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The Season Of Dragovic Is Officially Over

Is there anything left to say at this point? Really could this game end any more perfectly to sum up one of the most disappointing UCLA basketball season since Coach John Wooden arrived in Westwood.

This game was never really in doubt. At least not for me even when we got off to a good start. In the back of mind I knew even if we went ahead Ben Howland was going to figure out a way to coach us out of this game by sticking with his pet players even though it would cost UCLA the game. Sure enough when the Bruins went up by 10 in first half Howland brought in Jerime Anderson. Just like clockwork the Bruins lead evaporated to 1 point and even though the Bruins made another late run, Cal closed it with an effortless Jerome Randle 3 pointer right in Nikola Dragovic's face.

The script was the same in the second half as Mike Montgomery took advantage of Ben Howland's stubbornness allowing Cal to take total control of the game. UCLA got off to a horrid start with Rag effectively shooting us out of the game. The spectacle of brick after bricks with total implosion on both ends of the basketball court, completely taking a team out of the game and destroying the moral of the players and the entire fanbase shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. It was telling at one point in second half when Michael Roll gave a disgusted stare after another Rag clanker and then his routine defensive screw up on the other end. Roll's face told us all we needed to know.

If you really care about the box score here you go. Not much in the mood for doing any kind of game analysis. I will leave it up to you break down what happened (as if it is hard to figure out). Guess we can celebrate a little that the season of Dragovic is officially over.

Star-divide

Really what else can you say about Rag? He managed to stoop to a new low. He leaves Westwood perhaps as the worst basketball player ever to put on a UCLA uniform (with two arrests to show for). Yet he has nothing to worry about. He got unlimited playing time, a privileged scholarship well over $100,000, and the time of his life partying it up in Westwood without showing the slightest amount of respect for those four letters or the community that cares about it. Isn't America great.

We have done extensive analysis on what went wrong this season and what Howland needs to do in the coming months. It is not rehashing going all over them again. What is deeply disappointing is how Howland managed to throw away all the good will he accumulated over the years in just one season (even though this implosion has been building up thanks to shoddy recruiting and bad personnel management over last two or three seasons).

We just have to wonder what will Howland be doing in the coming months to erase this unacceptable and disgusting season from our memories. We are still rooting for him to get it right but nights like this (we have had a number of these all season and also last year) make it very hard.

GO BRUINS.

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highly disagree about JA

This is one of the best nights I’ve seen him personally, although that’s not saying much considering the past games

by BruinEngy on Mar 12, 2010 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

Yup

Not just about offense.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

It was his best game of the season

and he helped us stay close-ish in the second half, but his defense killed the momentum we had in the first half.

by SuperBruinMan on Mar 12, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

CAL was shooting 75% in the second half

Notice Randle hardly scored with ML on him. CAL went at whoever had JA on him.

by DCBruins on Mar 12, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Shh, don't talk about Marques like that...

… or he’ll go to his car, get his other gun, and shoot everybody’s ass

by CafeLA on Mar 12, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as...

he get’s BOB first.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Mar 12, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that you Raymond

nah nah, this ain’t Raymond

by LVBruin on Mar 12, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Who rattled your cage?

I left out the last part of that sentence since this is a family friendly place.

by freesia39 on Mar 12, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Monty is not stupid

JA may be an okay 2 guard on offense. He has shown flashes. But he is not a point and does not play D.

by DCBruins on Mar 12, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What incentive does he have to play D?

It’s not like his coach benches his pets for not playing D.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right

even when CBH said he should bench Rago more it was for his bad shot selection, not his D.

by DCBruins on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If i thought he wasn't trying, I'd have hope.

I think JA tried hard, but against a quality guard like Randle, he has no chance. He’s just to slow.

On the other hand, he had a game tonight that will give him confidence on the offensive end, instead of being worthless. JA’s performance on offense, and prospect of him being decent next year was the silver lining of the game.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

From the end of the court you could see a different intensity and focus in him.

He couldn’t guard Randle, obviously, but I wished he had kept shooting, he was shooting really well from outside.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Mar 12, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I would qualify that..

the worst to play that many minutes that put on a uniform

by Penny2i on Mar 12, 2010 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

At least

Mike Moser and Bobo can use their experience from this tournament to build toward next year. I thought they played very well tonight.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Mar 12, 2010 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

UNLV

has a very nice facility. Thomas and Mack is a great place to play.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Mar 12, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

The fact that BRO is reporting ...

that Moser is transferring bums me out more than the loss to Cal.

I don’t blame Moser, though. I’d go to if my coach had no plan for my development.

by Achilles on Mar 12, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

I don’t see that story on BRO…

"The entire world that bleeds blue and gold ... they have been dying for this." - Coach Rick Neuheisel

by uclafan11 on Mar 12, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

They wont be missed

We can debate whether MM or JMM should have gotten more minutes this season, but the fact of the matter is they are easily replaceable. As long as TH and ML stay (not a guarantee), MM isn’t going to get many minutes next year either. Lamb already is a much more refined player than MM and would probably beat him out for any minutes anyway. With Smith and Stover next year joining BL and RN, there really is no room for JMM either. There departure just frees up two scholarships that can be used on someone else who might turn out to be a surprise, but the program isn’t going to be hurt by losing them.

by bruinponcho on Mar 12, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

One last time...

“I’m a bricklayer, not a doctor, Ben”

BOB, 2010

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Mar 12, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

Nice photo!

Exhibiting his true personality of a pirate, ravaging and pillaging wherever he goes. Or he is thief? Stealing a valuable UCLA education and experience from us.

by Bruin15 on Mar 12, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

No, he's an axe murderer

And he’s done a hatchet job to the UCLA program- with more than a little help from Ben Howland

by kdoc on Mar 12, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

he is dressed as something to confuse us

because we are certainly confused about everything he has done and been allowed to do

by BruinEngy on Mar 12, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm almost on the edge

CBH better look in the mirror and change his ways. If next season is a failure (doesn’t look good right now), I’m officially calling for his head.

by BlueReign on Mar 12, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Not just next season

We will have to watch very closely how he finishes recruiting and handle the current roster during off-season.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I can live with growing pains/down seasons

but I’m beyond mind-f**ked about his decisions. Losing MM and JM is not good and I don’t blame them a bit for transferring. Hell, I would too. We’ve discussed all the issues and that is what I’ll be concentrating more on.

by BlueReign on Mar 12, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

JA

he did play terribly the 1st 5 minutes CBH forced him to guard Randle man to man. JA can’t guard man to man any decent pgs much less Randle. Outside of that JA had his best game as Bruin and we still got dropped like a bad habit. JA might be effective one day as a reserve who can maybe score, but his reliabilty handling the ball with pressure is highly erratic to be kind. He also may never be able to guard anyone decent man to man. If you watch him carefully he actually tries to run into screens instead of a around them. At least at the end of this one he manned up and dropped Randle on a late shot like that punk Guttierrez was doing to us all night. That was long overdue.

by Penny2i on Mar 12, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Fuck Dragovic.

I was put off a little when N said he despised him more than a Trogan, but by the end of this game I felt that and more.

by Centric on Mar 12, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

Brendan Lane

should have played better. He knew going in that if he didn’t hustle on defense and made mistakes on offense that he would have to ride the pine. That’s Ben Howland’s way.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Mar 12, 2010 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

Disagree

This was not a good game for BL matchup wise. He had to either guard Robertson or Amoke who are both quicker/smaller and can take it on the bounce.

This isn’t on BL. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a guy on the wing to matchup? Oh yeah….some dude named Moser is on our team.

by BlueReign on Mar 12, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well..

For the next week or so.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Mar 12, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Lane

has not had a decent game since he’s been a Bruin. The man dosen’t defend….he fouls. Against Az, everything he touched ended up being a turnover or a foul. Some fans get so fired up when a bench player hits a 3 or grabs a rebound or two , but overlooks all the mistakes. This dude is lost and will end up being just someone to fill up space. He does look good prancing up and down the court, though. To me, another bad recruit. And as for Moser, like I’ve said before. If he can’t get any minutes on this Bruin team, he must be bad.

by LouisianaBruins on Mar 12, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

And so of course

because ND got 32.2 min/game on the season he must be an All-American!

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah....FR should be finished products

I’ll guarantee you that Lane will be a good player for us once his body and game matures. Moser didn’t get a fair shot so don’t assume that he is bad.

by BlueReign on Mar 13, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

CBH stubborness strikes again

The defense today made absolutely no sense. Anyone remember why we switched from man-to-man to zone? It wasn’t because the players hadn’t grasped it yet, it was because this roster doesn’t have the speed to play man to man. What does CBH do though against one of the fastest teams in the conference? Play man to man nearly the entire game. As bad as the offense was (and ND was fucking ridiculous), the defense is what lost this game. At least CBH got beat his way…

by bruinponcho on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

not to mention it was obvious we were tired

i think the socal sun has gotten to howland’s brain. either that or he believed he was the best coach in the country and could do no wrong. or maybe it is just too much prayer without listening to the answers.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently CBH can't coach 2 games in a row

You’re right Bruinponcho. We were going to be an underdog tonight and had to get a bit lucky. But it did not make sense on defense and that (and the Rago 3 point barrage) are why we loss. For example, if you play M2M you don’t put JA on the conference MVP! If you play JA, you have to play zone.

I was worried about this. You and I agreed that the season was over after the second $C game. It looks like we were right. I am not at peace, hoping you are doing better.

by DCBruins on Mar 12, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

I firmly believe that we should have played zone all game and if Cal busted us with 3s so be it. But you cant do something when you know it wont work. We dont have the players to play M2M. W/r/t JA, the only time that M2M made sense was when Gutierrez was in and CBH could hide JA on him. Other than that, no reason to play M2M.

CBH’s defense is entirely dependent on having a player who can put pressure on the ball. If you dont have that, the whole defense breaks down.We didn’t have that this year and unless Zeke can provide it, the story isn’t going to change next year.

by bruinponcho on Mar 12, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

zone

was played almost the entire second half. Down by 11 with under 10 to go and still in the zone.

by LouisianaBruins on Mar 12, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

mike roll is the man

Him leaving truly ends all association with the teams we will remember and love

by buffsnbruins on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Mike Roll went out a warrior

Can’t say much for the rest of the team

by kdoc on Mar 12, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

Very proud of Roll

All he did was give everything he had to UCLA.
He will always be remembered as a true Bruin.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Last of the Mohicans

As happy as I am to see Drag leave, I am more bummed to see MR go. So happy that he scored a career high in his last game. It was also nice to hear Monty give him such respect in the post game interview.

by RideUCLA on Mar 12, 2010 10:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Roll just didn't want to quit

He has the same will to win like AA and DC, only he didn’t have the right tools around him. It’s a shame.

by Alanamaslama on Mar 12, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Malcolm Lee

should have played better this year. He didn’t hustle enough on defense, and he took too many bad shots, so he had to take some time on the bench.

That’s how it works on Ben Howland’s teams. No exceptions.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Mar 12, 2010 8:34 PM PST reply actions  

Tyler Honeycutt

Seems rather unmotivated / indifferent at times- kind of like Lamar Odom, or even our beloved JR Henderson (or JR Sakaruki?)

Has the skills, but I don’t know if he has the right mindset.

Guess it won’t matter, he’ll probably declare next week…

by kdoc on Mar 12, 2010 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

Why play hard

Only to watch a loser throw up brick after brick? I wish Nelson had cocked Drago in practice or that BOB had gotten injured for the rest of the season before it started.

Frankly I don’t think his name should ever be mentioned again here, and someone needs to call out CBH on this in public. He’s either trying to lose or trying to get rid of some players.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 12, 2010 8:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Just some?

Who the hell would want to stay??

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

When he picked up his 3rd foul, he seemed very emotionless. When he fouled out against Arizona, he came off as indifferent. There could be plenty of reasons why, though.

by Alanamaslama on Mar 12, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

What now?

Who stays and who goes for next year? ML, Bobo gone? I don’t see how much better we can be if we lose a couple more players to transfer or NBA. Lack of depth will be an issue, even with the three commits. Does anyone have any updates on the other three (Jones, McCallum, Ziegler). The name Howland is losing prestige in college basketball.

by EdO'B3017 on Mar 12, 2010 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

Jones, McCallum, Ziegler

Jones is a virtual lock for Kentucky.

McCallum and Zieglar aren’t happening. Why should a pg come here when they know they will be stuck behind Howland’s pet Jerime Anderson.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Prediction

JA doesn’t start at point next year.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that would make sense

We all know that non-sense has been the established norm for UCLA basketball starting from this season

by bruinbunz on Mar 12, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

He seemed to lack focus at both ends of the court.

by kkucla on Mar 12, 2010 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

Okay the rumor I referred to in earlier thread ...

… has been officially leaked on BRO. We heard few days ago Howland had sent feelers out to UConn re. succeeding Calhoun. Too bad for Howland UConn decided to reup Calhoun’s K. So the story about DePaul is not happening in vacuum. It sure sounds like Howland is looking to get out of Westwood.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

Yikes

The good news keeps on coming. He sure coached tonight like he wanted to get on a plane somewhere else.

by DCBruins on Mar 12, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

So that puts the DePaul rumor in context.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm..

read it too. IMO, CBH is best with lightly recruited guys. He made his name at Pitt and rebuilt UCLA this way. KLove and Jrue are the only “Elite” guys he has gotten thus far and they both did not have positive things to say about CBH.

by BlueReign on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

jeez, so now lavin is going to look like his BS is true

come on, of course there is pressure at UCLA. but there is many other places too.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah ... there is really pressure at UCLA

All we were expecting this year was for Howland to have a winning season (lowering from pre-season expectation of 17-18 win regular season). Yeah, we are really unreasonable. If Howland tries to even think about attacking us that way … either directly or indirectly … we will go nuclear.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

yep i agree

for me it was less about the record then how we played.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

100% agree

that is why I’m so frustrated

by BlueReign on Mar 12, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I wouldn’t limit it to just how we played though, how we were coached is the bigger frustration for me.

by bruinponcho on Mar 12, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

right

that’s where it all starts

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

At the end of the season we are starting to agree on everything!

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

finally!

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You're Freakin Crazy

just like when you figured out CTS was waaaay in over your head.

by BlueReign on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

Well when the answer is “everything is a fucking mess” its pretty easy for everyone to agree. :)

by bruinponcho on Mar 12, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He has never complained about pressure, and always celebrated it

He will not leave because of pressure. He puts as much pressure on himself as any fanbase could. If he leaves it will be because he finds it impossible to coach his kind of basketball with soft west-coast players, most of whom have been coddled their entire lives and have no interest in playing hard defense.

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

not to mention SPTRs

who are incredibly inconsistent and mostly call ticky-tack BS

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

SPTRs didn't prevent us from winning three conference titles

But if he can’t recruit any local talent who is actually willing to play defense, because their entourage of handlers and smart-ass coaches all think they should be playing point-guard in the NBA from birth and taking every shot the clock allows, then what’s the point?

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

i just meant it must be frustrating

coming from the big east where they let them play a bit more

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

THEN STOP RECRUITING THEM!

Is that so hard?

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

It is hard to play without players, yes

You kind of need to recruit. And if you can’t recruit talent in your area in SoCal you can’t really have a team.

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean to tell me

That Howland couldn’t go out are recruit players with heart and love for this institution? You are playing for the greatest team in college basketball! I would take 1 guy with heart over 2 prima donna MFers who could give a rat’s ass about our school. We can’t find another DC? Give me a team with 5 players with that kind of heart and I’ll give you 2 championships.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on Mar 12, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure doesn't look like he's been able to...

and he’s had enough years to do it. He can’t claim anyone on the roster isn’t his. Roll gave his all. MAH did everything his abilities/playing time allowed him to do. RN plays hard (though not always smart). Who else?

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

AA, LMR, KL RN Soft?

It’s not the west coast players who were soft. It was a European player.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The European player will not be the reason he leaves

JH, DG, and nonstop local bitching about the “boring” style during three final fours and all the encouragement talented players get to ignore defense the moment they step on campus, if not before, will be the reason. You don’t hear players at Pitt or UConn talking about “opening it up” every five minutes. Howland is responsible for the anger toward him this year, but if he leaves it will be for reasons that run much deeper and make it impossible for him to sustain his type of program long-term.

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't read other boards

but his tough D and efficient offense were lauded here.

If he brought in “entitled” whiners, that’s on him, not the fan base.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Plus he also coddled entitled losers even if they gave no effort on D. So he doesn’t have the moral standing to get POed when other kids were not playing up to his D standards.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

"Coddled"?

Dragovic is the only coddled one. If he had “coddled” Holliday, he would not be negative-recruiting ever since. You can agree or disagree about various coaching, but it’s damn clear how Howland would like to play, and also how effective and fun to watch that is. If after three final fours he finds himself unable to get local talent play hard and stay in school, I can’t blame him for looking elsewhere.

It has become painfully clear that guys like AA — talented and still willing to work hard — are not in abundance out here. It’s not enough to say, “why didn’t we recruit more of them,” as if they exist in numbers plentiful enough to restock a team. The basketball culture in this area doesn’t encourage it.

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not just Rag

Jerime was coddled pretty good this year. As was Josh Shipp last year. This coddling didn’t start all on a sudden. The signs were there last year and it exploded this year.

Also, Holiday himself was coddled pretty good. Howland never benched him when he was screwing up on D earlier in the season and when he did bench him … there was zero communication.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Communication

As much as the X and O things annoy me, his communication skills has to be one of the biggest concerns. He isn’t very media savvy or telegenic which I always attributed to him just not liking the media. I think it might just be that he is simply not a good communicator in general.

by bruinponcho on Mar 12, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It is an essential in the world of college coaching

We definitely don’t need a “player’s coach.” However, there has to be a balance on how a coach establishes his philosophy and how he communicates it to the whole team. It’s been a huge issue in this program for last two-three years and it became public in a painful way this season.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't extend an argument

If yourself call it “pointless” and spout out without having any clue on what has been going in the background. Thanks.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok. Do you think coddling is the biggest problem with his program?

And the reason a this entire neighborhood seems unwilling to play his style even after it’s obvious success?

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It is one of the big problems ...

And I have talked about others pretty extensively all through this season. As I said … knock this off … because you don’t seem to have a clue about what has been going on in the background. Thanks.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

He can have how ever many ideas he wants

about how he would like to play. In his dreams that can happen every night. Back here in reality, he’s not judged by what he wishes would happen. Like any coach, he’s judged by results.

If you were doing a crappy job at work and your boss asked you about it, imagine saying “But I like it this way! It should work this way!” You’d be out on your ass pretty quickly.

I’m not calling for him to be fired (though I’m starting to think I may not shed too many tears if he does decide on his own to leave), just pointing out that your argument makes no sense.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

This argument is about what's causing him to want to look elsewhere

Nestor, in rebuttal, cited Howland’s coddling as a reason for his failing to get his players to buy in. My argument is that his own favoritism cannot be the most substantial reason for an untenable situation that would make him want to leave UCLA because he is no longer able to effectively coach his way.

For the last two years, he has been unable to coach the way he’d like, and we’ve been unsuccessful. When he coached the way he’d like we were extremely successful. So the reason is why is he losing his ability to coach that way? Did he suddenly forget?

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He can love that coaching style all he wants

but it doesn’t matter without the players to implement it effectively. Nobody on this team, with the occasional exception of ML, is capable of being a lockdown M2M defender. Howland doesn’t have the players to run his style, yet he wants to run his style. He didn’t bring in the players to run his style…yet he wants to run his style. Personnel is a major issue.
 
I truly wonder, and I think Nestor wonders, if CBH doesn’t see that his favoritism toward the former player (man, that feels good to write) ND must have contributed massively toward the impression that most other players realized there was no point in giving a shit, because the rules didn’t matter. Why should they buy in to play harassing D when one screw-up gets them yanked but ND was kind enough to step out of the way to let opposing players by yet still “earned” 35+ minutes?
 
This becomes a vicious circle. CBH wants players to play his style. HS kids see the results of the coddling Nestor wrote about, and decide there’s no reason they should come to Westwood. The players we do sign can’t play tough D…and we’re back to CBH being frustrated.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

A huge link missing in that circle

If you think coddling is the reason players don’t want to play his style. Especially given the fact that the players he is accused of coddling DON’T play his style. These are separate issues being illogically linked. You can easily say that his patience with someone like Dragovic, who didn’t sniff a minute for two years, shows flexibility and refutes the stubbornness that he only plays certain types of players.

This is what I mean by “pointless argument.”

by bluebland on Mar 12, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Even granting the argument CBH was flexible allowing ND to stay in,

you yourself said

For the last two years, he has been unable to coach the way he’d like, and we’ve been unsuccessful. When he coached the way he’d like we were extremely successful. So the [question] is why is he losing his ability to coach that way? Did he suddenly forget?
He tried to coach the way he wanted last year. It didn’t work very well. He tried to coach the way he wanted this year. It just plain didn’t work. He probably hasn’t suddenly forgotten. He may still have the ability; he didn’t have the players. Even given his ‘flexibility’ with ND, you can’t tell me that there were four players on the 2009-2010 UCLA roster that were capable of playing in-your-face man-to-man defense against D-1 players up to CBH’s level of expectations.
 

You can easily say that his patience with someone like Dragovic, who didn’t sniff a minute for two years, shows flexibility and refutes the stubbornness that he only plays certain types of players.

You can even more easily say that ND didn’t sniff a minute two years ago when we had a roster with four players who are currently starting in the NBA, and he got minutes this year because our roster for 2/3 of the season included a player (TH) who has a pretty good chance of developing into the point of getting on an NBA roster at minimum, and another player (ML) who could possibly eventually get a spot at the end of some team’s bench if he puts in the kind of work that he’s shown no sign of wanting to do.
 
So…to answer your question about why CBH is losing the ability to coach his way: he hasn’t brought in the players to do so. As you put it:

It is hard to play without players, yes. You kind of need to recruit. And if you can’t recruit talent in your area in SoCal you can’t really have a team.
And here’s where we link the two “illogically linked” issues. (1) He hasn’t recruited the talent needed to play his style, therefore he didn’t really have a team, per your logic. So, we don’t have the players we need at the moment. We ‘kind of need to recruit.’ (2) When a HS recruit sees how some players who have not been meeting the standards of the style CBH wants to play being coddled and others getting yanked when making a mistake while trying to play CBH’s style, they’re going to head elsewhere. This makes it a challenge to get (1) the talent needed to play his style.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Personal loyalty is great

But when it diminishes the reputation of our University, it should not be tolerated.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on Mar 12, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

I am not confident

how much Howland cares about UCLA.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if he doesn't

He needs to go

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on Mar 12, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots of rumors

From folks who are close to the program and tight with players’ families.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

As I've said before

I don’t really blame him. His style doesn’t suit the types of recruits in the area except for the occasional stud. Our stadium stinks, the fanbase is a bit fickle, and he couldmake
much more somewhere else. I think he prefers the Big East anyway.

Since he’s putting those feelers out, I don’t think it would be inappropriate to discuss his replacement.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I still don't even want to think about potential replacements

At least not publicly. It would really be awesome if Howland did some genuine reflections, appeared contrite and then took concrete steps to act on those reflections. I want to be patient for another year or two. I am not going to call for his firing given the incredible memories from recent season. However, nights like tonight are just mind boggling.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the next few weeks will be telling.

If indeed CBH does appear to truly be wanting to make smart moves to benefit UCLA basketball, I suppose I’d be OK with giving him some time. However, if there comes substance to the rumors, especially if there are substantive rumors about him checking out 2+ other schools, then I’d be with tasser10 in feeling it would be appropriate to discuss who might be a good choice if/when CBH decides to leave.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

ND

Was CBH protecting him from the spattering of boos by not pulling him like he did Roll?

He's not retired...THANK YOU!

by baybruin415 on Mar 12, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

I said this in another thread ...

but I think it’s worth repeating:

Our defense did us in tonight. We gave up over 50 points in the second half and were incapable of getting a stop when a stop and a bucket could have made it a game.

by Achilles on Mar 12, 2010 8:42 PM PST reply actions  

I agree

EXCEPT for Rago, we were okay on offense. D was bad and as poncho said above was stupid.

by DCBruins on Mar 12, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

absolutely spot on

The entire year we could not stop anyone. In the past we could count on multiple stops a game. Scores in the 50s. Now we give up 80 a game. Not the Ben Ball D we’ve grown to love

by Bald Eagle on Mar 12, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

yup

ND’s abysmal showing on offense was somewhat compensated by JA being aggressive and successful for the first time this season. But on defense we did nothing.

by britishbruin on Mar 13, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Cal fan here. Wanted to congratulate Roll on a fine career at UCLA. Kid always played hard and with class. WRT to Dragovic, I know you guys are thrilled to see him gone and rightfully so. He MUST have compromising photos of Howland to be allowed to play the minutes he has in his career.

by Itchy25 on Mar 12, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

Good luck to Bears

I have always been a Monty fan and I wish you guys luck. Good to see a senior laden squad gelling at the end of the season. That is good for the game.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

MR was indeed a fantastic Bruin. He represented us well during his time here.

I hope you guys make some noise in the big dance. We need some pac ten pride after the ugly showing the conference put up last year.

by BruinDrums on Mar 12, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats pretty much the only possible logical conclusion I can draw at this point. Utterly astounding…

by Orz on Mar 12, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I've come up with many theories during the HOURS that drago played ball...

1. The Serbian mafia has threatened to destroy the world if Howland doesn’t play Drago
2. Somebody in the last lap of their lives made a dying wish to Howland to ensure that Drago plays at least 30 minutes a game
3. Drago only plays shitty in games and plays LIGHTS OUT in practice
4. Drago is Howland’s illegitimate son

… ionno, my mind ran wild as it was trying to grasp for the rationale that Howland might possibly have had for keeping his pet drago in the game despite absolutely, undeniably being a liability to the team

by bruinbunz on Mar 12, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he *is* trying to shred the program

to convince recruits to go with him elsewhere. It makes more sense than continuing to play a shitty player with the delusional thought that one of these days everything will all be better.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

my crazy thought is that he has gambling losses

and the serbian mafia is paying him to keep the bricklayer in the game, who also is being paid to miss. in fact drago is a near perfect shooter, he just is trying to miss all those shots.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of compromising photos...

Sorry, distracted by your pic of Scarlett there…

Good luck to our UC brothers up North. We are counting on you guys to carry the whole conference this year.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Montgomery and Cal

were very classy clapping Roll coming off. Thought that was a nice gesture, as were Montgomery’s words re Roll afterwards.

by britishbruin on Mar 13, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

As soon as Dragovic finally made a 3 to put us up 44-42...

I said to my friend, “Great, now he’s going to think he has license to shoot on every possession.”

Ugh. Good riddance. I never thought I would hate watching a Bruin as much as Michael Fey.

by bruinhoya on Mar 12, 2010 8:47 PM PST reply actions  

Don't insult Fey

At least Fey knew his limitations.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW

Did anyone notice Fey put up 29 pts. in a D-League came a few weeks ago? Bizarre.

by bruinhoya on Mar 12, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I am usually optimistic and positive

but, after defending CBH and calling for patience, I find that I am just disgusted and somewhat angry and the way he allowed this season to turn to shit.

Once it became clear that we would not win consistently with ND playing so many minutes, I joined forces with those who argued for the dual values of playing younger — we’d develop our talent AND win some games that ND would otherwise lose for us.

Tonight, everyone on our team shot well except one player who absolutely shot us out of the game.

I watched the only true Warrior on this team play his heart out, for the last time, and felt sick for him.

I will no longer refer to Bruin Warriors as Ben Ball Warriors. Mike Roll was a warrior in spite of his coach.

Ben Howland and Warrior do not belong in the same sentence until he creates accountability in his system and team.

I’m sick about wasting MM’s year and the failure to give Bobo and MM tournament minutes. (Even if they told CBH they were leaving, he should have played them because I think they would have given us some better minutes than we got from you know who.

It makes me sad to be so down on BH. But, he really is to blame.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

It's not that ND was bad

He did such a good job representing us off the court. I mean, you don’t have to have talent for that at the very least.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on Mar 12, 2010 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

Howland

Does not deserve much leeway. He has not proven himself as a coach who can keep a program on top. He had some of the best players in the country over the past several years (as evidenced by so many of our guys playing in the NBA plus some incredible warriors like LMR) and he couldn’t win a championship. And those games that those teams lost were quite similar to most of the games this season—we were out-coached and basically looked like a deer in the headlights, scratching our heads while the other teams walked over us. My complaints then were the same as now—Howland is not a good a game coach. He is stubborn and does not change things up even when it is obvious to anyone else watching that something needs to change.

I blame Howland for ND. What kind of coach let’s a guy kill a team with consistently terrible shooting that leads to the other team getting easy buckets 9 times out of 10? In fact if anything, Howland must be telling Rags to keep shooting. He finally in the last two games of the season realized he can’t guard anyone so he stuck him under the basket on the zone. We can hate Rags but the blame is squarely on his coach.

And there are plenty of other examples. I think Howland’s time is up. He’d better do something more than pray if he wants to see the final 4 with this team ever again. He’s lost me.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

You sound like you think CBH simply got lucky recruiting talented NBA-bound players when we made Final Fours, and that national championships are a given with that talent. I’m not sure that most of us would agree with that assessment.

"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent

by Yoyo on Mar 12, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I guess Williams is out at Carolina, too!

by LouisianaBruins on Mar 12, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Double bad night out here. Rejected! :(

UCLA came out with freshman applicant decisions tonight

57,000 applicants for 4,000 spots.
I got rejected….meh. Not one of 12 applicants from my school were accepted (~100 in senior class)

Here’s to graduate school i guess!

GO BRUINS (still can’t deny my love)

by PopnFried on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

That sucks

But it’s hard to get in as a freshman. You should think about transferring too. Go luck to you and keep pulling for the Bruins

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on Mar 12, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

How did you find out?

My daughter applied, too. She though the decisions would come out in April.

Long odds even for truly great kids.

Our hopes are not high.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

My daughter applied too

and we’ve heard nothing yet. Was it e-mail, or regular mail, I wonder?

Not expecting good news here, either, though.

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Mar 12, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Go to www.admissions.ucla.edu

And put in you application number and other assorted information.

At least I think. Regardless the email should be coming shortly.

by Sideout11 on Mar 12, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

We're all rooting for Jen, SJH.

Although we KNOW she’ll excel wherever she goes.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

SJH, please let us know either way, if you’re comfortable sharing.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Jen's on a plane to SF

and then going to Sebastopol to go to a high school dance with “he’s just a boy” but I think he is a boy friend (he’s flown here twice for dances). Anyway, I feel funny about knowing first.

But, thanks for the pointer.

And, best of luck to all who have applied and their parents.

Does that mean that Santa Barbara and San Diego will be posting, too?

Jen is 4 for 4, so far but strongly prefers the UC schools. And, still waiting on Occidental, Northwestern, and Vanderbilt.

Last night I asked some of her high school teachers to flunk her so that she’d have to stay here another year. They refused.

I’ll post when she hears.

Thanks for all the support.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What a great time of life for her and for you

I hope she gets her dream, like my youngest and oldest did, Brag Brag.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I am having a very hard time with the thought of her moving on and out

There is a great Suzy Boggus song, “Letting Go” that can make me start to tear up.

UCLA has always been a dream. But, she’s taken classes at both Santa Barbara and San Diego and I know she’d be happy at both — although she really wants to be in a marching band and/or color guard.

I know she will thrive wherever she goes. But, she would be a third generation Bruin and I think that is cool. (Maternal grandparents, both parents.)

Yes, it is a great time. All sadness aside. It really is a great time.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone talks about wanting kids out of the house

We beg them to stay. We have two college grads back home. Stay here and save on rent we say.

However, when you see what a blast she has at school, and you get to integrate a bit and enjoy the college life in small doses again, you won’t be sad. College years are her best times of life.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Part of why I decided against applying to UCSD

was that they don’t have a marching band. Being in the band at UCLA was amazing; a central part of my college experience.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny Stuff

Been on the site awhile (not the most active commenter…but long withstanding loyal member) and noticed you talking about your daughter before

But your daughter and I have the same college lists save Occidental (but Add Wesleyan, Syracuse).

Good luck, I appreciate your sage UCLA wisdom and hope she gets a chance to go there! I want to go there for Film grad school anyways so I’ll reapply in a few years.

by PopnFried on Mar 12, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Wesleyan Was Strong On the List

I had a young cousin (she was in her late 40’s) who was an Assistant Chancellor at Wesleyan. She died, unexpectedly, last year. Before then, we thought it a great place for Jen. Now, too sad to think about. But, it is a really fine school. I hope you get in there.

Jen’s been accepted at Oregon, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and U Mass. With the exception of Wisconsin, all have strong bands and guards. But, I taught at Wisconsin and we still have our farm just outside Madison; Jen loves Madison so it is a contender. Oxy has a “cognitive sciences” major that appeals to her. Santa Barbara and San Diego have marine sciences. We had a great visit at Minnesota and she fell in love with the place. I don’t get Vanderbilt — it is in the South and she wants out of the South.

For you, Syracuse has a great journalism school. When I left teaching law to be a film maker, I strongly considered teaching at Syracuse in some cross over status. But, moved back to LA and ran my production company from there.

Having taught students from all over the country, I can see that there is a great school for everyone and that good students thrive in grad school if they did their undergraduate work at places that challenged and interested them.

You will find your place.

sjh

PS. I don’t mean to say Wisconsin’s band isn’t great. It is. But, no flutes and no guard, so no place for Jen. But, as she points out, UW had the first dance school in the nation.

I love Eugene and told Jen that I’d have trouble with her at another Pac 10 school but that I though Oregon, during the next 4 years, would give her a great football experience. And, then the Masoli thing.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

My son loved UCSD

but it doesn’t have major college sports, which to me, is a huge minus.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved UCSD

I am a UCSD grad, but forever a UCLA fan. I thought of it as a good compromise having no real major athletics program allowed me to stay a Bruin fan. I did miss out in a sense of the major college experience in terms of going to games. We have no football program and hoops was like going to high school games.

On the flip side at least when I went there 15+ years ago we had a terrific intramural program to make up for it. If you are active and enjoy participating competitively you can play everything under the sun from inner tube water polo to football to high pitch softball to volleyball to floor hockey to hawaiin football, etc.. and I played just about everything and it was a blast.

At the time I did not want to get stuck having to commute from home being from the LA area. UCLA did not guarantee either on campus housing nor parking passes (at least at that time.. I don’t know now) Part of the college experience I though was definitely getting out of the nest, so to be honest I did not waste the money to even apply to UCLA given those factors.

Lastly the beach is great fun and tijuana was tremendous fun for responsible youngsters back in the day. A great bridge to turning 21 for kids, but not so great if you do not trust your kids haha.

by Penny2i on Mar 12, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

The UCs release at different times

If I remember correctly I heard from Davis pretty early, then UCLA, then Cal, and then UCSD last.

But best of luck to Jen. College is what you make it, so as long as she’s happy she will do great!

by Sideout11 on Mar 12, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

66...

I’ve heard the OSU coach’s brother-in-law went to Oxy.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Mar 12, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

2yrs at a JC and you can be a guaranteed in at UCLA

SMCC is a direct feeder. Save some dough and be a Bruin.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

DePaul .. I had no idea

Was surprised to see that in papers. UConn … we heard about that earlier this week. It looks like we weren’t the only one hearing that scoop as it is now out on other boards.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He said in interview that he has an oral commit

at point guard, that he wasn’t allowed to disclose. I’m still wondering who that might be, but no one responded.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Zeke Jones

Not hard to figure out and already discussed a lot on BN.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't realize he was just an oral commit.

I thought this meant someone else. Thanks for clarification.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Class of 66 and 86

Go to the UCLA Admissions page. The decisions are available online through the portals. Not by email, must go to the site.

by PopnFried on Mar 12, 2010 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

OK thanks

Formerly UCLA Class of 86

by Class of 86 on Mar 12, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Imagine if Drago had been suspended

for the year for that felony. Our season probably would have been better. At least players like Brendan Lane would have had time to develop.

by Icey Hotshot on Mar 12, 2010 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

+1

Seriously, that could have been the best thing to happen for this program…to have actually had a player suspended…sheesh

by bruin 95 on Mar 12, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

wouldn't that mean he'd be back for next season

don’t take away the ONLY bright spot for my night, which is that i don’t have to see drag put on a UCLA uniform ever again

by bruinbunz on Mar 12, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Would he be eligible? He had already played in at least one game this season when his legal troubles came up, I thought…

by Icey Hotshot on Mar 12, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Howland better be praying

Rag is not found guilty. His decision is going to look even worse than it was … if he is found guilty. He should have never let him back on the basketball court until he had thoroughly taken care of the matter in the other court.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I was surprised he wasn’t suspended. Look at what has happened to Massoli. It would have been a far less frustrating year. You were so right, and I was so wrong on Drago.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I mentioned BOB last Wed to a WI fan.

He said he’d cut him off for the season, he’s right.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Mar 12, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon and chip kelly

CBH should take notice of what discipline and sacrifice is looking at Oregon football. Masoli suspended for the year!!!!

by hongerelli on Mar 13, 2010 8:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey CBH! Words to live by:

“The actions that our players take when they’re in the community and they’re not on the football field or in the classroom, are just as important to us,” he said. “How they behave as student-athletes here, it’s not just on the field. And if they cross that line, I’ve said all along there will be a punishment that will go along with that.” – Chip Kelly

by hongerelli on Mar 13, 2010 8:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

you are right

sadly, CBH’s season can continue to get worse if the ND legal situation goes that way.

by britishbruin on Mar 13, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Step back from the ledge

Take a deep breath brothers and sisters. We lost to a veteran team that had to play their best to beat us. Don’t forget we have 3 freshmen and 2 sophs in our top 7 players. We have the nucleus of a good team next year with a top class coming in. The Pac 10 will be there for the taking. I’ve seen a lot of young Bruins look like bums as frosh and soph including Sidney Wicks and Marques Johnson. They both wound up being NCAA players of the year(Iknow they had the Wizzard coaching them). Just saying that it take one or two years of college competition to develope these kids. Hang in there.

by timostouts on Mar 12, 2010 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

cal's play was not the issue

it was our play and especially the coaching. same thing all season and during some critical games of the past.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Mar 12, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal is a better team

They are led by 4 seniors and are simply a much better team than us. That isn’t to say that we still couldn’t have won had man of our deficiencies been cured, but Cal is clearly a better team than we were this year.

by bruinponcho on Mar 12, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

When I saw them last night, they just were much more physically mature, Christopher for instance, looked like he had a pro body. None of our guys do.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

What is the tone on the other UCLA boards?

Are they upset with the coaching this season?

Concerned about the failure to play BL, MM and JMM?

Worried about the same things that surfaced here?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

Wait, so what is the deal with all the rumors??

Moser is transferring for certain? What about JMM? And Howland is looking elsewhere?

by bruinbunz on Mar 12, 2010 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

Nothing is certain

Just lots of chatter coming from reliable sources.

by Nestor on Mar 12, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

If he leaves, he leaves...

It’s not ideal, I understand. But we’re UCLA. We’ll reload.

by DoubleTroubleBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

Not that simple anymore

Just being UCLA won’t count for $h!t if the program is run like a circus. We already had 7 years of it prior to Howland.

by UCLA4Life on Mar 12, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Silver linings

If you ignore Nik, the girls in that picture are definitely not ugly.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

like I said

not ugly.

…not finding many other silver linings for the moment

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Mar 12, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Rather see two players who couldn't crack the lineup

on this mediocre team leave than lose a high profile coach who can bring the program back.
Next year, we have TH, RN, BL, ML, Lazeric Jones, Josh Smith and Tyler Lamb, with JA playing backup minutes and perhaps another good point guard fighting for the starting spot. Anthony Stover may get some minutes. That doesn’t sound terrible to me. Starting over with a coach similar to Kevin O’Neil woud be a huge step down. Player who could play, TH and RN, played huge minutes. Bobo showed flashes, but really is still a project. MM might be a great player, but I highly doubt it.

I support the program, and that means I support the Coach under these circumstances. I don’t always understand his decisions, could not believe his continued play of Rago over that last few games, but I am looking forward to a better program next year, with a solid base of players.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

agree...

so long as he wants to be coach and bleeds teh blue and gold like the rest of us.

by DoubleTroubleBruin on Mar 12, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I wish he was an alum, like CRN.

by 75NatChamps on Mar 12, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand

But we’ve tried that before, it didn’t work out well. Any suggestions?

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Mar 12, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

On a different and brighter note

My cousin has been informed that she got into UCLA!

"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent

by Yoyo on Mar 12, 2010 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

Admissions

There is always the appeal process and trying to get in through Marching Band has also been done. Good luck -we need people who want to be here

by john4justice on Mar 12, 2010 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

Nestor - maybe an admissions open thread?

Not tonight as I’m sure we’re all just pissed and want to be here, but maybe tomorrow?

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me about that

Last year, I was in CA and went to a game. I asked the band director how hard it was to get into the band or the guard and told him I had a daughter who was doing both. He said it was very hard and asked where Jen went to school. When I told him, “Texas” he told me he had just returned from Texas and had judged band competitons there. He said that if Jen was good enough to be in a Texas band she was likely good enough to get into the UCLA band and that if she did not get admitted on her first try to contact him and he’d see what he could do.

Does this work? Jen will get incredible rec’s from her band director and was captain and choreographer for her guard this year.

I’m hoping she will get in without it but would love to know how to appeal to the band if needed.

Thanks.

PS. I know, I’m her dad, but I have some incredible pictures of her in guard and there are some YouTube video’s too.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 12, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Where I used to work, one of the supervisors contacted Coach to write a letter for his son-in-law to transfer into UCLA Law from $c Law. Don’t know if made any difference. Then again the guy went to UCLA in the 50’s. An extreme geezer.

Geezer in training.

by 10amla on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It definitely works.

I knew about 10 kids who got into UCLA through the band appeals process, and I’m sure there were many more. I hear it works more often for Brass or Percussion players but one of my friends played clarinet and got in. I also heard the band director is getting married this year so he might be in a particularly good mood with this class :-). But let’s hope it’s a moot point.

by CafeLA on Mar 12, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I know some people got in on auditions in my day

…but Jen hadn’t even been born at that point. (Wow, I’m a candidate for pre-geezerhood!) I don’t know if the rules have changed. I would imagine that some things may be different, but the director’s still the same. I’m thinking it wouldn’t hurt to contact him regardless – ask about admissions help if needed, but even if she gets in right away as we all hope it wouldn’t be a bad idea to get in touch with him to express interest. It’s not like he has any tournament travel to prepare for!
http://www.uclaband.com/links/index.php

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

This is absolutely still done today

I’m not sure exactly how it’s going to work this coming year (with the cuts and all), but there are definitely people in the band right now who would not be at UCLA if not for Gordon’s intervention. From what I’ve heard, the qualification threshold is still very high, and none of it is well-publicized (for obvious reasons), but it’s worth a shot. The worst you can get is a “Sorry, we can’t do anything for you.”

by b d on Mar 13, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Why

are you so certain that ND was CBH’s favorite? UCLA fans trash everyone who isn’t a future NBA starter or under-skilled overachiever. If you were coaching freshman who aren’t Love or Durant and are going to have limited success, why would you subject them to those attacks? Why would you destroy the psyche of young players?

I’m not going to defend CBH’s game planning, or his recruiting. I’m not going to defend his stubborn refusal to explore a style of play that better suits his players over a style of play that he believes ideal. What I will say is this… ND is the face of this season and hated by seemingly every Bruin I know. He didn’t get a curtain call. Instead, he was left on the floor to go down with the ship.

Going into next season, not a single returning player is viewed as responsible for this year. Not one returning player is blamed or disliked for their role in this catastrophe. Howland and ND have received every ounce of blame for the season we have had to endure. I actually think that is a good thing. If CHB is to turn this around, this is the only way it could be.

I genuinely don’t believe ND received some sort of “favorite son” treatment. I think he was a sacrificial lamb. If I’m right… it worked brilliantly. CBH protected every single returning player from responsibility for this season. With the opportunity to frame their own legacy without the burden of this failure, it is time to regroup and build again. Go Bruins!

Dustball!

by dustball on Mar 12, 2010 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

And we have a winner!

for most ignorant post of the season. Congratulations. You’ve just won a tongue (text?) lashing by Nestor. Enjoy!

by Sideout11 on Mar 12, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll take it

At some point Bruin fans have to accept that it wasn’t lack of effort that did in ND… HE SUCKS!!! PERIOD!! He’s never been any good. Maybe effort was a problem too, but does anyone think he could have been much better? HE’S TERRIBLE

In regards to the young guys… These are kids! I realize I’m getting old when I say this, but at 18 years old, NO ONE deserves the kind of ridicule that college players receive. This isn’t a UCLA thing. This is symptomatic of all high level programs. It’ll never happen, but I would be in favor of returning to the days when freshman couldn’t play varsity. Most simply do not have the life experience to be able to handle the burden of carrying a national power, and they shouldn’t be expected to.

At the end of the day, I genuinely hope everyone takes a step back to realize that our future rests in the hands of guys who aren’t even a year out from their senior prom.

Dustball!

by dustball on Mar 12, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I think people here a while ago realize that Drago wasn't going to change

at which point the onus was on Howland to take him out. Dragovic or not this wasn’t going to be a very good season, but Howland made sure it was also one with no player development, effort, or consistency.

Yes, there have been some personal shots at players, but that mostly occurred in the game threads out of sheer frustration. When Nestor goes off on Rag in one of his posts, it’s not to say that if he had shot less or played better defense we would have won. It’s to show the message Howland has been sending his team this whole year.

There has also been (valid) criticism of Jerime Anderson’s overall play, Malcolm Lee’s conditioning, Reeves Nelson’s attitude, etc. But unlike Rag, they all got the quick hook from Howland at the first sign of trouble.

I agree that the age and pressures on these kids need to be kept in mind, but I also feel it is completely fair to critically evaluate their play. They are on scholarship to play basketball, not get good grades or mature over time. Yes those other things are very important, but if a player should be immune from criticism because he is young, then I want to know why I am not going here for free too. To whom much is given, much is expected.

In the end, this season is on Howland. We are all aware that other players on this team underperformed, but I think it is reasonable to conclude some of this may have to do with team psyche. Also, we can’t really tell how good BL, JMM, or MM are when they are stuck on the bench behind Dragovic.

by Sideout11 on Mar 12, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Until tonight, I genuinely disliked JA more than ND

Then, ND shot us out of a winnable game on three consecutive possessions, and JA knocked Jerome Randle on his ass while Randle was going for a pile-it-on layup.

I hope this abomination of a season convinces JA and ML to work on their skillsets on the offseason. If JA can learn to guard a decent pg and ML can learn how to play the way he played at Notre Dame on command, they will turn this team around next year. I hope CBH can reconnect with this team now that ND is gone, because if he can’t, we’re going to be in trouble for a long time.

by b d on Mar 13, 2010 1:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll actually agree with some of that

I have made many critical remarks toward Dragovich. While I think it’s understandable that we criticize his basketball skills, or absence of them, I do feel badly about the personal criticisms levelled at him, and I wish I hadn’t said many of the things I did. While I was plenty disappointed with his decisions in games, his behavior off the floor, and his apparent attitude toward his performance and the team, in the end, he is a college kid playing a game. I think we should always temper our criticism of the kids.

The ultimate responsibility for leaving him in games, and for not coaching him to make better decisions, and for playing him in the face of his legal issues, lies with an adult who is being paid lots and lots of money by a financially challenged University system.

And though I have been, and am still an overall supporter of CBH, I have come to accept that he is currently the rightful target of our criticisms and frustrations.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Mar 12, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He was left on the floor

to go down with the ship he torpedoed.

by KSBruin on Mar 12, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

How about a Mike Roll (last of the Mohicans) tribute on the front page?

As many problems, disgraces and letdowns we’ve had this year, MR made us all proud this year by not complaining, playing tough and fighting to the end. I hope he stays involved with UCLA bball.

by RideUCLA on Mar 12, 2010 10:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

It's a lot easier to say to recruits

“Let’s clean up that guys mess and return UCLA to glory” than it is to say “let’s clean up my mess so we can return UCLA to glory.”

There’s a huge difference between those 2 statements and if I’m a recruit I turn down the second one.

by Sideout11 on Mar 12, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

This may be the best post

that sums up this program moving forward.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Mar 13, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate speculation...

and want to wait and see how this all plays out but I truly hope that there is not something bad boiling up behind the scenes and that CBH is making a mad dash a la calipari or cheatey Peetey. I truly believe in CBH and what he has done for this program. I hope nothing comes out to change my views.

by awbruin on Mar 12, 2010 11:43 PM PST reply actions  

Great article by Jill Painter on Michael and Drago

She compares their very different endings, points out fans reactions to the two, and discusses how Drago shot us out of the game. Wow! A really honest article about this, at last. And some funny stuff about the Cal fans treatment of Drago. I thought I was the only one yelling at Howland to take him out.

http://www.dailynews.com/ucla/ci_14668423

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Mar 13, 2010 6:52 AM PST reply actions  

Howland called Drago's number to shoot?

Reinforces thoughts here that BH was part of the problem not the solution.

Calling the number is one step more aggressive than simply enabling.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 13, 2010 6:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Why does Howland feel that the team needs Dragovic to shoot well for the team to win games? And if he’s not shooting well, he’s not contributing. Howland keeps good stats, surely he would have realized that Dragtheteamdown that wasn’t making shots. But nope… instead CBH for whatever reason decided to hitch his wagon to a dead mule.

by UCLA4Life on Mar 13, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

And 2 telling quotes from Gold:

First on Drago: “After hitting a 3-pointer to give UCLA it’s last lead at 44-42, Dragovic took bad shot after bad shot, finishing with eight points on 3-of-12 shooting, making just 1-of-8 3-pointers.”

Then from Michael: ""It didn’t feel like they played me any different, the team kind of went away from me," said Roll, who led all scorers with 27 points and became the 49th Bruin to reach the 1,000-point plateau. “They tried to get it going elsewhere, other people were taking shots. It was just frustrating. I had it going, and I had it going late, too. I wanted to keep it going.”

The post also says the RN had tired legs. I had wondered why he was out a lot in the 2nd half.

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Mar 13, 2010 6:58 AM PST reply actions  

The mistake that was 2009-10 UCLA Mens Basketball

Everyone makes mistakes.

Most deserve a second chance.

Some mistakes are worse than others.

Some mistakes you only get to make once. ONCE.

Never again.

"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09

by Blue Me on Mar 13, 2010 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

we don't need ND to shoot well to win games

But we can’t overcome that kind of shooting performance from him if we can’t defend and aren’t getting perfect games from everyone else.

In terms of analysis: ND killed us with horrible shots, which weren’t even close; he had a few good defensive moments, but nothing close to offsetting his shooting. JA had his best offensive game of the season but couldn’t guard convincingly – maybe a hard foul earlier on Randle would have been more effective. We got another disappointing showing from TH, taking himself out of the game with fouls. RN tried hard but was a man-child playing against men inside. ML hustled well on defense. BL was completely outmatched against people with senior bodies.

Defense – in my opinion, the man-to-man worked in the first half even though we gave up 50% shooting, because it helped us win the first half rebounding battle and helped us spark some offense in transition and get some easy baskets. JA did get abused a few times, but the overall effect was that we were leading.

In the second half, it didn’t seem to matter whether we were playing zone or man, we were being scored on with ease, whether through penetration (which the zone is supposed to discourage) or through Cal’s superior outside shooting. And we stopped getting so many easy baskets on our offensive end.

It also looked like we ran out of gas – partly because we had played a tough game the day before, partly because some of our guys aren’t fully healthy, partly because of the short rotation. I wonder if the game plan was to try to come out on fire and put Cal in the hole, and then hope Montgomery would start thinking about resting some of his players for the NCAA tourney. We looked like we were really hustling to start the game, but couldn’t maintain down the stretch.

by britishbruin on Mar 13, 2010 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

Calling ND's number (according to Painter)

If this is true that after missing a shot,CBH called ND’s number, well that is very discouraging. It’s bad enough to think the guy would just be putting up bad shots, but if BH was encouraging that and/or calling for it, well, I will pull back some of my feelings about ND and put them all on the coach. God, that makes me mad. What we could all see, what Cal could see (their fans yelling for drago to shoot), it’s like he just gave away this game and so many more. And by him, I mean Howland…not Drago. If he’s looking to move to somewhere like UCONN…well, you’ve got to be kidding me, why would any big time program want him after this year. Also, it’s one thing to leave ND in a game, but even worse to be calling on him to take the shots. This would even more clearly explain the disgust among the other players. When TH fouled out Thursday, as he walked by Howland, Howland tried to say something to him and TH just brushed him off, literally with his hand and figuratively, walking by and ignoring him. At the time I wasn’t sure what to make of it, TH could have been upset with himself, but who knows, it could be part of the frustration with Howland. I just can’t believe the dude kept calling his number!!!!!!!

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Mar 13, 2010 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

Monty in the huddle:

“Okay, here’s what we’re going to do in the second half. Guard everyone up close, but if you see Dragovich outside, lay off of him. Don’t guard him on the outside. Do you hear me? He’ll shoot it every time, and even if he makes 1 out of 8, that’s 7 turnovers. We get the long rebound, race to the other end, getting an easy lay up or a wide open 3, and the games ours.”

Go Bruins!

by uclaluv on Mar 13, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

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