Another Sign Point To Possible Major Sanctions On Southern Cal's Scandal Tainted Program
by Nestor on Feb 23, 2010 2:30 PM PST
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PrintThis post from a website called Sportales is making the rounds in the internets today (emphasis added):
After a full three days of interviews, including two full days focused on Pete Carroll’s football program, the NCAA has wrapped up it’s investigation of the USC athletic program. And while an investigation of this duration is virtually unheard of, the worst news for the Trojans football program appears to be coming from leaked reports popping up over the last several hours.
One official directly connected to the investigation was directly quoted as saying that the only matter for discussion at this point is the severity of the sanctions. It is all but assured that the Trojans will lose a significant number of scholarships and bowl eligibility for as many as two years, and will not be appearing on television.
Not sure how much credibility we can put on this post, however it is not random in the current climate. Remember, yesterday the New York Times reported that there were "signs" that Trogans will not likely get away with a mere "wrist slap" on its sleazy scandal tainted athletic program. ESPN also published a column yesterday from Johnette Howard taking a direct shot at "USC arrogance." The most interesting aspect in all this is how will the NCAA come down in a scenario in which an institution has not established solid track record when it comes to self reporting possible violations concerning the football program.
Also, as we are talking about violations concerning powerhouse football programs, Michigan was hit by the NCAA letter of investigations today, concerning alleged extra practice violations. Unlike the Trogans, University of Michigan held a news conference in which President Mary Sue Coleman, head football coach Rich Rodriguez and incoming athletic director David Brandon met all the reporters to discuss the allegations in detail.
A remarkable contrast from Mike Garrett and Steve Sample's renegade athletic program, which didn't bother informing the media about their letter of investigation last Fall.The Michigan example is the textbook example of how a respectable institution of higher learning that truly values its academic integrity, takes steps to institute control over an athletic department, while Trojan AD cries to LA Times about not having total control.
We will see how it all plays out. Clearly right now there seems to be signs of momentum towards some due justice (which should have been served up a while ago) in the world of college football.
GO BRUINS.
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It's not the death penalty
But we were kidding ourselves if we thought that was really going to happen.
A ban from playing on TV for two years would probably devastate their program though. I’d be happy with that.
not to be a buzzkill
but none of us will know the extent of these sanctions for up to 2 1/2 months from now. I’m as intrigued as everyone else in this country who knows how scandalous the ‘school’ across town has been this entire decade, but I just don’t know what to make of all this speculation. I’m anxious, but the more I realize that it’s going to be a minimum of 6 weeks (probably closer to 10) until we find out, the more I personally just want to get this over with.
I’m personally more interested to see what happens to Seantrel Henderson, since his dad apparently doesn’t understand that sanctions won’t be announced until well after April 1st. Most likely Lamey and Garrett have called him up to claiming that nothing will happen and acting like the snakes they are in trying to get his signature.
Agreed on Seantrel
His decision may be the first concrete sign, more than internet rumors or leaks. If he is not privy to any inside information, he is really in a tough spot right now.
Of course, he could assure himself of some peace of mind in Westwood…
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Rumor Alert
Supposedly his pops thinks he’s a rap superstar and Lame hooked him up with frontrunnin’ Snoop Dogs**t. Personally, I wouldn’t touch this kid. He has a Renardo Sidneyesque quality to him.
Not playing on TV
Doesn’t that hurt all its opponents too? As in, wouldn’t we be unable to watch the UCLA-USC game on TV?
It would
and I also don’t know how it would affect the Pac-10’s TV contract. Would the conference have to repay the networks some money and how would the Pac-10 distribute the money that they have? Would SC be frozen out?
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Feb 23, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don't trust this website and its "inside info" for a moment
They have articles running called “Big 10 Announces Texas Will Join in 2012” and “Randy Moss Traded to Green Bay Packers”. If those two stories come to fruition in the near future, then I’ll buy in. Right now though, I’m fully calling BS. Nothing has been decided yet.
I am not sure about the website either
But as I mentioned in the post this info. is not coming out in a total vacuum at this point. There is a lot of speculation going on with what looks to be the overwhelming majority of country, wanting serious sanctions on Southern Cal. If the NCAA doesn’t step up, it is going to destroy their credibility and basically signal to everyone else that it is open season for cheating.
I thought maybe it was a joke
like an Onion for sports or something. I looked on Google and actually there is a lot of talk of TX going to the Big 10 and I was totally out of the loop on that one! So, maybe they are reporting a little prematurely but let’s hope they are RIGHT!
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Except
The part about no TV. I want everyone to see when we mop the floor with them! No money for it, but let them be on TV! heheee!
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Nope
Cause even if they’re on TV, they get exposure (even if they lose). The worst that can happen to a team is that no one sees them
If we blow them out on TV, that would look even better
than a ban. Look at our Bball, we’ve lost everygame on National TV and it hasn’t helped us at all
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
It's a small sacrifice
I would be happy to not be able to see us play them on tv if that means the rubs are banned…
I think mike is right
We can’t put any stock in this post on its own. That is why I made sure that we are reading in context with what else we have been reading from established outlets such as the NYT and ESPN (when SChilly Smith is not involved) in last 24-48 hours. Something is in the water.
We are going to find out in few weeks.
A while back
we had a predict-what-penalties-$c-will-get thread.
I propose that the winner gets a trogan dickshunary.
Major sanctions would be nice
but really I’m more looking forward to kicking their asses on the field. That would be a thousand times sweeter.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Past sanctions
For the geezers, remember the time the NCAA penalized UCLA/SC/Cal?/WU in the 50’s? The penalty, among other items, was seniors could only play 1/2 the games in the season. In fact, it might have hit Staford too. It was during a time that one school was turning against another and the offenses pyramided until several schools were hit. Needles to say, this made a big difference and was during the time the Big-10 was dominating the Rose Bowl.
Bill
Mensgym
Remember it well
Though I was just a kid. Something called the Young Men’s Club of Westwood was funneling money to athletes. $C and UCLA turned one another in, but I don’t remember who else was affected. I know the biggest deal was that John Arnett of $C lost half seasons that killed his college career. A top-flight Bruin did, too, but I don’t remember who it was—Ronnie Knox, maybe? It took years for the programs to recover, because UCLA was just a few years past a national championship and didn’t come close to breathing that kind of air again for about a decade.
Wasn't this the demise of the old league?
I remember a recruiting scandal that brought down the entire leage. At the time the league had a different name. After the scandal, the league reformed as the Pac-8 before the inclusion of the Arizona schools.
Stanford & Cal were the stoolies
Sc and Ucla didm not report each other.
'CaptainJack65'
Jack Metcalf
by captainjack65 on Feb 26, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
AND go for the onside kick
UCLA's most famous athlete: Jackie Robinson. U$C's most famous athlete: OJ Simpson. 'Nuff said.
If the NCAA
actually grew a pair and did that, I’d be shocked and HAPPILY surprised! They deserve more, but that would send a message loud and clear. Especially if that is coupled with vacating wins etc from the past.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Loss of scholies
Won’t hurt them as long as they can hire the parents and use their “free tuition for offspring” policy.
I agree
The scholarship losses won’t hurt them because they will just find a way to pay for them. Its the postseason ban that would hurt. They have to do something so that $c can’t buy their way out of it.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Sorry guys I disagree
Until the “nonprofit” NCAA proves otherwise, why would we think this is any different? I sincerely doubt they will take on any school that stands to be a cash cow to ABC/ESPN/FOX.
I unfortunately expect:
A loss of 2 scholarships for the football team
A loss of an additional scholarship for the basketball team
No tournament play for the basketball team for the next two years
Meaning:
“Sorry guys, you can only carry 2 kickers this summer, and the coach’s son will have to pay his own way this time”
“Glad to see Lil Romeo is paying his own way, but we’ll have to ask another benchwarmer to give up his scholarship. But feel free to offer him a grant though”
“…not that you guys would have made it anyway, but…”
I’m sorry…I’ve seen this play out too many times to expect any semblance of fairness and justice from the other four-letter. I fully expect a slap on the wrist and a whole lot of spin in a few weeks time.
Didn't the death penalty hurt SMU's conference almost as much as SMU?
Rather than a no TV penalty, would it be better if all of $UC’s TV revenue went to the PAC 10/NCAA. Then there would be less collateral damage to the PAC 10.
Wasn't that the collapse of the Southwestern Conference?
Arkansas moved to the SEC, and the realignment also sent TCU and Rice out of the conference. Four Texas schools joined with the Big 8 to create the conference that now exists.
Yup
but I think it just accelerated the inevitable. With espn and the recruiting coverage, it was only a matter of time before the SWC broke or expanded. They were pretty much the Texas league which would have hurt their exposure and recruiting.
TV Ban
It is possible to eliminate national tv eligibility while retaining local exposure and then keeping any revenue for Pac-10 only. This though I feel is a pipe dream. More likely loss of scholarships-no post season games-and forfeiture of all wins and money from Bush years. A plus would be five years probation for its athletic Department where any violations of significance would be the death penalty for 2 years. Akll this is speculation until NCAA shows some guts.
Right
Oh how I wish this was a REAL thread discussion after this has all come true! Hopefully we can link back to this and smile in a couple of months!
GO BRUINS!!!
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Let them keep the TV coverage so
Throughout the game, the announcers repeat their violations and punishment. Mention that cheaters never prosper since the TV revenues are going to the other PAC 10 teams.
by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 23, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
I still think
Cheatey Petey would not have left town if they were not going to get hit with SOMETHING.
Personally
give suc what they deserve or end this shenanigan if it’s just going to be a wrist slap. Instead of a TV ban, add another year to their postseason ban and give them no TV revenue while under probation and give it to the other teams in the Pac.
I have no confidence in the ncaa and I’m not getting my hopes up.
Arrogance
I have a family member who is on the southern cal campus and she says that most of the admin feels like they are scott free of any sanctions. Either they are in complete denial? or they have info we dont know about?
I’m gonna hope for the best – DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
A wounded animal is most dangerous
All of this talk about sanctions is all well and good, however, if they should happen and I hope they do, we still need to beat them. If these sanctions are put in place $uc will have nothing to lose much like their basketball team this year. We can talk all we want about what they deserve, but in the end it is our program that still needs to step up
I am hopeful
I think if SUC had made a responsible hire, unlike Lame, it would have helped them to cool the flames. When they hired Lamey they had to know they were throwing oil on the fire. With the crap Lamey and the Ogre pulled leaving Tennessee, SUC showed complete contempt for the NCAA.
That makes it a pissing contest. And the powers that be, like the NCAA do not like to be dissed.
Think about it. All the responsible coaches turned it down, from Riley, Del Rio and Fisher. The latter two had it too sweet, I know, to really be interested. I’m speculating there were more that turned down interest. Why? Because SUC could not assure them of the old wrist slap. So Lamey was literally the last man standing.
Add the three days of hearings, two on football…Mmmmm.
If it is a wrist slap, the NCAA loses complete control, too.
I expect serious sanctions.
As for Seantrell Henderson, he’s either really smart or a head case. I’m not sure. I just remember in a video he was literally bowled over by our Owa guy from Oregon.
Fun speculating, but we really won’t know for awhile, will we?
If the NCAA wanted to make the sanctions realistic . . .
it would also allow all LOI signers to renege. Those few who are academically eligible for UCLA might decide that Westwood is looking pretty nice compated with a Figueroa Tech campus in the middle of a crime zone (its football and basketball programs).
Significant sanctions combined with their current coach should place the University of Second Choice where it belongs. In the third tier of college programs.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
Hard to believe
that SUC recruited so well with serious sanctions hanging over their heads. I’ll be surprised if they are hit really hard, but it would be great to be wrong.
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