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UCLA vs. UC Davis Basketball Preview

Tyler Lamb may play more tonight, as long as he can stay away from the Chili Cheese fries.  (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images)

There is reason for concern after Saturday's game. Cal Poly hung in the game for a while and actually scored more than their season average. UCLA is 4-4 but their 4 wins have come over three teams with losing records and the one with a winning record (Pacific) also lost to the team with the most losses (Pepperdine).

Cal Poly is supposed to be a little worse than tonight's opponent UC Davis. UC Davis is 4-5 but 2-5 against D-1 opponents. They play a Princeton style offense and hilariously list their best player 6'8" Joe Hardin as a Guard (They start 4 "guards "and one forward officially). Hardin is a 5th year senior and originally a Notre Dame recruit who transferred. He scored 27 against Cal and is the UC Davis leader in points and rebounds. Another 6'8" guard is  Mark Payne who also is a fifth year senior who leads the team in assists and is second in scoring and rebounding. The starting PG Todd Lowethal is, guess what, a 5th year senior but only averages 1.6 points a game.  Complete UC Davis notes are here.

This is a veteran team that played Cal tough for a while:  "the Aggies lost by just 12 vs. another Pac-10 opponent in Cal, after five ties and four lead changes in the first half."

However, this should not be a close game tonight but then again there is reason for concern that have nothing to do with UC Davis.

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1. UCLA could be playing short handed. Malcolm Lee's knee is still bothering him and Tyler Honeycutt is dinged up. Now two players (especially Tyler Lamb) may be sick or not a 100% tomorrow night:

UCLA Coach Ben Howland was mildly distressed Sunday after freshmen Anthony Stover (left) and Tyler Lamb (right) contracted a case of food poisoning from some late-night chili chicken cheese fries. . . .

The players consumed the fries after the Bruins' 72-61 victory over Cal Poly San Luis Obispo on Saturday night, a celebratory treat the duo soon regretted. Howland said Lamb vomited in his dorm hallway and again during practice Sunday.

Lamb and Stover weren't able to participate as the Bruins watched film and completed a walk-through in advance of their game against UC Davis on Monday at Pauley Pavilion. Howland said he hoped the food poisoning was "a one-day deal" that would allow the freshmen to play against the Aggies.

Assuming Lamb and Stover are available, Howland said he needed to play them more than he did against Cal Poly. Lamb played six minutes after being what Howland described as out of sorts offensively; Stover played a season-low two minutes, mostly because UCLA freshman center Joshua Smith was so dominant against the undersized Mustangs.

2. Speaking of that, what is going on with the playing time? Especially for Lamb and Stover. We are now 8 games into the season and on Saturday CBH was still doing some strange things with the lineup. For example, for the first time all year, Malcolm Lee was playing forward with Anderson and Jones at guard. I realize Anderson was hot but Lee was not.  So why play Lee for the first time at forward? He also basically forgot about Stover. Coupled with his admitted mistake of not playing Carlino against Montana, CBH seems to be confused on his rotation. He discussed this in an interview Sunday:

I've got to keep playing more people. I'm going to play Tyler Lamb more minutes. Last night he was really just out of sorts offensively. He came into the game and drove and got a shot blocked, he didn't read and then he shot the ball early. I think the San Luis Obispo crowd was saying 3, 2, 1 when it was 7, 6, 5, but we need Tyler Lamb because he is a good defender and I think I've got to get Honeycutt more rest so he can really play with a great effort. I'm playing him too many minutes. It's kind of hard to take him out of the game because he's one of our top two rebounders and our best outside shooter. But I think [defensive] effort will increase as we get the minutes divied up better."

Odds are we are going to need Stover and certainly Lamb during the PAC 10. They should be getting some minutes now to get ready.

3. AS CBH sees it our biggest problem so far is our defense. And it is worse than you may think. Montana lost yesterday in overtime to the USF Dons and they only scored 48 points. Cal Poly scored more points against us then their season average. It is not like UCLA is scoring a lot of points in those games either. Our Defense needs work or BYU will destroy us. As CBH said in he same interview last night when asked his biggest concern.

"Defensively, number one. I'm still very concerned about our defense and our ability, and you can just see our youth. . . . I thought our [defensive] effort was really good against Kansas. I thought it was really poor against Montana. Last night, we did some good things, especially in the second half. They shot almost 38 percent."

4. The dreaded CBH games close together factor. CBH is a great game strategist with time as he showed against Kansas but on quick turnarounds he has problems recently. CBH is 1-1 in games on two days or less rest this year after going 2-8 last year. Will that factor into a game against a veteran UC Davis team that runs a Princeton offense?

5. This game is more important than it should be. The PAC 10's RPI is going the way of Tyler Lamb's stomach. This weekend, Washington -- the Pac 10s only ranked team -- lost to unranked Texas A & M.  BYU blew out Arizona. Thus the PAC 10 continues to stink and will almost certainly only get two teams to the big dance. This means UCLA must win out the out of conference schedule including beating BYU this Saturday or else it better win the PAC 10 Tourney.

CBH needs to have his team playing at the Kansas game level this week (especially Saturday) or else it is looking like UCLA may miss the Tourney for the second year in a row, which is not acceptable for UCLA.

Go Bruins!

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#5 can apply to every non-conference game we have remaining

BYU possibly being our last chance at a quality win and the rest being potentially bad losses. CBH should be of the mindset that his job is on the line in the here and now, because further setbacks in this not-young-anymore season will derail it and make it a failure, whether you define it as making the tournament or a set amount of wins. The time is now to start playing with consistency, and rachet up the defensive intensity that was lacking in the first half of the Cal Poly game.

by Tydides on Dec 13, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

RPI

Montana lost to San Francisco last night…ouch

by bruinmagic on Dec 13, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

Gotta win the Pac-10 tournament

It’s really the only way to make sure we get in this year, unless we win the Pac-10 regular season (which sadly and unbelievably may still not be enough).

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 13, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

The winner of the P10 tourney may be the only (auto) invite from P10

Seeing there are ZERO P10 teams ranked in the top 25, I can see an at-large-bid being very tough to get.

by BruinAficionado on Dec 13, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to the Sun Belt!

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 13, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately the writing is on the wall...

This is another “rebuilding year,” plain and simple. You must have good guard play to get deep into March in college basketball. You must play good defense to have any success in Coach Howland’s system. We have neither (and it’s really not even close). C’est la vie.

But in Josh Smith I think we have something to build on. Hopefully Honeycutt stays into 2011-12. Hopefully the team improves it’s defense considerably as the year wears on. Hopefully Norman Powell solves the guard issue enough to get us to the post season next year.

by BruinZen on Dec 13, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully

I won’t have pulled all my hair out by then…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think

the situation is that dire. Yes guard play is a problem, and yes Reeves isn’t playing well. But the entire pac 10 season is ahead of us, and we are playing better than everyone save washington and arizona (not saying much). Point is there is a lot of room for improvement and we need to trust in ben to get it done.

by OswegoBruin on Dec 13, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Well this is the week to find out

Tuneup tonight against (another) Little Sister of the Poor and then maybe the best team we’ll play all year this Saturday. I don’t envy the defender who draws Fredette.

by BruinZen on Dec 13, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

BYU better than 'nova or kansas you think?

I’m not so sure.. they did kill arizona, I guess we’ll see saturday

Lee needs to show why he’s projected over players like fredette though

by realfabfive on Dec 13, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

and...

while the Pac-10 is definitely down again, so are we, so I don’t see a lot of easy wins once conference play begins. Wash St. is 7-1 with a blowout over Gonzaga. USC blew out Texas. Cal blew out New Mexico. Until we beat a single decent team (hasn’t happened since January 21, 2010), I don’t think we have earned the right to say we are playing better than anyone.

by BruinZen on Dec 13, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

We regard to the lineups

I just checked the DVR and found that one of the times when Howland went small (Jones, Anderson, Lee) was to counter a Cal Poly lineup that went 6’3", 6’4", 6’5", 6’5", 6’8". I think CBH was just trying to get some ball pressure on the defensive end and given the size of the Cal Poly lineup, he was afforded the opportunity to go small.

by LVBruin on Dec 13, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

Makes Sense but

Lamb is also a guard. So if Lamb is hurt, foul trouble, etc, I am with you but otherwise it makes some sense to play Lamb at 3 against 3 guards. Especially since Lee is hurting and CBH is concerned about not getting our bench enough minutes.

by DCBruins on Dec 13, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

We actually did go three-guard with Lamb

I may not have mentioned it anywhere but we did have Lamb in with three guard sets a couple of times.

by LVBruin on Dec 13, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but if Lamb is in as the "3rd Guard"

He is really a forward. Because he is a G-F. I thought Saturday was the first time Lee played forward or 3 guard. I realize the difference between 2 and 3 is not that much but it probably mattered a lot to Lamb to NOT be backing up Honeycutt for the first time.

by DCBruins on Dec 13, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

CBH needs to allocate tracking minutes

to one of his assistant coaches… Howland has enough on his plate during the game to be trying to make sure every kid is happy with their PT. Let a coach take note, and point it out once or twice to CBH during a timeout.

In all seriousness, balancing minutes is not just about coddling the kids, it’s about making sure that the team stays fresh and that all player gets the playing time because this team will have injuries, and thus every player needs to be sharp and ready to make an immediate contribution.

by CPOBruin on Dec 13, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I like the Harrick Way

Harrick played 10 in the first half of the non-Conference games. If you were the 9th and 10th man, you were going to play in the first half of those games and your minutes in the second half would be dependient on score and situation, i.e. if it was close you would probably sit.

During the PAC 10 some games you would be dropped from the rotation depending on two factors 1) level of other team and 2) need. Thus for Stover he would not likely play in a PAC 10 game against a good guard heavy team. However, he would play against a team that drew a lot of fouls against bigs and/or if we were favorite (especially at home) in the first half.

That way Stover is more ready if someone goes down and/or if we have two people foul out. Also, I think it helps to know where you stand. It was strange to see Lamb “passed over” Saturday.

Let me add, I am not saying minutes should be exacting. Obviously one should play the hot hand. Just roughly. By that I mean, I would prefer Stover be the backup for Smith in the first half for now. If Smith is on fire, play him more but when he does come out still go to Stover over Lane. If Smith gets in foul trouble, sure play Lane more but otherwise let Stover have a chance in the first half.

by DCBruins on Dec 13, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Lamb and Stover have food poisoning!

Story here

UCLA Coach Ben Howland was mildly distressed Sunday after freshmen Tyler Lamb and Anthony Stover contracted food poisoning from some late-night chili chicken cheese fries.

One certain late night eatery on Gayley immediately came to mind…

by freesia39 on Dec 13, 2010 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

They taste really good

High protein, high fat. H-m-m-m-m.

by peggysue69 on Dec 13, 2010 3:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

is that what the top sports nutritionists recommend?

for all I know, they have them on a high sodium, high fat diet immediately after games, balanced with other things throughout their game day preparation. But in isolation, that particular dish doesn’t sound like something a serious athlete would put in their body.

Then again, the reactions here suggest otherwise…?

by britishbruin on Dec 13, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Truth be told

You are the only one of us who is being reasonable.

The rest of us are just being college students.

by peggysue69 on Dec 13, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't agree with you on that one

As a Freshman and Sophomore in college at UCLA my diet was similarly ahh high carb and protein. A skinny college guy (And Stover needs weight) celebrating with chili fries is a lot better than some alternatives.

by DCBruins on Dec 13, 2010 3:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Stover needs good weight

but if you just add some pounds of fat to his frame, you are improving one weakness while diminishing his athleticism… definitely better than some alternatives though.

by britishbruin on Dec 13, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not like it was Joshua Smith eating them!

I saw him and TH going into CPK after the game.

by Chris09 on Dec 13, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

British, I have question

Do you want them eating tofu? Just asking?

by peggysue69 on Dec 13, 2010 3:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

probably not

as far as I am aware, tofu (and soy products generally) include compounds that mimic the effect of oestrogen, so that probably wouldn’t be good as a staple for a male athlete.

by britishbruin on Dec 13, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Too early to tell

My sense of where we stand now tells us little about where we will stand or fall at the end of February.

I have seen real talent play national championship caliber ball and then eat their lunch against Montana. But these are largely freshman and sophomores and 18 and 19 year olds tend to do that.

Like Coach Howland’s first final 4 squad, we’ll see if the players buy into his program. If they do, we can (have a decent choice to) hang another banner in Pauley. If they don’t and act like they think they are a bunch of talented blue chippers who sometimes know better, then we will have a rebuilding disaster on our hands.

That, in my opinion, is how close all of this is. Victory and bitter defeat in a team sports are based on the slightest of such matters.

Last add. It is in times like this I wish that wise sage Nestor was still here. His sources were the best. Last year, he forecast the wisdom of switching to a zone from a person-to-person defense (political correctness run amok-LOL) and the transfer of the Wares. Nestor would be able to ferret out Coach Howland’s thinking on where we stand and where to get the best chili-chicken-cheese fries in the Village.

Go Bruins!

by peggysue69 on Dec 13, 2010 2:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I am not Nestor but

I don’t see a comparison to CBH first final four team. JF was a leader of that team and was from the start. On offense with the ball in JF’s hand we always had a chance. AA was the example. Incredible D and the scorer. On this team those roles are taken by TH (too content to jack up 3s and disappears at times on offense) and RN (attitude issues and suspect D). The third part Luc and Jones, ah no. The other parts could match up. ML is like CB, good defender who could not make it as a PG. And Hollins improved a lot during the year and was a force in the Tourney, Smith is improving and could/will be better than Hollins on offense.

by DCBruins on Dec 13, 2010 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You are right--this is not the same team

But when that season started, nobody thought we would play monster ball at the end. But my sense of it was that they played team ball at the end because they did what Coach Howland wanted them to do as a team—they all bought into his program.

And you are right that players need to change. My opinion from having watched them is they are immensely talented but they do not always play as a team. To me, it is a team play issue—better outlet passes on the defensive rebounds, crisp passing (and catching) when penetrating the zone. And I may be wrong, it could be we are only slightly talented, our coaches although competent are no longer top of the line, and we can never play consistent ball.

If folks like RN lift their game to the next level which includes consistent team play—we can hurt some big teams when it counts.

Go Bruins!

by peggysue69 on Dec 13, 2010 4:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You are right but that team had two soph leaders

JF was a force on offense (although he made a lot of TOs) from early on and AA was born 40 years old when it came to maturity and his head. Not sure on this teams leaders.

The other guys, especially Hollins, really came on and where surprises.

But that team listened to CBH, will this team?

by DCBruins on Dec 13, 2010 4:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I see signs that they are listening

but they have so many fundamental flaws that they fix one thing, but another thing springs up. I also think that RN reacts very slowly, and is not usually in the “ready” position on defense. He, more than anyone, has to concentrate on being ready all the time on defense, because of his slow reactions.

The also lack lateral quickness, so they can’t make up for mistakes by moving quickly. They have to be ready, and do the right thing, or we give up layups.

by 75NatChamps on Dec 13, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Not ready to give up.

JS is a beast and he will definitely improve as the season progresses. If he improves to the extent that KL did (not meaning that he will become as good as KL, but that he improves by an equal percentage,) he will be a very dominant player.
TH is one of the most talented players in the Pac10, and plays like it most of the time.
RN actually showed some desire to play defense against Cal Poly. (I don’t understand why his shot is being blocked so many more times this year than last, considering that he is stronger and lighter.) CBH may be able to get him to play better D.
ML is a decent defender and rebounder, with very limited offensive skills. He’s a decent puzzle piece.
JA has shown some improvement, and may add some valuable depth and even a little shooting.
ZJ is not as good as I’d hoped, but not as bad as I feared. If he will back off point guards and not allow dribble penetration, he may improve. He is a fearless shooter and has a lot of self confidence.
BL is a very willing and hard working player, who may improve as he gets more experience.
TL looks like a basketball player with proper instincts. He may improve dramatically as time goes on.
Stover can block a few shots and has 5 fouls to give when we need a banger.

We’ve played below our potential, but the talent that we have may improve over time. Turnovers should go down as the team learns to play together and realizes how devastating turnovers are.

I’d be very happy with either the Pac-10 title or the conference championship, because if they are different, I’d put a lot of money on the conference winner getting into the tournament. It would also mean that the team was on a roll, which would have a huge influence on the selection committee. As my grandmother would say “We should be so lucky.”

by 75NatChamps on Dec 13, 2010 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

Good Optimistic Post 75

I enjoy your takes, keep them coming. Two questions for you. What do you think about the team’s recent failures to “push it?” How do you deal with a set offense run by your weakest starter?

by DCBruins on Dec 13, 2010 4:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

All Zeke needs to do is break pressure and make the first pass.

I know you will be sorry you asked.

Zeke has shown flashes of the ability to break pressure, and frequently makes a good entry pass. Inconsistency is his problem. ZJ needs to dribble faster to force the defender to back off. He dribbles at about 75% speed, and I think he has capacity to go a bit faster. He must do it with his head up and be ready to pass when a double team is coming. He is still adjusting to the speed of the Division 1 game. My sense is that he does very well in practice and believes he can play at this level. Still it is hard to say what his upside will be.

Watching Zeke play makes us realize how awesome DC was at the point. Look at DC thrive in the pros. He was truly exceptional.

JA was consistently horrible breaking pressure last year, resulting in ML being moved to the point. Zeke is 50% better than JA was, and JA is about 25% better on ballhandling than he was last year. I’d like to see JA learn to turn his body 90% when dribbling to prevent reach in steals. Zeke has a bad habit of forcing a drive between two dribblers that he needs to fix. Both are fixable, but I imagine CBH has mentioned this, with mixed results.

ZJ has shown the ability to drive to the basket and score, and has a decent midrange jumper. He just needs to cut down on the negatives and he may not be our weakest starter. (ML is such a horrible shooter that he may take the mantle of worst starter before its over. ZJ is competing with RN for that title right now.)

As far as initiating the offense, this isn’t just the passer, its the whole offense. If the cutter waits for the proper pick, and the picker sets a good pick, an entry pass should be easy. The passer should “fake a pass to make a pass” to prevent the passer’s defender to get a hand in the way and make a steal. These are basketball basics that can be learned by anyone. My feeling is that there are so many fundamental mistakes being made by every player, that CBH is trying to fix a hundred things at once, with a very young team who all think they already know how to play the game. Its hilarious, but I think if I had an afternoon just to work on these things, I could help them a great deal, and I don’t know 1/100th of what CBH and his assistants know.

Failure to push it – this relates to where we get rebounds and whether the other team gets back. You push it when its there, and that means the other team has to shoot a low percentage, and the rebound has to come out clean, an outlet pass is made, and we have an advantage in players getting down the court – either 3 on 2, or at wost 3 on 3. When JS is in the game, we are one player down in filling the lane, if someone other than JS gets the rebound so that’s a factor.

We have a rebounding advantage against most team, but we aren’t the quickest team getting out on the break, so that limits the number of fast break opportunities. RN gets a lot of charges also, so he should only get the ball on the break with a clear path to the basket.

Fast break perfection is so down on the list of what needs to be fixed that it doesn’t concern me at all.

Number one is man to man defense. We have to stop dribble penetration and make teams take contested jumpshots. Help defense is secondary, because it requires double teaming, which leaves players open and causes defensive confusion. Teams that can shoot the three get open looks with help defense, unless its perfect. We don’t have AA and LRMAM who were incredibly intelligent defenders who could make the necessary rotations.

I’d have the players back off on defense, and slide laterally or even give ground on the drive, and make the opponent shoot jumpshots.

The next thing that needs work is running the offense, setting picks at the right time in the right location, and making cuts using the picks. This takes pressure off both the passer and the receiver, and ultimately allows us to get the ball into the post.

JS, TH or RN should touch the ball in the low post on every possession. This is the strength of our team and we must learn how to shield the defender and make the entry to the right spot. JA and BL actually did it perfectly one time in the last game. They are obviously working on this.

by 75NatChamps on Dec 13, 2010 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

At the game

Lamb and Stover are both warming up and look fine

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Dec 13, 2010 7:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

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