Signing Day Reflection On UCLA's Class: Game Changing Ramifications In LA's Recruiting Landscape
Let's sort through the euphoric madness from yesterday which exceeded all of our wildest imagination here on BN. From all accounts it looks like UCLA not only signed a Top-10 class (according to the evaluations of both Scout.com and Rivals.com) but also succeeded in altering the recruiting landscape in city of Los Angeles, staking out its own territory in the Southland. There is no doubt left in terms of the progress Rick Neuheisel has made in two years in the world of recruiting as he looks to be solidifying a strong foundation of a rejuvenated football program.
Let's start with the top lines from Coach Neuheisel on his latest recruits from Westwood:
"Today we signed another fine recruiting class and I am excited about our future," said Neuheisel. "I think we addressed several of our needs, especially on the defensive line, and added depth at several positions. I also feel we again upgraded our speed. Our staff worked extremely hard to identify, recruit and sign a class that we expect will enjoy great success as Bruins, both on and off the field. When you add this group to the young men we have recruited over the last two years, it gives us a great foundation for the future."
Thirteen of the new Bruins earned All-America honors from one publication or another. Running back Malcolm Jones, defensive lineman Owamagbe Odighizuwa, place kicker Kip Smith and offensive lineman Chris Ward earned Parade All-America honors. Smith was also a USA Today first-team All-American while Jones and Odighizuwa were second-team selections.
The 22 seniors who signed with UCLA comprise a class which is now ranked No. 8 nationally by Scout.com and Rivals.com and No. 10 by ESPNU and AOL Fanhouse. Obviously we are still waiting to hear from 2 or 3 more players, who I will get to below the fold. For now though the most important take away from yesterday was how Neuheisel has completely changed the recruiting zeitgeist in Los Angeles.
Vincent Bonsignore from the Daily News noted how under CRN UCLA is no longer backing down in street fights with Hello Kiffin's "Trogans" (emphasis added throughout):
If Wednesday's national letter of intent signing day proved anything in Los Angeles, it's that UCLA is no longer afraid to go toe-to-toe with USC for the best players in Southern California.
Nor with the rest of the country for the kind of program-altering talent needed to compete at the highest levels - even if it means waiting until signing day for the outcome to be decided.
More importantly, Rick Neuheisel and his staff showed just enough gumption to actually beat out their crosstown rivals for the type of impact players USC had a stranglehold on the past decade.
Four different players came into Wednesday torn between the Bruins and Trojans - in itself a small victory for Neuheisel's crew - and two of them picked UCLA.
The significance is that in years past, the Bruins typically backed off guys USC showed intense interest in, figuring their chances in a head-to-head battle with the mighty Trojans were so slim, they would be wasting their time.
And because of that, they might have cost themselves with players they actually had a shot with.
It was a prudent mind-set, but hardly a winning one.
To beat the best you have to compete with them at every turn, and it starts on the recruiting trail.
While the score from yesterday was 2-2, the season score was 9-9 between Bruins and "Trogans". From Jon Gold's report in the Daily News:
"If you would've told UCLA at the beginning of the day that they'd lose a couple key guys, they would've expected some of the guys they signed," said Scout.com West region recruiting manager Brandon Huffman of the Bruins, who finished the day with the recruiting site's sixth-rated class. "The final tally ended up being nine-to-nine in terms of both teams offered. It's a fascinating number - it's never been that close.
"Considering how it started with Heimuli to Oregon and Di Poalo to 'SC, they rallied."
Again to put it all in perspective CRN has pulled this off after winning only 4 games his first season (with a 3rd string QB playing with a one legged RB behind a shattered OL) and then scratching and clawing to win 7 in his second. Next year is going to be tough with a difficult OOC. However, if the Bruins manage to pull off a winning season in the Pac-10, it will only keep boosting the incredible momentum CRN has ginned up during these past two and half years and get us even more excited during next recruiting season. More after the jump.
Ramona Shellburne from tWWL noted how "determination" was the key factor in UCLA's recruiting success under CRN:
That determination is part of the reason why the Bruins ended up netting the No. 10-rated class, according to ESPN's rankings.
It's also one of the biggest differences between UCLA under Neuheisel compared to previous regimes.
"I heard they didn't really come out here much with Marc [Tyler] and Jimmy [Clausen]," Marsh said of the prized 2006 class at Oaks Christian. "But it wasn't like that with me at all. They recruited me really hard."
Neuheisel said that making inroads into area powerhouses such as Oaks Christian -- which yielded Marsh and this year's Gatorade Player of the Year, running back Malcolm Jones -- and Mater Dei in Santa Ana -- which produced offensive lineman Chris Ward -- was one of the Bruins' goals this year.
"That goes back to the concept of territory," Neuheisel said, referencing a statement he'd made last week about there being "an opportunity to claim this territory" because of Carroll's departure.
"There's no question those are big-name operations, well-respected programs, and the head coaches there are icons in the industry. So to go in there, and be successful, bodes well for our future."
Thanks to CRN our recruiting present is in a kind of situation where we don't have to look over at Southern Cal's class to feel good about the kids coming into Westwood (then again on the surface words coming out of "Trogans" and Bruins speak for themselves in terms of the kind of kids signed by both schools).
In terms of loose ends, on our current commit list, we still haven't received LOIs from Rykeem Yates and Julious Moore. As far as I know, both of them are committed to UCLA. When academic issues emerged with regards to Moore, he thought about taking official trips to schools like Washington State but never ended up doing it. Perhaps he will work on getting his issues resolved and do what it takes to get into Westwood (kind of like Taniela Maka, last year's LB recruit has been doing this season to get in this Spring). As for Yates, I have heard he might be contemplating a decision to come in as a greyshirt but nothing has been finalized yet. Again, hoping it all works out for him.
As for Marquis Jackson, his actions and words are kind of telling. All on a sudden in the last moment he decided to take a trip to Southern Cal in the last official recruiting weekend, and then proclaimed he was still committed to UCLA:
For Jackson, the bottom line was whether or not the USC visit could change his mind about his UCLA commitment.
"I just wanted feeling how I felt when I was at UCLA," Jackson said, adding that he would be sticking with his decision to sign with the Bruins on Wednesday. "I'm going to call the 'SC coaches a little later and let them know."
That was from WeAreSC.com on January, 31. Then it all changed yesterday on SCPlaybook.com:
"Yes, I committed to USC," said Jackson. "Something came up at UCLA and I had to find another school. And it will probably be a blessing because I really do want to play with my brother.
Even though Marquis is not saying it in public, Jon Gold has already reported that the issue was academics and noted that Jackson "did not have the option of signing with UCLA." All that said, note despite his "commitment" Marques also hasn't sent in his LOI to Southern Cal. So we will see how it resolves.
For now though, as mentioned up top we are sitting at a pretty good place with the kids already in the fold and the two more who might join us later. All of these celebration, don't even take into account the two key transfers - Josh Smith and Jospeh Fauria - who will be ready for game action next season.
So to sum it up, enjoy the afterglow of an amazing day. I think we need to realize that Rick Neuheisel is not going to undo everything Cheatey Petey built through his web of (alleged) corruption overnight. However, in two years he has changed the entire recruiting game in Southern California. He has the Bruins fighting in every corner of Southern California and is not hesitating to take the fight across state lines going up against other elite schools in the country.
Rick Neuehisel might not be winning all of the recruiting battles right now but in two years he has the Bruins winning our fair share. This is just the beginning. Next step for us to shower this program with our support and enthusiasm during upcoming spring football practices and scrimmage. Those of you who are out in Southern California need to head out over there this spring and fill up Spaulding and gin up the excitement level even more. This will only help recruiting efforts for next season, get the good vibes flowing into summer camp and fall season. Hopefully all of that will then translate into another solid season leading into another fantastic signing day. Rick Neuheisel is clearly doing his part to change the game in Los Angeles, time for the thousands of Bruins all across Southland to step up ... or should I say show up.
GO BRUINS.
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On Jackson
he told Scout that “something came up with UCLA” at around 11:30 AM, which, coincidentally, was the time that Owa made his announcement.
So, either Marquis was a UCLA academic casualty (and thus would be welcome to the Trogan family), or maybe he just didn’t want to compete. Maybe both.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Hmm
Didn’t even think about that coincidence. I think it’s interesting that he didn’t even send his LOI into Heritage Hall even though he had the entire afternoon. Something is really weird.
LOI
it’s my understanding that since he is a JUCO that he doesn’t need to send in a LOI. I could be wrong on that though.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
What's up Bruin Nation?
I joined a few days ago to wish you guys luck yesterday, but couldn’t start posting until today. I’m a Tennessee fan, so you know I want you guys to start running LA. Congrats on a huge day yesterday! I really believe with the coaching staff you have in place, and “X”(as TN fans call him) in with CPC out, you guys can really shift the balance. You have a lot to be excited about. I guarantee you have a lot of new fans. Good luck moving forward!
"You can observe a lot just by watching."-Yogi Berra
Congrats to the Vols
For an awesome class yesterday as well. I was rooting for you guys hard. I really like Dooley.
Thanks everyone...
I can tell you most people around here were pretty damn happy about the class we were able to pull in all things considered. If you haven’t really kept up with Tennessee’s recruiting in the weeks since Lame and Co. left, you’d be surprised at how many recruits said they didn’t want to come to TN just because of how shady and disrespectful Lame and Ogre were. While they’re leaving definitely hurt us, I’m glad we have someone with some morals and respect for the traditions of the school. Anyways, I’m glad that those of you who made the trip to Knoxville this past season enjoyed your stay and that everyone was hospitable. Hopefully the NCAA will grow a pair and finally put the hammer on $c and level the playing field(I don’t mean that you guys need the NCAA to keep up, but it’s hard to keep up when the other guys are paying their athletes and providing them with cars). Alright guys, I’ll be around.
"You can observe a lot just by watching."-Yogi Berra
Hey Diceman,
I, for one, was really glad to see you guys kept the vast majority of your class together, despite Lame and the Ogre and their weaselness, and ended up with a great recruiting class yesterday.
You can look back through Bruins Nation here to see how much love there was for the Tennessee faithful, based on the amazing hospitality your fans showed the Bruins who travelled to Knoxville last fall. That, along with our shared hatred for Kiffy and his minions at $c*, will make us root hard for your success as well.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Hey welcome to BN good luck next year… Btw big Bruce pearl fan
by Marine bruin on Feb 4, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Diceman
We were really impressed with the hospitality and passion Vol fans have for college football. It was a great game last year and we wish you guys some serious fortune in the upcoming campaign. I hope we can make Kiffy’s life miserable for your enjoyment.
As for CRN, what can I say coach, we appreciate the fine job you and your staff are doing.
I think his academic problems are at the ncaa level
Not merely the UCLA level
CRN and Staff Did Great
Its great to be in the top 10 again for recruiting, and we filled some need as well. It still rankles me that SUC still recruits well with sanctions pending and an untried baby coach.
Money has strange effects on people.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
So do lies
It is IMPERATIVE that we beat U$C* at the Rose Bowl this year. Absolutely crucial.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Not what I meant
Of course you are right.
I mean in terms of recruiting. We’ve been losing to U$C* and were still able to get an awesome class and steal some of their players. But winning this year will put some nails on Lamey’s coffin and keep our momentum going. And, I can’t stand Lame. I really can’t. He is what would come out if Petey had sex with the devil. He is Lumberg. He should have hooves.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Ah, got it
Didn’t really see that context. I actually think it’s more important for recruiting to win more overall. Of course beating SUC is crucial, but to take things to the next level, we have to prove that we have the potential to be national level contenders on the field, and beating SUC isn’t enough to do that.
Beating SUC
should be the cherry on top of a good season.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
the resemblance
is striking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Dp_DMAQAg
how can anybody even want to talk to this guy?
by Captain Leebeard on Feb 4, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'm gonna need you
to go ahead and come in on Saaaaturday. Yeah. And while you’re at it, why don’t you come in on Sunday too. Yeeah.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
The greatest thing I've heard today.
We just had a MONSTER recruiting class, but this is the sweetest thing I’ve seen/heard today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exVmF-AyTnM&feature=fvw
……Get this kid CRN!!! It would be AMAZING!!!
Nice that we got in there early with the questionaire.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Saw a BSPN program on him
He is really a great kid and his father has been awesome. It would absolutely be a coup if CRN landed him. I expect him to go to Oklahoma though…just my gut feeling.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
you think barry would let his kid go to the rival?
Across The Face
Under CRN and staff, we are back in many ways ---
but the game will not “change” until we win on the field.
I am thrilled with this class.
Just as I was with CBH’s class two years ago.
Recruiting victories are nice. They are important. But, they are the start of the journey, not the end.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Feb 4, 2010 7:10 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The recruiting "game" is part and parcel of college football
Folks who are addicts of this game will be shortsighted to diminish that point. The point that game has changed in that arena is a big deal and it’s lack of competition in that arena that directly impacted the mediocre results in last decade of UCLA football.
Yup
Bill Parcells said something to the effect that they expect me to make the meal without shopping for the groceries. Our talent level during the CTS years took a nose dive. Instead of fighting for the best guys, CTS constantly settled for whomever he could get. CRN instead has said that he’s ready to fight suc on every street corner and he is winning more than his fair share. Recruiting is also important towards the perception of a program as well as for momentum purposes. You get a Malcolm Jones and other kids start wondering what is the big deal. Malcolm was in the ear of many of our recruits and you can see the snow ball effect it had on the class.
CRN will get it done on the field and we’ll all see UCLA FB fulfill its potential as a program. There are too many built in advantages for UCLA and there is nobody better at communicating this vision than CRN.
Not more than his fair share!
That’s yet to come! If you ask me, it’s Lame Kitten who’s getting more than his fair share of recruits. It is still beyond me what he tells them to get to go play there, but I suspect it’s something along the lines of “you’ll get tons of playing time, you’ll never have to study, and you’ll never be short on cash.”
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Also as discussed yesterday
The comparison between football and basketball recruiting is not always perfect and applicable. It is foolish to diminish the impact of recruiting by pointing to Howland’s class 2 years ago, since it doesn’t take into account players like AA, JF, RW, DC, LRMAM and of course KL who were results of tenacious and strategic recruiting by Howland staff at the time often spearheaded by recruiters such as Kerry Keating. So to downplay it like that is not a holistic way to look at the big picture and all aspects of the program.
hey, N
I’m sure this has been posted somewhere already, but could you (or anyone else reading this) point me towards our recruiting class rankings over the past some number of years? I’d be interested in seeing how our results have mapped to our recruiting rankings (say, as a function of the rankings of the junior class, or a mix of the senior and junior rankings)
Agree
Yesterday, someone posted our 2004 recruiting class which consisted of predominantly 3* recruits – quality guys with a lot of heart but they were 3* guys for a reason.
The quality of the last 2 recruiting classes has already started to show up on the field. As I have said before, IMO we will improve somewhat next year with 2011 our breakout year. And, with the success of this recruiting class, there should be no dropoff in 2012.
On another note, one of ESPN’s recruiting guys, Tom Luginbill, was on Cowherd this morning. He reported that although Seantrel Henderson is a verbal commit to $C, his Dad says he will not sign his LOI until after the toejams face the NCAA later this month. I checked on rivals.com and their list of $C commits confirms Henderson is committed but not signed.
Also
note that in 2007 UCLA wasn’t ranked in recruiting…how’d we do the last 3 years?
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
10th, 5th, 8th on Scout
but I note that the 2008 class had two 5-stars according to Scout:
Rahim Moore
and
(drumroll)
Kevin Craft.
I’ll stop sticking up for KC as a warrior making the best of limited skills based on that assessment… though he did outperform our last 5-star QB, Ben Olson, and two of the 4-stars we’ve had since the 2002 class (Matt Moore and Chris Forcier)
by britishbruin on Feb 4, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
i have
nothing negative to say about craft. no, he was not the most gifted quarterback, and he didn’t get great results. Who could have, with the state of that team? he was absolutely a kid with heart.
by Captain Leebeard on Feb 4, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
2007 was our smallest class in who knows how long
That was the Brian Price/Ayers class, which was too small to register highly, rated #36 by Scout, though with only 11 signees. In terms of quality (average star rating), it was actually in the top-10 nationally, but with that small of a size, the effect on the team’s overall talent was limited.
formerly bruinhoo
2007 average quality was the same as this year's class
The ‘07 class had a Scout.com average rating of 3.64 stars, while this year’s class has a 3.63 star average. The main difference being that the ‘07 class only had 11 players, so the increased quality of the class did not have a big effect on the overall talent level of the roster. The 24 players (23 + Julious Moore) in this year’s class represent a far greater share of the team.
formerly bruinhoo
Which goes to show
that with the kind of recruits KD “brought in” in prior years, which were at least top 25, he should have done far better. Kind of what we had been saying all throughout the reign of error.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Yup.
Also, stars are knd of misleading. Some of our 3 stars have huge upside, hopefully a higher percentage of these kids will also develope to to be elite pac-10 players. Just seems before we would take any decent kid, but now we’re more selective on what the system needs.
Lame is now a psychic!
From the LA Times this morning, emphasis added.
Trojans Coach Lane Kiffin said that in the three years since he last recruited for USC, not much had changed in the players that choose the Bruins over the Trojans. “I watched it over the weekend, just to see if it’s the same, and it’s really still the same,” he said. “I guess we waste time continuing to recruit them. We know within the first 10 minutes whether they’re the type of guys that want to play here or there.”
I imagine that if they take a bribe, there sc guys. If they show integrity and refuse the bribe, they are wasting their time.
Wont criticise the Evil Empire's recruits but
Our guys SHINED yesterday. Seems like we added guys that we will be proud to call
Bruins for a long time.
The comparison you have posted is telling
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Feb 4, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
The interviews of our guys
Revealed the enthusiasm they had for the program. They conducted their interviews in an articulate manner, and many showed a very intelligent approach when asked about the recruiting process. As an added bonus, I’m willing to bet that they all know how to spell “Bruins”.
Great
In the future, Lamey, just back off the guys like Riley and Shirley, and we’ll take ’em.
by Give me a B... on Feb 4, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
What an a hole kiffen is. Yea it’s exactly the same except ucla won more than a few recruting battles. The kids who choose ucla show class and have the abilty to read and wright. I can’t wait till this guy has to do what we all know he can’t do coach.
by uclamike on Feb 4, 2010 7:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Don't be a trogan
Write is right. Wright is a brother that can fly.
by Gen2Bruin1987 on Feb 4, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
I'm thinking Cheaty didn't only run away from the ncaa...
I think he saw what CRN was doing on the recruiting field, and he didn’t want to compete.
I would like to think so, but . . .
I think it boils down to NCAA sanctions and his need to preserve his so called record. That being said, I would not be surprised if after say 5 years of NFL mediocrity and the lifting of sanctions at USC, he comes back to replace Tame Kitten and “revive” Trogan football.
Actually, I would love to see that. I would love to see CRN rub his nose in it once he as established our program at the national level going recruit for recruit against Cheat Carroll.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
Will it really take that long?
I doubt he’ll last more than three years, two seems more like it.
Then he will try to come back or if south central is still to toxic, he will try to broadcast until he can find a place to land.
I hate Petey But
I don’t think he feared CRN as a recruiter. Petey won two recent national championships, and CRN’s won loss record has been poor. I am so glad we are recruiting against Lame, but I am astounded that they continued to do so well. When we win, we will also win the recruiting battle. Getting two years of very good players is a start. Price’s performance on the field and his anticipated high draft placement was very good for recruiting.
A comment and a question
Great progress over the last few years on recruiting. We still need to continue to raise the bar in recruiting over the next few years as well. That should be possible as the on field situation improves with the added talent. But this year the Evil Empire held on to its recruits and ended with a strong recruiting class. I like ours better but they had a strong class. We will need to continue to build to get into the elite program level.
Question: What is a grey shirt?
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Feb 4, 2010 7:59 AM PST reply actions
I had the same question
the answer here
says that grey shirting is delaying enrolment until the 2nd semester of what would be your first year in the program. In our context, I guess that gives a highschool or juco kid an extra quarter to meet UCLA academic requirements?
Its not always academics
Sometimes the school just does not have enough scholarships for that particular year. We had that situation last year with Jared Koster. We did not have enough scholarships for all of the players that committed so he started school last month.
In addition
Grey shirting is what HS seniors do when they leave HS in January to begin school immediately in order to qualify for Spring ball (i.e. Pressley & Brehaut). They don’t count against the books as a scholarship yet as long as they keep their course load below a certain number of units (I believe they have to pay for schooling out of their own pocket/financial aid). So actually, these students get another half of a year in the program.
formerly Westwood78
by PhoenixBruin on Feb 4, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
actually
enrolling early to participate in spring ball is typically referred to as “green shirting”.
by Captain Leebeard on Feb 4, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
CRN's Comments on QB and WR Recruits
In his press conference yesterday CRN said when Nottingham shifted to Stanford, it hurt us, because by then all the top-tier QBs were already spoken for, so they skipped that position entirely, but will press hard next year.
Also said similar things about WR — that looking at this class, the one position he would’ve liked to see more of was WR, but that next year we should have no trouble attracting top-flight WR’s.
Development of the O-line and Prince behind it...
…. will be key. If CNC and CRN can demonstrate they can put together an o-line our QBs are safe behind, and Prince/Brehaut develop into good/great QBs behind it, that will be the pitch next year.
Also, the QB class this year was rumored to be rather thin anyhow.
Go Bruins!
next year
Next year is huge for us at QB and WR.
by RealisticBruinFan on Feb 4, 2010 8:14 AM PST reply actions
QB and WR
The top QB’s have yet to identify themselves but we’ll start to hear about them after the summer camp circuit. As for WR, there are 4 elite names to watch out for out west: Devon Blackman (chatter that he is a UCLA lean), Victor Blackwell (chatter that he is a suc lean), George Farmer (arguably the top WR in the country and chatter that he is a suc lean) and Kasen Williams (his brother was Curtis Williams when CRN was the HC at UDub). UCLA will be a very attractive destination as 4 WR’s will be graduating after the 2011 season.
I'll be interested to see if kitten can "stack" talent
on the bench like Peetey did. At some point kids have to figure they won’t play.
sjh
It'll be hard..
..I should think. frankly, I am surprised that he/they got the kids they did with the supposed impending NCAA axe about to fall.
God, it's great to be a Bruin!
Can Riley go at SS?
or is he mainly FS?
Free Brandon Wood!
Defensively...I'd have to say he could play both
but He even said CNC was discussing a specific package just for him like a wildcat…So he is more an athlete than anything else at the moment
I ask because...
If he has ability to play SS – he may be able to get on the field faster with Moore at FS right now. Scout has Riley listed at 6’1" 195 and per the Buins website Love is 6’4" 210 lbs, and Dye is 5’11" 199.
I wasn’t sure if there are any hardcore LA area recruiting junkies that would know if he is able/willing to transition to SS at college level.
Free Brandon Wood!
It will be always tough to compete with SC
Because of the academic requirements, SC will get a lot of the good athletes with poor grades. Even with that handicap, we did good yesterday. Tennessee is another good example, they attract a lot of good players with bad grades on all sports. Let’s face it, we will always have this limitation. As Owa said, academic is #1 and athlete #2. I wish this country has more intellegent kids like Owa for us to attract.
CRN embraces the challenge and we will see about Lamey
Standards matter and I am happy that CRN is getting seemingly great guys. Once heard Toledo talk and he mentioned that there were 2 issues about academic standards: 1) getting the guy into UCLA and 2) keeping there and keeping them happy there. He had concluded (or at least was positioning) that lowering the standard wouldnt work because the players would not be happy in an academically oriented university like UCLA. While the messenger may have had challenges, the message makes sense to me.
Glad CRN embraces the challenge.
And the question is: can the other guys keep it up? This class was locked and loaded awhile ago. Lamey kept them in tow. But can he keep the recruiting up over time…with sanctions announced and without Cheatey to have locked them in.
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Feb 4, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
In my books, academics comes first
I would never sacrifice academics for sports. Education is #1, no question about it. In fact, I hate to let kids stay only one or two years and then go pro. Why should we give up two spots for someone who didn’t want to earn a degree? I like NCAA enforce some regulations about restricting this kind of happenings. It is a matter of fairness. Most important of all, we don’t want kids to have a false hope to turn pro.
by NNL on Feb 4, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
In a perfect world, maybe...
But in this world, a professional athlete looses one year of their peak level salary for every year they stay in college beyond the minimum.
I love UCLA, the academics and the research are great but you can’t tell me that any real university won’t provide a suitable undergraduate education. One thing my father (UCLA alumni) says is that you get as much out of school as you put in.
If AA2 had gone to any decent four year school I would still expect to see him in Cameroon politics at some point.
I can’t fault any kid for taking the money when it’s more than I might make in my entire life. In fact, with the poor season our basketball team is having, Jrue Holiday’s decision is actually looking kind of smart. He didn’t show me anything that makes me think he could have made the team very much better.
Not as big a deal in football
The kids have to stay at least 3 years, mostly because of the physically demanding nature of the NFL. At least the NFL was smart enough to put that rule in. After 3 years, for the most part you can tell which kids are meant to play professionally and at that point they would be missing out on a big payday for one year of their life. Not sure how much a degree makes sense for them, particularly after the latest report just came out showing the decreasing salary gap between high school graduates and college graduates…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Another thing,
There is nothing stopping an athlete from completing their education after or during their professional career. Troy Aikman did it…
One injury can cost an athlete millions. I think they should go when they are ready and I still can’t fault a kid for grabbing something that I couldn’t resist. Education is starting to become an excuse for some fans but isn’t it all really about what is best for the kid?
I agree
Took me years to realize that money is not the measure of the man.
“Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not”—Protagoras
In a more practical sense I would bet that those who left school early lost more money to stupid deals and just being unable to judge character. I believe such skills are enhanced by education as well as the resulting social skills that come with it. Maybe there is a study out there?
*I* ran over George Tirebiter.
by Bruins102NCAA on Feb 4, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
That CRN embraces the challenge
and still comes up with back-to-back Top 10 recruiting classes is another why he was a great hire. I am confident that improvement on the field will continue to follow.
Lamey and his motley crew will probably continue to recruit well for the next couple of years. Call me skeptical but I don’t see the NCAA stepping up in any meaningful way to punish $C. The question is can he coach – can he manage players and a staff. I think not.
I heard Lamey say that $C got everyone they wanted this year. What a crock. Everyone they got they may have wanted but what – they didn’t want Ronald Powell? Didn’t want Chaz Green? Didn’t want JShirley, JZumwalt, etc, etc, etc.
I was so sick of seeing Cheatey Pete’s face every time I watched local sports news and thought no one could approach his arrogance. But, Lamey is even more arrogant and has a 7-6 record in college to back up his mouth. And, that he takes credit for $C’s and Tennessee recruiting classes is also ridiculous.
The difference is
Petey at least backed up his arrogance.
Lame has done absolutely nothing in the world to justify being this arrogant. He is all talk and his ineptitude will become apparent, hopefully quickly, but not too quickly because I want him to be around at U$C* for a while so CRN can whip him around like a rag doll.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
HC Record
Lame Kitty 12-21 bowls 0-1
Rick Neuheisel 77-44 bowls 5-3
Yep, Kitty can cry and whine all he wants, cuz Daddy Kitty is still around to let him be all bipolar. I also hope Kitty stays around for a while to improve his record (ahem) (snicker).
Let’s ROLL BRUINS!
Falling forward
or ass backwards into head coaching positions.
Maybe he uses the Jedi mind trick. After all, he:
1. convinced Petey to dump CNC and make him OC
2. convinced Al Davis to make him HC (ok, that one wasn’t too hard…probably slipped him a rufi)
3. convinced Tennessee to make him HC
4. became HC at U$C* because…well, there was no one else.
5. convinced some recruits to come to U$C*.
I just don’t get it. He is one of the least charismatic people I have ever met. He never smiles, puts people down and says stupid things. Really, he has some kind of mind power, or excellent private investigators whom he can use to dig up dirt on potential employers…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
"I'm glad you called and told me (about comitting to the Trogans)"
“Now I’m going to recruit you even harder.”
-CRN to Dietrich Riley
I know it was posted before, but it seems like a really appropriate quote now.
Also, when it comes to players that were deciding between us and SUC, not sure they should get credit for keeping players that were committed to them that CRN got to second guess. As far as I’m concerned, that’s a no lose situation for us.
Recruiting @ UCLA
I could never understand why people always made lame excuses about UCLA not being able to recruit. We have one of the most beautiful campuses in the nation with a rich tradition of athletics and academic prowess.
We are in LA, one of the two biggest markets, play in the Rose Bowl (the finest stadium to play), weather that people would die for, adjacent to Bel Air (near Hugh Hefner’s place). Finally, it seems that we have a coach that can give recruits the real UCLA experience and understands that UCLA is the place to be!
Now
I cannot wait for Spring to see how far last year’s stellar recruiting class has come. Who has stepped it up and put on the muscle and maturity necessary to fill gaps in the roster and push for starting time. How much better will the O Line be next year. Will we be able to run the ball, yet? Pass blocking was adequate last year, but should be better, too. I can’t wait to see the players on the team improve. This class will not have as much impact this year as it will in two or three. Some guys for sure will step up immediately, but I want to see how much our top/four star recruits from last year have progressed. What has Golper done to improve in his redshirt year? Will Keenan Graham be able to produce on the DE? Will Hasiak return with a vengeance? Can Allmond be a stud FB? Can Marlon Pollard be a four star starter at CB? How much improved will Pressley and Carroll be with a year under their belts? Who will be the O Line studs? So MUCH can happen, and it is the season to season progression that makes these stellar recruiting classes turn into top 10 teams. I can’t wait to see how things pan out. It is GREAT to be a Bruin!
Carroll was a big dissappointment
With that speed, he should have been a factor. The OL continued improvement may give Prince more time to throw, which will allow us to go deep. Carroll’s attitude a big question.
He's a freshman
so I cut him some slack. At programs like U$C*, they would cater to his attitude. Quick results, poor long-term outlook. At UCLA, they try to mold him into a man. It takes a little longer but the results are far better.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
+1
a freshman, didn’t know the playbook, a bit of an attitude… You can’t call him a disappointment after one year in which he didn’t see the field much. give him a few and we’ll see.
by Captain Leebeard on Feb 4, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with Nestor on this point ...
Josh Smith and John Fauria are in my mind part of this class because they will be eligible to play for us next year. I think both guys are important players.
Hate to dredge up the past on a great day, but Logan Paulsen did not have a great year for us last year. He dropped passes and he also seemed to be a personal foul penalty waiting to happen. We need Fauria and Pressley (is it Presley?) to step up.
We also need more out of the wide receivers. Smith looks like a really good player. We need some new guys in the mix at receiver, whether it’s Smith or Carroll or Jerry Johnson or someone. We especially need deep threats.
CNC and CRN - A New Beginning
I am excited to see this year’s offense in action.
I think a hidden blessing in the “will Chow go or will he stay” drama is that I bet the two men had a serious discussion about the future of this team and how the offense is being run, and if there were any frustrations on CNC’s part over CRN’s stepping in and yelling at his QB’s, or holding back on the playbook — I bet those were addressed and resolved.
Can’t wait to see the resolution on the field.
So Incredibly Exciting
Simply amazing what CRN and his staff was able to accomplish yesterday. The foundation is being laid for a fantastic future, IMHO.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Feb 4, 2010 10:35 AM PST reply actions
Riley's Recruitment and Commitment An Important Sign
Let’s face it. This is the type of player the Bruins would never have had a chance with just a few years ago. He was destined to go to SC (and probably would have if Carrol had not left). His commitment to UCLA speaks volumns to CRN’s tenacity and determination to never back down to a challenge from the Trojans.
It can’t be stated enough how important it is for UCLA to be able to land so many elite players from the area. The monoply on the field is not over but the monoply for the top talent in L.A. definitely is.
Rich Ramus
With Smith transferring to Ucla
What about his cousin or nephew? Darell Scott the RB. I heard he is trying to transfer to UCLA also? Is that true?
Word was that he tried
But no real interest from our staff. Personally, I think he would be a great add, but we have so many TB’s there is no real reason to use a scholarship on a guy who might not even play. It’s really a shame that he didn’t commit to being a Bruin to begin with.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 4, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Late targets?
If Jackson is going to SUC, and Moore does not qualify, are there any potential late addition targets?
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 4, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions
I don't think we have any scholarships left
I assumed thats the reason they were asking Yates to greyshirt. But if we do, Seantrel Henderson might be available around February 19th
I'm sorry, I have no desire for us to take a kid
who wouldn’t commit to Ohio State because Jim Tressel was too detailed and boring. He sounds like a brat and a moron. Jim Tressel is a fine coach, better than anyone Seantrel can expect to deal with at USC. But apparently, Tressel’s class and intelligence were a turn off. Don’t want him at all.
I hope our coaches
don’t make any lame rap references when recruiting, like the one supposedly made by the OSU assistant in that article. Still, valid point about Tressel. He is not there to entertain, they are supposed to talk football and the kid’s education.
To anybody who might be stinging from Heimuli, Nottingham, etc
Keep in mind that our two most exciting, last-second recruits last year were Hasiak and XSF.
Though I’m hopeful, we might never see either of them in uniform again.
Who knows how good Nottingham will turn out to be. Heimuli is supposed to go on his mission after freshman year, which means he wouldn’t have made a real impact for 3 years assuming he even returned. Jackson kind of hurts because as a JC guy he should’ve had an immediate impact, but the point is there are many reasons not to get worked up by the ones that slipped.

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