Spring Forward To Spaulding: Thoughts On UCLA's Defensive Backs
Late last month we had some news concerning shifting around in the defensive personnel which included moving of Nate Chandler from TE to DT and shifting Glenn Love from SS to the LB corps. That gave us an opportunity to project the spring depth chart of our front-7 on defense. So I thought we use today to size up our defensive backfield.
We also had another move recently which shifted redshirt senior RB Christian Ramirez over to safety. I didn't have a lot of time to expand on that move when it was announced. So might as well think it out a bit more in this post as we go over our current depth at secondary. I like the move for few reasons. First, Ramirez came into UCLA as a safety/defensive back. I think at 6-2, 222 he has pretty decent frame to play SS. The question around him is the issue of durability. If he can stay away from knick knack injuries, I think he has the potential to emerge as a contributor. So with Ramirez at SS here is how the depth chart shapes up.
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LC |
SS |
FS |
RC |
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Sheldon Price (6-2, 163, Fr) (10) |
Tony Dye (5-11, 199, So) (12) |
Rahim Moore (6-1, 197, So) (12) |
Aaron Hester (6-1, 203, Fr**)(1) |
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Courtney Viney (5-8, 160, So** (1) |
Stan McKay (6-1, 188, Fr**) |
Dalton Hilliard (6-0, 194, Fr) |
Andrew Abbott (5-10, 176, Fr**^) |
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Brandon Sermons (5-11, 183, So) |
Christian Ramirez (6-2, 222, Sr**) |
Alex Mascarenas (5-10, 176, Fr**) |
Marlon Pollard (6-0, 158, Fr**) |
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Jeff Dickman (5-9. 183, So**^) |
Lowell Rose (6-0, 186, So**^) |
** denotes red-shirt
^ denotes walk-on
() indicates number of games started in 09
So few things to keep in mind. I put together the depth chart based on what our depth chart looked like in our media guide for the Eagle Bank Bowl (p. 33), our roster (as available on the official site), and the OC Register notes on projected depth chart for next season.
So the weights listed above are somewhat outdated. We already saw from the Rahim Moore video posted over the weekend that he has gone north of 200lbs and trying very hard to get up to 205-210 range. Rahim is probably the only sure bet with a secured position as starter this spring. He had a surreal season building on an amazing freshman campaign. I think his third season will be about proving himself not only as the ball hawking center fielder, but also showing of physical component to his game. As for rest of the guys, let's hope it will be an all out intense competition this spring and upcoming summer camp to figure out how this depth chart is going to shape up in August.
Let's start with Ramirez's move to safety. I already heard encouraging feedback about McKay being a great hitter during last year practices. If both McKay and Ramirez emerge as viable options at SS, perhaps the coaches will have the luxury to consider moving Tony Dye over to one of the corner spots? I think Dye may have the potential to emerge as a physical corner who will not only be effective in bumping and running skilled Pac-10 receivers, but also be effective in providing support in run stoppage.
That takes me to Hester and Price. Hester had a rough debut as a redshirt freshman getting hurt in our first game against San Diego State. He was never able to make it back at 100 percent. I still have high hopes for him because it seems like he has all the physical tools to be a great corner. As for Sheldon Price, the kid improved as the season went along (he didn't look like a total rag doll by the end of the season). However, we really hope he is having a great off-season in terms of gaining weight and getting stronger.
I really hope Brandon Sermons and Marlon Pollard have great spring in terms of pushing Price and Hester every day for the starting spots. Sermons was used sparingly last season and Pollard was red-shirted. So if they have gained more weight and gotten stronger, perhaps they will be ready to make some moves this spring. Also, we cannot forget about Courtney Viney. Viney did an admirable job last season when he stepped in after Hester went down. He was a pretty physical in his start against the Voluneteers. He then got suspended for one game and never regained his starting spot. He got some action against Arizona in Tuscon but got badly burnt. I think Viney can still be helpful to this team as a nickel back and his experience is going to be helpful for the younger guys around the program.
In terms of making moves, Dalton Hilliard is looking like a total beast in the latest workout video released by the athletic center. He is another one of those kids whose name comes up a lot in terms of making mark in practice field. He is of course playing behind an All American in Rahim Moore. So he is not going to break in as FS. He seems to provide solid depth in that rotation. Also at FS spot, ATV had some nice things to say about Masceranas during last summer's workout. So hopefully he has kept it up.
In terms of new comers, here is the secondary crew from this year's recruiting class:
Newcomers: cornerback Anthony Jefferson; cornerback Tevin McDonald; cornerback Shaquille Richardson; safety Dietrich Riley
I am guessing Jefferson, McDonald and Richardson are going to be candidates for redshirts. Although we will have to keep an eye on Jefferson because his athleticism could be a wildcard. Similarly Riley could be one of the candidates for immediate PT this season as a safety. Moreover, Chow has already indicated that he is intrigued about using Riley on offense as an option in wild cat formation. So that is something we will have to keep an eye on.
Overall, it is clear there has been a talent upgrade in our defensive backfield. If you want to get some perspective check out how the depth chart looked in July of 2008 when we had walk-ons - Matt Culver, Michael Ciaccio, and Garret Rubio - take up 3 of the 6 spots at safety.
The question for our team is now is what kind of competition our coaching staff is going to be able to stage at Spaulding. For our team to take another step(s) forward next year, it is crucial these guys push each other hard in a positive way this spring and during late summer pre-season camp. Can't wait to hear all the reports on how these guys are going about it in less than three weeks.
Meanwhile, would love to hear thoughts from you guys on our secondary. Let me know if I missed something obvious or if you see the depth chart shaping up a different way. Football is lot more fun to talk about these days on BN.
GO BRUINS.
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Life After ATV
I’m looking forward to seeing what this unit can do without the leadership ATV brought to the table. Also i don’t think the loss of Carnell Lake can be understated enough. He was key to the development of a lot of guys even in his relatively short time here. Should be fun to watch…
Gahh 5:30 in the morning during finals week what the heck am i doing on BN…oh well now that i got that out of my system i guess its back to Econ…
understated? overstated?
either way my point was he was important. haha idk if that came out right in the first post.
Thanks for this writeup Nestor
I mostly agree with everything you said, especially just how exciting the defensive backfield looks. The whole “CRN only recruits skill positions” BS is officially wrong now with all this depth, and hopefully some of these kids pan out and those who don’t still contribute via special teams.
The only issue I had with the post is that I still think that Sheldon Price was beaten like a drum all year. Tore my hair out all season with his play (slow, out of position, etc.) and I’d love to see Dye get a shot across from Hester pushing Price to nickel formations until he develops some more. If Mckay develops as advertised, we’re going to have a ton of depth at safety, especially if Riley plays as a true freshman like we think he will.
Sheldon
Definitely had a hard time all season long. However, from what I saw he looked a little more at home against Temple, UDub, and ASU. I think definitely room for disagreement there. I thought he got better at pass coverage. It’s his run support ability that’s a big issue and we need huge improvement from him in that dept. this season.
He held his own in the Temple game
After a rough start indeed. Honestly, I think his ceiling is a solid nickelback (which I’ll take) but we need someone to step up and fill that other CB position opposite Hester or opposing QBs will just look one direction all day long.
I think too though, despite losing BP to the draft, that if we can improve that passrush a bit from the outside, our CBs will be the first to benefit. I have huge hopes for Ayers and Datone and between the two of them, I can see somewhere in the range of 12-15 sacks
by bruinhopeful on Mar 15, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
There is a reason why CRN and staff went to Price over the other guys although it was painfully clear to us all that Price was not physically ready. I’m very, very high on Price. Just wait until this kid hits 200lbs. Yes, he got abused a lot last year but I saw improvement. Price got thrown into the fire but IMO, he’ll be 1st Team Pac 10 before his time is done.
One concern though
He’s running track right now, so I’m not sure how that affects his offseason weight training.
by SuperBruinMan on Mar 15, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i know
Hilliard is listed at free safety but I would like to see what he can do as a SS , He did knock out presley during one of the practices that caused MP to miss a game or two. Your guys thoughts. Not saying Dye can’t or won’t do a good job I just want to see someone bring the wood.
G.Granillo
by g.granillo on Mar 15, 2010 9:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
i agree
with this. I think Hilliard would make a good SS with his athleticism, and would make for an exciting tandem back there. I guess we’ll see come spring what the coaches think of that.
by Captain Leebeard on Mar 15, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
In one of the late games, I remember seeing Hilliard coming in and just wallop the opponent. I think he’s better suited for SS but we’ll see how the depth chart plays out. Dye is solid but like you said, we need a snot inducing enforcer back there like we’ve had in the past. Also, as N pointed out, I’d like to see Dye at CB since that is what he came in as. However, if nobody beats him out, I think Bullough will side with experience considering how many new guys we’ll be breaking in on D.
I've thought for a while
That Dye was a better corner than he was a safety. He did an adequate job at safety, but I think he can be a very good corner so if some of our other safeties step up, maybe we can make that move.
It may not be this season that he steps up, but keep an eye on Alex Mascarenas. I remember him in fall practice last year looking really good for a freshman. He needs to bulk up for sure, but he has great instincts and moves really well. His size may hold him back a little, but he kept catching my eye in practices and at the worst, I think he ends up an exceptional special teams guy.
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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 15, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
Nickel package
Do you think Abbot will still be the go to guy there? I always thought Viney would be a little better in that position.
I know the coaches were very high on Pollard
from his scout team work this year. I don’t think he beats out Hester Price for the starting spot, but if one of them starts to slip or is injured, I think Pollard might be the first option off the bench to replace them. Just something to keep an eye on.
Any chance
Ramirez puts on 15 or 20 lbs and plays closer to the line at LB? Converted TB’s at LB have a history of success despite being undersized as their speed can compensate. We have good depth at Safety so I thought his may be an options.
With Love making this move, maybe this becomes less of an option. But given our lack of depth at DL will result in our MLBs getting hit more, it may make sense to add some depth at the MLB position.
nope
mainly because ramirez is in his last year. these conversions need to happen early on to bear fruit. we’ve switched this guy from db to rb to db again. in my opinion he should have been left at db the whole time or like you suggested moved to lb then.
Across The Face
you are right
You can’t learn to play LB effectively in one offseason.
C.T. Boston
I agree that at his size, Christian could be an effective LB/Safety in certain situations. Plus I think that for his last year of play, he’d want to be on the field and dish out hits rather than having to absorb them as in the past.
He seems like a good kid who could offer an interesting dimension.
by C.T. in Boston on Mar 16, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Strong Safety
We need better play from the strong safeties…I think that is what hurt us the most last season. Whoever we have there has to be smart and disciplined so I’d be more comfortable with experience. IMO DBs are the most important unit in any sound defense and in our scheme the strong safety has to do a lot. Not worried about Sheldon Price as we haven’t relied on our CBs for run support that much since the Larry Kerr years (and that didn’t work out all that well). Last season CBs were primarily deep thirds, halves, or quarters players with no run responsibility. The reason Price and ATV were forced to play the run often is that we had a lot of breakdowns from the outside LBs and the strong safeties, but if we can fix those problems then we should not be looking at CBs to play a run fit often.
I'll cry
if I see Price get run over a bunch more times this season. They better put him on Akeem Ayers’ side, so he can take care of the problem before it gets to Price.
+1
Hopefully the kid is 15-20 pounds heavier/stronger though.
May not start
This is if he even starts this year, seems like the corner position has a nice influx of talent this year.
i disagree
I think corners are extremely crucial to the run support game. For instance on a sweep, corners need to step in to either turn the play back into the LBs or make the play, WR screens are actually run plays one missed tackle there, and its a huge gain or TD. So I would say no matter what scheme CCB decides to run, everyone including CBs will have a huge impact on run support .
G.Granillo
by g.granillo on Mar 15, 2010 3:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The only time your corners are relied on to play the run is when you have corners responsible for the flat (ie cover 2 or a rotating coverage with a corner short and a safety deep). Last season we were primarily a cover 3 team with a safety dropping down to play a run fit. Against any outside play the SS or the weak OLB should be the one forcing the ball back inside. That is 8 players for 8 gaps. The three deep defenders are late run support to clean up or in case something breaks down but the CBs cannot be relied on for primary run support as their first responsibility is the pass and that deep third zone.
You can’t ask any deep coverage defender to have a run fit. It’s unreasonable and unsound to ask a kid to play deep thirds and also come up as run force. You are just setting himself up for failure. If you get a sweep/screen they can clean up but they have to be 100% sure it’s a run before they abandon the deep third. Or else you’re just asking for playaction or the back to pull up and throw it. In that case the kid is screwed either way as he is stretched way too thin..that’s just bad coaching, not a bad player.
I think we saw Sheldon Price struggling against the run a lot last season because there were breakdowns by the force players – as I said, SS/OLB play was pretty weak. When Dye and Ayers were undisciplined or beat to the outside then the CBs were put in a really bad spot. ATV did okay but he was a talented senior; it’s really unfair to ask a true freshman to make that play and then criticize him if he does not.
by jtthirtyfour on Mar 15, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I only understand about every third or fourth word
but I’m going to go on record now saying I agree with everything jtthirtyfour says about football strategy.
I’m looking forward to your next football primer, jt.
The problem is
Price is still going to have make those plays unless we get significantly better play from our front 7+1 than last year. Bosworth got beat around the edge several times too, and Bosworth was pretty good. I guess I just don’t see Sloan, Westgate, Ayers, Bosworth, and Dye letting any less plays by them than last year.
Price needs to start eating some cheeseburgers and tacos (ok, maybe Linn has some better menu items, but you get the picture.)
i was
Disagreeing with the captain
G.Granillo
by g.granillo on Mar 15, 2010 3:25 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I know this is off topic
but how awesome are the throwback uniforms?! Can we please drop our current look and go back to our old traditional blue and gold?
Which ones?
I like the ones worn during late ‘90s early ’00s Toledo’s era—-UCLA blue and yellow/gold seriph numerals. Although I do like the old school blue and white numerals in the 60s throw backs for special occassions.
I don’t like the blue getting darker, starting to move towards Cal off-the-shelf blue instead of the UCLA blue created especially for the school.
by C.T. in Boston on Mar 16, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Where is Barr?
I noticed that Barr was ommited from the newcomers list. Could he be used at safety? I agree that the talent level is so superior to recent years and will be evident when the unavoidable injuries occur.
Huh
I guess I did forget about him. I think he could make a lot of sense at safety. However, I had read that he was going to get a shot at RB as well. Honestly, not sure yet where he is going to end up at. He would make sense at safety. I could also see him getting redshirted for one of the LB spots as well. Great catch.
Let's hope
he isn’t Christian Ramirez part 2.
Big target
with his upright running style at 6’2 he could take a lot of punishment at RB. He has the size and weight to play all 3 levels on defense.
My prediction
Hester, Price, and Jefferson will battle it out for the two starting spots. Viney will be a solid nickel option, but I really like what Jefferson brings to the table. The kid has all the tools to contribute right away.
I think Moore and Dye will end up starting as our safeties, but Hilliard, Ramirez, and McKay will be in the mix. Mascarenas I don’t think will play a factor and I think Pollard and Sermons will behind the other corners, simply because the other guys (except Jefferson, who has the athletic gifts to compensate) have in-game experience. I wouldn’t be shocked if Pollard takes the place of one of the three if someone goes down with injury.
Barr, with his size, is too tall to be a legit RB at the college level: I’d expect him to put on some weight and end up in LB. With his speed, he’ll be a good replacement for Ayers when Ayers jumps early to go pro.
Just speculation really, but it’s fun to guess, isn’t it?
by Bellerophon on Mar 15, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Definitely a lot of fun
when you have the chess pieces to work with. Again the comparison to that dept chart from July of 2008 is mindboggling.
On Barr...
…the OCR is calling Barr to LB in the same series of articles:
Some think Barr fits best at linebacker, which is where he also makes the most sense in terms of need.
Sermons & Ramirez
N, you have Sermons as a So & Ramirez as a SR. The way you are listing year in school they would be Fr. & Jr. Since you are listing depth charts for next season what do you think about listing their year in school relative to that football season (2010)? I get excited when I see Rahim as a Soph thinking we have 3 years left.
My revised depth chart
I fixed their class status and anticipated certain weight gains.
LCB – Sheldon Price So 6’2 175, Andrew Abbott RSo 5’10 180, Marvin Pollard RFr 6’0 170
While Price played RCB last year and Verner played LCB, I’m pretty sure the coaches prefer to keep Hester at RCB and play Price at LCB. In addition, Abbott was the back up to Verner last year at LCB so I don’t see him moving to RCB. Hopefully Price is around 10 pounds heavier and stronger.
SS – Tony Dye Jr 5’11 205, Stan McKay RFr 6’1 200, Christian Ramirez RSr 6’2 220
As much as people (including me) want to see Dye moved to CB, I don’t see the coaches doing it. As long as Dye has gotten stronger I’m hoping he can do a better job in run support.
FS – Rahim Moore Jr 6’1 205, Dalton Hilliard 6’0 205 So, Dietrich Riley Fr 6’1 200
I think we all expect Moore to have a big year. He should be a much more physical defensive back this year. Riley might play SS. I think Mascarenas should be moved to WR. He’s too small to play FS at 5’11 176. Alex played WR in HS.
RCB – Aaron Hester RSo 6’1 205, Courtney Viney RJr 5’8 165, Brandon Sermons So 5’11 190
Viney played RCB last year so I don’t see him moving over to LCB either. I am hoping the incoming defensive backs can all redshirt. Anthony Jefferson might be ready to play at CB but it might be best to convert him into a free safety. At 6’2 180 he can grow into the free safety position nicely.
Shaquille Richardson and Tevin McDonald should redshirt.
UCLA has been playing way too many true freshmen in the past and many of them struggle. It’s time for the coaches to start developing the guys who currently exist on the roster. UCLA has to stop going through all these growing pains of playing so many young guys. If the coaches cannot develop the existing guys then something must be wrong with their coaching.

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