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3 Kicks in the Pants by a SUC Fan/Friend

I was commiserating with a SUC fan and friend about our seasons when, like an epiphany, the difference between the state of our two programs was all too painfully obvious.  It was a three step kick in the pants.  It was made all the worse because it was absolutely unintended and non-malicious. 

 

By that I mean he's a great guy who would love to see UCLA return to the days when it was the equal of or even the better of SUC.  In fact, as long as both were competing for National Championships he'd be happy to see the two teams go 5-5 against each other in one decade.  Share the wealth in a good way, right?

 

So after the jump, you can read about the three step kick in the pants.



Star-divide

 

In the first kick, he complained that Kiffin should be fired because he was such a lousy coach. 

 

I said, how can you fire a coach that went 8-5 his first year and was competitive in most of his losses?

 

He laughed.  "The stupid schmuck should have been 10-3, at least.  He didn't even play Alan Bradford for six games until he finally let him loose against UCLA and he ran for 235 yards.  And his Dad's defense was terrible all year.  We need to fire his ass and get a real coach because he and his Dad suck!  Too bad SUC didn't lose to UCLA.  Haden would have fired him for sure."

 

[So 8-5 is UNACCEPTABLE.  At UCLA, that would be cause for a celebration.]

 

Then came the second kick.

 

"So it's a big deal to beat UCLA, huh?" I replied.

 

"Unfortunately, no," said he.  "You guys haven't been good for so long that beating you has no meaning right now.  I remember I was so disappointed you lost to Miami after the hurricane and missed out on the National Championship when you were kicking our butt back then.  Someone from the PAC-10 besides us was going to win it all.  It would have been great for the conference and great for our rivalry.

 

"But losing to you guys the way your program is now, that's a different story.  That's firing time."

 

[Wow.  We only matter if they lose to us.]

 

And then came the final and third kick in the pants.

 

"So if Neuheisel got canned who would you pick to replace him?" he asked me.

I thought about it.  "Mmmmmmm.  I don't know all the candidates, but off the top of my head a new, up and coming coach like, say, Brady Hoke at San Diego State.  He sure turned that program around with Al Borges and Rocky Long."

 

"Yeah," he said.  "I like him, too."

 

So I asked him if Kiffin was fired who would he pick to replace him.

 

"Jeff," he said.

 

"Jeff who?" I asked.

 

"Fisher," he replied. 

 

"The Tennessee Titan coach?" said I.  "He'd cost five million dollars."

 

My friend smiled.  "We pay Kiffin over four.  Sounds like a no brainer to me."

 

[I'm praying for a diamond in the rough.  He's talking about buying the best proven commodity like I would buy a sack of potatoes at the supermarket.]

 

Whether Fisher would even come or is available does not matter.  Whether my friend is right about anything doesn't matter.  Whether he's spoiled or not doesn't matter.  Whether we at UCLA can make smart choices and right our ship someday and kick their butt again down the road doesn't matter.

 

The point, which hit me smack in the face out of nowhere because my friend was simply being matter of fact and not spinning or taunting in any way, is that the the differences in expectations and the choices of coaches at private SUC are dramatically different from what we even think about here at public UCLA.  It's a different universe, a different playing field. Not even close.

 

We're clearly in the John Wooden or Joe Paterno world, meaning we're looking for a younger coach who is loyal to our school first, and maybe not the hottest commodity, who will learn and grow and stay with us forever on the relative cheap for decades once he becomes successful.  I think that describes the Dorrell and Neuheisel picks perfectly.

 

It hasn't worked so far, and we're never going to go the SUC route.  So what's the answer?  Stand pat like now or roll the dice quicker with up and comers?

 

I really believe with the right discipline, schemes and coaching, we can beat SUC and get back to make this a real rivalry again, but for now, as usual, it's just wait until next year.

 

What do you think?  Comments?  Suggestions?  Ideas?

 

GO BRUINS!  BEAT SUC!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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I don't have the answer.

I thought UCLA had come up with one with CTSS. Now, I realize that was misplaced faith.

I think we should look for an established coach in a smaller program. Someone like the way Jim Petersen was before Boise State was actually noticed. Someone like Urban Meyer, when he was still Rural Meyer at whatever country school he was at.

Another non-answer would be Jeff Fisher. His coaching skills seem to me to be right there with his pass defense skills (and yes, I’m thinking of Jay Schroeder to Freeman McNeil for the winning TD.) I would be perfectly content for him to take over at just$c* and he might do it because he would no longer be subject to the NFL’s salary cap.

by Fox 71 on Dec 16, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

Do you actually think Kiffin is a good coach?

Two years ago they had 12 wins; this year they could’ve had 7 losses. I really doubt people at UCLA would be celebrating in that situation.

by SuperBruinMan on Dec 16, 2010 7:47 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with you.

And that’s the point. SUC is not and should not be satisfied but in our situation we would kiss the ground for 8-5 this past year. That’s how far apart the chasm is between the state of our football programs right now.

by uclahy on Dec 17, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

HY, you hit the nail on the head
We’re clearly in the John Wooden or Joe Paterno world, meaning we’re looking for a younger coach who is loyal to our school first, and maybe not the hottest commodity, who will learn and grow and stay with us forever on the relative cheap for decades once he becomes successful. I think that describes the Dorrell and Neuheisel picks perfectly.

This has been the way they handle every hire. When it’s a non revenue generating sport, it works. But when it comes to the two big cash cows on campus, it is clearly a failure. that’s why we Lavin, and then Howland. Dorrell and now Neuheisel. Of the 4 coaches, Howland can actually coach and is crazy loyal to UCLA and the program. But, at this rate, we will hire a great coach every couple of generations.

It’s a damn shame, because I love my university and athletic programs, but the administration is destroying the perception of the UCLA brand.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 16, 2010 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

IIRC -- CBH Was Hired After

winning some national coach of the year nominations and awards.

We reached for the stars and got our candidate.

I still think he is the right man for the job.

My support for CRN has diminished.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 17, 2010 4:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Coach Howland

Coach Howland is also the second highest paid state employee in California.
http://www.sacbee.com/statepay/

I can’t imagine UCLA spending an equivalent amount of money (actually, probably considerably more because it’s football) on getting a top-notch and highly reputed fb coach.

by BruinMW on Dec 17, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

He did.

But, he also came cheap and because he loves the school, the history and of course, Coach. My point is that we got lucky in the hire, because he could have easily stayed at Pitt with it’s new basketball arena, and stayed competitive for years as Jamie Dixon has proven.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 17, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Come on Mexi

They can’t win with you! Even getting a big time coach is “lucky”! CBH isn’t exactly cheap, his salary is also supported by Adidas so overall he does ok, not crazy money but still the highest paid state employee…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 17, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

The thing I remember about CBH's hiring

is that he took less money than should be expected from a program of our stature. He took it because this is his dream job. Since then, he has been given a raise, yes; and makes plenty of money. But, I would like to know how his salary compares to some of the other Top Tier coaches out there.

By luck, I mean that we are lucky he is such a devoted fan of Coach, and UCLA.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I see what you mean

I don’t remember what CBH’s compensation is, but I think when you add in the Adidas supplement it is not bad at all.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 17, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure I get your argument

Ben Howland wasn’t an up and coming young coach when he was hired. He was a successful, established head coach. Getting him was actually proof that the AD was willing to search outside the UCLA boundaries for a proven name and shell out the dough to get him.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 17, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

They speak of football as we speak of our basketball

We’re elitist when it comes to our basketball program as $UC is to their football program, it’s always been this way, save for the 80s. Right now I can’t even tag our football team as the “the gutty little bruins,” more like the sucky little bruins, sh*t!

by Angelitos on Dec 17, 2010 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

on CBH

as 66 rightly alludes, CBH won the national coach of the year award in 2001-2 from multiple sources (see wikipedia)

National Coach of the Year: AP, Naismith, USBWA, ESPN Magazine, and The Sporting News.

On football, if we hired Hoke at $1.5-2 mill, along with some of his staff, and $c hired Fisher at $5mill, I guarantee we’d be getting a better value deal, and maybe even a better college coach period. Fisher has proved nothing as a college coach – has never even served as an assistant coach in college – and has never had to recruit. The moral of your story is that $c are blinded by flashy hires; I can support that conclusion.

by britishbruin on Dec 17, 2010 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

I like British Bruin's perspective to my story

As I said, I’m not saying we can’t compete by making smarter coaching decisions, but I do think we govern the basketball and football programs under different standards. That needs to change for the better.

by uclahy on Dec 17, 2010 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

Not surprised by any of your friend's takes.

8-5 and such gets you fired at places with top notch football programs like Florida (7-5 Ron Zook), Miami (7-5 with Randy Shannon), Michigan (9-4 with Lloyd Carr). U$C* obviously expects better.

Of course the city championship game is much ago about nothing right now. Aside from 13-9, UCLA has not put up much of a fight over the last 11 years.

Check the margin of victory during this time:

2000: 3
2001: 27
2002: 31
2003: 25
2004: 3
2005: 47
2006: UCLA by 4
2007: 17
2008: 21
2009: 21
2010: 14

Only 3 of the last eleven years have been competitive. UCLA is SDSU to U$C* right now.

Lastly, it is no secret that UCLA administration tries to do everything on the cheap. The complaints today are the same complaints I heard as a student 20 years ago. UCLA is a public institution. U$C" is private. Many UCLA alums donate money to various different aspects of the school; not just athletics. I would suspect that, at U$C*, most all $ from alums goes toward football.

by orlandobruin on Dec 17, 2010 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

If rumors are to be believed

Donors are not allowed to donate purely to football, but to some general fund, of which the administration gets to allocate funds as it pleases.

If this is true, woe is us.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 17, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You can donate to football

through the UCLA Football Foundation. The don’t market it well at all and I believe it is because of the Pauley renovation. They needed as much money as possible and had a huge push to get people to donate directly to that project. It is available though and we donate to it to help our boys on the field! :)

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Dec 17, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You can donate to football

through the UCLA Football Foundation. The don’t market it well at all and I believe it is because of the Pauley renovation. They needed as much money as possible and had a huge push to get people to donate directly to that project. It is available though and we donate to it to help our boys on the field! :)

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Dec 17, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

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