Will Ben Howland Address Issues Concerning UCLA Basketball Assistant Coaches?
At some level, everything that happens within the program is Ben Howland’s responsibility. If three recruiting classes were cratered, it’s on him. If Jerime Anderson failed to put in the work in the off season, it’s on him. If the team can’t shoot free throws, that’s on him. He’s responsible.
But while that’s true, it also has a certain, Truman-esque "the buck stops here" quality. It’s all the head man’s responsibility and that pressure comes with the seven figure pay check.
Within that all encompassing responsibility heaped upon the head man, are certain responsibilities that must be borne by players (past and present and by the assistant coaching staff.
And I think this staff is particularly lacking.
In Pittsburgh, Howland had Jaime Dixon. At UCLA, he thought he’d have Dixon, until Dixon was retained by Pitt and so he brought in Kerry Keating. These two are not just "any" assistant coaches. There were recruiting specialists and that quality made them or someone like them absolutely essential to Howland’s chance of success.
Dixon and Keating had some very similar qualities.
Both were excellent scouts, not only of the obvious, star players, but also of the ninth and tenth grade players who were up and coming. They both had the ability to project where a 15 year old would be in a couple of years. It’s not easy as some 15 year olds are fully formed both physically and skill wise and they stand out. But they aren’t going to get any better. The trick is spotting the baby-faced kid who’s still growing and developing.
After that, you have to know how to form relationship with kids, to lay the groundwork, to make them feel special and wanted. You have to speak their language, keep up with their technology. Dixon and Keating both know how to play that game.
You also need great relationships with the many bird dogs and amateur scouts out there. No one can see every player, great recruiting assistants know how to cultivate relationships with the guys on the ground and also know which scouts know what they’re talking about and which are full of crap. It’s not enough to just subscribe to HoopScoop and hope that Clark Francis knows what he’s talking about.
There are also internal skills that go along with the external skills I’ve mentioned (and I haven’t mentioned them all). Dealing with Howland isn’t easy. He is one of those people who feels he is expert if every facet of coaching, whether he is or isn’t. IMO, Howland is a great coach in practice and he’s very good in games. But he’s not necessarily expert in the recruiting skills and he’s surely not the warm and fuzzy personality that some top coaches are (and we can do another thread on retaining existing talent another time).
Dealing with Howland requires some certain skills. One, you need to have the confidence to go out and start recruiting kids whether Howland wants you to recruit them or not. I’m not saying "offer" because at the end of the day he has to sign off on the offers. I’m not arguing that. But you need to start recruiting kids long before Ben has signed off or even seen them.
Why? Look, we all know Ben is focused only on the next game, on the current season. He is not at all good at planning for the future, of looking down the line. This failure is manifest in our abundance of slow power forwards and mismatched talent. So, someone needs to do the planning for him and sometimes in spite of him.
Then, you need to have the guts and the balls to later convince Howland that he should be recruiting certain guys. You can’t wait until he likes someone, you need to convince him to like certain guys. If you don’t you’ll recruit only the guys with huge reputations that everyone likes and spend an inordinate amount of time on them. You’ll get some, miss on others and end up scrambling in between. So, you need a confident recruiting assistant. Interestingly, I think this guy ends up earning Ben’s trust — he wants someone to stand up to him.
Now, it’s time to name names.
I mostly want to exonerate Donny Daniels. From what I’ve heard, he’s not the greatest scout or recruiter but that’s not really his role. His role is to be Ben’s trusty sidekick and I get that Ben needs that. Ben and Donny are the veterans who can do the main coaching of the team in practice and games.
The recruiting failures, IMO, get mostly laid at the feet of Garson and Duncan. After asking a lot of questions of people who know and who follow this stuff more closely than I do, I’ve concluded that these two lack the vision, the organization and the people skills to effectively recruit players and they lack the guts and balls to direct Howland towards the right recruits, even if they could identify them and form the necessary relationships. Duncan in particular is a disappointment because he was thought to be Oregon’s great recruiter and he was brought in to replace Kerry Keating.
From what I’ve gleaned, these guys lack the foresight to identify and start recruiting the right players and they are unable to stand up to Ben and get him to recruit the right guys. As a result, we spend way too much time recruiting obvious five star players we’re never going to get and we’re always late on the kind of players we’d want if only we weren’t last in line and playing catch-up.
My theme for this off season is to stay on the assistants. Howland does not deserve to be fired and he if he’s on the hot seat, it’s still just warm. But his assistants are sitting their butts on a barbecue grill and I feel he must make at least one change if not two in order to get this mess straightened out.
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Great read, A
Only one quibble, the recruiting failures all belong to Howland. He’s in command, the buck stops here, etc etc. Yeah, the assistants may have failed in evaluating talent, but I’m sure that they didn’t make the scholie offers. Now, as you say, it’s up to Howland to deal with the situation. After all, the assistants didn’t hire themselves and they sure as hell aren’t gonna fire themselves…
Thank You
for the specific insight, A. Your post provides perspective, and it is exceedingly logical.
It certainly must be tempting—and easier—to focus recruiting on the “obvious” targets, rather than beating the bushes (so to speak) for the secret weapons of the future. I also wonder if there wasn’t a tendency to sit back and relax on this critical component of Div 1 basketball…we put all those players into the NBA, we went to three straight Final Fours…maybe they thought the special recruits would “find” us, instead of the other way around?
Love My Bruins
It's a complex formula ...
and I hope that as time goes on this site will continue to explore the different angles.
One thing to keep in mind is that not every top player is a UCLA player and I’m not just referring to academics. Only certain players will thrive under Ben Howland, only certain players will succeed in his system. Same is true for other coaches as well.
Sure, there are guys like Kevin Love who are so good and whose skills are so universally needed that he could play for anyone. But a lot of guys thrive in certain situations under certain conditions. And you have to find those guys and match up with them.
You know, the recruiting part is sometimes the easy part. I mean, when you start to sell the tradition, the school, the city, the competition, the chance to compete at the highest level — you’re going to get good players or at least desired players (who may or may not pan out). The trick is identifying the right guys, finding them early, establishing the relationships prior to making an offer. You need to build trust, recruit the parents, have a good relationship with the high school coach or the AAU coach.
There is a skill to it. Heck, look no further than our football coach if you want to see someone who knows how to do this.
When I was re-reading this post, I thought of the Russell Westbrook recruitment.
Russell Westbrook was a good, local high school player. He had an offer from Wake Forest. This is nothing to belittle: that’s a good school in a good league and it’s the school that produced Chris Paul. Wake Forest may not be Duke or UNC, but it’s a good offer. And Kerry Keating somehow convinced Russell Westbrook to not commit until it looked like Jordan Farmar was going pro.
This PE story tells a version of it. It doesn’t mention Wake Forest, but that’s a school I remember being after Westbrook.
Here is a relevant passage:
Scholarship offers poured in from the likes of Kent State, Creighton and San Diego the summer before his senior year, but former UCLA assistant coach Kerry Keating cajoled Westbrook into waiting until the late signing period in April to make his decision. UCLA rewarded Westbrook’s patience with a scholarship offer in mid-April, days before guards Jordan Farmar and Arron Afflalo declared for the NBA draft.
“The only reason we needed another guard was because Jordan and Arron were playing well enough at that point to get early looks from the NBA,” Keating said. “I had to do a lot of convincing with Russell because it’s hard to tell a kid to wait for something that isn’t definite when he already has something that is.”
not that it diminishes your point
but a minor quibble with the pe.com story is that Afflalo didn’t declare that year.
The other thing I would say is relevant about RW is that he was a late bloomer in high school – and so he wasn’t on the radar of top schools early. If you are a guy whose stock is rising in your senior year, it makes sense not to commit early to whichever school will have you.
by britishbruin on Feb 16, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I guess this begs the question, though
whether at UCLA we should try to keep scholarship flexibility to be able to offer to local kids who have breakout senior years?
by britishbruin on Feb 16, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
That is the Mike Patterson Strategy
I recently read a piece on TCU and Patterson’s take is ….I want to have plenty of ammo left for senior breakouts. So he comes out of the Fall with a very lite verbal list but plenty of flexibility. There are obviously differences between the sports and the processes but I don’t think that is the worst idea in the world.;
You mean Gary ...
but I know who you meant.
The key thing is to have a strategy. Contingency plans. Be forward thinking.
You don’t want to just live day to day.
My big worry
is that even if we dismiss some assistants and get the kind of guys Howland had under Dixon and Keating; it took 3 years of poor recruiting to get us into this mess. It stands to reason that it will take us 3 years to get us out of this mess.
And that’s if we make the right moves and hires. There is no guarantee we will. Even with Howland’s Final Four runs, will UCLA wait that long?
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
It's hard to say
It depends on who those guys, whoever they are, are able to bring in in the next recruiting class. If we can fill the gaps in our lineup with young talent in the mold of a Farmar, Afflalo, Collison, etc, then perhaps there will be patience from the fanbase if there is noticeable improvement on the court. It only took one year for that class to make its impact felt, and two years to jump start the program into elite status. In a way, it’s like wishing for lightning in a bottle, but given what the outlook is right now, Howland is going to need to find some people who can make that happen for him once again or he’s probably going to see the donations dry up.
2 things i said when Keating left...
1) how on earth is a head position at santa clara better than an assistant at UCLA? and 2) uh oh our recruiting is in big trouble.
trust me, i know all about santa clara. my sister went there, found her husband there, i visited there a number of times, even went to a few basketball games up there. my cousin went to lmu and again, i went to a bunch of games there as well, did actually have the privilege of seeing kimble and gathers. my best friend went to pepperdine.
we all know about gonzaga, and portland can find a good coach, and st. mary’s can find patty mills. and looking at the rest of the conference – san diego, san francisco. gonzaga is the only one of these schools where the head job (IMHO) is anywhere near what an assistant position is at UCLA. or unc or duke or kentucky or kansas. i totally would have understood if he left to take the arizona job, but not at santa clara?!
i knew about the RW story and how keating kept him from accepting another offer, and i immediately became concerned about our recruiting. i would love keating back, but i’m skeptical he would want to. why else did he leave to go to santa clara? anybody know salary figures?
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden
this is true
2 mediocre seasons and a definitely a sub .500 one in progress. but is there really a chance KK jumps ship and lands back in westwood? maybe howland’s biggest recruit this year is an assistant coach?
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." --John Wooden
He will not jump back on his own of course
Unless Santa Clara is looking to go in a different direction.
They seem to have a lot of patience with coaches
I’d be shocked if they let him go — given his youth — in anything less than 2 years (if he can’t perform by then).
KK ...
had two job opportunities at the time he left.
He had the SC job and the Long Beach State job.
SC made a larger financial commitment, not only in terms of salary but also in assistant’s salaries and investment in the program. Some believe that Long Beach was the better opportunity. It’s tough to win at SC and they are up against it in that league.
LBSU is a dormant but potentially strong program. If LBSU recruited well in SoCal — mostly by getting the guys who aren’t UCLA or Pac 10 players — they would have a strong team. When LBSU is goo, the Long Beach community supports them. Jerry Tarkanian, Lute Olson and Seth Greenberg all coached at Long Beach State and went on to have great careers (two of them are Hall of Famers).
I don’t Keating personally — chatted with him once or twice. Not sure why he wanted SC, but money talks for most of us (me included).
Agree with part of your analysis
With out a doubt the buck should stop with CBH. He gets all the accolades, praise, and is the face of UCLA BB. With that being said..
All great programs whether it’s sports, government, military all have others who would be able to step in right away. Ucla had that in Jamie Dixon and Kerry Keating whom now themselves are head coaches. CBH was smart enough to spot their talent, offer them a job and teach them how to use their abilities to become “HEAD” coaches. If UCLA wasn’t winning, or CBH wasn’t winning they would both probably be with the coaching staff. When Universities look for possible new coaches, there not looking at the teams who are loosing. Winning is great for a program, but eventually every one wants a piece of the pie. Look at Florida, won two National titles, went 9-7 in conference the following year.
According to Wikipedia there are 347 schools in 32 Division I basketball conferences, at the end of the year there can be only one Champion. I am not saying that there is not room for discussion, but what are we measuring against? Are we saying that no matter what CBH does it will never be enough? I know we are loosing and I can’t stand it either, but I am willing to let CBH have a off year to develop his staff and players. He CAN’T DO EVERY THING!
Well ...
I totally agree that he can’t do everything. That’s why I feel that a large part of the roster woes we have — which are contributing to a difficult season — are the fault of our current assistant coaches.
Did Howland hire them? Yep. Is he responsible ultimately? Yep. Does he need to make at least one change on his staff and bring in a recruiting expert? Probably, yes, we’re still debating that here.
In no way was I suggesting that Keating replace Howland. If Howland left after the season to coach the Clippers, I wouldn’t even bring up his name to replace Howland. But there are guys out there who can really recruit and who would love to work at UCLA. Imagine you’re a recruiting assistant and you’re working at some other school that isn’t UNC or Kansas or Kentucky or a school like that. Wouldn’t you rather ply your expertise at UCLA instead of at some smaller, less renowned program?
For the record, west coast recruiting ties would be nice, but they are overrated. If you’re a coach at UCLA, you have west coast ties the second you introduce yourself. We just need one of those guys who lives to recruit, who loves sitting in the high school, gym, who knows how to tweet and text and do Facebook and get to know a kid’s mother and girlfriend and then knows how to sit in a coaches meeting and say “Ben, we need to recruit this kid, he is exactly what we’re looking for.”
Also
The one person who is led by emotion, and is a laughing stock of the NFL is AL Davis. That’s somebody who fires a coach when a team is loosing. I’m not saying that is the same as this situation. It’s just similar. I can’t think of one team in the NCAA that wins their conference and a championship every year, and never has a down year.
For the record,
Losing is spelled with one “O” Loosing is not a word.
I don’t mean to single you out JayBru, this is just my biggest Internet pet peeve. I see this word all over the internet and it burns my eyes every time I do.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Well, technically ....
“loosing” (or “loosening”) is a word, but it has nothing to do with the verb “to lose.”
I’m with you on having to suffer through mispelled and grammatically deficient posts, however. For me, it really detracts from whatever point the post is trying to make.
Agree completely
I’ve seen this so many times on the internet and I really don’t know how it happens because the root word has one “o”. Furthermore, the people that do this often spell everything else in whatever they’re typing correctly, so the double O sticks out like a sore thumb.
Heh
Try hanging out on various auto forums…. my biggest gripe is people using “breaks” for “brakes”. Anyway, not surprised that UCLA grads have higher standards.
I am a stickler for spelling and grammar
Even when I’m texting someone, I spell the entire word and use punctuation. Which undoubtedly takes 4 times as long to get the message out.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Again where are we making the argument that Howland is not the answer?
Do you want us to point to the exact post where BN advanced an institutional argument that UCLA should fire Howland now?
All we have asserted so far is that Howland should face heat and criticism. There is nothing wrong with that and it is deserved given UCLA is heading towards a losing season, which should never be acceptable at UCLA.
To who? Us?
I think even more than we want the team to win, CBH wants the team to win more. I don’t know of any coach who would put his legacy on the line to lose? I am in agreement CBH has to adapt with the times, but he deserves a break. Every body no matter where you go or what you do is going to always agree on every thing. He deserves a break.
He is getting a break
If he was someone else without a track record of winning Pac-10 titles and Final4s, we would be explicitly demanding his termination upon a losing season in Westwood. We think he should have two years to rebuild from this year’s mess. That is getting a break.
ok, WHO?
Who would win all the time for us? WHO? Who is going to be the next great coach for UCLA?
Steve Lavin was here for 7 season and won 1 pac-10 championship, only 1. and only reached one Elite 8.
Not the time for this discussion
We are not going to discuss any candidates right now. Have made that point very clear few times here on BN. Offering criticisms of Howland doesn’t mean we are discussing replacements. It’s a point we have already made very clearly here on BN.
We have offered detailed posts pointing out problems and often offered solutions. The post above talks about assistants and you seem to hysterically interpret it as us suggesting Keating as a replacement. So take a deep breath and read all the posts before insinuating nonsense like we are asking for Howland’s firing.
If you cannot take the time to read the posts closely here and figure out we talk things out in detail and deliberate over it for a while, then don’t bother participating here. We are not going for a messageboard "feel" here on BN, where everyone can just put up not well thought or uninformed takes without reading closely what is going up on the mainpage.
So again, read our posts carefully before jumping off to hysteric conclusions on what we are asserting. If you can’t then step away and keep lurking a little while longer and take the info. in.
CBH has a well-established, well-earned, and well-proven record of rebuilding programs.
NAU.
Pitt.
UCLA.
No questions in any of those places.
The trick, now, is whether CBH can rebuild one of his own programs. There are some who believe reaching excellence, maintaining excellence, and recapturing excellence are all equally difficult tasks.
That’s what we’re finding out folks.
I do not dobut that CBH CAN do it… but it’s time that he and his staff actually accomplish it.
This actually could be quite fun to watch over time.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
The problem is we really have no clue
Who’s responsible for what failures among the assistants. Our evidence is purely circumstantial and presumptive — and I’ve yet to hear any concrete reporting on what’s really going wrong, and with whom. My only source on the subject has been eating my ear out for the last two years about how nobody else on the staff can stand Scott Garson, and are upset at his increased role. Now, Garson’s eager-beaver, overvocal behavior on the sidelines is not encouraging — it strikes me as a young guy trying to ingratiate himself beyond what he’s worth. Certainly the fact that he came from the video room is not encouraging, but then all young assistants come from somewhere.
I’ve heard nothing about Duncan Scott. But if his role was to be a high-profile recruiter, I don’t think we can completely write him off. He’s been involved in two classes so far — and putting aside evaluation, both those classes involved high profile coups in Holliday, Morgan, and Moser. We’ll see how our next class turns out, but if Duncan’s purpose was to help persuade out of state high-profile talent to come here, he hasn’t been a complete dud (again, putting the major factor of evaluation aside).
So I don’t know. I’m pretty certain I don’t want Garson; he’s young without seeming to have the player-friendly qualities of a youthful coach, with his constant barking, but then again who really knows? Anyone?
next year recruits
further info regarding questionable recruiting….did anyone see what i think i saw in the “great hope” for next year, the washington high school center….shades of michael fey, but worse…far overweight, no offensive moves, slow, etc.etc……what in the wide, wide world of sports are our recruiters seeing? another project ala bobo….there happened to be a really good looking player in the game against smith, a smooth and seemingly intelligent 6’9" rover, terrence jones, but i assume that washington will grab him….we have literally nothing for next year coming in except tyler, and a j.c. transfer…and only 2 players coming back worthy of our progam, reeves and honeycutt…what gives?
Depth, horrible.
+1
Next year is key, Howland and company better be ready to face the music if their recruits lay some eggs again.
Oh boy, you definitely affects my sleeping pattern now
that you told us what you saw in Josh Smith.
Is he really that big and slow ? To echo your sentiments rhetorically, how could it be that they didn’t see what you saw to think that he would be good when in fact his skills may only be 1/4 of Stuart Gray’s, considered one of the all time center flub in Pauley history.
Really, come to think of it, after Jabbar & Walton all those years ago, Pauley rarely saw another decent, above average center, let alone one remotely close to the caliber of those two Pauley icons, until KLove came. Mata & Sidek played valiantly. But then they were in excellent company. Greg Foster is the predecessor to Drew Gordon, much like Kevin Walker is to the erratic bomber from Belgrade.
Yes
Smith needs to lose at least 35-40 pounds for us to have a shot at a decent season next year. That doesn’t happen over night and sure hope the Bruin staff is in touch with him and giving him some guidance on how to do that before he checks into Westwood.
Well, well, well.....
I read that a Mongolian guy somewhere in China stands 7’9", weighs 280 lbs and gaining. If Duncan & company recruits the way they have, perhaps very soon Pauley will see this giant, monolithic Mongoloid effortlessly blocking shots, rebounding, dishing outlet passes etc, all vital skills performed being stationary in one spot directly under the basket.

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