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UCLA Football Recruiting: Setting Up Rick Neuheisel's Stretch Run

All right folks. Time to really buckle up. We have a big basketball game coming up on Thursday but I have to say it is going to be really hard to think about hoops with just two days till national signing day (NSD). In last 24 hours we have already seen some interesting movements concerning some of our remaining targets.

To reset the table IMHO here are the realistic targets as of right now. I am ordering them according to my personal preference:

  • Ricky Heimuli- DT, Salt Lake City, UT (UCLA, BYU, USC, Utah, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington)
  • Owamagbe Odighizuwa- DE, Portland, OR (Nebraska, UCLA, Oregon St.)
  • Hayes Pullard- ATH, Los Angeles, CA (Arizona St., Oregon, UCLA, USC, Washington, Notre Dame)
  • Anthony Jefferson- ATH, Los Angeles, CA (Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Arizona)
  • Jordan Zumwalt- LB, Huntington Beach, CA (Stanford, UCLA, USC)
  • Giovanni Di Poalo- OL, Ventura, CA (USC, UCLA)
  • Dietrich Riley- DB, La Canada, CA (UCLA, USC, Tennessee, Notre Dame, LSU)

I took Shirley out of Ryan's list because I am getting the feeling that if we get Pullard and somehow manage to flip Zumwalt, there just will not be enough scholie to go around for LBers in this class. I also struck Ferguson off the list because haven't heard much about. Of course feel free to disagree if you have information that suggests otherwise.

Now out of this remaining seven, if we manage to get Heimuli, Pullard, and Jefferson, I will be happy considering we are coming at this from a 7 win season (!). However, if CRN manages to get the other guys on that list, he will establish himself as perhaps the most fierce recruiter in the entire Western Region and one of the top-5 in the country. It would be nothing short of amazing.

Yesterday evening we had couple of developments as two of our remaining targets - Jordan Zumwalt and Dietrich Riley - came over to Westwood for an "unofficial visit" following their "official visit" across town. Zumwalt was originally a Stanford commit (in fact he is the highest rated commit on Harbaugh's board) and Riley had committed to the Trojans before opening things up. Meanwhile, rumors are floating that Giovanni decommitted from Southern Cal, which is interesting considering he had just tripped to UCLA. More after the flip.

Star-divide

As of right now we have 20 commitments on our board. It will be interesting to see whether will be able to hold on to Julious Moore given the academic issues around his recruitment. We will know more in next two days perhaps as apparently he canceled his visit to Washington State over the weekend.  The main battle is whether he wants to get his admission requirements fulfilled for UCLA or if he just want to go somewhere else where it'd be much easier to get in (again Moore implied it himself). I hope he takes the route of persevering and join UCLA possibly as a greyshirt.

Similarly we were hearing about Marques Jackson about decommitting in the last minute. Apparently per WeAreSC.com he will stick with UCLA (HT uclaves):

For Jackson, the bottom line was whether or not the USC visit could change his mind about his UCLA commitment. 

"I just wanted feeling how I felt when I was at UCLA," Jackson said, adding that he would be sticking with his decision to sign with the Bruins on Wednesday.  "I'm going to call the 'SC coaches a little later and let them know."

Marquis added that he has "nothing to worry about" with his academics and that he is "handling" his "business in the classroom." Sure hope that is accurate. It would be great to have him as a Bruin.

Meanwhile, couple of articles to pass on concerning couple of our current commitments. People in Virginia are excited to follow the career of our incoming 4 star LB Aramide Olaniyan:

"He's got this dynamic personality. He went out to UCLA for a day and a half, and I called after his visit, and everybody knew him. And they were all, ‘A.O., we love A.O., we want him to come here.' So he's just got that kind of personality that you just love to be around him, he's got a great laugh, huge smile, and he's just special in so many ways."

Olaniyan compares his game to University of Miami linebacker Sean Spence, who was named ACC defensive rookie of the year in 2008, for his speed and passion for the game.

"The biggest thing is just excitement," Alexander (AO's coach Clint Alexander, BN) said. "He plays with such an explosive high motor that you almost can't take your eyes off of him, and he's in the mix almost every play but he's so enthusiastic. So when the play's over, he's in the air jumping up with his teammates and celebrating, but he's really positive, he's not a taunter or an aggravator, he's just 100 percent emotional."

Let's hope AO will have another fellow Nigerian American to team up with to wreak havoc in the Pac-10 offensive backfield. While AO is getting ready to be a Bruin out East, Sealii Epenesa (Chris Roberts is probably having nightmares these days about pronouncing all these names) has been named as three of the best recruits to come out of this year's Hawaii class. That is something special because Sealli didn't emerge in the recruiting scene till his senior season.

I wish we had a little more depth at DT so that he would have the luxury to redshirt and work on his game. However, given our depth chart, it will not be a surprise if he gets into the two deep during Fall camp.

AO and Sealii are not the only future Bruins racking up honors. Looks like Malcolm Jones, Jordon James are among at least two Bruins who have been named as Best In the West by the Long Beach Press Telegram. It sounds like Malcolm and other Bruin recruits are doing their part in filling out rest of this class.

We are all going to be pins and needles over next two days to see how it all shapes up. As I have written already I have never had this much fun following recruiting for UCLA football. The way CRN has set it all up for us, no matter what happens on Wed, he will have UCLA in a win-win situation.

GO BRUINS.

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All Very Interesting Devlopments

I am just so excited for the future of our program!

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Feb 1, 2010 4:23 AM PST reply actions  

Arrgghh...I Mean "Developments"

God, can’t I type today or what?

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Feb 1, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

UCLA Football is relevant again

With the past regime, we ended recruiting season poorly.

RN is relentless. To be in it for so many great players this late and end with a great class is a testament of his passion and vision for this program. Wednesday can’t come soon enough.

by Bruin37 on Feb 1, 2010 5:02 AM PST reply actions  

When it comes to UCLA football I have always been a pesimist, a trait I doubt got from my grandather class of 57. But crn has something special brewing here, it really seems like he is closing hard, and as much as I hate to say it there are two pretty good recruiters across town, but crn seems to be beating them in every head to head battle

by Marine bruin on Feb 1, 2010 5:26 AM PST reply actions  

Recruits

We don’t promise houses, flashy cars, or envelopes full of cash.. just a potential top-10 program and a fan base that’s bursting at the seams to support a competitive football team.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Feb 1, 2010 7:42 AM PST reply actions  

Also

We don’t make our players go through this.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

WTF????

That was…. wow.

GO COLTS!!!!!

by dwdbruin on Feb 1, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

IIRC that’s a “tradition” Lame and Ogre brought to Tennessee from Southern Cal.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

WTF +1

That’s one of the most horrible things I’ve ever seen. Wow.

by Fludrick on Feb 1, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh did you forget this from our friend LSUFreek?

Looks like Peatie herniated himself. Lower intestine seems to be descending into his testicles. Better get that checked out Peatie!

*I* ran over George Tirebiter.

by Bruins102NCAA on Feb 1, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it just me ...

I found it more than demeaning. I found it offensive.

A black man in chains.

Shirtless men.

Am I crazy to link this to the slave auctions?

Will someone talk me down?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 1, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, Steve, it's just some more good-natured hi-jinks by those fun loving White Nation boys

Massa Lame up at de plantation house, he doan let none ob dem slave auctions happen no mo.

by Fox 71 on Feb 1, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel my age

Often, around here, I don’t feel like a Geezer.

But, I think, because we lived through the civil rights movement and it was replete with the imagery of slavery, the thoughtless things that younger people, like lame kitten and the ogre do, really offend me — even though they’d have no understanding why.

Jenny has grown up in a color free world. When we were living in the Palisades, and she was quite young, we’d watch something and she’d say “I’m rooting for the black people”. Of course, during our games it was the blue people. To her, color meant uniforms and nothing else.

So, in one sense, this is a better world.

But, in another, I fear that we’ve lost the vision of what had to be overcome in this country (a job that is yet to be completed) and around the world and she has no sense of the struggle or the satisfaction that it can bring.

Uh. I guess this is off topic in a sports blog — but that picture really pushed my buttons.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 1, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

class of 03

geezer in training and there are many of us that share your perspective on this point. i appreciate you articulating it so eloquently. thanks.

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Feb 1, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

rb bruin as in

Rancho Bernardo in SD? If so I would be classified as a PQ Bruin.

by uclaves on Feb 1, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

nope

redondo beach

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Feb 1, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I lived in Redondo during my last year of law school

Hollywood Riviera — Vista Del Mar.

I absolutely loved it and had I not moved to Boston, I would have stayed their longer.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 1, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey neighbor

I’m in Hermosa; do you watch games at a local bar?

by bru79 on Feb 2, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Giovanni Di Poalo

USC boards are saying he did not qualify academically, meaning 1) Exactly that 2) Sour grapes as he has decommitted and will be a Bruin.

by BruinInDenver on Feb 1, 2010 8:11 AM PST reply actions  

It also says that pigs can fly, there is a rip in the space-time continuum, and the world has come to and end.

All those things must happen simultaneously before a good football player can fail to qualify academically at just$c*.

by Fox 71 on Feb 1, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

seriously

since when does anyone not qualify academically for u$c*? Check this link: http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/faq/admission_standards.html
under the first question about minimum GPA or test scores it states
“There is no minimum requirement or absolute “cutoff” for grades, class rank or test scores. USC evaluates prospective students through an individualized, comprehensive review process that takes these, and many other factors, into account. Regardless, we have found that GPA and standardized test scores are powerful predictors of success at USC, so they do play a significant role during our review process."
So this “academic institution” states plain as day that you don’t even have to have a brain to get in, just bring something (like beef) to the table.

by sponkey21 on Feb 1, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

that is

 a little insulting. and to think that some people consider their academics respectable.

by Captain Leebeard on Feb 1, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

If you ain't got beef, you gotta have money

You know how the song goes – Fight on, for just$C, you pay your fee, get your degree."

by Fox 71 on Feb 1, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Last Year They Ran An Ad Based on This

I kept watching it and thinking WTF, they are bragging that they do not have admission standards?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 1, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

ROFL

You are kidding me. The school of OJ2 and Senora Ross, claiming a football player didn’t “academically qualify” to play for a program led by Kiffin and Ogre?

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Let us not forget Charles White

SC has academic standards, there right down there with the Gators, Seminoles and Hurricanes

by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

That, Westlake, is an un-called for insult to the fine students of Florida, FSU and the U.

I’ll have you know that a reasonably high percentage – somewhere in the 15 to 20 per cent range – can actually spell, which has yet to be established for the brain surgeons (thank, Jim Healy) at just$c*.

by Fox 71 on Feb 1, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't "qualify" ?

Is he TOO smart to go there?

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Feb 1, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

He was probably going to blow the whistle on all their Senora Ross classes

To not qualify academically at SUC is to have academic integrity.

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Scout.com still has Giovanni as a soft verbal

but, Rivals.com no longer lists him as a U$C commit. Rivals has also removed the punter, Matt Dahr, a 4 star prospect who decommitted today (http//usc.scout.com). No doubt the trojies are going to use all of their scholies but it is encouraging to see some of their committed guys jumping ship.

by kkucla on Feb 1, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Really want Owa

He has NFL type tools. I really want to watch him and Graham (whom I’m also high on) terrorize QB’s. I think NSD will be a BIG day for our program.

by BlueReign on Feb 1, 2010 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

Owa, Heimuli and Pullard

I would be absolutely ecstatic if we could somehow pull that trifecta.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Feb 1, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Two days until I can uncross my fingers.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Feb 1, 2010 8:40 AM PST reply actions  

I feel like my 4 year old

Dad how many more days until Santa comes and I can open my presents?

by uclaves on Feb 1, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Prayer is better

Than crossed fingers and chopsticks.

by dwayne1881 on Feb 1, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

but chopsticks are just so much fun!

Ok, I’m going to stay away from religious issues.

NSD is going to be a blast!

by longbordr52 on Feb 1, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

How about

saving the prayers for things that are truly important.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 1, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

of what?

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 1, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

AMEN

All things are possible

by uclaves on Feb 1, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

WTH are you guys talking about??

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 1, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a sports blog so

I will just answer the question. “saving the prayers for things that are truly important.” implies that there is a limit. Sponkey21 just pointed out there are no limits on prayer. Hope this helps.

by uclaves on Feb 1, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Got it

There certainly are no limits. If it works for CBH before a big game, it works for me. I won’t elaborate on what prayer means to me since this is indeed a sports blog (well, it’s often much more!).

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 1, 2010 7:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not qualify??

Trade Tech/SC has admission standards? who knew?

by john4justice on Feb 1, 2010 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

wait

they have an academic department? weird.

by Captain Leebeard on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

A Big Basketball Game?

The most notable part of this post, aside from all the pins and needles over recruiting, is that Nestor thinks we have a big basketball game this week. Is that a note of optimism I detect? Go Bruins.

by 75NatChamps on Feb 1, 2010 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

OWA

Rivals John Talman reports Owamagbe Odighizuwa will announce between Oregon State, Nebraska and UCLA 11:30am PT on Wednesday.

by BruinInDenver on Feb 1, 2010 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

OWA

Who knows what an 18 year old might decide to do, but if a 30 year old OWA could somehow communicate with his 18 year old self, it would go something like " Corvallis, Lincoln or West Los Angeles…WTF is your problem and sign with the Bruins…..

by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Top Ten

while being optimistic about our recruits coming in and last years great haul, do you think it will take more than 1-2 years to be a top ten program or do we need 2-3 years for that?

by bruinbornandraised on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

this will be our third great recruiting year.

Based on Scout anyway.

2008 #10 (that is about right in my view)
2009 # 5 (that is too high, but we did have a top 15 class)
2010 5-15 depending on how things shake out.

The talent is there, unfortunately our schedule next year is brutal, but we really need do well in conference next year.

by silverlakebruin on Feb 1, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

honestly

i think next year will be a decent year, but not a great year. probably 7-5 or 8-4 at best. Year after that, though, with hopefully QB and line becoming a strength, and the skill positions being ready for the primetime, and a strong D… Should be an awesome year.

by Captain Leebeard on Feb 1, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Even with a tough schedule next year

to maintain the momemtum of the program, an 8-4 season has to be the floor. This program has underachived for too long and expectations have to be raised at some point. I don’t want to have to worry about needing an Army win (or some similar set of circumstances) in order for us to get into a bowl.

"UCLA is a special place to call home" - CRN

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

If 4 losses is the floor

Then please explain which 5 games you feel would be unacceptable losses, because right now it seems you’re putting the cart in front of the horse.

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's next season's schedule for your convenience

@ Kansas State
vs Stanford
vs Houston
@ Texas
vs WSU
@ Cal
@ Oregon
vs Arizona
vs OSU
@ Washington
@ Arizona State
vs SUC

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

See that was the problem last year

They didn’t step up and beat anybody (unless you count UT). At some point, you are going to have to step up and win no matter who’s on the field with you. You don’t start with coming up with 8 guaranteed wins, you start with about 5, then you are looking to go 3-4 in the other games. I cannot believe with the talent potential on this team has, it is not doable. Has the past decade of mediocraty allowed us to accept such a defeatist attitude that we can’t mark down KSU, UH, WSU, UW, ASU as wins and go 3-4 in the other 7 games?

"UCLA is a special place to call home" - CRN

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

So you're setting a 8 win minimum

By choosing 5 wins and hoping for the best (punting) on the rest?

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

You're saying it's not doable?

"UCLA is a special place to call home" - CRN

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Quit shifting the burden of proof

You said 8 wins is a “floor”. A minimum. I’m trying to get you to explain logically how you came to the conclusion that we have 8 teams on the schedule that we absolutely should beat. It has nothing to do with whether it’s doable or not. Going undefeated is “doable”. That term doesn’t mean anything in this conversation.

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't say I disagree that 8-4 should be the mark to hit next year.

Here’s games I think we should win:
@KSU
Stanford
Houston
WSU
Arizona
OSU
@ASU
SUC

Those, in my mind, are unacceptable losses next year. Sorry, if Rick can’t beat SUC in year 3, there has to be some grumbling. I know everyone’s also really high on Houston right now as well, but I can see them falling back a little bit next year, and that game is at home.

by CAJason80 on Feb 1, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I struggled with putting the OJans on my list as well

because I do think we should beat them at home next year, and should be part of a mark for a successful season.

"UCLA is a special place to call home" - CRN

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

We should focus on Wed

We have the entire off-season to play this game. Thanks.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course

but I also think managing expectations, and looking at ourselves as a big-time program feeds into Wednesday, and I have no doubt the expectations of this program is part of CRN’s pitch to recruits.

"UCLA is a special place to call home" - CRN

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

But it’s a little ridiculous to talk about what has to be the “floor” for next year without knowing the state of team after spring football. Moreover, we have had this discussion already here on BN. The key for next year will be to strive for a winning record in the Pac-10 season. We should leave it at that for now and wait to see what unfolds on signing day and what we have in spring camp.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Like I was saying before, it’s the cart before the horse. Targets and goals are one thing, but let’s see what WE have before we start talking about minimums and floors. Those things have completely different connotations.

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Unacceptable losses?

I don’t quite like that term. Things happen during the course of a season and in football games, you just never know.

The only easy games we had as far as the teams you just listed were WSU and ASU. And that was with a veteran defense. I don’t disagree with your list, though by your standards, UW should be added it seems.

@KSU will be tough, they will be better than last year and did give us some fits
Houston has their QB back on a prolific offense, it will be tough.
OSU is always well coached.

But yes, in year 3, we should win those other games. I can’t say if 7-5 is acceptable for me because that would depend on which games we have won or lost…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 1, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

As I said last year,

all we need is one measly, cheesy, little win each week. We don’t need two a week (at least I don’t think we do). If we win one a week – just one – that should be enough.

by Fox 71 on Feb 1, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

And

if we just score more points than the other team, we should be fine :P

by captainqtp on Feb 1, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

See, that's what I was saying

8-4 is a fine target to shoot for, I’ve got no problem with that, but if you’re using it as a bare minimum, then you’d better have a lot more games you consider to be in the bank than we currently do. I see a whole bunch of teams on your list that, considering where we were this year, are unquestionably tossups. Language counts, and using terms like “floor” without expanding on the difficulty of the schedule just seems lazy.

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

So you have no issue with saying that 7-5 or 8-4 at best

to which I disagree with, but you have an issue with me saying that 8-4 should be a floor for a successful season? You call that lazy? So I guess I should just buy my Emerald Bowl tickets next year, and be happy about it woohoo, Frisco baby! While we watch a team like Oregon step up and go to the Rose Bowl.

"UCLA is a special place to call home" - CRN

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm saying none of us have the information at hand to determine that yet

Yes, I call it lazy to say that there’s a bare minimum expectation on the season without coming up with more than 5 teams that we absolutely should beat when the minimum set is 8.

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you want to jinx our team?

You do realize the injury issues that often arise in spring camp. Look up the clips from spring camp two freaking years ago. I’d suggest you drop this topic for now and move on. Thanks.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what happens

when you have a ton of amped up Bruin fans in a room about ready to explode. We have been getting fed positive recruiting information on a regular basis and then all of a sudden we enter a dead period. I agree wih Nestor, lets focus on recruiting through Wed and then you can argue about this stuff.

by uclaves on Feb 1, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If there was any year to get a shot at Texas

next year would be that year. Just saying.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Feb 1, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

better than 1997?
The Longhorns struggled with eight turnovers and seven sacks in a humiliating performance that hasn’t been matched in Texas’ modern football history. It was the worst home defeat in Texas history and at the time was the worst loss for a ranked team in the 61-year history of the Associated Press poll.

Ahhh … memories. I’d settle for 6-3 this time around …

by Nocal Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Yeah I’d settle for any W in Austin. I only wrote that because everyone seems to be writing that game off as an automatic loss. And over the last few years, it probably was.

With some of the players they are losing, as well as breaking in a new QB, this may be the year to knock them off. It will be tough, but I just have a feeling.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Feb 1, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m hoping for the best, too, but Texas is one of those teams that doesn’t so much “lose” talent as it does “reload” talent.

That said, UCLA may soon become one of those teams, too, and I wouldn’t mind showing that fact off to the rest of the country in one of college football’s most difficult road environments.

by Wazl on Feb 1, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

Relatively speaking – it may be less brutal than in most previous years. If nothing else your reference to that upcoming game was an excuse to go back and read a few articles about that crazy day. Hard to believe it’s been 13 years.

by Nocal Bruin on Feb 1, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

aspirational expectations and toss-up games

this reads like an ‘aspirational expectation’ to me, or a ‘goal’, if you will (emphasis added)

to maintain the momemtum of the program, an 8-4 season has to be the floor

Sounds like he is saying that to continue to be making progress – rather than just ‘holding steady’ – we need to win 8 games next year.

As to ‘floors’:

mark down KSU, UH, WSU, UW, ASU as wins and go 3-4 in the other 7 games

seems like a reasonable way to talk about a ‘floor’, if you think that the first 5 games are 100% wins, and that each of the other 7 are ‘toss-ups’. (not claiming it is reasonable to allocate those odds; just that is ok to say you should win close to half the number of games that you think are genuinely ‘toss-ups’).

No game is unwinnable or unlosable. To say that you can’t use the word ‘floor’ to describe a situation in which there aren’t 8 guaranteed victories seems to remove the word ‘floor’ from the lexicon. If there were 7 guaranteed wins and 5 tossups, you might think that a successful season means going better than 0-5 in tossup games, and that the floor for a successful season is at least 8 wins. Demanding that anyone using the word ‘floor’ should come up with guaranteed wins to justify it seems to be a straw man argument or, at the very least, crossed wires with the OP about what is being cited as a ‘floor’.

I don’t agree with the OP’s assessment, or that it is sensible to engage in too much discussion of expectations for next season in a thread about recruiting (though didn’t we have a poll about next year’s football expectations already, for snapshot purposes?); just want to preserve the word ‘floor’ for reasonable debate, and to distinguish between what would constitute an acceptable season next year (given talent, schedule etc), and what would constitute a definitively ‘successful’ year next year, to continue the year-on-year improvement and momentum since CRN arrived in Westwood.

by britishbruin on Feb 1, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Please see my comment above

I’d suggest we keep this thread focused on recruiting. We have all off season to hash out “expectations.” Thanks.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool

Believe me … we are going to have long discussions on this … later. :-)

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Not buying it

No explanation or justification as to why said games are tossups or winnable/unwinnable means no credibility. To just say “we should win 50% of x games” isn’t a justification, it’s a guess. A cop-out. I happen to believe that we do better around here when we wait for the facts and evidence to come in and then draw conclusions from there, rather than using a desired outcome to set our standards for us. Maybe when signing day has passed and spring ball has come and gone and we have more data, we will be able to definitively say that this team should win 8 games. Until then, any talk of expectations or floors on what constitutes a successful season are premature.

by Tydides on Feb 1, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

as I said, I don’t agree with his assessment. But as far as I can see, his error isn’t in using the word ‘floor’, it’s in making predictions about next year prematurely without having much to go on; of which many are guilty. But in any case, this is off topic.

by britishbruin on Feb 1, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I have that that Riley

has eliminated USC, and is down to UCLA and LSU. I like, no love, our chances now. Bring on NSD!!!!

by dhuang90 on Feb 1, 2010 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

Has anyone heard about christian thomas we are still on his lists, but I no we don’t need him and I haven’t heard anything

by Marine bruin on Feb 1, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Target

early on but we stopped recruiting him.

by BlueReign on Feb 1, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

"marine bruin"

is that like a badass Bruin, or like an aquatic Bruin? I have conflicting images in my head of Joe Bruin dressed as Rambo and Joe the Mer-Bruin…

by britishbruin on Feb 1, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Great recruiting but....

Without a doubt the most exciting and productive recruiting season in 50 years but next years sucess will still boil down to the play of the QB. Prince has the supporting cast he needs. Now he has to step up and perform. Go Bruins!!!

by timostouts on Feb 1, 2010 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

How I'd rank needs...

Since Nestor mentioned the recruits in what he thought were the highest priorities (his preferences), I thought I’d give my take real quick…

This class already has 4 DTs (1 × 4 star, 3 x 3 star), 3 DEs (1 × 4 star, 2 × 3 star). We are light on DBs (2 × 3 star) and OL (2 × 4 star 1 × 3 star). LB (I’m thinking Barr ends up OLB) we’re fine at provided we land either Zumwalt or Pullard.

For that reason, I’d change the list a little..

1) Owa – not really a NEED but damn, he is so talented, and Jackson is not really a given..
2-3) tied – Jefferson and Riley (Moore won’t be around forever and Dye and Love weren’t amazing last year)
4) Di Poalo – keep those quality Olinemen coming in…
5-6) tied – Zumwalt and Pullard
7) Heimuli – I’d move him just ahead of Di Poalo if Julius Moore continues to have admissions problems.

by captainqtp on Feb 1, 2010 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting way to look at it

That’s pretty interesting way to look at it captain. Shouldn’t we take our overall roster balance into account as well when breaking it down that way? That would be a very interesting exercise as well. I had Riley a little lower because I think we are building solid depth at DB. Jefferson I am feeling good about (again just gut feeling here). Riley will be icing on the cake IMHO.

I just think we can never have enough DTs. That’s why I had Heimuli up top. But your way is def. interesting.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Heimuli is #1 to me

It was critical that CRN come through this year not only because of our depth issues but because this years DT class out west is arguably the deepest that I’ve ever seen. We need Heimuli or the staff will press Epenesa into service although all parties would benefit from him redshirting. Moore will RS even if he sticks and Flowers needs the RS to fill out his frame.

Right now, we’re looking at some combination of Carter/Keane/Edison/Marsh/roster move at DT. Scary to think there is only 1 guy who has proven himself at the collegiate level. And remember, we only return 2 guys from our Front 7 so the DT’s won’t have the luxury of experience around them.

by BlueReign on Feb 1, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Still, Heimuli would make 5 DTs in one class.

Given that only 2 or 3 can typically be on the field at the same time, it seems like an awful lot. Also, it isn’t like any of these DTs are lacking in talent. It is a quite a good group.

I don’t like the pattern we seem to be in at the moment (don’t take this as a complaint about the quality of talent, just the concentration of it). It seems like we are waiting for a position to almost totally empty out and then we recruit our brains out at that spot, and then ignore it again for years (BTW not blaming CRN, he HAD to focus on Oline last season and some other areas got sacrificed). That is why I wanted to emphasize safety recruits now instead of next year. It’d be great to get out of that cycle. Then, let’s get 2 maybe 3 quality DTs every year, instead of 5 at once.

All that said, Heimuli would be awesome to have, but I just wouldn’t put him at the top of the list.

by captainqtp on Feb 1, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree to an extent

I think the point about this being an especially deep class at D Line and the desperate need is important. Also, Heimuli is important because he would give immediate impact, and then go on a mission. This gives the high ceiling guys like Epanesa a year to grow and learn. Epanesa can fill Heimuli’s spot while he is gone, and then Heimuli will be back at least one year longer than Epanesa (provided no NFL departures). Heimuli makes for a short AND long term fix, which is pretty unique.

by sponkey21 on Feb 1, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

We have good depth at Safety with Moore/Love/Dye/McKay/Hilliard and there are other guys on the roster that can be flexed over to this position if need be. Don’t be surprised if a guy like Moutra ends up at Safety (where I think he should have been all along) due to our WR depth. There are even more guys I can think of as well.

On the other hand, we are looking at 2 DE’s converted to DT (Carter & Edison) and a guy that has been flip flopped like Chandler in Keane as the only “experienced” guys. I think your reference to “quite a good group” was regarding the incoming recruits. It is a good group but this group may not hold form and like with all positions, we don’t know who will pan out. I thought the Kocher/Phillips/Fletcher (I think there was one more) class was going to really shore up DT but they never lived up to their press clippings. Next year, we’re looking at Edison (SR), Marsh (Soph), Epenesa (RS FR/Soph), Flowers (RS FR) maybe Moore (RS FR) and whomever we flex over (Chandler/Holmes/Donovan Carter?) and 2011 recruits.

I think CRN is doing the right thing by getting as many guys he can get and letting it play itself out. Like you said, this was the hand CRN was dealt. This year’s strategy of loading up on DT’s is a MUST and you’ll see him continue to recruit this position in order to get the depth and spacing that he would like. I wanted DT’s last year but the talent was not very good out west.

Also, don’t forget CRN is still in the process of revamping the roster and dealing with the recruiting holes left behind by the prior regime.

by BlueReign on Feb 1, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

A kid recrruited as a defensive tackle doesn't always stay at defensive tackle

Actually, that should have been phrased as a question. Are these guys only defensive tackles? Can they be moved. I’m having a geezer moment now, but I recall we had a giant of a guy named Irv Eatman who started on one side of the ball and was really good, then got moved to the other side, and was equally good. I don’t remember if he moved from OT to DT or vice versa. The thing is, maybe we’re looking at athletes who happen to be the size of Mt. Wilson, and envisioning them at some other position.

by Fox 71 on Feb 1, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting thought

Though I’m a sucker for the cliche of “games are won in the trenches”. Can never have enough DL – especially since they frequently rotate to stay fresh. A great pass rush and gap holding/breakthroughs make everyone else on the defense better too. OL are great too, but slightly less of a need since 5 guys play the whole game (no rotation unless injury) and while QBs love time in the pocket, they wont help receivers catch.

That said, I’d rather be hitting hard on the OL, especially given our current state of upheaval (losing XSF for two years, Hasiak up in the air, etc.) DBs I wouldn’t be worried about.

by Magnusblitz on Feb 1, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just looking at the talent

behind Rahim Moore and not seeing a ton (compared to other positions). McKay had good reports last offseason, but that’s it.

by captainqtp on Feb 1, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely need to take roster balance into account

I was keeping that in the back of my mind… but really with 4 DTs we could redshirt two of them and be set for years to come. Another thing to consider though is Heimuli may take a mission putting him back two years (missions are two years?) which would make him like a 2012 recruit…

As far as DB goes, I’d like to give Dye and Love more competition and we need to groom Rahim Moore’s replacement. We don’t have a ton of depth at safety… Mckay, Sermons, Pollard (are they even all safeties?)… am I missing anyone?

by captainqtp on Feb 1, 2010 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

I think McCkay is the only safety in that group

But we also have Dalton Hilliard, who I think will end up at SS.

by Nestor on Feb 1, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m a current UCLA student, and I have to say — I’m thrilled to be here during this exciting time for our football team. I’m a second-year, so I’m hoping CRN can give me an excuse to splurge on tickets to a major bowl game by my fourth.

Anyway, there’s a certain energy surrounding UCLA football right now that I didn’t quite feel last year. (Digression: Which was enormously disappointing. When I came to UCLA, I was expecting that nearly everyone I met would be sports enthusiasts. As I quickly learned, that’s sadly not the case.)

Still, winners get people talking, and CRN looks to have himself a winning class this year.

by Wazl on Feb 1, 2010 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

Hey...

I am looking at scout.com and our football recruiting class now is ranked 15!? Did something happen? I don’t see that anyone new committed?

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Feb 1, 2010 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Scout

updated the rankings.

by BlueReign on Feb 1, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I did see that

on Saturday but the rankings still had us at 17/18. I see they just didn’t update the rankings yet. We will be even higher soon! GO BRUINS!!!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Feb 1, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

well, let the specuation begin

according to Mr. Gold…

UCLA has sealed the deal with a few major guys

by bruin578 on Feb 1, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

I'm a step ahead of Gold

I can’t tell you where I got this, but I know for sure who is going to sign with us (and even better, I know who’s not going to sign with just$c*.) All I can say is look out, because there will be some surprises. I’ll give you the complete list on Thursday.
Boy, do I wish I could tell you this now, but I just have to wait until Thursday. We have sealed the deal with some guys though, for a fact. I’ll tell you Thursday. Or you could buy subscriptions to the publication in which these revelations are going to be listed. Yeah, that’s better. Pay me now to reveal what I’ve learned, and I’ll tell you on Thursday.

by Fox 71 on Feb 2, 2010 4:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm excited

I keep bothering the hubs, asking him if it’s Wednesday yet.

by freesia39 on Feb 1, 2010 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

Me too!

I can’t stop refreshing! LOL! GO BRUINS!!!

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by uclafan11 on Feb 1, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

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