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There were two moments from yesterday's game that crystallized this season for me. If you have the stomach to go back and watch the last two minutes of yesterday's game, zero in on the offensive possession when we fell behind by 3 points (65-68 with 51 seconds left in the game clock). Watch our guys on offense. You will see clearly how hard the guys were trying not to pass the ball to Nikola Ragovic because they KNEW if they passed it to him, he would jack up a three point shot. Of course Jerime Anderson went on to turn the ball over. 

When the Bruins came down again next offensive possession (down by 4 after a missed FT), Ragovic promptly jacked up a 3. You could see how Ben Howland was telling Ragovic that we didn't need a 3 (as Donnie Mac was saying the same during broadcast), yet all of us watching the game, the players - everyone except Ben Howland - seemed to know what Ragovic was going to do at the time. Somehow Howland seemed to be in total denial with an expression as if that was the first time Dragovic has jacked up an ill advised three this season.

As we have said all along, the problems we have had this season is well beyond Nikola Dragovic. We have zeroed in on Dragovic a lot because he is the poster child of Howland's stubbornness and hard-headed mentality that has put his program in a funk in last two seasons.  As shared in the comment section yesterday Nikola Ragovic is just part of a complex set of issues that Howland is solely responsible for bringing upon himself in Westwood.  Before I go into it a bit, I will reiterate once again, we are not calling for firing of Ben Howland (people without basic reading comprehension abilities don't seem to understand it). All we are doing is raising legitimate questions about how the head coach is managing this program and why he has kept pursuing the same fruitless game strategies that are resulting in an underachieving season.

This season if it stays on its current course will be an underachieving one. The excuses of early NBA defections and being young is not going to suffice, when Ben Howland essentially wasted overwhelming majority of the season by building a rotation around scrubs like Nikola Ragovic (who never cared about playing "Ben Ball"), at the expense of valuable developmental opportunities for Brendan Lane (who in his brief appearances showed he is more talented and defensively tenacious (doesn't take much) than Ragvoc), Bobo Morgan and Mike Moser.  The excuses of early NBA defections and being young is not going to suffice, when Ben Howland didn't have the courage to trust the leadership and basketball IQ of a hard working senior such as Mustafa Abdul-Hamid, who has outplayed Jerime Anderson the entire season. So Howland has nowhere to go except taking full responsibility for an unacceptable (losing) season, and also realize this year will be a permanent stain on his record in Westwood.

Star-divide

Unfortunately, from his post game comments, it sounds like Ben Howland is in denial and it's not comforting. Here is what he had to say about jacking up 3s to start the game:

The Bruins, meanwhile, made 20 of 25 shots from inside the three-point line, but were only eight for 26 beyond it. Eight of their first nine shots were three-point tries.

"That shows how much we were hurting for an inside presence," Howland said.

Somehow Howland forgot to mention, he had some kid named Bobo toiling on the bench, who could have provided him with some size down low. Somehow Howland forgot to mention how he could have inserted Lane for Ragovic much earlier in the game, who with a gimpy ankle was more effective and more tenacious than Ragovic. Howland than had the following funny about the waning moments in second half:

"It's inexplicable," Coach Ben Howland said. "I don't know if it was fatigue. I have no answers for that."

Howland seems to be in denial that Abdul-Hamid could have been a more reliable option that Jerime Anderson, who hasn't shown any signs of maintain his composure during crunch time (unless you count that bank in Hass Pavilion).

With regards to Jerime Anderson, I am not giving up on him (or any of our sophomores) yet. What he and his fellow sophomores need is positive feedback, intense coaching who will motivate them to come back stronger and (finally) humbled next season, so they are ready to compete every day during practices and game days. When I feel like counting Anderson out, I am reminded how lost and confused CB (another blue chip pg from the OC) looked until his senior season when he completely dedicated himself to defense. When I see Bobo struggling to grab boards, I remind myself of how George Zidek looked in his first three seasons in Westwood, until he became a pivotal cog for that magical team from 1995.

I also think Malcolm Lee could end up having a decent career at UCLA, if he dedicates himself this off-season in working on his jump shot and polishing his defensive skills at 2G. With Tyler Honeycutt in the picture and a starting unit which might include team-minded players such as Brendan Lane, Lee has the potential to have an above average season, if he comes back for his junior season (Yes, I used the word "if" because we are still hearing rumbling about Lee thinking about the NBA (yes, don't LOL, apparently he is really thinking about it)).

As for rest of this, I am really searching for reasons to remain interested (even though I will be watching all the games like a train wreck). It is clear Howland is intent on wasting it on Ragovic, as he couldn't have sent a clearer signal yesterday by giving only 2 combined mins to Morgan and Moser, while giving 34 minutes to Ragovic despite his sour shoulder and injured ankle (apparently tripping over during layup drills).

As discussed ad nausea Howland had a great opportunity to reignite the fanbase and re-establish the ethos of defense, hustle and effort which built his earlier success in Westwood earlier in the season, by giving minutes to players such as Abdul-Hamid, Lane, Morgan, and Moser, who have given everything they have when they got on the court. Yet, inexplicably Howland has kept going back to same characters in his rotation, who have established an unmistakable track record of laziness, lack of effort, and all around low basketball IQ.

If people are feeling uncomfortable with discussing these issues, then they need to get used it. No one here was expecting a Pac-10 championship or a deep run in the Big Dance. However, given the personnel that were available on this team, it was not unreasonable to expect a winning season as a bare minimum and a team that would play with fire and passion and "bring it" every game. Howland has completely failed in all accounts this season and right now seems in denial about how it was him, who brought it upon himself with his poor game and personnel management and lack of coherent strategies on the recruiting trail.

As we are poised to lose rest of our regular season games and strike out with elite recruits this spring and possibly for the class of 2011, expect the scrutiny on Howland to get even stronger. It is not going to come just from us; it will come from all corners of UCLA basketball, except for the select few "trust in head coach crowd," who are never willing to brace the reality.

For Howland's sake, we really hope he actively looks to bring in someone in his coaching staff, who can provide some much needed confident strategic feedback, that is necessary to get his faltering program back on track.

GO BRUINS.

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Do we think Howland reads his tweets?

When I read the quotes you pulled from his interview, I was stunned. He sounded like a fan with no power, rather than the coach who should know what to do. No inside game? Not true, both Lane and Lee (with great passes by Tyler) had really good inside games. It would have been nice to give them some help rebounding from the tallest member of the team!

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Feb 28, 2010 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with everything but the certainty that he should've played MAH

Which is totally inconsistent with the idea that he should be trusting the younger guys, in this case Anderson. Playing MAH at the end of the game is the very definition of “playing it safe” and in fear of mistakes, which is precisely what you’ve been criticizing Howland for. It’s not at all certain that MAH would’ve been better in there; he certainly didn’t do much throughout the rest of the game. He would not have been able to make the three-point play Anderson made to tie the game at 62 because he’s too small/unathletic to finish inside.

This is not a defense of Anderson. I can’t stand him. But…that doesn’t mean MAH is better. Anderson cost us the game thanks to inexplicable turnovers that he’s prone to making, but if you play an extremely limited walk-on because you’re afraid your sophomore will make inexplicable turnovers you are guilty of the very fear of mistakes which many have been condemning Howland for all this time.

by bluebland on Feb 28, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

It's not inconsistent

When i wrote about going with younger guys, I meant guys who normally don’t get time in his rotation. MAH is not “young” per his class, however, he didn’t have the game experience of Jerime Anderson, who was also given the pg slot without any competition.

MAH is not athletically gifted as Anderson but he played with heart and effort on defense all season long. Moreover, he is a better shooter and astonishingly can bring the ball up court (something Anderson hasn’t been able to do this season). Going with Anderson was the “safe” route because apparently Howland is not capable of envisioning a scenario in where anyone except his anointed guards can play point.

MAH had proven himself this year with crunch time mins against tough backcourt of Washington. He certainly deserved more mins and should have been entrusted yesterday, after Anderson had shown the uncanny ability to meltdown in crucial mins this season. Yet Howland was incapable from adjusting from his set pre-game rotations and it cost us dearly at the end of the game.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Roll played point against OSU

So I don’t think you can say he never adjusts who plays point. Also, during the home UW game, he put in MAH for that last possession and he got burned by Overton before making the last-second shot to make up for it. Not sure what that proved. In general I don’t believe in bringing in cold players for crunch time; those cutesy moves have cost a lot of coaches big games. I don’t think Howland has been making good decisions this year but playing Anderson at that point doesn’t qualify as a no-brainer mistake IMO.

by bluebland on Feb 28, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't get bitter, get better.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly…who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place will never be with those cold and timid souls who have never known neither victory nor defeat.

First time poster on Bruins Nation. Wish I could stick sround to read the replies but I have to run to my backyard ballpark (Dodger Stadium) and SUPPORT the Bruin baseball team vs SUC.

by Echo Park Bruin on Feb 28, 2010 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

Huh?

Do you have specific points regarding the issues we brought up or did you just come here to headline with one of Steve Lavin’s favorite phrases for UCLA basketball fans?

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

No specifics

No specifics from me. Just a UCLA fan tired of the criticism of the UCLA basketball program. Especially since we have a truly great coach like Ben Howland. He has earned my trust and respect.

This may have been my first post, but I’ve been logging onto this sight long before I even created my account (which I’m sure you’ve already checked into). I just felt it necessary to post one of the world’s greatest statements against against criticism made by the great Teddy Roosevelt. To be honest, I didn’t even realize it was one of “Lavin’s favorite phrases”.

BTW, great victory by our baseball team today at Chavez Ravine. GO BRUINS.

by Echo Park Bruin on Feb 28, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Whether TR is the person you most admire

or it’s someone else, all leaders have their ups and downs. If you own stock in a company and like the CEO, if the stock drops significantly, you’re not going to be completely thrilled. If you supported GWBush, there were times he made decisions that most likely disappointed you. If you support Obama, a number of his decisions probably haven’t made you a happy camper. W fans weren’t likely to turn into Democrats just because social security privatization didn’t happen. Obama fans aren’t likely to become Republicans or Tea Partiers just because health care reform is either dead or much weaker than originally proposed.

Nobody here is calling for Howland’s head. We respect him. However, to look at a losing season, losses against teams no UCLA team should ever lose to, and coaching decisions that appear to many educated minds to not create the best situation to win, it’s fair for people to be unhappy. What you’ve seen if you’ve been reading the site as long as you suggest is specific criticism, supported by evidence, and followed by ideas about how the situation could be improved. I hope you’ll join in!

by KSBruin on Feb 28, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Point taken

Thanks for your response. Your point is well taken. Amazing how easy it is to absorb what someone is trying to say to you (whether written or spoken) when its not filled with “weak”, “whine and bitch”, “worst post ever”, “ass” etc.

I will try to be much better with my posts, if I ever dare try again or am not kicked off the sight, in the future. Just wanted to add that it is very tough to watch the bruins lose to CSUF, Long Beach, Portland and SUC twice in the same season. But to say that those losses are unacceptable and unconscionable EVER is to minimize those programs and thier effort, hard work, enthusiasm and skill. Sometimes we must give credit where credit is due (sorry if those are someone else’s famous words).

Thank you again KSBruin.

by Echo Park Bruin on Mar 1, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Normally those derisive adjectives aren't apt

In this case, it describes your series of posts pretty well. Quit your bitching and contribute something original…if you can.

by Tydides on Mar 2, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty well

I’d say those adjectives were spot on.

by Bellerophon on Mar 2, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Worst. First. Post. Ever.

Another “delusional” Bruin who wants to do nothing but whine and bitch at anyone who dares criticizes anything to do with UCLA athletics.

I bet this tool also was a Dorellista.

by Bellerophon on Feb 28, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Whine and Bitch?

Where did I whine and bitch onmy post at UCLA athletics crtitics? I’m not delusional, nor a Dorellista as you suggest.

I’m a UCLA-ista and I “get it”.

Don’t get bitter, get better. This too shall pass.

by Echo Park Bruin on Feb 28, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it "whine and bitch" but

it is a bit preachy. It’s fine with me, but it’s the kind of preachy that attacks in the disguise of gentility. I don’t care that you are critical of the critics:
bq. It is not the critic who counts

but at least recognize it as an attack, or at least, a swipe.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Feb 28, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry the bq. didn't work the way I thought.

“It is not the critic who counts”

I do want to add, that people here always seem to be looking to make things better and sometimes it takes critics to do that, especially when they are on the side of those being critiqued.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Feb 28, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

A "bit" preachy...

…is being pretty generous. It’s always a smooth move to be the new guy who shows up and makes an ass of himself right out of the gate.

by Bellerophon on Mar 1, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Copypasta?

And your “Copypasta” inspirational flyer is original?

by Echo Park Bruin on Feb 28, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Your annoyed reaction says it all

That’s the point. It’s annoying if copy-paste is all your post consists of because it’s essentially a waste of space. Glad that you get it now. Now that you see it from the other side, maybe you can understand why your initial post has elicited such a harsh reaction.

You say above that you “have no specifics” in rebuttal to what N wrote. To be brutally honest, if you don’t have any counterpoints to add with legitimate justification, then maybe it’s better if you don’t post at all. You may not like what’s being said, but at least N and others are providing backup to their claims and opinions. Speak for yourself and give people a reason WHY they shouldn’t criticize CBH, if that is your point. Don’t hide behind the words of others. It doesn’t make you any more legitimate.

by Tydides on Mar 1, 2010 1:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Far from annoyed

Trust me Tydides, I’m far from annoyed.

As for “no specifics”, I didn’t have any and said so. Sorry I don’t have the time to be on this sight 24/7, whether it be at home, on laptop, blackberry, cell, etc. I’m a father and work a full-time job.

As for why people shouldn’t crticize CBH, because he has worked his ass off for the program and has turned things around. He has a proven track record and as John Wooden would say, its not all about the scoreboard, its about faith and patience. Quite frankly, given the state of the basketball program before he arrived, CBH has earned both.

by Echo Park Bruin on Mar 1, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

No one is too good to have their motives questioned

And face it, you were annoyed. No, I don’t trust you nor have you earned that trust, especially not with this intellectually vacant series of posts you’ve made.

Your reasoning as to why people shouldn’t criticize CBH is a non-sequitur. You’re attempting to prove that CBH is immune to criticism, and is in job-related terms, infalliable by using his work ethic as “proof” of that. How do you even reach that conclusion? That makes no sense whatsoever.

And please, that whole “have no time” crap is just a cop out and you know it. You had time to come in and attempt to engage the site, but you don’t have time to justify your claim? That, like most everything else you’ve posted here, is lazy, sloppy, and cowardly. If you don’t have time to justify your opinions, then don’t post at all, because an opinion without proper justification is worthless. I look forward to you going back into lurking mode. Thanks.

by Tydides on Mar 2, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

AA the Kobe stopper!

Listening to some pre-Laker game chat on radio and the announcer said "we’ll find out today if Afflalo is really the Kobe stopper he’s been made out to be. Sorry, don’t know who it was, but it was fun to hear.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Feb 28, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

My advice to Malcom Lee

The pro scouts are not stupid. When they see how ML shoot, they would not be interested in him at all. Yes he is good when he goes in to the basket one on one, but the 3 pt., free throws, and medium range shooting are horrible, big time. If I were ML, please forget about NBA, concentrate on shooting practice this Summer. He would be benifited by staying until senior year, not any earlier. TH has a much better chance to make NBA, maybe in junior year. He doesn’t have enough games to prove to the scouts and he needs to improve on his free throws.

by NNL on Feb 28, 2010 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

If Malcolm Lee actually "tests" the NBA waters

It will mean any or both of the following options

1) Lee is not a very sharp kid and terribly delusional

2) It must really not be fun to play for Ben Howland

Neither options are pretty.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the same about JH

He only shot 45% from the field, 30% from 3pts and 72% from the line. However, JH is a much better player than ML. I will be astounded if any pro team shows interest in ML. Trevor Ariza was another shocker, but look at the player he’s become.

by 75NatChamps on Feb 28, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Jrue > Lee

Ariza was very raw when he left, he was very close to not making it in the NBA. Being traded to the Lakers saved his career and in the end earned him millions.

Now Lee, maybe a second round if he goes? The kid needs to stay 5 more years at this pace. At least put in an offseason of solid work and bring to the scouts next year. I’m sure he already knows this.

by Bruin'96 on Feb 28, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Ariza

had 32 career starts in his first four years, and 20 starts in his fifth. Over those five years his best scoring average was 8.9ppg. He turned a good playoff run with the Lakers into a $33 million contract, and now starting for the Rockets is averaging 15.4. He has indeed become a decent player, but could have developed over another year or two into a top of the first round draft pick, rather than the mid-second round pick he was. I suppose the only argument in favor of his leaving early was that he got off his rookie contract sooner that way.

by KSBruin on Feb 28, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken

there were some family issues that also played a part in him leaving early. I think he might have liked to stay but couldn’t financially…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 1, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Hate to Say It

But Nestor has been right all along. I went to the game. BL played very well, with the exception of having the ball stripped one time. He worked hard on defense, and had a very nice little hook shot in the lane. He was 4-4 from the field. He has shown the improvement that comes from being on the court with regularity. If he had been played more during the season, he would have advanced further in his game.

Drago played his usual horrible self. 3-9 from the field, 1-6 from 3 pt. land. Drago has 1 rebound in 34 minutes played. BL had 5 in 23 mins. It was astounding to me that Drago played so lethargically in front of his mother. It is even more noticeable in person. I was surprised when BL was removed in the last 5 minutes of the game. Perhaps CBH didn’t want to insult him on seniors day, but I am afraid that he inserted Drago to win the game, which would have been the wrong decision even considering Drago’s free throw skill.

BL is the better player NOW and should start in place of ND. BL gives the team the better chance to win and will improve with more play.

I had the feeling that Bobo didn’t play much because Oregon plays a small lineup, and has no real post moves to take advantage at the offensive end.

ML actually had a very good offensive game. He was 8 -14 and made extremely acrobatic reverse layups, some under extreme duress. This is obviously his strength. No guard played well defensively, as Porter torched us.

The team had no answer to Porter, who scored outside and penetrated and dished inside. I would have liked to have seen more man on man defense, so Porter could be overplayed not to get the ball, and help defense could have tried to slow him. Screens at the top of the zone created openings for him to shoot. I’ve seen him shoot them out of games before, but he had the hot hand at Pauley. He was 7-9 from 3pt, which will sink any team.

JA didn’t play that poorly, except in the clutch. He made a great driving layup, and was fouled, that tied the game. He played with more confidence. Then he threw two no look passes out of bounds in what Magic Johnson calls “winning time”. After all the travel ball games JA has played, it is hard to believe that he doesn’t play with more poise in the clutch. Hopefully, as a junior he will play with more confidence. Except for the meltdown, I think he’s improving, and I agree that its to early to give up on him. I hope he will have more quickness after all his injuries heal. I thought he was decent in the few minutes he got as a freshman.

Even with foul trouble throughout, TH played great. He had 13 rebounds in 28 mins, and 3 steals. He is such a quick high leaper that he gets every board where he has a chance to get it. He is so valuable that he has to learn not to get cheap fouls.

MR missed so many easy shots in the first half, that I was astounded that he ended up shooting 9-16 for the game and 6-12 from 3pt. I am glad that he was able to play so well in front of his family.

by 75NatChamps on Feb 28, 2010 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

the very same thing happened at the beginning of the season

when Nelson was playing the 4 against (I think CSUF? one of the games we went to overtime) and was having a great game scoring and rebounding, and yet he played less than half the minutes of dragovic who was terrible. Even into overtime Howland stuck with Drago although nelson was much, much more effective and the team was struggling to score.

by silverlakebruin on Feb 28, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

JA did not play poorly...

…except when he got BURNED every time his man drove to the hoop…

UCLA - Champions Made Here

by seernst on Feb 28, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

You have guts for going to the game...

…far more than I. A good friend with season tickets called me at 10 AM and offered me his two tickets (mid-court, right near Rafer Johnson and a few rows up from Chuck Young – -i.e., good seats). I couldn’t bring myself to go watch them lose. Shame on me but that’s where I am right now. Free tickets and I wouldn’t even go. I hate that feeling, and I hope next year that it’s gone…

by 2ndGenBruin on Feb 28, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Senior leadership?

In looking at next year, and wondering who would need to step up to the plate and display some leadership (TH comes to mind), I was coming up blank as to who would be a senior next year, so I looked at the roster. The only “seniors” (this year’s juniors) were listed MAH (redshirt) and Spencer Soo, both of whom were honored on Senior Day (and SS hardly played, anyway). How do we get to a point where we have no seniors? This is a rhetorical question, but I think it means that we will need two years to rebuild, one for this year’s freshmen to mature and assume some responsibility, and another for next year’s freshmen to develop. I realize that the NBA’s lure is tempting, but no seniors?

by ucla717274 on Feb 28, 2010 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

Work with what we've got.

I believe the best leadership is by example. I see this as Honeycutt’s team next year. RN is a stud, and hopefully will work on avoiding stupid fouls. ML can be a pretty good cutter, and hopefully will have the chance to do so. As Donnie Mac says, TH is “The Toolbox” because he can do it all (even though I personally think the nick is kind of cheesy). The game and the leadership need to flow through him.

by KSBruin on Feb 28, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

um

we have no seniors because this year we have no juniors; and last year, we had no sophomores; because the previous year’s class was very small – 2 players – one of whom left for the NBA and one of whom transferred.

This, in itself, is a hangover from the empty cupboard left by Lavin, which meant CBH needed big classes on arrival and then could only offer 2 scholarships to the current junior class.

We didn’t have any senior starters on the last two Final Four runs. Senior leadership is not the concern; leadership itself is. All our Final Four runs have been led by sophomore and junior leadership from strong-willed guys with NBA-level talents.

by britishbruin on Mar 2, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a mess

Frustrates me to know that not giving minutes to Lane, Moser and Bobo to gain valuable experience during this disaster of a season is going to hurt us next year as well. I doubt we get any of the big targets like you noted. If I’m a Blue Chip recruit, why the hell would I want to play for CBH who has no offensive creativity and does not play FR. When a FR makes a mistake, he gets yanked while a SR is allowed to play like garbage and never face any repercussion.

by BlueReign on Feb 28, 2010 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

Well, not to worry

There won’t be any seniors next year.

by ucla717274 on Feb 28, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

If you CAN play, you WILL play

If you’re a blue chip recruit, you’ll see that Nelson and Honeycutt are starting as Freshmen. Howland recognizes and gives minutes to talent. If Moser et. al. had the game, they’d be in the game.

by BruinsinceBarnes on Feb 28, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

So is PT based on Talent or Game? Yes, MM doesn’t have a polished game but he has a hellavu lot more talent than Drago. So what exactly is it about Drago that he deserves the type of minutes he gets? The ONLY time I’ve seen CBH play a FR extensive minutes is when it was a MUST situation.

You honestly think that MM wouldn’t be getting around 10 minutes a game under Miller? What is the difference between Moser and Parrom/Hill? Not much. The difference is that under Miller, Parrom & Hill got to play without constantly worrying about being yanked for messing up. Zona is developing their FR and getting them valuable experience while we wasted this year. I’m going to assume that we’ve both been watching the same team. If so, we’re in full rebuild mode just like Zona.

by BlueReign on Feb 28, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

If that argument hols true, LMR would have never gotten consistent mins in his freshman year despite having ‘no game’ on offense and PAA would have never gotten the mins because he was nothing more than a fouling machine.

by Nestor on Mar 1, 2010 4:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Solution yesterday wasn't BL for ND, it was BL for JA

Not to keep beating the same drum, but the problem yesterday wasn’t that BL wasn’t getting playing time in place of ND, it was that he wasn’t getting playing time in place of JA. With a poor rebounding and defensive team, you have to play as much size as possible. BL also wasn’t very effective when he was in with only TH on the frontcourt. The best lineup by far was when BL was in with TH and ND. Now on a macro level, yes BL should have been getting more minutes in place of ND over the season. But on a micro level on why we lost yesterday, it was because CBH played a three guard lineup for a majority of the game.

As for every clamoring for more minutes for MM, he just is not ready to play D1 basketball. I have been watching him very closely the last few pregames and he is just very awkward right now. His mechanics on his jump shot are just brutal and he just doesn’t look like someone who is confident or comfortable with himself yet. His limited playing time this season has been a pretty accurate reflection IMHO of where he is at as a player.

by bruinponcho on Feb 28, 2010 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Dragovic

Is not qualified to play D-1 basketball at UCLA either. That point is not up for debate any more.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

Honestly poncho, I am not going to put a lot of stock in your observations right now in terms of who is ready to play or not. You have discounted Lane all season until the last few games. From what we have seen last few games, it is clear now that Lane should have gotten mins at the expense Rag (can’t use “o” either because he can’t bring any offense either). Moser might look awkward in his 2-3 mins he gets in. However, we can’t blame a kid who is playing scared and walking on egg shells because he knows he is getting pulled after the first mistake. So I don’t put much stock in observations based on those mins. It means nothing to me just like all those Lane observations from earlier this season (arguing that Dragovic should have kept getting those mins) have turned out to be totally baseless.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I never was down on Lane

I think you have me confused with someone else N as I have never “discounted Lane all season.” I have consistently said that he is going to be a great player and possibly our best player by his junior year. I always said he should have been getting any minutes that JK got since he can do everything JK can do but better. The reason I have been supportive of more playing time for him the last few games is because JK is gone and there is no reason to not play BL anymore. I always said he has a lot of skill and talent. His problem is that he is still not very strong and not the quickest guy in the world. With the zone and lack of quality big guys in the pac 10 (except for SC which his lack of strength was painfully apparent), he can contribute.

Lane is a basketball player but not a good athlete. Moser is an athlete who isn’t yet a good basketball player. Both will get there in time, but Moser really doesn’t have much to contribute yet.

Please don’t mischaracterize my analysis in the future. I never set you up as a strawman and would appreciate the same respect.

by bruinponcho on Feb 28, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

You have been defending Drago's playing time all season long

Sorry if I am not going to read your assessments on how much PT players should get based on what you see at this point.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

As is your right

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you disagree with me, I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

I still think ND was a necessary evil if Howland wanted to have a .500 team as he balanced the floor as an outside threat (even if it was a decoy threat). Once the season became a lost cause after the second SC loss, there was no reason to worry about “winning now” and BL and JMM should have been given more minutes, which they still haven’t.

I would caution anyone expecting or reverse projecting BL as a savior to not get your hopes up too high. He has had a couple good games with very low expectations where anything he does is applauded. Look at how much all the RN fanboys have already started to nitpick his game.

by bruinponcho on Feb 28, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I am certainly not expecting Lane to be a savior

I never did. I don’t expect additional mins for Moser and Bobo next year to be a panacea either. I believe this season was essentially lost in mid December when Howland continued to go with Rag even though he exerted 0 effort on defense. It set a terrible example and sent a terrible message through rest of the program, which cracked its foundation and demoralized the fanbase.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You have been defending Drago's playing time all season long

You might have not discounted Lane directly. However, you were defending Drago’s PT which amounted to 33-35 mins a game. If you were defending Howland for giving those mins, you were essentially indirectly discounting what Lane, Moser or Bobo could bring to table who would have been beneficiary of those mins.

I do recall you said Lane brings more to the table than Keefe. However, your stance on Drago essentially amounted to having more confidence in him than Lane.

I have a lot of respect for your takes, but for this season I am not going to rely much your assessments on how much PT our guys should get.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

One last point re Moser

I feel comfortable with my assessment of him. Moser has one of the ugliest jumpshots I have ever seen. It seriously makes ML look like Reggie Miller. If Moser ever does get in a game, you won’t have to rely on my assessment as it will be pretty obvious to anyone watching. Now MM might be able to contribute in some other ways (such as hustle, D, and rebounding—all things that would be great), but my point that his fundamentals aren’t there yet is a pretty safe observation.

by bruinponcho on Feb 28, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't find any of that convincing

LMR would have never gotten consistent mins in his freshman year despite having ‘no game’ on offense and PAA would have never gotten the mins because he was nothing more than a fouling machine. Clearly they were held to different standards than Moser and Lane (until Keefe went down).

by Nestor on Mar 1, 2010 4:05 AM PST up reply actions  

shooting?

Doesn’t Howland have any shooting coaches on the team, too many players look like s**t out there.

by Bruin'96 on Mar 1, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Our "success" at the line

seems to lead to an answer of no, at least not an effective one.

by KSBruin on Mar 1, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You may have a good point on the BL for JA proposal

but I think CBH went with the 3 guard lineup to try to match some speed to slow down Porter and force others to beat us. Clearly JA didn’t get it done on either end of the court. So maybe in retrospect more length and height would not have hurt in defending Porter.

I tend to agree with you on the MM comment as well, but if he did see more minutes earlier in the year, who knows. Just two weeks ago BL was really an unknown entitiy and those arguing against him playing were using similar arguments that you have used to describe MM. Now I think that most agree that BL deserves more minutes even with a healthy RN.

by 84 on Feb 28, 2010 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

Lane is totally different than Moser

Lane has always been skilled and fundamentally sound. He has good touch and a good feel for the game. The issue with Lane is that he is just not strong enough yet and plays timid. Moser on the other hand is just an athlete at this point. playing basketball rather than a basketball player. As much as a “project” as Stover was projected to be, from the little time I have been able to observe them (since no one gets in to practices), Stover looks much much further ahead of Moser fundamentally at this point. Anyone expecting Moser to be a contributor next season might want to lower their expectations or you are likely to be disappointed.

by bruinponcho on Feb 28, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Lane "plays timid"?

Yes, he did because again he knew that he was getting the freaking hook after the first mistake before Keefe went down. Once Keefe went down and it became clear that Howland had no choice but to give him mins, he relaxed and his game picked up. I am going to guess same thing is at play with Mike Moser, who most likely would have flourished at a more rapid pace if he played for a coach like Sean Miller.

Don’t rag on these kids for playing “timid” when they are subjected to a different standard than Rag.

by Nestor on Feb 28, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year's team will be one of the youngest ever

We only have three juniors and no seniors. If these three seniors are starters next season, I predict we will have another so-so seasons. I am hoping TH, RN, BL combining with the two freshmen who could beat out the juniors for the starting jobs, then we could have a good team. Otherwise, we are looking at another season to be good. Coach Howland, the next two games is the good time to experiment a lineup consisting of freshmen and our only shooter in MR.

by NNL on Feb 28, 2010 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

11 points

in the first QUARTER! DC is AWESOME!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Feb 28, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

WOW

DC with the SICK crossover and 1! They are losing but DC is balling!

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Feb 28, 2010 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

And he's getting a lot of love! A good day for DC, AA, and RW in that regard!

They said the assistant working with him said he’d never seen a player work so hard to get better. They also had a nice interview with DC on why he stayed 4 years. I’ll try to find it. Funny, tWWL didn’t even have a picture of him a month ago when I’d watch their game tracker. Guess he’s known now.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Feb 28, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

DC's final line:

15-21 for 35 points in an 8 point Hornets loss. I’m not a stats geek – can someone explain to me how BSPN shows DC’s +/- as minus 19 with a game like that? Seems odd given that kind of performance. Also, I would think that totaling up the +/- for all Hornets players should end in -8, as the team lost by 8, but by my math the Hornets total -40. If anyone can teach me I’d be appreciative.

by KSBruin on Feb 28, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The +/- should total (-8)*5=40

Since there are 5 players on the court. As a simple example, suppose the same 5 players played the entire game. Then each of them would end up with a -8, which would total -40 for the team.

by gradstudentbruin on Mar 1, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Ahh, simple math.

My brain was dead at midnight. Thanks.

by KSBruin on Mar 1, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

When did CBH become

the anti-Gene Hackman? In the movie, “Hoosiers,” there was a scene when Hackman’s star player was ignoring his 3-passes rule (or was it 5?) before a shot. So, he sat him down. You don’t play the way I want you to play, you don’t play. So, Hackman’s character inserts the last man on the bench for the star.

A few minutes later, one of the 5 players on the court gets hurt or fouls out or something. The star, the only remaining player, gets off the bench, takes off his warm-up jersey, and gets ready to enter the game. Hackman looks at him, and says “Where’re you going? Sit down.” The star can’t believe it. The team has only four players on the court. He HAS to go in. Hackman repeats, “Sit down.”

Then, Hackman turns to the referee, gestures to the 4 players on the court, and says “That’s my team.” Playing 4 on 5, the team goes on to lose. But, Hackman had enforced the notion of team basketball over selfish play, no matter how talented the star. Furthermore, he had established to himself and to his team (although not to most players’ parents and team fans) that the harming of the team was done by the selfish player, not by the coach.

It took guts to sacrifice a game to make a point, but his team was worlds better off for having done so. CBH’s handling of JA and, particularly, ND is the antithesis of Hackman’s handling of his star. Whereas Hackman’s move was, in the long run, inspirational and helpful, CBH’s allocations of PT minutes seems to me to have the opposite effect. He rewards selfish play with minutes. He punishes mistakes when they are made by other players, but his chosen players escape responsibility for mistakes.

This can’t help but have a downright de-inspirational effect on the bench players. Not to mention, their lack of development. Not to mention, the non-improving nature of his team. It’s so obviously self-destructive, I just really don’t get it.

by Bruinut on Feb 28, 2010 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

A post season tournament proposal?

How about ucla nba players challenge unc nbaers to a championship game? Both schools have 14 in the nba, so the numbers work and it would give both school’s alumni something to enjoy. My guess is the unc folk are following their nbaers the same as we are and could use a good game to watch. What do you think? And at least we wouldn’t have to go against Rose again!

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Feb 28, 2010 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

Dragovic

At what point did Howland feel that Nik would become an impact player like Ryan Hollins was? Instead, he should have treated him like Michael Fey.

by UCLA4Life on Mar 1, 2010 12:08 AM PST reply actions  

True

I don’t know what possessed Howland to give you-know-who so much extra playing time after the 2007-08 season. What if, for instance, he’d decided to give those extra minutes to Chace Stanback (which would have been wise because, you know, CS actually had talent) instead? Since January, when Stanback became a regular in UNLV’s starting lineup, he’s been scoring in double digits almost every game while pulling down 5-10 rebounds, getting some steals and blocks, and rarely turning the ball over. Just looking at the numbers, he seems like a LRMAM clone. So why didn’t Ben see it? Why did he think that a slow-footed relatively unathletic 6-9 center who was a one-star recruit out of high school was a good bet to develop into a solid player? Why?

by ucla139 on Mar 1, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Contradicting Comments

Some are saying that Howland should go to his bench and start preparing for next season. I agree that this season is over and its best to start preparing for next season. But your comments are contradicting. You guys have said that you want more playing time for MAH (Senior) instead of Jerime Anderson (Soph) while you want less playing time for Ragovich (SR) and more for Bobo (Soph). Bobo is not the inside prescence we are looking for. Watch him play defense, he is terribly slow and always out of position which gets guys like TH in foul trouble. At least Ragovich fouls the player himself (I can’t believe I’m defending him).

To be critical of a coach who went to 3 straight final fours is absurd. Isn’t it the job of his assitants to go and get solid recruits who will play BenBall? Get CH the right peices and he will make a puzzle. Give him a break, forget this year, Howland wll be back.

by Waitingfornumber12 on Mar 1, 2010 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

To say Bobo is out of position on D

and defend ND is amusing. I watch the games from 1,500 miles away and when ND is on defense CBH may as well have me defend the guy instead; I can watch his man go by equally well.

by KSBruin on Mar 1, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Ragovic

almost never fouls, because he’s nowhere near his player. Olé!

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 1, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, ND's being out of position has put TH at greater risk of fouling

how can you blame Bobo when he plays so few minutes?

As to ND’s fouls — Tasser I join you in a loud Ole!

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 1, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

with you that Ragovich is terrible on D. My point is Bobo is not the answer.

by Waitingfornumber12 on Mar 1, 2010 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

Would Lee even get drafted if he declared?

I wouldn’t even let him be a 12th man on a D-League team at this point.

by ucla139 on Mar 1, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

NBA Draft

Not just for Lee and I don’t know if this is playing any impact in his decision but I’ve read stuff where the high likelihood and potential for an NBA lockout next summer could result in a lot more players declaring for the NBA draft this year regardless of where they may go.

by NoOceanJustLakers on Mar 1, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

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