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Around SBN: The Ten Worst Swings Of The 2011 Season

Ben Howland Squandering Away A Vast Reserve Of Goodwill At UCLA

Bumped. GO BRUINS. -N

I feel like a broken record, because it is the same problem week after week. That is why I am constantly amazed when people start to get excited about this team. They are what they are, they have proven what they are, and they won’t get any better or any worse. They are a .500 team, capable of putting together decent games, but incapable of putting together the consistent play needed to truly be a winner. Only because the Pac-10 is absolutely horrible are they winning any games.

Here is the deal. Any team that “relies” on scoring from Mike Roll is not going to be successful. That is not a cut down to MR. I really  like him and appreciate him alot, and he is doing his best for the team in a tough situation.  The problem is, he is incapable of leading a team offensively. What he is, is an incredible role player who is great as the 4th or 5th option. When teams double off of your stars, you want a Mike Roll there, open in the corner, who can hit a critical 3-point shot. That is what he is. That isn’t bad, but he is limited in what he can do. Personally, given the fact that we are totally relying on him this year, I think he is doing great.

Reeves is a beast. However, he is just a frosh. The problem with freshman is that they are freshman. He obviously needs to learn to pass the ball back out when he doesn’t have a shot and re-post. He hasn’t learned to do that, but he will.  However, there is no mistaking the fact that without him, we’d be a complete mess, instead of just a mess. He is a rock, and he is going to only get better. Only two freshman have ever been placed in the position he has, and that is AA and JF and that is to be freshman leaders of a subpar team and be counted on to lead the team. They made their share of mistakes, but like AA and JF, RN will improve alot and be a force next year.  In fact, JF and AA were so successful and so good that the program took off.

Honeycutt is also incredible, but I also feel we’ll get two years of him after he blows up next year and goes to the NBA. The guy is silky smooth, but the system is not meant for him. He is a flyer. He needs to run, at least on occassion, to be successful. He’ll do great regardless because even if we don’t run or play his style, he can play inside or outside and will get his numbers just based on being so good and being able to create for himself against players whom he will dominate. The guys is legit, and another frosh leader.

I don’t blame Malcolm Lee for much to be honest. I know that may be met with some disbelief by some, but I don’t think he is being used correctly, and for that I place the blame squarely on the shoulders CBH. Part of being a good coach is knowing your players strengths and putting them in the best position to succeed. ML is an incredible slasher and player without the ball. He is not very good at all with the ball, but we are putting the ball in his hands 80% of the time like he is DC or something. DC needed to have the ball and played his whole life at the point. ML doesn’t want the ball and has very rarely played the point his entire career. However, he is doing what is asked for the good of the team.  I actually agree with his tweet last week and don’t hold it against him.  

Star-divide

The guy is frustrated so am I.  Is he ready for the NBA? Hell no. But the guy is lethal as a wing player who can slash and drive to the basket.  IF HE IS ENCOURAGED AND COACHED TO. The offense, the scheme, the lack of playing fullcourt pressure man-man defense, the lack of a half court offense that encourages dribble penetration (my biggest pet-peeve with this team), and lack of any type of fastbreak offense all contributes to his problems. However, in the right system he would be a beast. He is obviously a young kid who is very confused right now and his game is showing it.  He has no confidence and is rightfully frustrated.  But so far, he has played the good and loyal soldier, except for the occasional ill-advised tweet.  I can accept and understand that.

Anderson and Keefe ... no explanation needed. They are two WAC players playing in the PAC-10. They just aren’t very good, but in short spurts they can contribute in certain areas. They are just totally limited and one-dimensional, and the one-dimension isn’t very good either.  Is it their fault that we offered them a scholarship and they accepted? I would take it, that's for sure.

As for Dragovic, I freaking hate him, and he is the main reason that now I have no leash whatsoever for CBH like I once did. For every good play he makes, he makes five bad one’s. He is a wreck as a player. What is he shooting this year?? I mean, if any other player shot so poorly they would be buried on the bench. Why not him? It seems like every game he is 1 for 8, or 2 for 10, or some stupid number like that.  What has he done to deserve such respect?What has he done to warrant any type of loyalty from anyone within the program?  Nothing. He has done nothing but embarrass our program. He has been arrested twice, and when he comes back he steps back into his role. What gives? He plays no defense, he doesn’t box out, he can’t shoot, and he shows no intensity. What does he do I ask you?? because I am still trying to figure it out.

I built up so much respect and admiration for CBH through the years, but his lack of control in this situation has me off the bandwagon.  I am not saying he is not the right guy for our program.  However, I now have my doubts. I have my thoughts on the system, the recruiting, player  management, etc.  I have made them clear in the past.  I can handle all that, and even understand mistakes made and trying to improve. But how do you make the same mistake over and over in regards to playing time for Drag, at the expense of Moser and Lane?  Young players need to develop, and they aren't.  End of story.   We wasted their redshirts as far as I am concerned. Those guys should have a role on the team, if for no other reason than to look ahead to next year and get them ready.  If not, they should have been afforded the opportunity to redshirt, like Stover was.  Players can only improve so much in practice.  Their is no substitute for game experience.   

I am also tired of the “it was bad coaching” line. He pulls Nelson in a game earlier this year after he plays great and we lose. After the game he says he made a mistake, blame the coach. He goes to the zone only in Pac-10 play, then in the paper the other day CBH says “I should have done it earlier, that was bad coaching”…….even though everyone of BN was telling him to do it earlier in the year when it was painfully obvious we couldn’t cover a freshly painted wall. Another excuse. This has happened repeatedly, so much so that it has almost become expected after tough losses.

Doesn’t CBH have assistants that he respects and that he can bounce ideas off of? Or have coaches who will voice their opinions to CBH, even if they disagree? I don’t know.

What I do know is that this team is what it is.  It is not going to get any better.  I know that they aren’t going to change. If so, they would have done so after embarrassing losses to Fullerton and Portland. They are what they are, and it ain’t going to change!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Mostly agree.

I’m still convinced that we have an overall attitude problem from last year’s frosh class that has been much more debilitating than we all realize.

by bruinbunz on Feb 6, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

Oh we all realize it

Something we have strongly hinted around it during the Holiday saga. Yet delusional fans who want to be in denial over it didn’t want to see it.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Letdowns have marked everything about this season

First there was LBST, then MSU, then Zona, then Stanford, then Oregon, now Cal. Nestor warns me everyweek but I always let my guard down and think “hey maybe they’ve turned the corner.”

Why do I try?

"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson

by AMM19 on Feb 6, 2010 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

the worse part is i'll still be watching every week

i’m glutton for punishment

"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" Homer Simpson

by AMM19 on Feb 6, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I suffered through the Lavin years....

I can suffer through this. “True Blue through and through”..

But seriously, how bad is the conference when we are still in contention for the lead?

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by BlueWave on Feb 7, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

We are not "in contention"

We are as much “in contention” as Dorrell was during his “10 win” season. People are living in a world of fantasy and delusion when they come out here thinking we can win this conference.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh and another

Don’t come here implying we are not “true” Bruin fans either directly or indirectly by boosting some morally righteous higher ground.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, not from the "Morally righteous higer ground," but

isn’t a tad hyperbolic to be using Howland and Coach Excitement in the same sentence? Am as unhappy as every other blue and gold bleeding Alum that this season is subpar, but Howland has earned a little more latitude. Making torches is quick and easy, and with the plethora of Home Depot and Lowes stores a pitchfork is always but a short drive away. If next Season starts out this rocky, then I’m all for turning up the heat on Howland. For the moment, I want to see him work this group into better players and work to fill the holes and gaps on his roster for next season.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Feb 7, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

"want to see him work this group into better players"

By keep playing Ragovic 32+ minutes for rest of the season?

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

THAT is a point on which we agree.

I was actually disappointed that N.D.‘s court hearing was post-poned until season’s end.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Feb 7, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Time out....

Nestor…I would NEVER want to imply that we are not all “true” Bruins fans. I know that we are. I’m sorry that you took it that way. All I was saying was that I still support the team. Saying that I am “boosting some morally higher ground” implies that I think I am better than the rest of the guys on here..Guys that I have enjoyed being around for several years now. That is not fair of you to imply that.

Do I have issues with CBH? Yes. Am I frustrated? Absolutely. Will I ever stop cheering for the Bruins, NO!

I know that we can’t win the conference. I was saying that the Pac 10 is weak this season.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by BlueWave on Feb 7, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Lee

Not sure if I would rank his off the ball skills that high, but he does look horrible out there. I’m sure covering for players like Rago can’t help anyone either. Even as a point guard, other players need to hit their shots and actually get open to make him look better, our offense still looks stagnant, execution isn’t there to help Lee out.

by Bruin'96 on Feb 7, 2010 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

our offense still looks stagnant

No better way to say it.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Feb 7, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

What a great post

That post was the best summation of the season i have seen. I couldn’t agree more. It starts with recruiting evaluation errors, from promoting WAC level players into the program to recruiting players who are, while maybe good potential, misfits in the BH style.

His reluctance to be flexible reminds me of a line that applies here, “Important principles may and must be flexible”. I am sure John Wooden understood that as well as any other college coach who is successful. BH demonstrates other behavior and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there were transfers at the end out of the program, again. The problem with transfers is that the AD knows how expensive it is to recruit players and when they transfer, all that $$ goes for naught and then the coach has to spend more $$ replacing the players who should be around for more years.

Bill

Mensgym

by Mensgym on Feb 7, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Overall

I have to admit, I am very disappointed by the inconsistent effort this year. While I still watch, my expectations have dropped considerably. Week after week we continue to show that we are not a top-notch team. A better effort is needed at all levels. However, here is where I stop. Realistically, who would you suggest replace CBH? I do not think there is truly a better fit in the long-term. For now, I am just resigned to bite the bullet and support the effort.
’81 Bruin

by ocobserver on Feb 7, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

We will not have discussion of coaching candidates on BN

Don’t bring that up again. We are not there. Nowhere even close and will not entertain that question until we see what transpires in next two seasons.

I’d be interested in hearing about solutions re. rest of this season and next. Thank you.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with the title of this post, but for different reasons

Ben, it’s reality check time. Even if we win out the regular season we’re not getting an at-large bid to the NCAAs. We’re not going to win the Pac-10 Tournament (we’re just not, okay?). It’s time to cut your losses, start playing the young guys and at least get SOMETHING positive out of the 2009-2010 season. Are you aware, Ben, that the last time Mike Moser played over one minute in a game was December 15th? And the last time Brendan Lane played double-digit minutes in a game was December 27th? THESE GUYS are the future of UCLA basketball, not Rago or Roll or Keefe. Yeah, except for Rago they were gutsy players who gave it their all for four years and nearly won us a few titles, so they deserve some respect (i.e., playing time). But they shouldn’t be playing 35 minutes a game while the young guys play 1 or 2 (at most); that’s not how you do a “rebuilding year,” which unfortunately is the best-case scenario for this season now. If you just keep stubbornly playing the seniors to try and crack .500 or something, though, it’ll just be a “lost year.” Ben, please; let it become the former, not the latter.

by ucla139 on Feb 7, 2010 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

The main point of what I'm trying to say is

We HAVE talent on this team, although it might not manifest itself until next season. Ben’s just deciding to go with the guys who he can count on to at least give us an “okay” performance that’ll “keep us in the game.” But is there really any difference between going, like, 4-3 the rest of the season (best-case scenario IMO if we keep doing what we’re doing) and going 2-5? We miss the NCAAs either way, but the second way at least we’ve at least gotten the young guys some valuable experience. And hey, what the hell; Lane or Moser can’t possibly be worse than Rago defensively and are supposed to be good offensively, so maybe we’ll be an even better team with them on the floor. Why not at least give it a try?

by ucla139 on Feb 7, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps he disagrees about the value of that experience

I think Howland’s made it clear during his time here that he thinks improvement is made in practice, not in games. Perhaps his fear is that Lane and Moser will develop bad habits if the coaches aren’t able to correct them like in practice. And if that’s the case then playing the inferior player would just be throwing away games for naught.

That being said, I do think Lane has earned at least a bit more time than he’s getting. It’s impossible to say with Moser without seeing practice, and they obviously planned to redshirt Stover from the beginning. I think Lane and Stover could both make big jumps next year, though, just because of the strength they should gain over the offseason.

by SuperBruinMan on Feb 7, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised

if Mike Moser transfers. Which would be a shame, as we need some TH NBA draft insurance at that position.

by britishbruin on Feb 7, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You might be right Super

But anybody who has played the game can tell you nothing replaces actual playing time for improving. I don’t care how hard you practice, there is no way to simulate game time.

Ben Howland has played the game. He has no excuses if he sincerely believes players get better in practice than games

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Feb 7, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

This season

should focus on building for the future. That does not mean benching the seniors, but increasing rotations to spread out playing time and experiment. I noticed at the end of yesterday’s game that our full court press caused Cal to turn the ball over 3 of 4 times, yet we failed to convert any of those opportunities. I remain optimistic that adding Lamb, Smith and Jones to our current underclassmen will be an exciting and competitive team. I was hoping for 9-9 this season (now at risk) but still enjoy our student-athletes. Bottom line, agree with ucla139 who types faster than me.

by Vanman7475 on Feb 7, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

I am enjoying this season

After watching the Bruins lose to LB State by 11, to cap a 5 game losing streak, I thought the Bruins would win no more than 2 games in the Pac10. I have been very pleasantly surprised by the improvement of this team, and the development of RN and TH as really good Div I players, with bright futures. We have a chance to win every game, and even had a moment in first place. We even looked like the Bruins of old for the first 15 minutes of last nights game, until Cal. went unconscious, starting hitting from everywhere, and then started playing a tight man to man defense that we cannot break because WE HAVE NO DRIBBLE PENETRATION ability. The result is horrible shots and turnovers.

 If we win two next week, we will stay in the hunt for the inglorious Pac 10 championship.

The seniors (ok MR) deserve a shot at staying in contention, and its not CBH’s way to throw in the towel just to give experience to younger players like MM and BL WHO ARE NOT READY.

When ND and RN have bad shooting games and ML and TH are turnover machines, we will lose. If they play like they did at Stanford, they have a chance to win every game.

This team has no consistent scorer like JF, AA, KL or DC to keep us in every game, so when they are cold and play dumb they are going to lose. They did both last night in the final 30 minutes and they got crushed, although they did make a run to be within 4 and would have been within 2 if they COULD SHOOT FREETHROWS.

That being said the team has improved tremendously from the beginning of the season, we have two great building blocks for the program, ML will play a slashing 2 guard next year instead of a ridiculously horrible 1, but his ball handling skills will have been improved by the experience.

Stop moaning and groaning. They will be inconsistent no matter what, CBH is doing the best he can with what he has, and it will be better next year. It is silly to say a different substitution pattern will cure all ills, because all of the players are inconsistent. TH had a horrible game for the last 30 mins, and I love that guy. MAH looks under tremendous pressure when he plays, and JA actually looked good in stretches. Other than MR, you never know what any player is going to do when you put that player in. We need more horses. The cavalry is coming next year.

by 75NatChamps on Feb 7, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

"moaning and groaning"

75NatChamps … we are getting tired of your constant attacks on BN moderators and other posters about voicing their frustrations with the way this season has gone. If you do it one more time in any way, you will be gone from here and will not come back again.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I am not enjoying this season

and if anyone can point out how this team is improving during the course of this year, you are much more perceptive than I, because I still see a team still struggling to play defense, focus, take care of the basketball, and play with energy, efficiency and cohesiveness. A few close wins here and there in the worst Pac 10 conference on record is not the mark of an improving team.

We struggled early in the year and got blown out by some decent (not great) teams. We struggled yesterday and got blown out by a decent (not great) Cal team. At home. I’m sorry, I just don’t see how we are “tremendously improving”.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Feb 7, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

This season has not been “enjoyable.” Except for flashes from Honeycutt and Nelson, and couple of lucky buzzer beaters, this season has been an abomination.

by Nestor on Feb 8, 2010 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate to say it...

…but I don’t even watch anymore. I check the score, but don’t keep watching even when we’re winning. I just can’t stand it, it’s bad for my blood pressure and my daughter’s ears. I could find a high school game on ESPN8 that is more exciting and fun to watch. I have grown tired of screaming “NOOOO” when Rago throws up bad 3-pters when we’re up double digits. I have grown tired of yelling “IDIOT” when ML/JA/ND throws a stupid pass. I’ve grown tired of yelling “HOW CAN THAT GUY BE SO WIDE OPEN!!!” or “GET THAT MORON OFF THE FLOOR COACH!”. And I’ve grown tired at watching the funeral ceremony attendants that sit in our alumni section.

All this taken with the bad vibes around the program makes me doubt we’ll get (or should get) the funds for a poorly planned Pauley renovation…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 8, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

I have a one year old in the house, and I can’t stay up late to catch the games. Even if I could, from what I’ve seen, there isn’t much to offer to a lifelong Bruin who lives 3000 miles away.

Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Feb 8, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

A bad team of mostly one-dimensional players

Malcolm Lee would not be succeeding in a good UCLA basketball team because he has no outside shot, and can’t make free throws. He might succeed in a team that gambles on defense and scores most of its points on the fast break, but not in a CBH style offense. You can sag off him and dare him to shoot from the outside and you can foul him when he gets closer to the hoop without worrying about him hitting his foul shots.

In the CBH era we have had guards who can score/create multiple ways. JF/AA both had decent outside shots, a mid range game and the ability to penetrate and/or get fouled when someone needed to get a bucket. DC the same, with a great outside shot, speed to the hoop and an exceptional FT %. Russell Westbrook is probably the least complete of the four, but crazy athletic, and not having to play the role of go-to guy very often. Malcolm Less is currently no Russell Westbrook.

Without getting leadership from our guards, we cannot manufacture consistent points against good defenses. Mike Roll is a great complementary player, high IQ, sweet shot, but if you take away the 3 he isn’t much of a threat (though he actually has developed more of a game this year). He needs to be playing off a point guard who can penetrate or a big man who can pass out of the double team. Currently we have neither.

As for the rest of the team – James Keefe is not a scoring threat anywhere except under the basket, and setting screens is fairly unproductive when your guards can’t penetrate and your shooters aren’t quick enough to get into position off the screen and take a shot before the defender gets around. Reeves Nelson has a high motor and a low IQ, doesn’t play good defense, doesn’t recognize double teams (or is unwilling to give it up), doesn’t have much game away from the basket and is shaky at the charity stripe; but he will be much better next year and hopefully be playing his natural position, and you have to love his hustle.

Tyler Honeycutt is a high skill player, and will cut down on mistakes once he matures and gets a little more patient; and will look better when his teammates are on his wavelength. Far and away our brightest spot in a depressing season.

Anderson is a poor man’s Michael Lee. MAH is a nice story, tries hard and has a good long range shot, but is small, slow and not a D-I athlete.

Dragovic shows flashes of offensive ability and demands attention from opposing defenders. Unfortunately he also plays the worst defense on a team full of mediocre defenders and his defense is more consistently bad than his offense is good. Also gets the lifetime ‘lack of achievement’ award for the player who has consistently done least with the amount of time he plays.

When Bobo is really healthy I’d like to see him get more minutes. I think he is ready to contribute, and offers a different challenge than RN/JK. If we are trying to win games this season, I don’t care whether we see MM and BL – minutes for MM presumably take away from MR or TH, which I don’t care for; minutes for BL are presumably as a straight swap for ND, but I would personally rather see a reduction in ND’s minutes come from spells of Bobo at the 5 and RN at the 4, or a small quick(ish) pressuring lineup with TH at the 4.

The idea of redshirting three scholarship players from the start of the season seems misguided. Going back and saying CBH should have redshirted them BL and MM in addition to AS is great in hindsight, but I assume CBH thought they both had the opportunity to develop and earn playing time over the course of the season. I would also add that over the course of the season, CBH has made significant changes from his plan at the start of the season: giving RN starter minutes at center backed up by JK, playing ML at point, and going to a zone defensively. It is not surprising to me that focusing on getting those things working – and also reintegrating TH into the team – take precedence over finding minutes for BL and MM, particularly when we don’t seem to have any ‘leaders’ on the team to take pressure off other guys on the court.

Beyond the ever hot topic of ND, I do not see that CBH is currently mismanaging the resources he has (and for which he is largely responsible for assembling). But the fiery reaction ND apparently causes appears to have burned up the capital CBH earned in previous years. I hope that the wealthy (and influential) alumni with DanG’s ear do not have such a visceral reaction to ND’s continued playing time.

by britishbruin on Feb 7, 2010 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

I love my team and I love BN

Nestor, we have different personalities, glass half full-empty, but without your posts we’d have nothing here to debate. We actually all don’t disagree very much about what we see, its just whether we can do anything more about it.

by 75NatChamps on Feb 7, 2010 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

Then stop attacking and diminishing the posters

whose content is going up on the frontpage. Thank you.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

What Dragovich has done:

Scoring avg., 11.5 ppg, (3rd); total rebounds, 101, (2nd); FG %, .379 (next to last); 3-pt %, .305 (4th); FT %, .775 (1st); TO 44, (4th); blocks, 9 (tied for 5th); steals, 15 (6th); defensive lapses, many, though no stat is kept ( 1st, I suppose). Whether all this justifies 670 minutes (3rd) has to be answered in the context of viable alternatives. I would have played BL and MM a bit more, even though there is little evidence supporting the idea, and I would give MAH some more time at point so ML could play his position. I am not sure that our record would be much different if we did these things, but there are reasons for doing it. A .500 season, though not much fun, seems realistic, but I never cease to hope. Note: Tyler Lamb is doing extremely well.

by ReineSeite on Feb 7, 2010 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

Dragovic

The fact that people still throws out stats to justify his playing time is just as mindboggling as people throwing out selective stats to support Karl Dorrell.

Drago is in this lineup to f**king shot. Here are his shooting percentage from 2 (yeah 2 point line):

07: 31%
08: 34%
09: 45%
10: 39%

And here it is from 3:

07: 30%
08: 24%
09: 38%
10: 32%

Those are joke numbers for a forward and he doesn’t play defense. So why has Howland wasted the season on him?

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

+1 to Tyler Lamb

From what I’ve read and seen, that kid (especially with the state of the team, currently) might be able to come in and instantly make a difference. He plays on a good basketball team, and unlike AAU ball has to play defense and with his teammates. He plays hard and plays smart. Just seems like a potential difference maker.

Is it sad that I am already more excited about next years team than this one? I mean, I guess we still could make the tourney.

by Captain Leebeard on Feb 7, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope

This season’s been in the toilet for a while now, at least in terms of Banner #12. But next year, take out all the seniors and Lee and you’ve got:

JA
Lamb
Honeycutt
RN
J Smith

with Lazeric Jones, probably Trey Zeigler, Moser, Lane, JMM, Mustafa, and Stover all in reserve. We’ll probably get off to another slow start (although probably not as hopelessly slow as this year), but we’ll definitely end up a lot better than these Poodles will.

by ucla139 on Feb 7, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt we get Zeigler

unless his Dad gets fired this season and rejoins Howland’s staff (which could thankfully mean sending Garson back to the video room).

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, even without him or McCallum

We’ll be a lot better. I like to think of the 2010 offseason as “Drago removal surgery.”

by ucla139 on Feb 7, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah ... McCallum ... zero chance of him coming to Westwood

And we are not going to get Jones. That is why the staff rushed to get one Zeke Jones (and no one really knows what he brings and if he does bring something … it will only be for 2 years). They are going after some local recruits, who wasn’t on anyone radar … but the current staff gives me no confidence that they can bring in someone like DC or RW … who were results of Kerry Keating’s meticulous recruiting and evaluation FOR MONTHS.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Where are we going to find the next batch of great assistants?

Clearly Howland had something when he had Keating, and hell, let’s not forget about Dixon as a part of his assistant staff. He was able to identify these guys as great assets once. Why has it been so bad since Keating? I just don’t understand it.

by Tydides on Feb 7, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Good question T

Howland has got to look beyond his video room I think.

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't it take TEN years...

…to groom Coach Dixon into a head coach?

by PowderKeg Blue on Feb 7, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Since when has the time a person receives a job

Been in any way correlated with their readiness for the position? Is everyone at your place of employment competent? Did it take zero years for KD to be groomed to be a head coach?

by Tydides on Feb 7, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

what you’re trying to articulate is that not everyone is qualified for the position in which they find themselves. (not really sure how Karl Dorrell is germane to this particular conversation…other than to take another petty shot at a fellow Bruin. Probably just the Super Bowl libations talking…I’ll let it slide). My point is that many on CBH’s staff have been groomed by him over YEARS…not necessarily the finished product you see roaming the sidelines for Pitt. Kinda revisionist history, no?

I certainly see what you’re saying though, and now that coaches like Ziegler and Keating have left, there is a void in that assistant coach/recruiting spot.

by PowderKeg Blue on Feb 8, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

You'll have to forgive me for not picking up on what you were saying

Since your one line post was completely uninformative and contained zero context. Clearly it’s my fault that you could not explain yourself fully and leave things open to misinterpretation, so thanks for “letting it slide”.

by Tydides on Feb 8, 2010 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Furthermore

Your attitude indicates a willingness to stick it out with unproven assistants just because they “might” grow into something. Since when has that been acceptable for this program? If anyone on the coaching staff isn’t ready right away to coach and recruit at the elite level upon arrival here, then they are not ready for this position. UCLA is not a place for OJT.

Again, nice try asserting that the time that a person receives a job is the exact time that they’re ready for the job. The real world has shown time and time again that that’s often not the case. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation though.

by Tydides on Feb 8, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh, WHO on our current staff?

have been “groomed” by Howland for “years”? Also, what kind of track record do they have in high school recruiting circles in So Cal and out West?

by Nestor on Feb 8, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I love how this guy comes in

Has no posts and immediately starts being condescending despite his obvious lack of reading comprehension and inability to reason and follow a logical progression (despite the point and the example being in consecutive sentences). Seriously, this guy needs to post less and lurk moar.

by Tydides on Feb 8, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

On the 'viable alternatives' idea...

We have no idea if there are any viable alternatives, as all we know is that there are bodies on the bench. If they stay on the bench, we have no way of knowing in a theoretically-competitive game situation if they will be any better or worse than ND. It is hard to imagine a player exceeding ND’s count of defensive lapses. It seems to me that if any other player can only screw up on D half as much as he does, the decreased points scored against us would basically equal out what ND’s offense provides us. Any points such a replacement could score on the offensive end would be a net gain.

by KSBruin on Feb 7, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope no one

saw my reference to stats as justifying anything. They are just stats. Since I am not feeble-minded, I certainly would not waste time trying to affect anybody’s judgment of ND in any way.

by ReineSeite on Feb 7, 2010 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

CBH

He is a good coach who for many reason’s is having a bad year. There should be not even a whisper of a hot seat. we right this wreck of a season off and await with restrained enthusiasm next year. At least we know we have good incomming players and hopefully will make immediate contributions in returning Bruins to the post season

by john4justice on Feb 7, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

You can wish you all want

However, if he keeps wasting this season away … the seat is going to get hot (it already is warm given the debacle that has turned out to be this season).

by Nestor on Feb 7, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I LOVED this post...

Almost exactly what I’ve been thinking, but expressed 10 times better than I could’ve. Thank you for posting it, and thank you for moving it.

As a geezer, I viewed the near perfection of Coach’s teams, have long ago given up the idea of ever achieving that again, and simply want to see a well-coached, well-conditined team giving maximum effort every minute of every game. We are not seeing that. Ultimately, the coach is responsible for the team on the floor. I like Coach Howland personally. I know he understands and respects the legacy he has inherited. I hope he is able to build on the promise he showed until the last two seasons. I don’t think any true Bruin would not be concerned about what they’ve seen this year.

by waters96 on Feb 7, 2010 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

Great Post MuirCoach!

I think this season has revealed a whole lot of blemishes on our dream hire of 7 years ago. I don’t know that he will ever get the benefit of the doubt he got after getting us to that National Championship game. I was as giddy as anyone that year, because I had projected us as becoming truly dangerous the next year, so to reach the NC game in his 3rd year was really encouraging. I remember telling my brother, “We’re baaaaaaaaack!”

Fast forward to this year, and boy a lot of things that were true then are glaringly obvious now. Bruin ’96 states

our offense still looks stagnant

Much has been made here about what Howland can do better, and whether or not that is even our problem. Whatever the case may be. I think it’s obvious CBH has shortened his own leash.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Feb 7, 2010 11:33 PM PST reply actions  

Howland

As far as I’m concerned, Coach Howland has earned my respect and admiration and I can absorb this pretty awful year. Three final fours will do that. Down years happen. NBA defections happen. Player transfers happen. Recruits (and recruiting classes) don’t always develop as they could (or should). But after all that Howland has accomplished in his UCLA career so far, I’m willing to wait and let him work his way out of this. I feel that he’s earned this. I still wear my Howland Is My Homeboy t-shirt with pride.

by SactoBruin on Feb 8, 2010 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

At an elite program

I think it’s more than reasonable get 3 down years before being put on notice to turn things around, or you will be gone.

Howland is 2/3 of the way of being put on notice (hot seat).

If you don’t agree with me, perhaps you don’t consider UCLA to be an elite program.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Feb 8, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Was last year truly a down year?

I don’t really think so, personally. It was disappointing but I wouldn’t call it a down year. I didn’t expect another Final Four run, but a Sweet Sixteen. We had a chance to win the Pac-10 regular season, and a couple more wins would have put us in a much better bracket than having to play Villanova in Philadelphia. I think a couple of games were mismanaged in terms of strategy and rotation last year and it ended up costing us dearly. But overall, it wasn’t really that bad…but maybe my standards have gotten tainted by the current awful season…

Otherwise, I agree with your 3 down years argument.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Feb 9, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

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