Seantrel Henderson Opens Up A Gaping Hole In Hello Kiffin's Recruiting Class
by Nestor on Feb 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST
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PrintSo much for Hello Kiffin's top ranked recruiting class. All those Trogans who have been daydreaming about Norm Chow should have been more concerned about exactly the kind of recruiting class Kiffin has been putting together across town. Seantrel Henderson, the much hyped "recruit" for the Trojan's top ranked recruiting class is back on the market:
As has been suspected since Wednesday -- when Cretin-Derham Hall offensive lineman Seantrel Henderson committed to play at USC but did not sign a letter of intent -- the nation's No. 1 recruit is back on the market.
During an in-studio interview with KSTP-TV sports anchor Joe Schmit on Sunday night, Henderson and his father, Sean Henderson, made it clear that Seantrel will not sign with USC if NCAA penalties are too severe. But the extent of those penalties may not be known for months, and nobody knows how long the Hendersons are willing to wait.
USC officials will appear before an NCAA infractions committee later this month. The NCAA is investigating allegations that former football player Reggie Bush -- now with the Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints -- broke rules by accepting cash, a car and free housing from businessmen who hoped to profit from Buch after he turned professional.
Schmit asked Seantrel Henderson if NCAA sanctions could change his mind about going to USC.
The 18-year-old said, "Yeah, I think it would. But at the same time, I would have to, you know, talk to the coaches to see exactly what’s going on and exactly what’s going to happen and then base my decision upon what’s going to be going on. Because that’s the school I would like to go to, but then at the same time I just can’t walk into anything that’s going to, like, make my future, you know, not as good as it could be."
Hmm. Sounds like a kid who is smartly weighing all his options. I wonder what recruits like Robert Woods and Dillon Baxter are thinking right about now. Seantrel Henderson's decommitment is not the only issue plaguing Kiffin's first class at Southern Cal. More on the troubling signs around Lamey's first class after the flip.
There are already chatters about academic casualty concerning Soma Vaniuku:
Just got some inside info that doesn't make Kiffin look too good.
In high compitition with Florida to earn the Top Recuiting Class, Lane Kiffin pressed Soma Vainuku, Eureka, to sign, already knowing Vainuku was not eligible to play at a Div. I school. Eligibility comes down to NCAA requirements for grades/SAT scores - don't want to get into any detail.
Good news is Soma will have a chance to start for a Community College of Junior College before going Div. I.
Plus, there are whispers coming out even from Trogan friendly outlet on the other most decorated recruit of Kiffin's first class:
Wide receiver Markeith Ambles of Georgia wanted to come to USC before Pete Carroll dropped him over character issues last summer.
Did you get that? Mr. Trogan was untouchable for even a sleazeball like Peter Carroll. All of this of course goes back to "Lamey's 10 minute's rule".
So what is going on here. Apparently Hello Kiffin and his Trogans were so desperate to make a splash on signing day that they didn't care to bring in recruits who were considered even too risky by Pete Carroll. They didn't care about bringing in recruits who were most likely going to be academic casualties. Now it looks like their star recruit is basically telling them not so fast given all the NCAA cloud over their program. On top of that recruiting analysts have already called this class "bipolar" for being short on linemen and linebackers.
Sounds like the Trogans should be more worried about plugging the gaping holes in what looks to be an over hyped recruiting class (purely for media production), than fantasizing about Norm Chow coming back to take orders from a Puppet "head coach."
GO BRUINS.
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We might not be able to agree on BB these days but we can all agree on
Our dislike for all things Trogans!
The only surprise in this is that it is all coming to light so quickly…………….
by Bruin Dad and Grad on Feb 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST reply actions
I've heard the same
about Ambles from people in Knoxville. A good player, but major character issues and TN really doesn’t need to add to their resume in that regard right now!
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
A couple of points:
Beyond the fact that he hasn’t signed an LOI, Seantrel Henderson hasn’t qualified academically . So it’s unclear if he’d even be eligible to play football next season.
Also, I was told by a someone very wired into USC athletics that there are as many as 7 players in Kiffin’s first recruiting class who have yet to qualify academically. He expects USC to lose three or four players from the class to academics.
Well...
It would just take a couple classes with Sonora Ross to clear up that academic ineligibility.
Maybe a whole semester’s-worth. Who knows…
I wonder if the folks over in Knoxville realize just how blessed they are Lamey is gone now
by nickramz on Feb 8, 2010 3:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
They do!
At first they were upset and they are still really pissed, but they understand what a weasel he is now. They can do much better and will with their new coach. Good riddance!
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Let's not be so optimistic
If these guys had to qualify for a real university, I would agree that several would fall off. Heck, if I was on UCLA’s admissions committee and a recruit tweeted “Go Brewins”, I’d disqualify him right then and there.
This is SUC we’re talking about. These guys will take ballroom dancing or Sra. Ross’s class and suddenly, they’ll be eligible.
The bigger issue for me is that Lamey seems to be a total wh-re for anyone with talent. Carroll may have had some minimum standards of behavior (maybe) and academics. If I’m not mistaken, the only class Kiffin signed before htis one already had a guy who pleaded guilty to armed robbery and this one includes someone who cannot spell the name of the mascot.
In short, while Carroll recruitied Thug-aluga and other “scholar”-athletes who probably cannot count to 100, but they seemed to be the exception. By the looks of the recruiting class Kiffin has assembled in his first year, the exception might be the rule.
There is also history in play here. The U of Miami suffered a major lapse of recruiting standards in the early 90s after a long period of success, and it ended up eating the program from within.
In short, you need character guys. UCLA has a few that stand out in this year’s class, including Owa and Olanyian. USC? Not so sure.
Maybe they don’t meet NCAA minimum eligibility requirements – not as easy to dance their way out of that (bad pun intended). But yes, this is all speculative right now. Let’s wait and see.
Just think
If they were still the Methodists, what sort of odd spellings that guy could have come up with?
*I* ran over George Tirebiter.
by Bruins102NCAA on Feb 8, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Orejon!
LOL
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
Fall review
I always cut out the list of LOI for all Pac-10 schools and then hold them until the first game and look at the rosters to see how many are no longer there. $C will do everything within their power to get all the kids in ubnless the ncaa really does its job and pushes for “lack of institutional control”. Maybe a new President will see the way to salvation is dumping Garrett but that is only dreaming
Kiffin and suc has to fall
This guy is amazing. It’s not at all a shock to see kiffin sleazing it up on the recruting trail but the balls on this guy are unmatched either he knows nothing will come from the possible sanctions our he is just so completley incompetent he is unaware of the risks he is taking. I just saw that Florida state had to vacate sum wins due to academic fraud so I’m not to confident the NCAA will drop the hammer on thsese scumbags. Seems the only way to bring down kiffin is if he is found with a dead girl and live boy. Stole that from the wire by the way greatest show ever. Trogan fans would still smuggly insist he’ll beat the charge.
by uclamike on Feb 8, 2010 3:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i would like to comment here but...
seems i have been banned for not agreeing with everything posted here by the Frontpagers? LMAO…. Go Bruins…..
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
Seems like you're commenting just fine.
Though that might change after N reads that one.
by b d on Feb 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Uclan
You have come here and offered nothing but cheap shots against our posts, other people who are expressing reservations about our program (in a concise way), without offering anything of substance.
If you pipe up with one more cheap shot, you will not get the benefit of the doubt. It already appears you don’t have the reading comprehension skills to distinguish “banning” from a “warning.”
give me an example of a cheap shot?
you post comments criticizing CBH and i posted comments saying he should get the benifit of the doubt. I posted a comment about Pullard Hayes leaning towards sc and you attacked me as not being credible? but i was right…
I am a Bruin Loyalist who isnt always going to agree with your way of thinking – why is that a bad thing… It seems to me i am not the one who treats this place like it was his…
Go Bruins….
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
We don't owe you anything
You retorted to all recent comments offering legit criticisms of the coaching staff by attacking us by the standard Dorrelista line “have you ever coached the game.”
You are not entitled to post here. If you partake in this community, you have to abide by the rules of it. If you can’t then you will be gone. And it looks from the response above that you can’t help yourself from attacking us.
Your comment above was obviously a total lie because you weren’t banned. Will not show any more patience if you launch one more cheap shot.
Oh another thing
We questioned your comment about Hayes Pullard because it turned out that you were just repeating info. coming out of other sources online without giving them any credit. You seemed to have no interest in participating in the discussions here the same manner everyone else does … with substance and information (giving credit where it is due). The only thing you have done is fire off one liners with nothing of substance and just offering snark attacks on people who run this place. Again, one more shot you take, you will be gone and will have to find some other place to hang out online.
thats not true
i heard that story from my kid sister who attends school there and tutors in the athletic department.. i offered it up to see if anyone here had heard that rumor and could refute it or confirm? i didn’t know that i should have given someone credit for the information, especially someone who doesn’t make their living reporting such things? also the banned statement was a poor attempt at sarcastic humor.. it seems we have gotten off to a poor start you and i and i regret it since were obviously on the same team.
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
Sorry
We appreciate that you got your information from your “kid sister who attends school there and tutors in the athletic department,” however that doesn’t make you sound credible with no track record in this community. We value information here as long as it is properly sourced or coming from folks with a credible track record. You had none prior to that sharing of information from your “kid sister who attends school there and tutors in the athletic department.” Again, if you want to partake in the conversation here, read the rules and figure out how everyone else is contributing. Thanks.
no worries
like i said i wasn’t trying to post it as a definate.. i was looking for more information either against or in support. i thought someone on this site might be able to let me know if it was more than just a rumor?
you got angry and i couldnt understand why? anyway – that just about covers this topic.. he’s a trojan and that sucks…
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
minor detail
It seems to me i am not the one who treats this place like it was his…
Last time I checked, this site is Nestor’s. Many others contribute, and front-pagers have been added along the way, but he’s the one running it, giving many hours of his own unpaid time. He is thus certainly entitled to set the tone. bluebland’s front page piece the other day shows that the goal is well-reasoned discussion, as N pointed out he disagreed with the views, but appreciated the commentary.
There are times I disagree with Nestor, usually finding him too negative compared to my views. But again, it’s his site; his labor of love. This isn’t an official, UCLA-run site. This isn’t even a part of the MSM, where at times one might expect things to be “fair and balanced.” It’s a blog. He runs it. He calls the shots. The place is his.
good point
that is something i obviously over looked and will take not of…
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
Intrestingly enough
trogan fans seem to think that they have a good shot at winning the pac-10 this year. I asked my co worker if he really felt that way with kiffykins at the helm, and he pointed out the stellar recruiting class kiffykins and shrek put together is a sign of a good coach. You have to love trogan logic.
Trogans
will have their 3rd OC in three years (assuming Kiffin hires a OC/puppet, and their 3rd DC in 3 years. Those are two very tough obstacles to overcome.
by bornagainbruin on Feb 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
yeah because u misspelled it.
It’s trogan lojic
by bruinbunz on Feb 8, 2010 7:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
karma is a bitch
and it’s only beginning. GO BRUINS!
by DoubleTroubleBruin on Feb 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST reply actions
Did we just win the Emerald Bowl
if FSU had to vacate that win? If so, I would like get back those 5 bucks I gave to one of my neighbors…;-)
But can he coach
When Ogre was the HC at Ole Miss he brought in highly rated recruiting classes but he couldn’t win on the field and that’s why he got his big behind fired from Ole Miss. I suspect the same thing is going to happen with Lame and the Gang. The hring was a package deal. MG would have never hired Lame if Daddy and Ogre didn’t come along. Plus MG knew full well that there was bad blood between Norm Chow and Lame and still insisted that they try to bring Chow back. What does it say about MG’s confidence in Lame’s offensive coaching ability when he insisted on bringing back the OC that left $uc because of Lame.
Kind of ironic
Wasn’t that the so-called “nail in the coffin” for Dorrell, or do i have my timing wrong? If so, then good thing so that we wouldn’t have had to suffer another year…
Guess
I had blocked that out of my mind….Yes, that was VERY ugly.
Unfortunately from our perspective
There were many many nails. That’s why we called for his FIRING by the end of his second season (now those were explicit calls for firing of a head coach).
I flew down from the Bay Area for that game...
along with one of my Bruin friends who bought season tickets and moved to New Orleans as part of the construction efforts.
We were both extremely sad we decided to actually go into the game instead of tailgating the entire time.
Go Bruins!
why did you have to bring that one up
that just made me throw up a little in mouth. I can’t fucking believe we lost to a team that came into the rose bowl with an 0-5 record……..uuggghh!
we were a charity that year
I think we gave like 3-4 teams their first win of the season or something.
Go Bruins!
Ugh, that brings back bad memories
Of being surrounded by hordes of gloating ND fans at a NY sports bar.
LOL!
Thats the one where I started chanting Dump Dorrell! and leading my section in the cheer. A few hardy souls stood with me. Now we have CRN and CNC. I get misty…
+100
That was the day that I gave up on Dorrell. What I remember most from that game is that he gave his backup qb’s exactly zero snaps to prepare for that week. Then we needed them to come in and play…such a joke…
Not to mention
that those morons kept calling passing plays for an unprepared QB, while our running backs were playing a good game. Completely incomprehensible. To this day I do not understand what on earth those buffoons were thinking. We had Notre Dame beat twice. But I’m glad we lost because it helped get rid of CTS.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Few HS kids have the luxury of doing what Henderson is doing
When you have this kind of negotiating leverage, I commend him for knowing that and taking it.
Go Bruins!
Well
If someone like Robert Woods or Dillon Baxter held out, I’d doubt the Trogans would have filled out their spots, or they would have had any trouble going to another program.
True.
I think a good half of the academically eligible kids in SC’s class had similar leverage (no comments from me on character, but more on the # of 5-star recruits they have in their class).
Henderson is one of the most highly touted recruits in the nation. All I’m saying is being a top-5 recruit has it’s benefits. This is one of them. Really surprising that not too many more realize this, and instead try to get on TV for the attention on NSD.
And from where I’m sitting – USC didn’t fill out their spots. They’re still light on LBs, and got a lot of offense/skill position players without taking care of business on defense. They didn’t fill all their needs via the draft signing day.
Go Bruins!
Yeah we agree on this
I am just surprised two or three more of their commits didn’t have the brains to take the same route.
Um.
more of their commits didn’t have the brains to take the same route
They signed with SC. You’re really surprised? :)
Incidentally, this ultra-reliable news source indicates that Henderson might have signed with ND now.
Go Bruins!
LOL
That’s the second time Trogans have appeared on the source since Hello Kiffin became the coach. It only happened once during Petey’s era. Lamey is on fire.
Right
I don’t think anyone (in my mind) could ever be a bigger asshole than petey, but kiffin is seemingly equal AND he brings along inexperience and idiot-dom. pete wasn’t stupid, but this one? Not so sure.
"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel
idiot-dom?
Yikes dude…unless you’re quoting Lame…I think you mean idiocy!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
"we could do that?"
-dillon baxter and robert woods.
circa yesterday
Across The Face
Loving it!!
Seems likesome of the recruits we were both fighting for that choose UCLA left a big hole in their defensive corps! HAHAHAHA! GO CRN! GO BRUINS!
Two thoughts about Henderson's potential academic problems.
First, Henderson’s quote: “I just can’t walk into anything that’s going to, like, make my future, you know, not as good as it could be.” Compare that quote with anything Owa said. It’s like, you know …. I know that many will defend Henderson because that’s the way kids talk, but the fact that lots of kids can’t communicate clearly doesn’t mean that it’s acceptable not to be able to communicate clearly. SJH lives with a teenager, and I’m willing to wager that she doesn’t like go that, you know, way.
Second, Henderson may have academic problems now, but if he actually signs an LOI for just$c* he will go on the long list of people whose academic problems suddenly vanish and they make the Dean’s list.
I thought the same when I was reading that quote. As far as his commitment – seems like just a move to draw publicity, and build up anticipation, just like when Terrell Pryor announced on signing day that he would not be signing and would be spending more time on his decision. This just seems like a “look at me” play, as there is nothing likely to change in the next few weeks as to the NCAA investigation. I bet in his mind he knows where he wants to go, and I’m guessing it’s still SC.
by jtthirtyfour on Feb 8, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
I bet she, like, does
at least, like, from time to time. In teaching/linguistics, it’s called code-switching. The difference is that while SJH’s daughter probably, like, talks in that manner, like, when she’s with her friends, I’m sure that she has the ability to switch to ‘proper’ English, and she can speak it as well as SJH writes. Henderson doesn’t have that ability.
Please note I’m not at all questioning her intelligence or speaking skills – SJH wouldn’t raise anyone lacking in brainpower. I’m just saying that given the right context for it, she probably uses as much teen-speak as her friends.
After having taught for over a decade, I know that most, like, kids don’t even, like, realize how often they, ummm, use those vocal fillers, much less that they, like, do at all. I often found it fun to speak in that manner while teaching a lesson. Invariably, there were complaints about how it was annoying to hear, just like you found it annoying to read.
Pardon me if I veered a little off-topic…
Trying to convince children that they will always be perceived as children as long as they talk like children is never off topic
I am reminded of an anecdote from law school. Our prof was grilling the smartest person in the class about a pahticulah subject mattah (he was from Maine), and she wouldn’t give up and he wouldn’t give up and they went back and forth for a long time. She finally said, “But Professor, what the court did just wasn’t fair.” His response was a very disgusted look and the statement “Mrs. X, that is the language of the guttah.”
The use of “like” and “you know” is irritating to me. Worse, it tells me that the child truly does not know how to communicate his or her thought. The child doesn’t have the skill set to articulate a concept. The concept need not be deep, either. For example, this is a common-enough statement by children: “So he said, you know, and I’m like, hello.” That could translate any of a million ways. The child who utters it doesn’t care that his or her thought is not being communicated in an understandable way. Allowing that sort of drivel to go by unchallenged is unconscionable for a teacher, or for a parent, or for anyone concerned for the welfare of that child. Eventually, that child will have to earn a living. There are a limited number of areas where that sort of gibberish is acceptable, but most are associated in some way with the, you know,flipping of, like, a burger. Hello!
Question for students – Do you still write anything in or for classes? Do you write the way you talk?
Been Following This In Here In The Twin Cities
Last week it sounded like a done deal but with him back on the market it will be verrrrry interesting to see where this guy does wind up. CD-H has been a H.S. football powerhouse here in the Twin Cities for a long, long time producing such greats as Chris Weinke and Minnesota Twins catcher Joe Mauer.
Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Feb 9, 2010 4:30 AM PST reply actions
Neither
Good fro Seantrel that he didn’t fully believe the drivel Laney was feeding him. Neither CNC nor Seantrel will go to SUC! HA freaking HA!
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