Center Court: UCLA Basketball (v. California) Open Thread
by Nestor on Feb 6, 2010 12:30 PM PST
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PrintCalifornia Golden Bears at UCLA Bruins, Feb 6, 2010 1:00 PM PST
Woooo!!! How excited are we to watch the battle for the first place in Pac-10!! Can hardly contain myself here as I am about to head out in almost three feet of snow out to my local bar to watch this game (not kidding). I have no idea why I am doing it considering the last time I went to that bar (for a game on CBS) we got pummeled by Arizona. Then again if this team was worth the superstition, then I'd stay away from the bar. Not this year. Still have to watch the game too see how couple of good players with some hard working role players and some entitled scrubs around them perform in UCLA uniforms.
All signs point to a Cal win. They should be big favorites. They have revenge to exact and are realistically the only team left in the Pac-10 who can still get a Dance bid as an at-large team if they can win on the road today. The law of averages are working against the Bruins as they have won 6 games in a row (with two extremely lucky buzzer beaters). As for update on injury front Bobo Morgan is listed as a "probable" for this game.
The tipoff is scheduled for 1:00 pm PST. No Donnie Mac for us this afternoon (unless you have Bruin radio feed). We will have to deal with out of touch and usually clueless commentary from national broadcasters such as Verne Lundquist (who will probably find an angle to gush about Tebow) and Clark Kellogg (who will most likely pimp the Big-10). You can read up on all of our musings leading up to this game here. If you want to follow the game online you can do so via our official site. The game thread is all yours. I won't be around so you can fill it up with sunshine and rainbows.
Fire away.
GO BRUINS.
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Yaaa!!!
Lets pump some sunshine in this thread
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
There's an alternative
“We will have to deal with out of touch and usually clueless commentary from national broadcasters such as Verne Lundquist (who will probably find an angle to gush about Tebow) and Clark Kellogg (who will most likely pimp the Big-10).”
Well, I don’t want to belabor a point, but there’s an alternative way of watching the game that would eliminate the problems that Nestor so properly noted. It has to do with the volume control.
Well you still have one problem...
… you have to watch Dragovich not play any D. I’ve solved that by turning the video off too.
Go Bruins!
Uh -- Just Noticed Nestor won't be here --
we started our win streak when he started manipulating our mojo with just the right dose of challenge and negativity.
More than Cal, I fear the fact that our Karma King is not here.
sjh
Well we won't need N's negativity
Our Rainbow Warrior will allow whomever he’s guarding to hit any shot he wants (am i doing it right?)
Go Bruins!
Damn I don't know how much pessimism I can keep up
I’m at work so I can’t watch the game :(
Go Bruins!
On this team, yes
he is not a point guard and we all know that. BTW — TH had 4 to’s do you rag about that?
And, if you come down on him, you have to really come down on RN and our forwards because ML was our leading rebounder.
And, our best shooter in this game.
sjh
I agree
plenty of blame to go around today.
He has a blackberry
He should be able to log in and dispense the karma via BN mobile.
formerly bruinhoo
has he ever had 4 scholarship seniors at the same time?
started 3 last year. I feel like 2 seniors, 2 juniors and a stud sophomore would be my preferred age distribution (not with this year’s squad, obviously)
I KNEW
CBH was wasting minutes on that scrub Nelson
ahh, I see.
Still, I’d have to think a team like Texas or UNC has played a tougher schedule.
Especially given how incredibly pathetic our Pac-10 is this year.
Texas and UNC
tend not to play each other or, more importantly, themselves…
good enerby guys
when cal finally figures our zone, we’ll hit em with the man-to-man.
too hopeful???
They now know it may be coming so it's somewhere back in their minds
zone trap may confuse them further
sjh
Randle
is the guy that scares me, see how we defend on him
I really like Honeycutt as a kind of point-forward bringing the ball down the court...
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 1:16 PM PST reply actions
he's the kind of guy
who can really light it up if he gets a rhythm
outrageous
Keefe sparks a 15-6 run, and gets pulled for Nelson??
ok, that was a nice move
world not falling apart with Nelson on the court
Go on to win or lose
I’ll say it again…
Cal was only hyped this season because they barely lost anyone. At the same time, they didn’t have anyone next year. No more talent returning on a mediocre team, just a year older.
I was just thinking that
who the hell on their team made them a preseason favorite? Randle? Jamal “RWputhisballsinmyface” Boykin?
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
it isn't always pretty
but if it gets it done I’m ok with that
cal
tends to go small, never have the bigs. playing sloppy
I love being able to hear our friend in the background
The blue-hair fan. I keep forgetting his name, but he is so great.
Dumb national commentators
“Dragovic with GREAT position”
Lee watched tape with CBH
Was that what he said? Good stuff that the team is still wilingto learn
What is Cal shooting
10%?
If the Bruins can keep up the intensity – - – well, let’s hope they continue to just play inspired ball today. They do look on fire.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
rolllllllllllllllllll
rolllllllling on the bears. way out there.
RN has gotta get down the court and into his defensive position quicker
If he lets their center get that deep he won’t be able to defend the post without fouling
TH got the nod
It seems that TH got the green light from CBH after Thursday. He’s playing with confidence
by apbruin on Feb 6, 2010 1:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Cal will make a run -- we need to maintain composure and not freak out.
Intensity and good judgment.
And, eat themouse
sjh
is there some history to these barncat comments i'm missing?
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
search for barncats within BN
Summary – house cats play with the mouse – barn cats kill the mouse.
Go Bruins!
Yes
I started it last year.
House cats play with the mice they catch. The mice often get away.
Barn cats eat them. They never get away.
The failure to hold a lead or close out is playing like a house cat.
sjh
and right on cue
TH overplays and gives up an easy basket
it disappears when we're up 10+ and when Nestor goes to his watering hole
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
fine
I’ll just focus on enjoying the game for now…
ugh.
Look, I tried to be the negative one here. BB, you’re going to have to do it. My hope/optimism is disallowing me to continue to do this.
Go Bruins!
how about the double bluff mojo
where we pretend to be positive?
Tha drivet shows the potential that JA has
now if he can only regularly realize it
he was getting harrassed and still got to the cup
Nice job
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Feb 6, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
not sure about that yet
I really don’t know how much potential he has.
I want to believe it’s a lot, rated as the #3 guard, but I’m just not sure.
We did a good job on TO's against Stanford.
I remember having none at the 9-min mark of the first half…
...I wonder if CBS has the Who for their halftime show tomorrow...
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 1:33 PM PST reply actions
ok, now mike roll is just doing his best Kobe impression
half court threes, turnaround jumpers, baseline fadeaways
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions
That probably has something to do
With him starting the game when Cal came out flat and icy cold from the field
Ohhh . . . Cornell is 18-3.
Andy Bernard must be proud.
by orlandobruin on Feb 6, 2010 1:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
There are times that RN forces it on the offensive end
I’m hoping to see some offensive patience as his game matures
Urgh.
Bad offense, but nice defense to get the ball back, Nelson.
Hey guys,
I am sorry, it is my fault that it is a close game now. I will turn it off. When I started watching, we had a 24 13 lead.
wow
what happened to the crisp passing and agressive play?
RN needs to stop jacking up contested double teamed shots
and needs to man up on D rather than just going for steals and blocks
I wish I could say I was surprised at Cal catching up
but unfortunately it fits UCLA’s pattern this year….
We have given ground on the boards, too.
Today, we looked better with JK in than we have with RN
sjh
Drags leads PAC 10 in 3pt %age
According to the scoreboard at Pauley. 47%. I think Roll is 3rd. What do the Drago haters think about that?
Bruins Forever
by bruinsince69 on Feb 6, 2010 1:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Drago's figure is incorrect
he is shooting 40% on 3-pointers (not a bad number), while Roll is hitting ~ 47%
formerly bruinhoo
he has a weird release too
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Feb 6, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I can't blame him for that one
A deep elbow 3 is REALLY tough to defend from the bottom of a 2-3 zone
anyone notice
the offense went to crap when keefe came in? theyre playing 4 on 5 out there
Across The Face
Crap.
This is bad. We’re getting killed on both sides now.
our offense=
stand around and watch someone shoot.
YOUTH??
3 seniors on the court during this cal run
More than cold.
Stagnant offense. Nothing but contested jumpers. Almost all of Cal’s 3s were uncontested.
Most of their threes
were also like 10 feet outside the 3-pt line.
The uncontested deep 3s are hard to avoid
when you play a tight 2-3 zone. We just don’t have the foot speed to close out on the shooters.
Hopefully we can get something like that.
Preferrably shortly after halftime.
up 11 when keefe came in
now down 7. great subbing cbh…
Across The Face
i know, but he needs another option
go to 3 guards drago and honeycutt.it’s the same pattern for the last few games. rn picks up fouls and keefe finishes the half and the opponent goes on a run and our offense goes in the tank
Across The Face
we play 4 on 5 when he is in
he doesnt do anything wrong per se, but he doesnt do anything period
Across The Face
JK playing much better defense than RN
not JK’s fault Cal is launching bombs from deep.
Pretty much
he is a + defender relative to the rest of the team, but on offense…ugh.
formerly bruinhoo
i don't get ur JK bashing
he doesn’t shoot airball, he doesn’t turn the ball over, and they are scoring from perimeter and he’s in the center of the zone, do u have any basis on JK bashing?
Don't think there is much JK bashing here
The issue is that he is not a presence on offense (and the rest of the team does not make up for his lack of scoring when he is on the court)
formerly bruinhoo
so u prefer ND rainbows
that result in airballs, long rebounds and fastbreak points on the other team?
Your way off base.
I love JK and wish he would be more aggressive. I would take him over ND any day of the week. I wish he would get more playing time so that he would start to feel more comfortable.
Play the young guys.
Once again, what do we have to lose. Moser could get double teamed in a trap and throw it away………just as good as any senior.
I've had enough.
I was happier when I was blissfully ignorant and the score was 17-8. Don’t need the stress after having to work on a Saturday.
Why is it that Coach Howland says "Push push" but the guys walk, walk
We need to have more than 35 seconds to run our offense. It seems to me that we need to force the ball up the court and then have our guys stand around while someone shoots a three.
typical end of 1st half collaspe
that’s like the 4th straight game it happened
we are at the extremes
either too hasty and jack a shot up
or dribble around too deep into the clock and have to take a terrible shot at the end.
sjh
As I have said before
he says “push” but it isn’t part of their offense. They have NO fastbreak offense.
We took a lead by beating them on the boards
playing strong D
Going inside
And, we lost it doing none of the above
We can take this game over by starting strong again and playing like barn cats
sjh
It's still within reach, you're right.
We just can’t have a major lapse in intensity again.
Cal started a very small line-up that hurt them
When they brought in size, we collapsed
Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87
apart from 2 boneheaded turnovers and 1 airball...
can’t really bash ND for losing the lead so far
reeves and honeycutt
are gonna have to play the whole 2nd half
Across The Face
reeves has sucked today
one nice offensive finish, a number of poor defensive plays, not strong rebounding, and two stupid fouls
Cal was ready for him
Every time he caught the ball they doubled on him and he could not deal with it
Joke
Wow that was pathetic. Cal not even a good defensive team. I knew we would not be able to hold onto the lead didn’t expect to get run out of the gym. What a pathetic conference this cal team would be a middle of the road team in years past now there able to go on 18 to 2 runs at pauley. Screw this I’m gunna go work out.
by uclamike on Feb 6, 2010 1:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There was that one drive of his...
Looked really nice. He should do that more. He has the quickness.
yup
they are pressuring us hard on the outside
yes and they start to play hard defense on him and he turned soft
he’s not a pitbull, he’s a chihuahua
yep
ML needs to penetrate more…..let his so called “pitbull” out!
by LouisianaBruins on Feb 6, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I like Nelson, but he always forces shots......
please don’t throw up crap, get rid of it when ya have nothing.
there are times when he has the ball
that is seems like he think he has to get a shot off. I would prefer to see some more patience
or needs to make sure he either a) gets fouled or b) gets the rebound
ND tried an equally bad shot from post position, but rebounded his miss and got fouled on the way up the second time
It works most of the time
but Mongomoery is smart and double teamed. He was not ready for that.
and he has the stupidest tattoos in sports
seriously, no one has liked ying yangs since 1995
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
I am convinced
that this team does not practice…or does not take practice seriously. What’s going on?
Yep on dating yourself but that's okay
When ROll hit the long three I thought Reggie Miller
Wow someone older than me
I remember him as Chick’s sidekick
Same Era ...Same Backcourt
smae miserable results.
Is the half over?
I’m at my cousins and can’t watch the game
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
if they keep shooting like that
it will tought to win no matter how we play
so the keys so far
we have turned it over more than them, given up more 2nd chance points, and they have shot 7/14 from 3
we should just tackle them when they have the ball
we can’t stop them man or zone
more great D from Keefe
leads to transition points
yup
hoping some of Nelson’s streaky offense can bring us back into the game
Rago is off today
CBH needs to sit him a bit 32 40 cal
by BruinArts on Feb 6, 2010 2:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions
could we stop with sarcasm
i’m not sure which guys are honest and which ones are joking
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
Nelson
Reeves cannot play in n the middle of that zone …. slow and blind is not a good combo
I actually agree
ND not so bad on defense today, but not doing much on offense; and neither RN nor JK can play both ends
We need better defense.
Transition points are good.
at least he's got a cool infinity tattoo
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think I've ever seen us look this bad.
I think it’s time to put some new guys in. These guys aren’t playing well.
At least RN is battling
albeit with not much control. But at least he is giving max. effort…….and he is a frosh. Drago sucks. This game is too athletic for Roll, and Keefe just isn’t very good.
I can't believe in a game like this
and a season like this, we can’t find time for Moser and Lane. It baffles me. I understand they aren’t ready, but is Drag and Keefe ready?
that's our chihuahua
once they play tough on him, he backs up
Looks like wer'e in for a week of negativity at this rate.
Who’s gonna step up and make some changes on the court?
GO BRUINS!!!
It is his (10 game) Pac-10 average
Though not factoring in that he is a really streaky shooter – and eh is not on a very favorable sttreak now
formerly bruinhoo
Does anybody in the country clank them better than Drago
I mean, they are big-time noise makers!
how is ND still on the floor
there must be a CONSPIRACY!
I can't believe I am saying this......
but we might need JA in the game
NO
He made a layup but he fumbled the ball and almost TOed it as well.
TH just showed the rest of the team how to deal with cal
DRIVE AT THEM!!
finally that's ben ball
good D that leads to d rebound that leads to easy points
Keep up the energy Bruins. This isn't over until we decide it is!
If we play smart defense.
GO BRUINS!!!
We're definitely in it.
Force more TO’s, we can take control of this game.
ML would be a stud!!
at a running school……..like Kentucky or Louisville.
anywhere he doesn't have to use his jump shot he'd be good
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
It's about time for CBH to end our run
by putting Brickola Suckovic back in the game.
That hurts because it’s so true.
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info
by cybermaldonado on Feb 6, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
mixed
but I like the willingness to go the small lineup. JA for ND definitely changes things up.
There goes our intensity.
And ND comes in again.
He was at the table to come in
The intensity is gone!! and all the players know it too, trust me.
law of averages
At this point in the season, we’ve established that we are AWFUL at freebies
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 6, 2010 2:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thank god he came in.
Couldn’t of done it without him
keefe took off
Haven’t seen that from him
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 6, 2010 2:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
even though he fumbled the pass but he threw it down
if it’s drago, he would have go for the lay up, got fouled and miss and then miss the FT
We are gettin KILLED
on the offensive boards. CBH has got to teach them how to box out even if your playing zone. Isnr rebounding one of his pillars?
Its the lack of athleticism on the front line that is killing us
Outside of TH, our front line doesn’t have the athleticism to go up and get the long rebound even when they do box out
Defensive rebounding in crunch time
is it just me or do we always give up crucial offensive boards when it matters most
can't use that name and defense in the same sentence
I’m not an nd hater — but still can’t talk about D and him
sjh
give
up huge defensive boards in crunch time, infuriating.
this has been our best lineup
RN, ML, JA, MR, TH
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 2:42 PM PST reply actions
x2
just too small to use in anything but short bursts
last time i checked
RN and TH have been our most consistent rebounders
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
yes
but with TH rebounding from the 3 position. Between him at the 4 and goign small with MR at the 3, its hard to consistently rebound
They shouldnt be allowed to leave the gym
before making 75 percent of thier FTs. Just FREAKIN INEXCUSABLE!
....
This is terrible. We’re shooting dumb again.
game over folks
frig is closing and butter is starting to chill
Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87
No heart today.
It is weird. Sometimes these guys play with passion. Sometimes they look disinterested. Today is definitely the latter.
been fouled most times
and made most FTs
no i'm not saying it's easy to make the shot when fouled
but it shows he’s MAD SOFT
I dont think anyone would say that he is an inside bruiser
But even RN who I don’t think anyone would call soft hasn’t been finishing after the hard fouls
or SLOW
KL makes his and1, RN gets his share of and1, but drago 0/5… i mean it’s not that hard of a foul, i didn’t see him flying to the floor
I'll give you slow
I think that is his biggest issue on both ends of the floor, he is always a step slow
see it doesn't matter who's playing well during the game... last 5 minutes
it will be the starting lineup on the floor. pretty idiotic
I can see why you would want that
But seriously, if Lee and JA both left, it would be too generous to even describe our 2011 frontcout as “razor-thin.”
That's a tiring strategy
Our starters are already out there a lot.
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Feb 6, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
We just got burned trying to do it.
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Feb 6, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Has any team ever gotten ...
less production out of a number one recruiting class?
A year ago we had the number one class … Gordon and Holiday are gone. Morgan never plays and Anderson and Lee are so ineffective. When your program has the number one recruiting class and a year later the whole class is a disaster … that’s doom for your program.
blasphemy!
how dare you use ‘decent’ and ‘Jrue Holiday’ in same sentence?
2008 wasn't a deep field to start with
So it would make sense that the #1 class would be weaker than you would expect
that doesn't make your case -- he pulled a rebound and on a close call traveled
sorry, you are bitching without even looking at the stats
sjh
you're saying a 4 turnover game for our starting point guard is good?
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
On this team, yes
he is not a point guard and we all know that. BTW — TH had 4 to’s do you rag about that?
And, if you come down on him, you have to really come down on RN and our forwards because ML was our leading rebounder.
And, our best shooter in this game.
sjh
I already have come down on RN
he definitely came back down to Earth today
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
our best shooter???? he mad a few layups off of fast breaks
yes, if playing average is a good game, ML had a great one
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
ML played good
not great made some nice drives but had some TOs. JA showed why we need ML to be our point
they both showed why neither of them need to be our point
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
MAH is a hard worker and a guy who is hard to not like
but he just doesn’t have the talent and is a step slow. You can’t be both of those and play significant minutes successfully
rainbow warrior time
i hate watching a game on saturday, it ruins my weekend
Well guys l finally got a hold of a tv
and then cal went on the 7-0 run. I’m going to try and not watch the game anymore
"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson
And that's why we don't do a full court press
Our guys have no quickness
I give the Den some credit
No one has put a bag over his head
losing +20 to USC at home and now almost +20 to Cal
that’s how fall we have fallen with our rainbow warriors
If .......
Jerime Anderson attened Orange Coast …….would he be the best juco in Orange County?
My stomach isn't strong enough for this
See you later, Bruins.
I’m embarrassed. The team should be, too.
how about that recruiting class?
I can’t wait for football.
by AllHailMightyBruins on Feb 6, 2010 2:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah. I can't even get exciting about college BB at all knowing it'll . . .
. . . take a snowball’s change in hell of the Bruins getting there. I probably won’t even enter a pool for the first time in like 22 years.
great pass JK
ND would never chase his own miss and make the intelligent pass for the 3pt shot
So much for the USC game being a turnaround game...
Losing at home like this to anyone is embarassing.
GO BRUINS!!!
Can't wait until next year...
No matter how bad we are, I will not have to see a picture of Drago on this or any other site unless there is an NBDL in Eastern Europe.
NBDL?
Drago doesn’t smell the D league …..he is Turkey or Israel.
+/- for JA
Has to be in the -20’s
UCLA Football, please make the switch to black cleats
by Fauxshow on Feb 6, 2010 3:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
For this game, maybe
coming in, he was -30 since conference play started (while missing 3 games)
formerly bruinhoo
Yes. I thought we were improving.
GO BRUINS!!!
by moutekicksboute on Feb 6, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Shots just weren't falling after the first 10 minutes
Turnovers and rebounds, incredibly, are going to end up basically being a push, and our FT% is going to end up being better. But the other shooting percentages are damning: Cal 10-of-23 from three to our 3-for-13, and 29-of-52 from the field to our 20-for-42. And yes, CBH does deserve a considerable amount of blame for sticking with The Forward That Must Not Be Named and playing him so much.
Anderson
Anderson is just not a D1 player, I hope he transfers to free up a spot.
UCLA '08
Just got home...
anything I need to know about the game other than we suck? Saw the box score showing that MR scored and nobody else did.
Below even our average from the line today
After starting 9-9 from the line, the team closed on a 3-11 streak. 12-20 overall.
formerly bruinhoo
I made some nice guac
Did anyone go to the scrimmage at Pauley today? I heard a bunch of people went and that it was even televised.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Feb 6, 2010 3:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yummy Negra Modelo
to wash down the guac!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
by tasser10 on Feb 6, 2010 3:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
this is getting ridiculous
teams with much crappier recruiting at balling us at Home…. starting with csuf, do these players have any pride in them?
"Feel like a caged pit bull"
LOL at ML saying that and then turning the ball over five times and routinely getting torched on defense. Enjoy the D League next year Malcolm.
Has Coach Howland ever been asked specifically if there is no one better than Rag?
He had a horrible line, which doesn’t really describe how badly he played.
Then there’s Lee, who had a horrible line, which also doesn’t really show the bad passes.
Is there no one better to run the point than the guys we have trying to do it now? Once, a long time ago, we were out of quarterbacks, so we found this kid John Barnes. Isn’t there anyone tearing up the intramural league? Years ago, Coach Bush found a kid in intramurals who was a good long jumper, gave him a uniform, and had him jump against just$c* the next day and he took third. If John Barnes isn’t doing anything, would he play point guard? He would be an improvement.
no way ML's line was great he shot 3-4 with only 4 turnovers
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Lee did not have a horrible line
see my post above.
We got beat by a better team. To single out ML and not call out RN or TH is baffling. Especially because Thurs and today ML did what CBH asked him to do.
This was a total team loss. A mediocre team losing to probably the best team in a bad conference.
I don’t get the need to assess personal blame.
Especially, when the blame is a product of resentment or anger for things that do not happen on the court.
Fox, this is not aimed at you, personally.
sjh
+Agree with 66
Cal is a better team. We outplayed them for 10 minutes of the game but they killed us the other 30. RN had his worst game but that was in part because Cal doubled him. ML did okay and showed flashes of driving to the hoop. JA showed why we need ML to play out of position at point.
They are a better team and showed it today. We did good to split with them on the year.
or find an open man and get the ball back outside
rn didn’t even look for anyone else. He tried to bull it up. And, he wasn’t the biggest guy on the floor and got stuffed.
sjh
Yep
He is really good at using his body but 1 on 2 doesn’t work. Hopefully he can learn. He needs to find the open man. This was his worst game on offense and some credit goes to Mongomery and CAL.
I'm a little frustrated
I’m not used to watching this bad ball. There was no sense of urgency, it seemed. There would be a fast break but a pass to a guy who couldn’t possibly do anything with it. There was nothing that I could see that was designed to get the ball inside, or to try to penetrate off the dribble.
Maybe we need Homer Smith to come back and work on our offense.
5 turnovers against 2 assists is not good enough for ML...
Those are not good D1 point guard numbers, even when you shoot 3-4 from the field and pull down 6 boards from the guard spot
by DoubleTroubleBruin on Feb 6, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Second the motion...
Why isn’t Howland asked the difficult questions as posed by Mr. Fox 71especially about Drago…
Who is better?
He actually benched ND for a key portion and he went small to JA and I think that didn’t work. MAH is nice but so slow.
I agree
we are not that talented.
I thought we played well when we had 4 young guys and Roll on the floor.
I keep asking the same question, all year. Who would you play? It’s not that easy.
We can all agree on MR, TH and RN. Then what?
sjh
wait a min - were we watching different games?
we cut the deficit to 6 in the 2nd half before he brought back ND for a KEY PORTION of the half and we lost the game
Anyone going to the senior day game>>>
to make sure DRago and JAK are really gone…to look for ML’s parents to be sure he has gone NBDL, and to make sure JA has agreed to transfer???? their departures are the proof of the old adage, addition through subtraction>>>
+1 Agree again
JK had a nice game. Not great but he made some plays.
despite the year to year top 10 recruiting
do i dare ask maybe it’s not talent but coaching?
I agree that the coach
must answer to the disastrous recruiting evaluation vis a vis his system, and I cannot rationalize his love affair with ND, but I hardly think there are too many better coaches in college basketball. He is not perfect, and I hope he can learn from his mistakes, as all of us need to at some point…
being UCLA aren't we able to get the BEST?
kentucky did? and we have more history and fame than kentucky
but not willing to pay for top talent...
ala UK, SUC
Yes -- we are not that talented
we are slow and can’t shoot.
we can’t make ft’s
Hard to coach around that.
Not saying CBH isn’t responsible for the state of our talent.
But, we have to be real about what we have and who we are.
sjh
we have (or had) talent that other teams would only drool to have
we do have the talent…. the rest is coaching……
ML is a slasher and can be a monster in the open court
JA as bad as he can be is good on the open court too
JK is a hard worker who can make the open midrange shot (but we never create that for him)
RN is a college version Mark Madsen – with enough space created for him he can be double double machine every night
MR is a great 3pt shooter when open (but why is it so hard to free up someone on the 3pt line?)
it all comes down to coaching
JA, by open court, you must mean before the other team takes the court..
ML may be a great slasher, but that is probably based upon his own tweets. JK may be a hard worker but so are many…that hardly qualifies as talent…
Couldn't agree more
We always blame a lack of talent for what happens on the field or court. It’s just like our football team. The problem is that Howland takes all the fun out of the game. The team is deliberate, afraid to be creative, fearful they will make a mistake, plays with no offensive flow, and fights the clock all the time. This is what the head coach has created.
Hmm
JA is not a d-1 Point guard. This makes ML forced to be a D-1 PG and takes away from him as a slasher.
RN is a bad defender. He is a good one way player but needs to learn to play d,
MR is slow, L. Fields beat him off the dribble at Stanford. Your right he is a good shooter but not a scorer as he does not draw fouls or make FTs.
well all i'm just saying.... good coached can make average players go leap and bounds
can’t say that about CBH
Luc – regress in his 3 years here
PAA – had to wait 4 years to learn to play
JA – can definitely break his men down one on one as we see so many times this year that he can take his defender on and make the lay up (but why not more of that?
Wow, what team have you been watching
ML may be a slasher but he is far from an effective finisher with a poor to average outside shot which will enable a slasher to be effective.
JA is just not a DI pt guard. Maybe low D1 at best . He should not be allowed to run this team. No shot, no ability to finish or shoot FT.
JK is a flat out bust. He is an average mid range shooter who is afraid to shoot.
MR doesn’t start for any other Pac 10 school. Good shooter with poor foot speed. Can’t create and relies on others to drive and kick him the ball to be effective.
deelu,,,,
well good coaches maximizes his players potential
DUKE does that with a group of slow white boys
isn't MR just a poor men's J.J Reddick? or Lee Humphrey with the gators?
stop blaming the players for being who they are, it is the coaches’ fault when he can’t maximize the strength of his players and cover the weakness of his players
How many final 4's has Duke been to recently?
I would certainly take their talent versus ours…Wouldn’t you?
our final 4 is 3 years ago, get over it
and on the current pace it will be another 2-3 years to get back there, at least duke makes it to tourney year after year
Defense
Since Howland has come to UCLA, all we’ve heard about is his defensive mindset. I suppose when you don’t ever know how to score or have any idea what to do with the ball when you have it, you’d better be able to keep your opponents in the low 50s. It really is painful to watch.
Time to write off this season
and give the youngsters more time and seasoning. And if we can’t do a better job of recruiting . . . well I hate to contemplate the nuclear option.
This was an awful — and a typical — performance.
Bleeding powderkeg blue and gold for 55 years. Go Bruins!
There have been some very good discussions here on our recruiting
the thoughts being expressed here are not novel.
Do a search — there’s some very good stuff there.
sjh
It's hard for me to understand the lack of talent argument
because (minus the one star Rag), we haven’t brought in below a 4 star recruit since Collison, Luc, and Roll.
I think there is plenty of talent. To be honest, I don’t know enough about basketball to see what the true problems is here. I do know that CBH’s offensive game has always been really uncomfortable to watch. Almost painful.
by inhowlandwetrust on Feb 6, 2010 3:39 PM PST reply actions
If number of recruiting stars determined real talent, it would be difficult to explain why so many teams...
in football and basketball do so well with no 3,4,5 stars in the program. The number of stars a recruit receives does not equal ability, heart, etc. I guess you did not see the talent discrepency between our guards and those of CSUF, Long Beach State, Portland, etc…
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