation, I perceive friction between NC and RN. And I also see that RN is deferring to CN on offensive decisions. Doing this has rendered both men less than stellar in play calling, strategy, and results. Both are compromising their best efforts in an effort to “get along”. I believe that both are competent, but together, they do not mix.

Unlike Homer Smith of long ago, who complimented Terry Donahue’s lack of offensive insights, with NC and RN, it is perhaps, too much of the same thing. NC has been helpful and active in recruiting and this has been good for UCLA. However, there appears to be something in the wind that is not right. To believe otherwise, it seems RN is acting like a long term university employee who is going through the motions, and waiting for his next payday, and that is not his nature.
Bill

Mensgym

by Mensgym on Oct 24, 2010 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Great read!

I used to look forward to the Saturday morning pre game shows, sadly now i do my best to avoid them simply because its too painful. Lets hope we can finish strong and get some good mojo going!
I agree the coaching staff hasn’t done a good job developing the young talent we have!

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Oct 24, 2010 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Reading all of this makes me really depressed. Which means it really hit the nail on the head.

I’m more depressed now than I was Thursday night. I do hope the bst for KP, of course, but I just don’t know any more about CRN and his decisions

I was around during the Terry Donahue era. (Indeed, my Dad, a UCLA alum, took me to the Coliseum to see Red Sanders beat U$C in 1954, 34-0.) And while Donahue was too conservative, at least we were competitive then. We don’t seem to be competitive any more. It’s no longer fun.

by BrendonBruin on Oct 24, 2010 11:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Asked this before

Did anyone else see Neuheisel talking into his headset in the 4th quarter of the Oregon game? He was angry and yelling the f word to someone. Anyone know who he was directing that to?

by Forever a Bruin on Oct 25, 2010 5:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm still a believer

Not making any excuses (or maybe I am?) for CRN, I agree he has not “shown” us, yet, in any area other than recruiting. But I do believe it’s too early to start predicting the how or when of his dismissal – that sort of talk blows my mind. The facts are that he inherited a dispirited program, a team of underachieving recruits, and a staff of resentful, in some cases underpaid, assistants. He’s had a key recruit or two bail unexpectedly. And he had the “you better be squeaky clean or we’re coming after you” press negatively reporting on his efforts from the beginning. None of these things on their own is an excuse for the team’s underperformance, but I offer them to put the journey and the discussion about “what next” in context. Since he arrived he’s hired better assistants – Palcic is doing a great job, and ALL of us considered Chow a great hire until the last several games. Bullogh is a negative, but still… CRN significantly improved recruiting, as we’ve all pointed out. And here’s the main point, for me anyway – if KP were healthy, and had been through camp, it’s my belief we’d be looking at an additional win at this point in the season. CRN and Chow clearly thought Prince and the O-Line were suited to the pistol, and built their season on that belief. I believe they were right, and got hammered by the one injury they weren’t prepared to deal with. A UCLA squad with a consistent presence at QB might’ve beaten either KState or Cal, two beatable teams. The pistol has been a major lift to our depleted O-Line. Prince has shown, when moderately healthy, that he knows how to run it. Not saying he’s a world beater, I’m saying he’s the right QB for this system. It’s my opinion that a healthy Prince with a full training camp might’ve taken that offense to a different level than we’re seeing right now. Again, just my opinion, if that had happened, we’d probably have won an additional game, and certainly not been blown out as badly in those we lost (excepting Oregon they would’ve blown us out anyway). A UCLA team that stood at 4-3 right now, that stayed competitive in its losses, would be a UCLA team to have hope in. I know, I know, ifs and buts aren’t suppposed to count in sports – scoreboard, baby – but before people start getting too crazy about what to do next, it’s worth looking closely at the circumstances and considering things like context. In this case, one injured QB has had, again and finally in my opinion, a devastating impact on the season. Things would not have been perfect by any means had Prince been healthy throughout – but they’d be very different. I too have doubted the conservative playcalling, and the questionable rotation of players at times – but I believe these are the actions of a coach on his heels more than he thought he’d be who is falling back on his CTD learned defenses. And despite those negatives, I believe he still has the moxie to turn this program around in the next two years – so i’m still on the Neuheisel bus. GO BRUINS

by mwright84 on Oct 25, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

There's a "return" key

it’s very helpful. You should check it out…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Oct 25, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

That Terry Donahue sure was a terrible coach:

Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl Coaches# AP°

1982 UCLA 10–1–1 5–1–1 1st W Rose 5 5
1983 UCLA 7–4–1 6–1–1 1st W Rose 17 13
1984 UCLA 9–3 5–2 T–3rd W Fiesta 9 10
1985 UCLA 9–2–1 6–2 1st W Rose 7 6
1986 UCLA 8–3–1 5–2–1 T–2nd W Freedom 14 14
1987 UCLA 10–2 7–1 T–1st W Aloha 9 11
1988 UCLA 10–2 6–2 2nd W Cotton 6 6

by Sean P. on Oct 25, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I Liked Donahue

Homer Smith helped him a lot. But, those were good years. GO BRUINS!

by Forever a Bruin on Oct 26, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

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