OT: When Does (Billy) Donovan Get the Blame?
You might think they are talking about UCLA if you replace Donovan with Howland, and Florida with UCLA. I find it interesting that the rise of Florida coincided with the rise of UCLA...if we won both our games against them in the tournament we'd have at least one title and another title appearance. I just think it's funny that UF fans are channeling a lot of the same thoughts about their program (although they have been bad for the last two years).
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A little better comparison than UNC
since their conference is also fairly bad this year.
But still, I don’t they should complain. They’ve had 2 friggin National Championships this year! I don’t think any of us on BN would prefer three final four appearances (without having won it all) to two titles. Heck, many of us wouldn’t be half as upset about this season if we had a couple titles under Coach Howland.
So ultimately, there really isn’t another program in this decade from a big-6 conference that can relate to us right now.
just to close the emphasis here
hopefully this works
by britishbruin on Feb 18, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
thank you. I'm bad at this.
I tried emphasizing the one word ‘decade’ and somehow i guess it stuck everybody’s after me on bold. My bad.
by longbordr52 on Feb 18, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
no worries
I find it easiest to highlight the word I want to bold/italicize/etc, and then click bold, or whatever. Each piece of emphasis should look like it has a start point and end point
< strong > before the bolded phrase and
< / strong > after it. [I spaced them out there, there aren’t normally spaces between the characters]
If you just click the Bold button like you would in MS Word and then type, you get the start of the bold but not the end of it… and then for some reason our message board software doesn’t reset it when you finish your post, which is why it affects all posts after yours until someone puts in the < / strong >
by britishbruin on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
I think an NC gives a coach at least another 4 years without the seat getting warm, while a Final Four appearance gives maybe 2. Just my opinion.
Agreed
and I think the Final Four gets you even more than 2 years if you continue to have decent seasons. Most Bruins don’t expect to be in the Final Four every year, but to have winning seasons and tournament appearances is expected. The seat would be a lot cooler if we were on that kind of track this year.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Heck, if Ben had won 2 Championships and we had this exact same season...
1. We’d be calling Ben, Wooden 2.0
2. We’d never question Ben this season, ALL blame would fall on those “derelict” kids
3. We’d be dissecting every conceivable way to NULLIFY or TAKE BACK scholarships to make room for REAL players. lol
Man, I wish we had that problem of How To Get Back On Championship Track!
(Puts a smile on your face, doesn’t it? Well, it does mine!)
Three final fours should get different consideration than one final four, or one championship
It’s proof of sustained, fluke-free success and ability. A lot of less-than-great coaches have won championships. Jim Harrick (aka Tyus Edney). Jim Valvano. Tubby Smith. Gary Williams. Far, far more than have gone to three straight final fours.
We haven’t brought up that list for awhile, given our frustrations with this season, but the back-to-back-to-back final four list is extremely small, especially in the last 30 years. It consists of Izzo, Pitino (I think), and Howland.
If you ask me, it’s not at all clear that Donovan is a better coach than Howland. He had the most talented team, and then the unbelievable luck of all that talent returning for a repeat. He gets much credit for seeing it through, of course, but now he’s in year three in a horrible conference on the verge of missing the tourney (SEC is a little better this year; last year they got only two births, and Florida missed despite a 19-2 start). He made the Final Four in 1999 or so, and didn’t return for seven years.
Harrick
If he didn’t commit coaching suicide, I wonder how well we would have done with Harrick. I know probably severe sanctions, but that aside….
I've thought a lot about Harrick recently.
Not as a replacement for Howland, that would be absurd with all the trouble he got into after he was asked to leave. But, he would make a great elder statesmen within the program. He would bring a wealth of experience to the table upon which Howland could lean. We all know CBH is a great surgeon that needs better bedside manners. Could Harrick be the Yang to Howland’s Ying? We’ve talked a lot recently about replacing an assistant with a better recruiter. Can you imagine fielding calls from a guy that wears his own ring? And, he’s not even the head coach? If I were a recruit, that is a call I would definitely take.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
aside from winning nc's
a major difference is that there really wasn’t much of a basketball tradition at florida before billy donovan, that is my impression at least. this is far from the case at ucla with howland.
Across The Face
another difference is zero academic standards
The list of guys we had to pass on is already quite substantial.
When I posted my initial remark
it looked fine, too. Only the subject and the word “bold” (intentional) were bold. Some time later, though, I revisited the thread and my remark had become all bold, along with everyone else’s.
This post appears fine, for the moment.
suspect it is longbordr52's post above
where he bolded ‘decade’, but it looks like the emphasis close didn’t work. Let’s see if this helps to solve the problem here…
by britishbruin on Feb 18, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
victory is mine
now I’ll sort of fix it above.
by britishbruin on Feb 18, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
britishbruin conquers bold
and returns the world to typeface normalcy.
You, sir, are the unbold and the beautiful.
I don't buy the comparison.
Florida fans do not, by and large, give a rats you know what about basketball. UF is a football school and always will be. yes, people got excited when the once in a blue moon occurred a few years ago, but there will never be the support that UCLA has for the sport. Except for those two seasons, most Florida fans care more about Spring ball than the NCAA tournament. Believe me, Florida fans are not gripping like we are about the state of the hoops program. The are celebrating the best recruiting class in NCAA history and hoping that Urban will actually coach next season.
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