[UPDATE] UCLA Guard Malcolm Lee Appears To Blast Ben Howland On Twitter
UPDATE (N): The tweet below has now been deleted. No explanation yet. Also I would note the overwhelming majority of his previous tweets were all about basketball.
This was posted on Malcolm Lee's twitter just 12 hours ago:
Needless to say this raises a lot of questions about the UCLA basketball program under Ben Howland. What is going on over here? This is not the first time Malcolm Lee has taken a shot against Howland. He basically called out the coaching staff for poor preparation against the Trogans. We have also seen other issues with lack of communication emerge in this team earlier during this dreadful season.
We were led to believe Drew Gordon was a bad apple (he sure acted like it). However, what explains this statement?
I have said it before and will say it again. The way Howland has managed his rotation this year leads to lot of questions. He has no doubt coddled Nikola Dragovic game after game, who hasn't showed any kind of sincere commitment to play defense, while using the quick hook for all other guys. His handling of Mustafa Abdul-Hamid's minutes hasn't made a lot of sense either since Hamid emerged into the scene.
Now Lee's twitter hints at something possibly deeper within Howland's program. We already heard rumors about the delusional feelings around his camp of pimping him as some kind of pro material. However, his tweet is troubling. Something is not right and it is going to be interesting to hear what explanation we get for this.
GO BRUINS.
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I have to wonder...
…how much of this griping is new among these players, and how much of it has been present, but is just getting from players to the public more easily because of Twitter.
by Westwood Wizard on Feb 5, 2010 12:04 PM PST reply actions
Also, if this is a shot at CBH
It’s after a win, putting them at the top of the conference (albeit, pathetically weak). Weird timing to say the least
WTF, another Jrue?!
I think a lot of players kept their mouths shut when the team was having success. I guess when the going gets tough, players like Jrue, Drew, and ML starting bitching.
link now shows
“This person has protected their tweets”
something about stable doors and having-bolted horses…
Is it further protected now, or can you see what it says currently?
Sorry, not a “tweeter” (?)
by bruinhopeful on Feb 5, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
There has been no update since that tweet went up
UCLA officials are looking into this. If there is an explanation or apology from Lee, I will obviously post it.
Thanks man
I didn’t know if there were levels of protection on twitter…like private messages to select few, etc.
Gracias
JF and DC
had no problem playing and flourishing under CBH’s offense. TH almost just had a triple double. Can Malcolm Lee really argue that he is not solely responisble for his shooting slump? I mean CBH can’t shoot your 3’s for you Malcolm
Troy is burning
by bruinbasketball on Feb 5, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions
ML is a wimp
Don’t blame others for your failure. 3-29 from 3 pt range in Pac-10 play is Howland’s fault, I’m sure. These sophomores are a complete joke. Good luck in the NBA developmental league/Sacramento State, Malcolm.
totally agree
You can’t blame the system for bricks like ML is laying. I like ML and think he’s doing a decent job despite being no scoring threat whatsoever the past several games, but you don’t air personal grievances like that in public.
by RealisticBruinFan on Feb 5, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Twitter is a cancer
We have said this before on BN, but nothing good ever comes from these “tweets.” When was the last time you saw something positive…maybe something praising another teammate? These guys are such babies. Jrue Holiday was exactly the same.
Time to clean house…except for the freshmen.
Well Howland can be stubborn
So can yours truly. The traditional media in LA of course doesn’t have the basketball acumen to ask poignant questions about WTH is going on with how he has given so much time to Ragovic? Until we get an explanation from him, this is a topic I am going to come at with same tenacity I approached Dorrell.
Can't wait for mainstream LA media to figure this out...
… No,s eriously, i can’t wait, ‘cause I’m not sure they’ll EVER get it.
Agovic is just a Division 1 version of former Laker Brian Cook — guys who shoot from the ousside to spite their height, and play such horrible defense they couldn’t cover their own mouth while coughing.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Funny
ND reminds me of Vladimir Radmonovic. Same size, demeanor and streaky outside shot.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
At least Terry Teagle could drive to the hole
… and finish aggressively at the rim.
Agovic? Puh-leeze.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Again, we don't know context.
Is it because of him getting the starting PG role?
Is it because he’s ticked off at CBH for something?
Is it good or bad?
WE. DON’T. KNOW.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Context
Not the first time he has gone after the coaching staff. See the links I added to this post.
Context of this particular tweet.
Nothing on the face of this indicates that this related to the game itself. Until he gives up even a token explanation, I want to be careful to avoid merely “post hoc ergo propter hoc” logic — after something therefore because of something.
Devil’s advocate, I know, but still…
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Agreed
I feel like we are jumping the gun here and really do need the context if we are to analyze any of this. On the risk/reward scale, this one leans far more towards risk, IMO.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Feb 5, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
This particular tweet
Anyone who is in the basketball circle in high school/college level and have followed the narrative around Howland’s teams in the traditional media, will have no problem taking it in context. Lee I am sure knows that. If he doesn’t than he has a lower IQ than I previously thought.
Given their decision-making, I have no problem doubting players' judgment, believe me.
That being said, I won’t stand in the way of anybody blasting ML for it.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
good like
“I am so excited to rip apart the Cal defense, I’m like a caged pitbull chomping at the bit (if you will excuse the mixed metaphor)!”
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by britishbruin on Feb 5, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Everything on Twitter...
…is “out of context,” due to word limits. We are not going to see a dissertation on CBH’s philiosphy on Twitter. That doesn’t mean we should ignore what he might be insinuating. It still pisses me off because it’s very stupid of ML, regardless of its true meaning.
Context is everything
This could even just be about living in LA or going to school. We shouldn’t automatically assume that it has something to do with basketball.
If he is feeling like a "caged" tiger living in "LA" or being at "UCLA"
then he can talk to Rago and figure out whatever his plans are or find another school where he can get himself “unleashed” on his way to NABDL.
We make fun of the MSM when they report stories based on twitter.
by bruinponcho on Feb 5, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We are not "traditional media"
And I included plenty of context on why I made the interpretation above. Please don’t lecture us on what this place is supposed to be or not.
why is it deleted from his page now
If it was something good then why would he have it taken off already
Or...a relationship maybe
I’ll take the wait and see on this one until some other news breaks. 2 year gf or fun friend gone wrong? Could be anything really
by bruinhopeful on Feb 5, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
If its what we are thinking it is
I would expect a full cycle spin by the end of the day
by bruinhopeful on Feb 5, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
This doesn't deserve it's own post here
No reason to think that is a bash on Howland
I read it as him just talking about wanting unleash his potential
I’ve followed his twitter for a while now and he always posts things that seem like he is trying to motivate himself
by UCLABruins4Ever on Feb 5, 2010 12:12 PM PST reply actions
Don't tell us what to write again
Thanks.
You can explain away all you want but this is not the first time he has taken a shot at this coaching staff.
I'm waiting for facts, too, but don't say what "deserves" to be posted or not.
Take it easy.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
This is a non story
ML is frustrated with something. Maybe he just got done watching the Michael Vick Project on BET and empathizes with the cannines?
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
he has to realize
that words like “caged” and “chain” are pretty negative
Troy is burning
by bruinbasketball on Feb 5, 2010 12:14 PM PST reply actions
Kids think a lot of things, some positive, negative and irrational too.
And that’s ok. But sometimes you gotta keep your thoughts to yourselves. Tweet does nothing but start drama. ML might as well have gone on Postgame Bruin Talk and called CBH out.
Kids?
Some might think labeling young men as kids is negative. It all depends on orentation and background. Personally, if you can die in war, you’ve earned the right to be called a young man.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Whatever you want to call them...
18-20some year olds can say some stupid shit, and the fact that the Army needs bodies does absolutely nothing to diminish that.
by b d on Feb 5, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
yep.
’they’re just kids’ – no, they are young adults who are lucky enough to have a free education based on their athletic ability, at an age when some number of other people are working full time in order to live or to contribute to a family.
Bring the drinking age down to 18 and stop pretending that people need to be 21 before they have full adult privileges in society.
It is about emotional maturity not chronological age
I remember what I was like when I was 18.
I have a brilliant 18 year old daughter. She is still 18.
Cut them some slack.
Let them make mistakes and then learn from them.
sjh
these 'kids' have been in the public eye for years and should be mature
I cut them slack for missing free throws under pressure, not for failings of character.
Emotional maturity?
Not these kids on CBH’s team. I look at these guys, who are fortunate enough to get a free education at one of the world’s elite universities, and just shake my head in frustration at their immaturity, sense of entitlement, and immaturity.
To think, many of ML’s peers aren’t enjoying that luxury: the many young men and women in uniform all over the world, doing what they can so ML can say the stupid things he says. You’re right 66, it’s not about chronological age, because a lot of folks the same age are doing it the right way, by being mature and responsible.
This sophomore class continues to disappoint. They were called the new Fab Five. More like the F**k-up Five.
Maybe wrong choice of word of "kids"
Don’t get hung up on it. Message is still the same, young man, youngsters (which CRN uses a lot). Doesn’t matter.
I was making a point...
It is all about interpretation and background. I think everyone would agree that age means nothing in regards to determining if one is mature.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
to be honest
this plays into my preexisting belief that that whole class got poisoned last year (for whatever reason – bad kids with sense of entitlement; poor handling by CBH; I don’t know)
Unclear how this becomes a discussion about CBH’s treatment of ND – I would understand that if MM/BL were the ones tweeting, or TH/RN were complaining about not getting enough minutes. ML has played major minutes in every game, and now has the added bonus of having the ball in his hands a lot. This tweet seems to reflect very poorly on ML, and indicates something about the atmosphere in the program, but I don’t see that this is an indictment of CBH.
Oh
Howland is directly responsible for the “atmosphere” in this program. It’s the reason why Dan Guerrerro fired Bob Toledo, just 4 years after his 20 game winning streak. Note I am not in any way advocating the firing of Ben Howland.
ultimately CBH is responsible for everything
he recruits the kids and handles them.
From what we have seen from JH and DG, with jury still sort of out on ML, I’m inclined to think he recruited the wrong kids – or recruited the wrong kids to come into the situation we had last year with three starting seniors.
To go along with the hypotheses about incriminating CBH/goat pictures, I wonder how far the loyalty of MR/JK/ND to CBH (and unquestioning buy-in to the system regardless of whether or not they are particularly effective in it) play into their playing time, with the highly touted sophomore class now relegated into handling point guard duties and pretty much nothing else, after starting the year at the 1,2 and 5.
by britishbruin on Feb 5, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
also
I know you’re counting down until the day we are rid of the seniors, N, but I have a lot more combined affection for MR, JK and ND than I do for the JH/DG/ML/JA/JMM quintet.
JH and DG have done their deeds. ML and JA seem petulant on the court and/or off it. I am neutral on JMM and willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
by britishbruin on Feb 5, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
I like MR and what he has done for UCLA
JK situation has been unfortunate because injuries and Howland’s mishandling of him stunted his development in Westwood.
right
not meaning to denigrate your opinions on this – just to add that I am almost as ready to be done with the sophomore class as you are done with the seniors.
by britishbruin on Feb 5, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Over all
This current team is just not very likable except for kids such as Honeycutt, Nelson, Hamid, and Roll.
I like JK too
He’s just not that talented unfortunately, but it doesnt diminish his effort game-in and out
by bruinhopeful on Feb 5, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
When it comes to JK
You cannot forget him taking off his redshirt halfway through a season to help out the team. JK has fallen short of expectations, but he’s worked his tail off and has always put the team first.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Feb 5, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
What?
Why are the players that represent our university “likable”? Because they have opinions? Because they have tatoos? Facial hair? Because they have underperformed according to al the various scouting services?
Everybody assumed JH was a one and done. He wasn’t the program changing guard fans hoped he’d be, but he did get what he wanted – a ticket to the NBA. Let’s not forget these young guys are being forced to play the obligatory year in college. If left to their own devices they’d just enter the draft directly out of HS.
DG butted heads with CBH. Does that make him a bad guy? I think it just makes him immature and selfish. But to label him a cancer and bad character is just an assassination on his character. It’s unfair and based solely on third hand accounts and what one deciphers from the media.
This team isn’t very good, but I’m not going to criticize these guys. Like it or not these are our Bruins. We should be pulling for these young men and hoping like all get out that they can beat Cal on Saturday and somehow navigate the remainder of the schedule. I don’t know any of these guys and can’t possibly tell how any of these guys think or feel from Facebook, Twitter or MySpace.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
You are a hypocrite
You come here to say this with a straight face:
It’s unfair and based solely on third hand accounts and what one deciphers from the media.
After you started your BN appearance by posting unsubstantiated rumors about Kevin Love.
The late Justice David Eagleson told me a story about his first day on the bench, and it should be followed by these kids
As he was about to preside over his first trial, an old timer came in from next door and told him to take a piece of paper, cut it into fourths, and write K on one, Y on another, M on the third and S on the fourth, and put the papers at each corner of the bench. It was to remind him what he should be doing – Keep Your Mouth Shut. He told me following that advice never got him in trouble.
I think those four pieces of paper should be given to every kid along with whatever it is that he tweeters on.
Great story Fox!
Facebook/twitter should be handled very, very carefully so as to not do anything dumb/open oneself to criticism.
by bruinhopeful on Feb 5, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Overblown
It seems like he made those comments out of frustration. It’s the fact that, he wants to break out of his shell and burst on to the scene. So far he hasn’t, but he knows he can. He’s feels frustrated in himself and it’s very unlikely he’s “blasting” Howland. It seems like you guys are making something out of nothing.
Sounds pretty dangerous
I mean, not only is this pitbull already in a cage, but he’s needs to be chained down to protect the cage!
Talk about finding a way into Ben Howland’s doghouse. rimshot
We should be careful how quickly we interpret things
Now obviously it’s pretty easy to see how this may be a rip on Howland – and for all I know, it could be – but I feel the same way as M and Rye. Honestly, he really could be talking about a million other things besides basketball. ML is my age – in the same year at school – and while i’m not a Pac 10 basketball player, there are plenty of thoughts and issues going through my head at the same time. If ML was thinking about some other issue he’s having – not including basketball – then this is just a harmless comment.
At the same time, maybe he’s trying to motivate himself (as mentioned somewhere above). Maybe he hasn’t been fully healthy and now he’s starting to feel 100%. Maybe he’s starting to get CBH’s trust as the lead guard and this is actually an endorsement of his coach. Maybe maybe maybe. The “caged pitbull on a chain” could mean a lot of different things in regard to basketball. My point is that obviously this can easily be taken as a shot at Howland – and maybe it is. But I think sometimes we (we meaning people in general) are too quick to make assumptions about other people’s words.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
Context
I included plenty of links that led me to the interpretation I made. If Lee doesn’t see that this tweet can be construed in terms of basketball, then he has lower IQ than what he displays on basketball court (which is a scary thought).
oh i definitely understand why it was taken in this context
so i don’t blame you guys at all. What I’m saying is that a 19 year old generally says what’s on his mind – even in a public atmosphere such as twitter. I don’t know if it would speak to his IQ or intelligence as much as to his age and maturity level. I know we expect these guys to act mature, but in all honesty, their still kids. Being the same age I understand where that’s coming from. It doesn’t excuse it, but it may explain it. And if the dumbest thing Lee does is post messages like this on twitter/facebook, then he’s doing ok in my book.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Feb 5, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Vacuums
To me, this quote could be about any number of things, so I don’t want to jump to any conclusions.
However, I can see how this can be interpreted as a shot at CBH and his program. As fans of that program, it’s fair for us to ask what ML really means by this tweet. But I’ll reserve any response until I know what he’s really saying.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
by gbruin on Feb 5, 2010 12:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wasn't he supposed to be the next lockdown defender?
Maybe he should have had a talk with AA last night.
The tweet could be 1000 different things. He could be self-motivating, talking about a girlfriend, not getting laid, his coach, his parents … whatever. These things just get blown out of proportion, but there really is nobody to blame but the tweeter. If you throw things out into a public forum, you have to understand that things are interpreted.
I am not sure how many people here played sports. Griping about a coach or style is nothing new. It happens in every locker room, win or lose. Players generally just learn to shut up when the team is winning. The problem with twitter is that it brings private gripes out into the open, but I assure you, there were gripes during the final four runs as well. If this tweet was a shot at the staff, ML needs to be put in his place. He needs to learn to choose his forum a little more wisely. That said, this things happen, and they are always going to happen.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 5, 2010 1:14 PM PST reply actions
Generational/Cultural Differences
I don’t think kids, today, take seriously what they post or how it is written.
Most of us grew up fearing a bad write up in a local newspaper and were appropriately cautious.
But, even if the LA Slimes had slimed us, the audience was somewhat narrow compared to the dissemination of messages on the web.
Tweets, Facebook messages, and the like, are ways to let off steam or express seat of the pants thoughts and not intended to be dissected by us old folks.
From our perspective this may seem to be stupid behavior — but these kids are not trying to communicate with us and probably don’t care what we think.
Let’s cut them some slack.
(Written by the father of an 18 year old who would go nuts if she thought I read her Tweets and Facebook stuff and analyzed if for content and style.)
sjh
by Class of 66 on Feb 5, 2010 1:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I am sure she has
and it has nothing to do with coaching.
She might use other words to express it — but I’m sure I have done things that have upset her and led to Tweets and Facebook posts.
She writes and speaks in the words of her relevant community — which is not adult centric.
Any parent who does not believe this is deceiving himself.
sjh
I'm sure
that I felt my parents were disrupting my ‘game’ when I was 18, and I certainly didn’t want to listen to any coaching…
Thanks for the perspective
I have two nephews ML’s age. They are good young men. Respectful, smart, going to college and they say things that make you shake your head. They mean nothing harmful or malicious, just stream of conciousness. I was probably guilty of the same things, just fortunate or unfortunate to not have the media available to express myself.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
That's so true
I have a feeling ML didn’t know the implications of the words he used. We may have read too much into it also. After all, these are really just kids, two years after high school. Sometime words coming out of their mouth don’t really quite correlate with unspoken ideas in their head.
Maybe I am naive or stupid
but I have no idea what he is talking about…
Why are we assuming this is basketball related? I have no idea wtf he is talking about….
I agree
i was warned and banned for saying the same thing
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
How were you banned?
If you are still posting? You were warned for taking shots at moderators. If you do it again or whine more you will be really gone.
four of his previous 5 tweets before that one
All had to do with hoops including an exchange with Reggie Moore from WSU:
# @Adaye5 yo daye waddup..i missed yo skype everything good 1:07 AM Feb 4th from web in reply to Adaye5
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@reggi3moore Stanford… 1:06 AM Feb 4th from web in reply to reggi3moore
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@stacieterry GOOD Luck!!! 1:05 AM Feb 4th from web in reply to stacieterry
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@reggi3moore lol bro i remember that place from last year..yall had grizzly bears and shit on yall campus smh who yall got 2mmr 12:53 AM Feb 4th from web in reply to reggi3moore
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@reggi3moore bahahaha juss had that last nite. yall aint got that in
@TashaButts lol ill let u no..good luck 2mmra!!! Tell stacy ima go rambo for 30 lol
Adaye is Austin Daye from Gonzaga. Reggie Moore is of course from WSU. And yes they are smacktalking each other, which is fine, but his feed is lot about hoops and very reasonable to assume he was talking about hoops.
I don't know Nestor
I think it is clearly possible he is talking about basketball, and possible he is referring to Ben Howland as someone who has kept him caged as a player and not let him be himself and play his style of game.
But that’s all I can see it as: a possibility.
He could be talking about something else as well.
I do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt more than most, so maybe I am being naive.
by silverlakebruin on Feb 5, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Still no update
Still no update from Malcolm Lee or “clarification” or explanation from anyone from the basketball program.
Lee is clearly aware of the issue since it was deleted. The fact that it is taking this long to come up with an explanation, shows there is something wrong.
Shouldn’t take this long to explain if it was something totally innocent.
The only thing a lack of explanation shows is that an explanation is lacking.
It doesn’t show that there is something right, wrong, or inbetween.
In fact, an explanation or clarification isn’t required, and the lack thereof does not define the innocence of the tweet.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 5, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don't mean that as a dig, I just don't agree that a lack of explanation is meaningful.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 5, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well
During the Chow fiasco Rosario tweeted something about him leaving. There was an immediate clarification. So there is precedence about UCLA getting his athletes to quickly clarify or explain a tweet when it is deemed controversial.
The fact that they are taking this long is telling to me.
But
In that case it was clear through the “tweet” that those remarks were regarding UCLA athletics. Regardless of strong our assumptions may be that Lee’s comments are about UCLA, they are still assumptions. Or not??
An explanation shouldn't take that long to provide
And it’s not that difficult to pass us that information. This tweet was already posted on other boards before it went up. Unlike here, people are not extending themselves to come up with explanations for Lee.
This is looking more and more like an incredibly selfish tweet. Selfish is the trait that can be used to described the entire incoming freshmen class of this past season.
Different situation, IMO
Rosario specifically mentioned Chow, and it was reported that he was using racially derogatory language. The tweet was overblown, but it definately warranted some explanation.
In this case, I’m not convinced that a) he was referring to basketball (although he most likely was) or b) that it’s a big deal even if it was referring to basketball. He didn’t name names, use slurs, and wasn’t specific enough to determine anything.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 5, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
No it is not different
This tweet can easily be interpreted as related to UCLA basketball. If it wasn’t problematic and if it was innocent, then Lee would have kept it up and provide the simple explanation.
Hmm
But it can also be easily interpreted as something else in Lee’s life right?
Then why did he delete it?
We already conveyed to UCLA folks we put up the explanation right away if there was an easy answer to it. It’s been almost 3 hours since this tweet was flagged. We are getting radio silence.
Well
It either had something to do with ucla or it didn’t. If it didn’t maybe he took it down so people wouldn’t think it was about ucla. if it was maybe he took it down cause he regretted it? either way, i don’t think its a big deal. lets judge Lee based on how he and our team goes out there and battles. his effort and determination should be clearly evident from his performance on court and not some vague tweet. GO BRUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The tweet is not "vague"
Given all the context around it. If you want to be in denial that’s your deal.
Your right
Perhaps its ambiguous and not vague. but I rather judge his demeanor from his effort on the court (which we see much more than tweets) than on some 80 characters on some blog.
Go Bruins!!!!!!!!
Sure, but look at the evidence:
1) Prior tweets all basketball related
2) 2 years in the program
3) Coming off a bad performance
4) Reports of team communication issues
5) No clarification tweet (like the NC/Rosario incident)
6) Deletion of tweet
7) DG issue
I understand your point
I just don’t agree that explanation is required in this instance. The tweet really doesn’t say much. And I don’t agree with arguments that a failure to deny equals an admission of guilt.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 5, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Given the context as ryc26 points to above
It says enough for me. I am going to trust my gut instincts here despite all the whining and complaining about it (just like we used to read from other sites when we were firing shots at Dorrell in the early months of BN).
Like I said, I understand
I think calling for an explanation based on ryc26’s points is one thing. I think the tweet is probably related to basketball. I think if the tweet is reported in the mainstream media, we will likely receive an explanation.
I just don’t agree that failure to explain the tweet is an admission in any way. And, I don’t think the tweet is that big of a deal.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 5, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Great if you don't think its "big of a deal"
No reason for you to keep commenting and blowing it up even more. Right?
quick clarification
It was Randall Carroll, not Rosario whose tweet was criticized for “racially derogatory language.”
by insomniacslounge on Feb 5, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
ML...
…Is part of the malcontent lame kitten bust of a recruiting class of 2008/09. The kid thinks he’s the bomb — but doesn’t realize he’s been a bomb. If he wants to leave, let him leave. Regardless of how Howland has managed (or, for the critics, mismanaged) the rotation, Lee has been a constant presence on the court, and Howland turned to him when we needed a PG.
He’s shown some promise this year and improved on many levels. I like seeing him on the court. But he still has so much to learn, including the simple things, like, say, dribbling and passing. And regardless of Howland’s f-ups this year (or during any year), it’s not the coach’s problem that this kid is on an 0 for 5,000 slump the past few games. I hope he stays and contributes. But if he wants to leave, I’ll personally buy him a ticket to New Mexico where he can join Overrated No. 1.
Enough already. The only person standing in the way of ML is ML.
Amen!
I was excited heading into this season to watch him, as I really thought he’d shine with the way he can drive the lane and score. There’s no reason why he shouldn’t be putting up 10-12 points a game just from the paint – and the way the offense seems to have refocused on getting the ball inside lately should only help that. He’s almost as gun-shy as JA by now. To some extent, even if CBH wants the ball moving around, if he’s got a lane and can score, easier to ask forgiveness later, after you’ve put points on the board. There’s certainly another player who’s allowed to shoot the microsecond after getting the ball.
I thought the move to the point would be great for him. He hasn’t done anything with it. Whether his unhappiness stems from his lack of productivity or his lack of productivity stems from his unhappiness, he’s not adding much of anything to our team right now. (And I don’t want to get into “who would you play instead of ML?”, I’m just comparing aggressive ML to wimpy ML.) I’m with you, Die Hard – if he wants to get his act together, I’ll be a major fan. If he wants to see if the grass is greener elsewhere, buh-bye.
I just noticed that we lead the Pac 10 in FG% offense
Despite Malcom’s 3-29 shooting beyond the arc, and the presence of no decent outside shooter except Roll.
I’m sure we’d be much better off with Lee shooting 30 times a game.
3-29....ML
If he picks this number of to around 6-33 he can join the 76ers next year as a first round pick……stop whining ML and work on your shooting….focus my friend!!!!
Terrence Jones
Did anyone see Terrence Jones play against Josh Smith’s team the other night on ESPN2? That kid is a must get for us….hopefully Josh is pitching away…
I agree
with Nestor. It’d be a miracle if Terrence Jones became a Bruin. If so, we’d end up seeing the same ML tweet! Jones is built for run & gun, up & down.
by LouisianaBruins on Feb 6, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
also
wouldn’t be guaranteed starters minutes with RN and TH as rising sophomores at the forward positions.
by britishbruin on Feb 6, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to Believe
I can see him being frustrated at having to play PG, but if he’s seen the RW example, he should take it as a gift. He gets the easy shots in our offense, because the other teams allow him to shoot. You cannot be a complete player without an outside shot. Its a stupid comment. Unfortunately, it hurts the program.
I am astounded if he can’t see that CBH’s approach works, as the team starts to jell.
If he hadn’t gone 2-9 perhaps he wouldn’t have been so frustrated. If he could break down someone off the dribble and get to the basket, he could improve his shooting percentage.
Things like twitter blow up random conversations into something big. It is a shame that a young kid can’t be stupid just among his friends. Let’s let it go.
Sorry guys
Won’t drop this until we find out WTH was the reason for this. “young kids” have to learn their lessons sometime. If ML was a student and wrote something like this that implicated a current employer or professor, future employers would have serious questions about it.
He has to learn his lessons and also understand he can’t get away with acting in an irresponsible manner off the court.
I would also note Randall Carroll and Christian Ramirez also posted tweets this season taking direct and indirect shots at Norm Chow. Very interestingly they weren’t seen much on the field following those incidents. I am really proud of our football coaches exerting control that way.
Until I see an explanation that makes sense I will not forget about this. And if this was a shot against Howland and the coaching staff, I want to see Howland instill discipline in this kid.
The problem is that this isn’t just a young kid being stupid among his friends. He is an athlete playing for one of the most prominent (if not THE most prominent) college basketball programs in the country. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but can’t anyone see his Twitter page? I’m admittedly not very familiar with the Twitter system, but aren’t pages generally accessible to the public? This isn’t quite like someone overhearing a private conversation in a dorm room or reading text messages on someone’s phone.
This tweet was accessible
to everyone who had permission to follow Malcolm’s tweet. We did. This was already posted on BRO. It was also clear that it was posted pretty much right after last night’s win … in an account which Lee uses a lot to talk A LOT (seems like majority of the time) about his game. The tweet page is designed to promote his profile as a basketball player at UCLA.
It is looking more and more like this was a very selfish tweet about his own game, after his team had won. It would be good if either Howland or Lee or both issue statement(s) clarifying WTH is going on also ensuring Lee is committed to the “team.”
Twit
Yeah, if you’re going to be making inflammatory or at least VERY loaded comments like that on a semi-public forum, you need to explain what you mean. I get that you’re limited by how many characters or words you can say, but you still need to think before you tweet. He is indeed still an amateur athlete, but he is also something of a public figure, albeit nothing like a politician or even an actor. The point is that if you’re got to filter your thoughts before you put them out there, just like you would in a press interview.
I'm with you, N.
To add a concurring opinion: he uses Twitter as a publicity tool. He has ‘followers’ whom he has never met in his life and has no reason to trust. I would have more sympathy if his twitter list was a group of close friends – then, this would be more like emailing your friends and venting, and it would be a betrayal of trust for someone to then post it somewhere public.
But insofar as Twitter is a tool for self-promotion and he has followers who are not his actual acquaintances, I have no sympathy when he puts something embarrassing out there in the public domain.
This is not him being caught in an unguarded moment. This is him making a public statement. He might as well have said this to an LA Times reporter.
The time for ‘sympathy’ and ‘cutting the kids some slack’ will come when he apologizes, explains that he was frustrated after a couple of poor shooting performances on his own part, but that winning is the most important team and that he knows that if he continues to work hard and the Good Lord is willing, then he will make a successful contribution to a winning team. Until then, my sympathy is severely limited.
Even if it's what it looks like what is our response?
Do we bash on Malcolm and criticize him?
Why not show him some support. We have just as many people here bashing on Howland for his “failed recruiting jobs” and inability to win games this season yet we immediately call this young man a whiner when we think he’s doing the same?
Malcolm is raw basketball wise and has a lot to learn attitude wise as well. He’s the point guard of this team. It’s not right to compare him to our past guards. Russell had the opportunity to play a year with AA and two years with Collision. Collision played a lot of games with both AA and JF. He doesn’t have an All-American guard mentoring him. Maybe he has the same expectation of that we Bruins all have. Maybe he frustrated because he thinks UCLA should be better than 11-11 and competing for a national title. Give him some breathing room.
He can have all the breathing room he needs
By keeping this chatter among his friends not in public purview.
He is not “entitled” to go out there and take shots at our coach and his staff as a member of this basketball team.
It’s that sense of entitlement that has turned out to be the cancer we have all come to known as the incoming class of 2009.
Also, if this involved a player during Dorrell era, I know some of the commenters here who are trying to let this go, would be all over it as a sign of what is wrong with the program. Again, this is troubling and the fact that it has gone on this long now with no public explanation, is telling.
wonder if ML and JH keep in touch...
One puts out through third parties that CBH’s system is holding him back. The other cuts out the middle men.
“Please draft me… I’m really talented… those poor performances? You gotta believe me, it’s not me, it’s HIM.”
Hilarious. Last I checked, CBH had how many of his guards START in the NBA?
Afflalo — 3 years in, now a starter on a WC playoff team.
Farmar — by end of rookie season, starting next to Kobe Bryant in the playoffs.
Collison — backup to Chris Paul, having outstanding games starting in place of Paul during his injuries.
Russell Westbrook — after 2 full years at UCLA, starting as a rookie and turning in near-All-Star stats as a 2nd year player.
Youngsters have to show some respect before they can earn some respect. The more “context” is put before us, the far less inclined I am to give benfit of the doubt here.
M
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Eh
ML is not the first player to have his pride scuffed by CBH and he won’t be the last. When you have a coach as stubborn hard assed as Ben Howland, feathers will be ruffled. I’ve already recounted here many stories about how CBH was received by many people in the Athletic Department and some of the previous regime’s players (they didn’t like him very much). I shutter to think what Bobby Knight’s players would have Tweeted had the technology and the service existed way back when.
That being said, all of this BS needs to stay in-house. The university needs to step in (which is what appears to be happening now), but up to this point they have failed at advising these kids on how their posts on social media sites can be construed.
Still, the only distrubing thing to me about ML’s tweet is that it was made public for everyone to see.
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
CBH
I met him at an OC Bruins function 4 years ago. The group was about 70 old grays. The faithful that still hangs on from the 60’s and 70’s (like me.) He was patient, personable, talked to everyone, answered all of our questions. I cannot tell you how impressed I am. Coaches have to have a philosophy and cannot kowtow to the players, who will run over him if he does. He’s a great coach. Players who get as much Pt as JH and ML, and still whine about it, just aren’t nearly as good as they think. JH is showing in the pros that he has a long way to go. If he learned to shoot, and made the shots that he was provided by CBH’s system, he would have been better prepared for the pros. Prima donna’s need not apply in Westwood. Talented players who want to be stars will become better under CBH. I would remind everyone that even KL was raw at the beginning of the season, and really improved as the season concluded. (Man could we use him.) I have played basketball all my life. The Bruin program is so much better under him than it was before he arrived. No coach will do it the way you would do it all the time. I’m going to have to defer to the man with the proven track record.
Lee was speaking publicly and for public consumption, in my opinion.
I am not enough of a scientist to know how tweets work, but I do know that I have read lots of things that people have said on facebook and tweeter. If a geezer is no longer surprised to see communications like this displayed publicly, then every child with a texting device has to know that nothing they say is confidential. Not even e-mails are necessarily confidential if the recipient wants to forward them. (Remember all the e-mails made public during the Mike Leach lynching party?)
I absolutely reject the concept that Lee had any expectation of privacy, and in fact I’m confident that he knew that what he posted would be made public. I also reject the notion that he should not be held responsible for his statements because he’s so young. I believe he’s older tha Owa (I’m not even going to try his name) or the other recruits who went on TV and spoke so eloquently.
We know Coach Howland has a lot of tolerance and a lot of forgiveness in him. He’s a better man than I am. If it were my decision, I would invite Lee to take chair number 13 at the far end of the bench.
I hope I’m wrong about this. I hope Lee is honorable and does the honorable thing.
A pitbull?
ML has been more like a poodle lately.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Posturing?
There are many ways to interpret what ML posted.
And, clearly, we are not his audience.
Here’s another interpretation to add to the speculation: ML played a strong game doing exactly what CBH wanted him to do — put ball handling in front of everything. He did. And, gave up some statistical glory.
Now to speculate: His “audience” — his friends — might judge his proficiency in terms of flash and scoring, not a quieter but more consistent game. So, to preserve his “manhood” he simply says he’s being held back. It’s bravado. Like a young athlete who takes ballet lessons to improve footwork and blames taking them on his mom. He knows what he is doing is right, but he can’t get his audience to buy in, so he just creates a different story about why he is doing it.
Sorry, I just cannot get upset by ML for his Tweet — and especially not after a game where he did exactly what his coach asked him to do — and received praise from the coach for having done so.
sjh
You don't have "accept" anything
And you can be in denial all you want. There are lot of things going on in the background of Howland’s program which is not right. Lee opened a pandora’s box with this … which gives a little glimpse of what has gone wrong in last 2 years. Keep thing Jrue Holiday was a great, loyal Bruin.
after a game
in which he did what he was supposed to do for the team, and was praised by his coach for doing so, any bitching shows what a ‘me-first’ guy he is at heart.
by britishbruin on Feb 6, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
We saw the signs last season
When this so-called #1 class did absolutely nothing (and yes, I’m including JH because he simply was not the impact player that he should have been). Now when they’re given the spotlight, they’ve shown what busts they are and are not owning up to it and doing something to correct it. CBH in the long run will rebound from a bust of a class (assuming he goes back to scouting and recruiting the type of players he had before). These kids? Unless they grow up in a hurry, they’re gonna be the same way the rest of their playing careers.
by next year
we might be down to two of those guys – JA backing up CBH’s first ever JUCO transfer, and JMM as the third string center behind Smith and Stover. Not saying likely, but definitely possible.
by britishbruin on Feb 6, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Are you suggesting that CBH will clean house?
The senior scrubs will all be gone along with Lee? The problem is will CBH be able to look recruits in the eye and honestly say that he preaches team defense after allowing the Belgrade Bust to play so many meaningful minutes after all his justsc like run-ins off the court? The whole coaching staff needs to really look at themselves and see what a complete clusterf$!@ they have and FIX it.

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