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Anger…denial…or still just too stunned to put it all together coherently?

 

Needless to say the season did not work out as we had all expected/hoped/prayed…something. I’m pretty sure that this wasn’t how CRN had it all penciled out in his mind. The injury bug, the failure to focus, gel as a team, the jekyl and hyde personality of the whole season. I watched the post game presser several times and really found myself fascinated at first by his failure to explain what happened to Franklin. Once past that I really became cognizant of his tone of voice, his in-ability to maintain eye contact, his posture and body language.

 

Here was a guy who was totally beat down and waiting for the shoe to drop. Although he got his vote of confidence from DG earlier this year…what did that conversation entail? Based on the body language one could suppose it was nothing good when taken in the context of letting a poorly coached $c team push you around and make your own “product” look even more weakly coached.

Star-divide

We started out saying, in what seems like a long ago place, that CRN would get 5 years. Records of 4-6, 7-6 and 4-6 have essentially negated that in my mind…and for many voices here on BN. DG now finds himself in a place he probably didn’t want to go to either…the tempting thought and angst about the need to either act…or possibly be criticized for inaction.

 

The athletic department is profitable. Football is the cash cow for that whole house of cards. Would spending a couple a million dollars more on salaries for coaches really break the bank? I think not. We play in a venue capable of seating nearly 95k for football. Would it be worth several more millions in expenses for coaching/staff if it generated 8, 9, 10 win seasons with 85k fans in the stands every weekend? I think we can afford it.

 

CRN’s coaching life now depends on recruiting. A task which just became measurably harder as a result of the season and this past Saturday nights pushing around at the hands of the criminals…err cheaters…errr…students down the street. Sorry Freudian slip. He also needs to act swiftly to shore up coaching issues, many of which have been discussed here on BN. The longer he delays, the stronger the cries for his own head will become. Right now, based on my feeling about his body language at the presser, he cannot survive the criticism, especially if it rises to some sort of fevered pitch.

 

I don’t know where in the process I am. I am past the anger phase. I don’t really want to hoist CRN’s head on pike right now. But what kind of program have we become or, maybe always have been in the last 10 years?

 

I turned to the Howell NCAA Division IA Football Power ranking. I could not find the 2010 rating…would be very low I suspect. Our ranking by year for the last 10 years ( as an indicator of what the quality of our program is) is

 

2009: .597 (54th)

2008: .423 (91st)

2007: .621 (46th)

2006: .670 (32nd)

2005: .741 (20th)

2004: .650 (30th)

2003: .522 (64th)

2002: .682 (29th)

2001: .702 (22nd)

2000: .629 (38th)

 

What does this mean? The Howell ratings run on a scale from 0 (worst) to 1 (the best) so a score of .5 reflects an average college football team…although keep in mind that the average includes teams from conferences like the MAC and the WAC. The average rating for a team in a so-called automatic-qualifier (AQ) conference, those that are guaranteed placement into a B.C.S. bowl game …is a bit over .6. The average team that appears in a post-season bowl game has a rating slightly over .7. The average rating for one of the 10 teams that appears in one of the five B.C.S.-sponsored bowl game is a little over .8. Finally, the national champion typically has a Howell rating on the order of .9.

Essentially our program has been above .7 is twice…in 2005 (CTS’ 10-2 year) and 2001. This rating system shows that we have been, with some exceptions, primarily an “average” Div IA school over this 10 year period (an barely a bowl qualifier.) But, we have likely not been (if I could find the 2010 figure) an average team for two of the three years CRN has been coach. If you are DG (or CRN) your “era” doesn’t look so good…

I think action is necessary and needs to be quickly, decisively taken.

Otherwise we remain in the phase of mediocrity. We cannot be having this conversation in February…

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Future - my opinion

I know that as a “bleed blue and gold” BRUIN, I am as frustrated with the football program as any one else – but, we need to remember that Rick Neuheisel is one of us! He hates $c just as much as the rest of us and he even had to play them in his career – more hate. I feel we have to let him go out and recruit now and then deal with the problems in our program. I trust that he will make the right decisions. I do believe that he needs to take more control over the offense. Remember, when he came to Westwood, the cupboard was bare. He didn’t have the players that other coaches inherited to continue the program. He has some great recruits coming in and here already. I do wish that he would recruit more athletes out of Orange County. Servite and Mission Viejo High Schools have some of their best players going to $c – just like Barkley did from Mater Dei. I am hoping that he finds the answers. I like Neuheisel.

by Forever a Bruin on Dec 7, 2010 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

Problem with that logic is

We’ve been hearing it for the last 3 years. In 3 years, Our teams should have become markedly better at something. Anything. Given Rick’s reputation for great offenses, and CNC’s proven track record, it should have been smart, innovative offenses. But not only have we failed to progress. We have regressed.

Liking Rick has nothing to do with it. If he cared as much as you claim, or hates SC, he would have done more. His preparation for the game would have shown up in our performance.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 7, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Nuf sed

Jim Harbaugh is 28-21 in his fourth season at Stanford. After going 4-8 and 5-7 in his first two seasons with the Cardinal, he led them to an 8-5 record last year. Right now, Stanford is 11-1 and will play Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl.

Before taking over at Stanford, Harbaugh was 29-6 in three seasons at the University of San Diego.

by charnaw on Dec 7, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm so tired

of everyone pimping Harbaugh. We get it, some programs have turned around quickly and CRN hasn’t done it here. That is not proof that firing him would be a step forward, instead of another one in the wrong direction.

by Chris09 on Dec 7, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody is "pimping" Harbaugh

The analogy between the programs is crystal clear

by charnaw on Dec 7, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

neuheisel has turned it around

He took a .500 program (ignoring Dorrell’s best year) and turned it around into a .333 program (ignoring his best year).

by GoldenGate93 on Dec 7, 2010 7:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ouch

That is yet another damning stat on his resume.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 8, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be so quick

to accuse anyone of getting a graduate degree from $C of having any sort of nonsense allegiance to that athletic department.

Almost everyone who goes to an undergrad with a decent athletic reputation has full allegiences to that school if they themselves like sports. If that person then goes to get an MD or JD or PhD from the rival’s graduate program, they almost never change sides or feel any different. Grad school is school. Nothing more. I’d find it extremely hard to believe that CRN has any warm feelings towards that professional athletic program across town.

by BruinMW on Dec 7, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Thats nice that you think you speak for everyone

I have two graduate degrees (a JD and an MBA) from schools other than my alma mater so please don’t speak for me. I have had 8 UCLA season tickets in Section 3 at the Rose Bowl since 1988 even though I now reside in the Bay Area, and though I bleed blue and gold I do not have negative feelings toward my graduate institutions. I’d find it extremely hard to believe that CRN hates the school from which he earned his JD, which is quite a different experience than most post-graduate endeavors.

by charnaw on Dec 7, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I apologize

It was an unfair generalization, and in no way did I intend to offend you or your post-graduate work. That said, I respectfully disagree regarding Coach Neuheisel and where his allegiances lie. That is all.

by BruinMW on Dec 7, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with BruinMW

Obviously I can’t “speak for everyone” but every one of my friends from UCLA who went on to graduate school (including friends who went to Cal, Washington, Miami, and Michigan) all have some love for their graduate schools, but always pull for UCLA when the Bruins match up against one of those schools (which I think speaks a lot since those are all schools with pretty good athletic programs).

Just my personal experiences, but from that, I am inclined to agree with BruinMW. I think if you go to UCLA for undergrad, that is more likely to be your top team, regardless of what graduate school you go to.

Nocal Bruin’s example, on the other hand, shows that it really depends on the undergrad school. No offense to UCD, but when it comes to sports, they’re no UCLA and it’s not like kids at Davis are bursting with school pride. Just sayin’.

by Bellerophon on Dec 9, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait

Aren’t you doing the exact same thing painting those that went to grad school over there with the same brush that you object to BruinMW using? So it’s not okay for MW to “speak for everyone” but it’s perfectly okay for you to apply your anecdotal experience to CRN, and, hate to break it to you, but a number of people on this site who hate the trogans as much as anyone else? A little consistency, please.

by Tydides on Dec 7, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Well now I feel like kinda a dork

I got my undergraduate degree from UCD and grad degree from UCLA. I went to just about every football and basketball game all 5 years I was at the latter. I still go as often as possible and have been as far away as Indiana to support my Bruins. I’ll admit, if it was UCD vs. UCLA, I’d root for UCD to play well, but knowing it matters more for UCLA to win that game than UCD, would be devastated if the Bruins lost. Anyway, I could go on and on, but I guess my point is that I agree with Tydides, you can’t generalize allegiances in such simple terms.

by Nocal Bruin on Dec 7, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Grad school =/= undergrad

You can go to a place for grad school and have little connection to undergraduate traditions and the teams there.

Plus, some people are easily able to separate the academics of a school from the athletics.

by Westwood Wizard on Dec 7, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That's getting the job done!

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Dec 8, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish that were enough

If being one of us and loving UCLA and hating *$c were all it took, then you, Mexi, or I could be running a successful program. Obviously, there are other things missing.

greg in denver, UCLA guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 7, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

There are many coaches that have not found success at their alma maters Karl Dorrell was a Bruin as well – its an advantage to have gone to school there but I think it is only significant in recruiting (imagine trying to sell UCLA and trying to explain why you yourself picked USC). Rick has proved that he has been able to compete with top programs in the nation in recruiting. However that’s only a small aspect of it.

Off the top of my head I can’t think of any top-10 programs with the HC as an alum. In the Pac-10 I think Neuheisel is the only man who is coaching at the school he went to other than Paul Wulff at WSU and he isn’t doing much better.

I dont think Rick gets fired this offseason. Dorrell got 5 years. If you are an alum you get a lot of chances. I did just read that Dave Wannstedt was out at Pitt, his alma mater, after about 6 years of pretty average teams and him being on the “hot seat” for several of them.

by jtthirtyfour on Dec 7, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

The fact that CTSS is a Bruin and was a great Bruin athlete is meaningless.

CTS was a great Bruin, and caught touchdown passes from his successor. He was an inept coach, obviousl.

CTSS is different. He had a track record which showed some success. Frankly, I don’t know what to make of it. I just know he’s not performing. I used to work at an airline. If a Captain kept landing at the wrong airport, he would get fired. Lawyers who lose cases with consistency usually don’t stay employed, or if the own their own firm, they generally fold and go into selling shoes or something like that.

We have a coach who met all the criteria, and then brought more than the basics to the table. His record as head coach speaks for itself. He has the lowest winning percentage of any head coach since a guy named Cline, who coached the Bruins to a 2-10-3 record in 1922 and 1923. That’s a long time ago, Bruins. And it’s not just losing, it’s the way we’re losing. It’s not a string of one-point losses, where we fight and just come up short. It’s blow-out after blow-out and embarrassment after embarrassment.. It’s selecting assistants whose incompetence is manifest to anyone who watches the games.

I love CTSS the Bruin. I love CTSS the recruiter. I love CTSS optimist and great seller of UCLA to anyone who will listen. I do not love CTSS the coach. There is absolutely no reason to think that next year will be any different than this year. My geezerly self cannot abide another season like the last one. I would dearly love to be wroing, because I was one of those who thought that CTSS was the perfect hire. There are no reasons not to want CTSS to do spectacularly well. I don’t see it happening, unfortunately. I have seen no argument for the retention of CTSS that has caused me to change my mind.

I don’t want to take another flight to Hawaii and end up in Elko, Nevada. Someone explain to me how the past three years has been just bad luck, or bad publicity. We’v had 15 wins in the last three years. Our margin of victory was 36, 25, 22, 20, 19, 18, 14, 14, 10, 9, 4, 3, 3, 3, 1. One third of our wins was by less than a touchdown. Our margin of defeat is a little different in our 22 losses: 59, 47, 35, 28, 28, 25, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 19, 17, 14, 14, 14, 9, 8, 8, 7, 7, 5. Over two thirds of our losses are by two touchdowns or more. The closest we came in any of our losses was five points, and of course there were the blow-outs. How is this trend not going to continue?

I am prepared to say that the CTSS experiment is a failure.

by Fox 71 on Dec 7, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

+1, I'm with ou Fox

I love the guy. When he took over the program and introduced the passion bucket, I instantly embraced it and became a super die hard BRUIN. Perhaps it was because he sold it so hard that now we are so critical of his performance. Regardless, he hasn’t delivered. I still maintain that he lost the confidence of the players. Obviously they are no longer paying attention if he has to pull them aside after plays to chew them out over basic things, IMHO. I am not comparing CRN to Lavin, but I used to always laugh when Lavin would show his players how to box out during timeouts.

I just don’t think CRN is instilling any identity to the program. I’m sure when our injured guys are back, some things will get fixed. I am also cautiously optimistic that other holes in our programs will get fixed as well. Still, even after all of the fixing and patching, I still don’t know how to describe our program. UCLA BRUINS, the offensive powerhouse? UCLA BRUINS, the tough defensive school? Seriously, what 5 star recruit, especially a star QB would want to come to a school that is known for its injuries, being young and always a step behind their hated rivals? Until CRN can tell the team who he expects them to be with a defined identity, it will continue to be more of the same…perhaps a little better if we can fix some problems. However, in the long run, I just don’t know how we can jump from where we are now to out coaching Kelly and Harbaugh. Do you see it happening with CRN?

by bruin98 on Dec 7, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

even during his winning seasons elsewhere,

would you say he was a more effective HC than Kelly and Harbaugh…not pimping them, just that they are the top programs in the PAC10 at the moment.

by bruin98 on Dec 7, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

sadly i have to agree!

I was so excited when CRN got the nod, but the numbers dont lie! The program has regressed.

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Dec 8, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you really saying he is going to get the axe?

I am not clear on this. DG of late seemed to say, “Why shouldn’t he return?” and “He has the team going in a good direction.” I think the last 6 games really damaged recruiting with many players still going to the other guys. I looked at the OC register article about the top 100, and we get only 1. SC 3 or 4.

by 1970 on Dec 7, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

The question is can CRN pull a rabbit out of the hat?

I said at the beginning of the year that CRN would be on the hot seat at the end of the year if the team did not improve. I cared less about the win loss record than what we looked like. The outcome of the season is worse than I had thought was the worst case:

  • Blow out losses
  • Poor, sloppy play that did not improve
  • Undisciplined play (penalties, fumbles etc (I disagree with Jon Gold. Franklin can not keep playing since he can not hold onto the ball. Logan Paulsen should not have kept playing last year because he kept getting penalties).
  • Horrid offense
  • Disgusting defense.
    How can you support a head coach that puts an embarrassing team on the field. EMBARRASSING.

Hot seat did not mean fired (though I wonder how many coaches have made it off the hot seat into something great). CRN has to:
1) Get another great recruiting class
2) Rework his coaching staff
3) Revamp his whole approach to coaching to become a disciplinarian. For the last 3 years the team has not fought hard and just been beaten. The teams have been undisciplined and sloppy. Killed themselves. Losing is one thing. But before CRN I had NEVER left a football game early. But now I find I give up as soon as I see the team (OK the defense) has given up.

I really HOPE that CRN can do 1-3 above. But I dont believe it likely.

And it is not only Harbaugh that turned around his team in the same time that CRN has gone no where. Remember Arkansas replaced their coach the same year and is going to a BCS bowl despite playing SEC competition.

Sorry about any spelling errors.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Dec 7, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

"Beating SC isn't a Matter of Life and Death...

It’s more important than that."…Red Sanders, the only coach to bring us a National Title.

by 1970 on Dec 7, 2010 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

cash cow?

Give us a competitive team that can win 9-10 games and see more tix sales and maybe some greater student interest therefore greater attendance.I love the Rose Bowl but empty seats there and at Pauley piss me off. I was not a backer of CRN when he was hired but said OK if thats what they want lets give him a chance. He has had 3 years and I feel should be given 4 to at least see MAJOR improvements. You can put butts in the seats if you are exciting but with our defense and a conservative offense we are frightening. Injuries play a part but an expressed lack of effective effort should never be tolerated.

by john4justice on Dec 7, 2010 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

spending millions more on salary

is highly unlikely to happen at a time that the university is raising fees and furloughing staff. All the big salary decisions have to be passed by the Regents, and splurging on a high priced head coach would be a PR disaster (even if there is an economic argument that improved performance on the field would earn that money back).

by britishbruin on Dec 7, 2010 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

If only UCLA had something else to offer other than sports ;)

During times when Nobel Laureates have to close their labs due to furloughs, I think that UCLA would be far more screwed if we started paying millions more for coaches.

Let’s keep this in perspective.

by KnudsenRockne on Dec 8, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Give Rick time but with a Caveat....

  I think Rick made a big mistake when he took on the job. First he was basically forced to keep Walker as his DC. The argument at the time was that Walker recruited the incoming class and we didn’t want to lose what recruits we had committed. The down side was that we kept Walker and his deciple the current DC, Bullough.
  Mistake #2 was buying into the fact that Norm Chow was an offensive genius and how can you pass up a chance to have a real certified geniun on your staff. Besides, the Trogies wanted him back and what a coup it was snatching hime from the Trogan.
   As it has played out, CNC is a burned out genius. He has mismanaged our offense and QB development. Our first year went down in flames when we lost our two QB’s almost at the same time. Everbody forgets that KC was recruited by Norm and Rick. They went to Mt. Sac and signed him to a scholie. They must have seen something in him, beside the heart of a Lion, He knocked his brains out for us, literally.
   The excuse has been that we have had to OL and that the cupboard was bear when CRN arrived. I seem to recall that CTS garnered some high ranked recruiting classes. Go back an look it up. I remember asking my son, a writer for MaxPrepsorts.com how our classes were so highly ranked. He said they were typical UCLA type players. Which in his vernacular means they are smart, talented and soft.
   Rick needs to get rid of Chow and Bullogh ASAP. You can’t tell me that hidden in the deepest recesses of his desk, CRN has a short list of names and numbers he can call to fill vacancies on his staff.
  Rick has had three years to settle back into college ball. He’s had a chance to hone his recruiting chops and bs. I think he had things on cruise control with CNC, CDW and CCB. Nows the time to fully take the reins and establish his mark on UCLA football. If not then next year will be time to say "Adios M.Fer!

by Twothphry on Dec 7, 2010 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

btw - we're 4-8 in 2008, 2010

not 4-6. I looked at that record initially and thought, hey, 4-6 is not THAT bad…

by bruinbunz on Dec 7, 2010 5:58 PM PST reply actions  

Mad as Hell -- Take Me to the Promised Land!

Damn it. Being non-competitive for the umpteenth time vs. $UC again this year while those F—ing weasels are dancing around the Rose Bowl taunting (laughing at?) us while their jackass 3-note band is playing some new: “UCLA-Sucks” diddy just pisses me the HELL OFF. I cannot accept the continued imbalance of power. Objectively, $UC dominated us on both sides of the ball, and once the fatal fumble/pick6 occurred, we were DONE/Toast. We’ve got to find the way back to the Promised Land. Poor Cade McNown who was the honorary game Captain was certainly mortified at what he saw. I just know that I was more pissed than ever and my hatred of anything $UC grew even more as they taunted and danced and pranced at our expense. I can’t think straight to offer any “game changer” strategies — but like the 1976 film, network proclaims: “I’m MAD AS HELL and not going to take it anymore!” Bruins, we need a GAME changer, a Paradigm Shift to change the balance of power in Los Angeles. Or, we’ll continue to suffer in ignominy while those bastards @ $UC continue to dance on our grave. Someone. somehow take us to the Promised Land of Milk and Honey and stomping $UC’s malfeasant ASS! Go Bruins! Are better days ahead? How? When? Who?

by SUPER-BRUIN on Dec 7, 2010 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

Great post - sums things up perfectly

One small quibble though – I don’t know that CRNs life depends on recruiting. Yeah we still need a number of positions over the short-term (particularly given our history with injuries), especially QB and both lines, but he’s recruited well since he’s been here. But the pieces are there for him to, at least in theory, win 8-9 next season. The question in my mind is can he? I’ll admit I was pretty excited when he was hired – but Jesus H, he and Chow are just a disaster together. Then there’s CB. I think CRNs life as a coach depends on coaching, for a change. Based on what I’ve seen these past 3 years, I don’t think he can do it. He should be gone after next season.

by Nocal Bruin on Dec 7, 2010 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

For Every Season...

My thought about this is…what is the next most visible aspect of the “cycle”?

CRN has had his shot at the “coaching” part of the 2010 year and it leaves a bad taste in the mouths of many. Recruiting is the next impact moment of the “cycle” and, the begining of the 2011 season. There is some worry, rightly so, that the impression currently left with our potential recruits is not favorable. If CRN has a bad signing day…another potential failure which will be difficult to overcome in future years.

If he acts decisively…revamping his coaching staff aggressively than that is the most recent thing on the minds of high school seniors…it changes the discussion. When you can’t point to a stellar coaching effort, it’s prudent to try and change the focus and the discussion in your favor…

That’s just my thought behind that statement.

by GemCityBruin on Dec 7, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, point well taken

I hope that level of strategery is not lost on CRN – seems like he’s got a firm grasp on the importance of recruiting at least. Being decisive, however … not his strong suit. Sadly, if he doesn’t bring in a good class – and I agree, it’s not gonna get any easier – and then crashes and burns this season, the next guy is really up a creek. And then we turn the clock back to 2008.

by Nocal Bruin on Dec 7, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

No More Cupcakes

I now have my doubts about CRN. I say give him another year for sure. However, I’m wondering if everybody is realizing how much the college football landscape has changed from 10 to 15 years ago. It is insanely more competitive now. Look at the PAC-10, really only 1 dog currently – WAZU. 10 to 15 years ago the middle and lower tier of the conference weren’t much. Now, you can’t take anybody for granted and schools are investing more into the “flagship” sport of their ADs. This is in no way excuses the performance of the Bruins recently and should not deter from setting lofty goals. However, everybody should acknowledge the environment you have to operate in now. The margin for error is slim (i.e. coaching hires, recruiting, etc.). As others have posted, I’m also wondering, why would top tier recruits want to come to UCLA right now? Lastly, I have a feeling that the Embree-Bieniemy duo at CU is going to be a real force to be reckoned with fairly soon (especially on the recruiting trail).

by BigFatDaddy on Dec 7, 2010 8:55 PM PST reply actions  

No, BigFatDaddy

We HEARD this and other justifications regarding Rick so many times. They are tired, compellingly nonsensical, and in so many ways desperate rationale to not sack Rick & Norm as we speak.

Nothing personal about you, my fellow bruin.

It’s just that this is someone who talks better than he coaches. We remember him as that young, brash yet valiant player who started as walk-on but finished his career quarterbacking his Bruin team to an upset victory in Rose Bowl. I honestly thought he was the legitimate heir apparent to Donohue, when UCLA somehow slighted him in favor of Bob Toledo. But we were mighty proud of him still when he coached his Huskies team to Rose Bowl victory years later.

But facts are facts. How is it conceivable for him to become so lame now at his own alma mater when he succeeded elsewhere, warts and all ?

by Htse005 on Dec 7, 2010 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

Face it: UCLA FB has been broken for a while

Look at UCLA’s rankings over the past ten years and look at CRN’s past performance and recall that at Wash & CU Rick inherited intact programs – here it was badly broken. Since Donahue left, UCLA has been in a long slow decline.

I think we need to ask “Is Rick Neuheisel the one who can turn around a decade long slide?”

The skills to rebuild a broken program are not necessarily the same as to coach a good team to greatness. It is entirely possible that Norm Chow’s genius is in making good teams great – not bad teams good.

by KnudsenRockne on Dec 8, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm really not so sure he succeeded

elsewhere as a head coach. He didn’t hang around long enough to provide an adequete sense of his ability as a head coach. If you look at his previous stints it appears he did better with the previous coach’s recruits:

1995 Colorado 10–2 5–2 T–2nd W Cotton 4 5
Colorado Buffaloes (Big 12 Conference) (1996–1998)
1996 Colorado 10–2 7–1 2nd W Holiday 8 8
1997 Colorado 5–6* 3–5* T–4th
1998 Colorado 8–4 4–4 4th W Aloha

2000 Washington 11–1 7–1 T–1st W Rose † 3 3
2001 Washington 8–4 6–2 T–2nd L Holiday 19 19
2002 Washington 7–6 4–4 T–4th L Sun

His four years at CU and three at UW does not give the impression he was anything other than a self promoting mediocre coach. His teams might have improved in future seasons, but we won’t know due to his leaving CU for UW so soon, and UW firing him. CRN might have done well with the Bruins if his hire was directly after Toledo’s firing, but CRN inherited a precarious position with the bare cupboard left for him by CTS than the postion he found himself in replacing better coaches at CU and UW, and that maybe he allowed himself to be exposed as the mediocre coach he appears to be.
If the question of his mediocrity is not addressed by a much improved 2012 season, no question, he should be gone.

by bruinhawk on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Those are interesting trends

and we’ve discussed them a little bit around here before.

I can tell you, from watching it close up, that the thoughts from the CU folks around here are that Neuheisel was a good X’s and O’s guy, but really failed in recruiting linemen. He did get good skill players, but as the O and D lines weakend in his tenure, so did the team’s performance. I’m not sure if the same pattern occurred at UW.

We know the Bruins’ problems on the OL this year with the crazy rearrangement of personnel, but we thought that Neuheisel’s overall recruiting was so good that this concern wouldn’t be an issue. And we certainly haven’t seen the style of X’s and O’s we were expecting. But maybe it really comes down to the OL and QB above all else. Just look at the All Pac-10 honors to see which teams dominated those two positions (HT to VictoryLemonade). hint: it was Stanford and Oregon

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by gbruin on Dec 8, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny how

we would have been thrilled with 8-4 this year

by BruinFanGA on Dec 8, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Bruinhawk, I hear you

But regardless, wouldn’t you at least prefer those stats Rick compiled at CU & UW better than what he does here ? I am not talking about his transgressions that got him dismissed by UW.

by Htse005 on Dec 8, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course I'd prefer to see stats CRN compiled at CU & WU emulated

here, if it means an 8-5 or better season including a must win over SUC in 2011. But again, CTS left him with much less to work with than the coaches he replaced at his previous HC jobs. And I hate to see the general trend toward regression as seen in his overall HC record. I only wish he had been able to be HC at CU or WU for at least 6 seasons to get a better overall perspective of his HC abilities.

And I don’t want to settle for repeated 7-6, 8-5 or 9-4 seasons either. UCLA football should be better than that. How is it possible that we’ve had so few 10 win seasons, and NEVER 11 or more, or finished a season undefeated since 1954?

by bruinhawk on Dec 8, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

For everything, there is a season

I really, really believe it is time for Rick to walk away.

Next year will only get progressively more ugly, difficult because I don’t think players have confidence in their coach anymore. For all his uplifting locker room talks and stirring speeches, Rick is merely an empty suit, a poker player without chips and someone who merely delivers words without punches.

I like him. But I am even more desperate and concerned that he is not who we think he is.

by Htse005 on Dec 7, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

OKAY SO I HAVE BEEN ISSUED A WARNING....

Is it because of my use of curse words?If so i apologize that was just the state i was in at the time and i am still very upset but i could be a little cleaner with the choice of words.If it is because i question our AD and all the coach’s then although i love to come to a site full of fellow BRUIN fans and i am a die hard BRUIN this must not be the place for me. I refuse to sugar coat my frustrations.Again i am sorry for the curse words if that was the problem.PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THAT WAS IT.

by BRUINBEATCH on Dec 7, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

If the following is how you feel
"who gives a crap about the girls sports?"

Then no, this is not the place for you.

by Tydides on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

If you were issued a warning

and I’m assuming they emailed you board here; you should have raised these question by replying to that warning. If you were warned here on BN, you should have raised these question on that thread instead of bringing it up here.

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by MexiBruin on Dec 8, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

watching the pre-$c videos of CRN

before the game, his body language and comments showed me no confidence we would win last Saturday. If you don’t think you are going to win, why be the coach?

after three seasons, I believe as HC he has risen to his level of incompetence. He should stick to being a quarterback coach, not even a OC.

by BC_Bruin on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 PM PST reply actions  

It would be a mistake to fire Neuhiesel and Chow

UCLA has been a second tier team for decades. The last good UCLA team was run by Terry Donahue, quarterbacked by Rick Neuhiesel himself.

UCLA has gone through numerous coaches. Having a revolving door of coaches creates instability in the program that turns off the best recruits.

Rick and Norm have good track records as coaches. Sure, they need a better defensive coach. They need stability and time – not year to year assessments.

UCLA has traditionally had high school and junior college quality players. They have not had the best players in the nation since the Donahue years – just a smattering of NFL quality players.

UCLA’s current crop of players are soft and psychologically troubled. They are undisciplined. They have character problems. They are not hard edged competitive players. Look at how many of the players used drugs this year. That is unthinkable. Look how many were charged with a crime. This is why we lose. We have poor players.

This year, the injury bug seriously impaired our team. When most of your top players are out for the season due to injury or surgery, you don’t survive the expectations. You lose.

I agree that the coaches need to discipline their players better. It is difficult since UCLA is so close to the beach and there is a party in Westwood all the time. USC is in a slum area where you would be fearful of walking out at night. Thus USC’s players don’t get to party like UCLA’s players do. Cal is in a slum area also. Stanford is in a nerd area. There is a problem when right outside the campus are parties galore.

The coaches needs to impose their wills better and discipline the team. They should kick out the bad weeds. They don’t need to on the team.

The coaches need to recruit players who are psychologically winners, who want to win, who will die to win, who are aggressive and competitively driven. We no longer need soft, undisciplined players like we do now.

Football should be life or death to the players. We don’t have that currently.

by jameskatt on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

Yah.

I agree that it has been about a decade since UCLA fielded a truly good team and the attitude of our team is very concerning. I recall when CTS was at the helm there were reports of players joking and laughing on the ride home from losses.

Those kids didn’t have their heads on straight for playing football.

For two years it really looked like CRN was turning this around – that the players were getting serious about it and he was cultivating a culture of champions. Remember last season? In mid season it looked as bleak as this season – but they got the kids’ heads screwed on straight and pounded out enough victories to get a bowl game. No one can say that that was bad coaching.

What happened this year? The players have their heads all wrong so mistakes are inevitable. We say that the coaches should have fixed it but I wonder why they fixed it in 09 but not 10?

by KnudsenRockne on Dec 8, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh...wow

1998 wasn’t a good team?

Our players are psychologically troubled? Can you please elaborate what your background in psychological evaluation is, and what close analysis you are basing this statement on?

USC’s players don’t get to party? That’s just laughable. And if you think Exposition Park and Berkeley are “slum” areas, you’ve clearly never seen true poverty up close. USC isn’t in a great neighborhood, but it’s not a slum.

by Westwood Wizard on Dec 8, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

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