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Another Take: UCLA's Lost Battle in the Trenches

My take on the game and the cause of our poor record is somewhat different than what most people on Bruins Nation are saying. Of course I fully understand and share in the frustration we are all feeling. I was at the game, and it was a particularly bad experience for me.  Having to deal with the game was bad enough, but on top of that I had to stomach two mindless teenage girls sitting right behind me shrieking for USC the whole game.  I am a season ticket holder and don't know how they got into what I thought was a UCLA section, but it made a bad game even worse.  All in all I'd say it was overall the most miserable experience I have ever had at a football game.  And I had high expectations going into the game.

I don't agree with what has been a frequent theme on this website which is that the reason we lost is because the coaches were too conservative in their play calling as if all we have to do is be more aggressive in our play calling and everything would be fine.  In addition I also don't agree that the problem is that the team played uninspired or were unmotivated.  That just doesn't make sense to me. These are college players in their biggest game of the year against their hated rival, and I'm sure that they wanted to win at least as much as we did and were giving it their all.  Why would they be listless and uninspired in a game like this? So I don't think the problem is one of motivation or attitude. 

What then is my take on this loss?  The biggest factor I saw was that USC's defensive line was stronger than our offensive line.  We still don't have an offensive line that can effectively pass block. That plus lack of consistency and experience at quarterback is I think what has been our downfall.  The idea that we should just open up the offense would make sense if our quarterback had adequate time to throw, but that isn't the case which means a much higher chance of a sack or interception.  If there's one consistent thing over the last three years it's that our quarterback looks rushed and often has to scramble and throw on the run.  Of course inconsistent play by our receivers has added to this problem.

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We need a major improvement in our offensive line, and I think that means better and/or more experienced personnel than we have had the last three years.  Hopefully we will have that next year. Without a good offensive line you're simply not going to have consistency on offense.  I think we are definitely worst in the Pac 10 at pass blocking which explains a lot of why we are the worst passing team in the conference.  Even Washington State's offensive line gives their quarterback much more time to throw than does ours. Our offensive line problems are why we went with the pistol in the first place, but the problem while improved this year is still there.  CRN and CNC always were good offensive coaches, so how did they become so bad? In the past they always had offensive lines that could pass block.  For example when Norm Chow was at BYU and at USC they had great pass blocking.   Is it the coaches fault that the offensive line play is subpar and the players have not been developed enough through good coaching?  That's certainly a real possibility, but I tend to think it's more the personnel they have had to work with. If there is significant improvement in the offensive line next year then I think there will be great improvement in our offense.

Another key factor in the game was that Barkley had lots of time to throw which gave them a real passing threat and good balance in their offense.  Rather than attributing this to our defensive schemes I rather think the main explanation is that they have a superior offensive line that is good in pass blocking.  This was not true just against us.  I've watched some of USC's games, and the pass protection has always been there.  The only problem they have in the passing game is that Barkley throws too many interceptions, but he usually has enough time to throw.  Of course two other important factors in the game were the costly turnovers and penalties.  But overall I think the biggest factor was losing the battle at the line of scrimmage particularly on offense.  

While there is universal dissatisfaction with the team's performance there is a lot of disagreement over what the fate of CRN and CNC should be.  However most people here think CB has got to go.  Yet some of you have just posted that for the most part you thought the defense played great this game especially considering that they had to be on the field so much of the time because of the inept offense.  The defense gave up 21 pt. (since the offense gave up the other 7 pt. on the fumble), and the last touchdown was at the very end of the game.  USC averaged over 30 pt. a game in conference play and scored 35 and 32 pt. on the two best defenses in the conference Stanford and Oregon not to mention 48 on Cal.  Actually our defense has played well enough that we would have won most of our games if we had a proficient offense. Our low scoring offense makes our defense look bad. When teams win games say 38-35 there usually is not much complaining about how bad the defense was to give up 35 points.  On the other hand last week at Arizona St. the defense was truly bad, so it's not like they've been consistently good either.    

It's a given that CRN will be the head coach next year.  Is it a given that CB is out as defensive coordinator?  I don't see that as such an easy call and to some extent it seems a little like scapegoating the defense for the ineptness of the offense.  But I'm not really sure about whether CB should go or stay, and I'd like to hear more of your opinions on that.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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I see what you are saying.

But this is what I was referring to in my post…our culture when it comes to football. We are always figuring out what is acceptable. Defense…eh, they were ok. Coaches…eh, they were ok. Players…eh, they were ok.

Prior to SUC firing Paul Hackett and hiring Pete Carroll, I don’t think the mentality was…eh, Hackett’s ok, give him some more time. I know, SUC cheated to get to the top, but I have to give it to Cheatey Petey, the game would not have been this close if he was coaching last night. We need to look beyond…eh…we’ll get better. If we have problems passing, catching, oline, dline…we have many problems and I, like many, don’t want to take years and years to turn the eh…it’s ok to told you he was going to be good. It’s been 4 years and we still look the same. Yeah, yeah, we did better here, we did better there. In the end, we are still the same if we are not moving up.

How much longer can we recruit players selling them the we are young, we have injuries and we will be better next year? When other schools are saying asking their recruits if they want to be winners. Other schools are telling their star recruits that we already have another player in your position so you will have to “compete” for it…

Bottom line is, if we continue with the same, then we continue to have nothing to sell to our recruits…nothing. Come to UCLA, we have no identity, we might experiment with something new, you might be the missing link to beating SUC, we might be middle of the pack again, we have awesome weather!

by bruin98 on Dec 5, 2010 8:02 AM PST reply actions  

I'm certainly not implying that where we are is acceptable

Of course I agree that our current performance is not anywhere near acceptable. It’s just that I see the problems as being rather specific football problems rather than a general problem in culture or attitude.

I think with a significantly improved offensive line we will have an exponential improvement in our offense. We saw at least the signs of this at Arizona St. If the offensive line is not significantly improved it won’t matter who our coaches are unless over time they can recruit and develop better offensive lineman. But there has been some good talent recruited such as Chris Ward, and we should have some experienced offensive lineman coming back next year. There has been some development at the quarterback position, but it still hasn’t really taken hold yet. The defense has lots of young talent and has played well in at least several of our games this year. I expect them to be significantly better next year. So I think a 7 or 8 win season next year is quite possible especially given a significantly easier schedule than this year.

Getting a new head coach is not a guarantee of anything and is kind of like starting all over again. Every indication was that CRN would be highly successful given that he had already had good success as a proven head coach at Colorado and Washington not to mention the obvious enthusiasm he had for the job. So you just don’t really know if a head coach will work out. I don’t think we’re there yet. Everyone seems to be assuming that next year won’t be any different. I don’t agree with that assessment and think there are good reasons to anticipate that it will be significantly better.

by RogerT on Dec 5, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope you didn't take it that I was attacking you RogerT. I think we both want what will work best.

I guess what I’m saying is there are two school of thoughts here. One is that we got problems that can be fixed. I’m in the school that we keep thinking we can fix them for the last 4 years and we are still the same. We saw signs of many things in the last 4 years. In the end, we are ultimately still the same. We thought Rahim and Ayers were going to be beasts! This year, they have been alright, not where we thought they would be. Our receivers were supposed to fix our offense. If we are fixing one problem but opening another, then our coaches are too near sighted or not thinking ahead.

As far as not knowing what we get with a new coach, I just can’t buy that. Had all the PAC10 schools subscribed to that theory, Oregon wouldn’t be in the championship game. Stanford wouldn’t be in the top 10. I mean, what’s the worst that can happen? Another humiliating season? Another lost to SUC? We’ve been there for the last 4 years…

I think your theory is more thinking with the brain…and probably mine is more thinking with the heart. If that makes sense.

by bruin98 on Dec 5, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

No I didn't think you were attacking me

I didn’t think you were attacking me at all, and in fact you are being more than considerate to even clarify that. You just have a different perspective than I do. CRN will be the coach next season and if our performance is not significantly better than this season I will feel as you do now. I just think there are some specific reasons to think it will be different next year, and don’t see that as some kind of generic false hope but as having some reasonable basis.

by RogerT on Dec 5, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

and I definitely hope you are right

God, I very much hope you are right because this year’s lost was just an empty feeling. Last year, I felt fired up, angry and passionate. This year’s lost, it was just an empty feeling. No anger, no passion, no fire…like I knew we just wouldn’t get over that hump…

by bruin98 on Dec 5, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Bruins Should Sit In Bruin Sections

I blame the alum’s who sell their tickets to trogans for the fact that there are always trogans in section 4.

These are great seats. I thought there was a UCLA exchange so that Bruins could buy those tickets.

In our section, there are people who’ve not attended games in years. In all fairness, if you no longer use your tickets, turn them back in — let other Bruins get them.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 5, 2010 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

not only do I agree.

I think UCLA/UCLA Student Body/SOMEBODY needs to police this. it would be really simple to send someone around with a clipboard and see who is consistently selling tickets, and who is selling tickets to the biggest game of the year. Feed that information into a computer matrix, and next year when they try to renew their season tickets, they get end zone tickets. Like it or not.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 5, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

For those of us who can remember way back when we played in Rose Bowls

it was even worse.

During our two losses to Wisconsin, the Badger fans turned the Rose Bowl into their home field. It was red, all over. Where did they get most of their tickets? From profiteering Bruin season ticket holders.

I was on the Wisconsin faculty at that time — but always a Bruin. I know, for certain, where those tickets came from.

Shame on you Bruins who do not show up to support your team in big games and sell your tickets to the enemy. Shame.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 5, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

RogerT -- I have been where you are all season long

I, too, have thought that the story of our season has been told in terms of the fact that we are not all that talented, we are inexperienced and we are injured.

That tells the physical story.

But, we have to remember — with most of that same talent, early in the season, we played smash mouth football against Houston and Texas — both of them strong physical teams, and the equal or better of sc.

But, yesterday, told a more important story. Rivalry games are where talent is less important and will to win, and the willingness to take chances should be the story line.

We simply did not come to play. We are not without talent — Rahim and Ayers had little impact — that’s a matter of schemes and deployment. We have very talented receivers who all season long played like they were not gifted. And, our most effective running back got lost on the bench. Can you say Manny White?

It’s not just yesterday, it is the fact that we were bad most of the year and showed little improvement.

This game drove home what a terrible season we had. If you cannot bring your best to the sc game — no matter how thin that best — there is a problem.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 5, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

O-line weakness is the crux of our problem...

I agree with your ‘line’ of thinking. All offensive plays, whether run or pass, begins with the effectiveness of the line. If the line breaks down, any run or pass play will be adversely affected. Many here just don’t want to accept that our main weakness is the line. What is curious is that no one seems to be calling for Palcic’s head.

Try this…would an offense do better with a lousy line and the best back in the country or the best line and the worst back in the country. Would you rather have Aikman and a terrible line or a Freshman QB and Oregon’s line.

I’ll venture to guess if we just had Wash. State’s line, we would have been much, much better.

Another point. In football, college football or even the pros, linemen need size and experience. Freshman coming out of high school just don’t have the size. Even guys coming out of college rarely have the necessary size to be first year starters.

Now, contrast that with receiver, running back or even QB, corner backs safeties or even linebackers. It is much more common for those positions to become starters and even nationally recognized players.

What do we have…freshman and (last year’s) second stringers for the most part.

I also agree that even if we were to ‘open the playbook’, ‘get creative’ or whatever , our guys just don’t have the experience or talent (or either) to effectively execute plays on a consistent basis.

If there is position that had an acute lack of talent legacy from the former regime , the line is most glaring to me. I mean, remember when Palcic was trying all those line combinations? That wasn’t because he had an abundance of talent.

by kevb75 on Dec 6, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

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