Sleepless Howland Calls Out The Character Of His Recruits, Issues More Mea Culpa
Well this is going to be interesting. It was just a matter of time for the piranha of the LA Times - aka TJ Simers - to make his way into the troubled basketball waters in Westwood. He got to it this week as Ben Howland is all but certain to compile only the third losing season in UCLA basketball's history since John Wooden took over the program.
Simers has a profile on Howland in which the coach sounds contrite and reflective. As Howland has done throughout his career he took responsibility and issued mea culpa (more on that later in this post) for this unacceptable season. The comment that really stands out from the column is Howland's direct call out of the "character" of his "recruits" (emphasis added):
"You can say I know failure because that's what it has been relative to our expectations here," he says. "It's no fun. I have sleepless nights wondering how the heck did we get here.
"But all of it starts right here with me. I'm in charge of making this program competitive year after year, but I did a poor job of evaluation of some of our recruits — from a talent, as well as a character standpoint."
First of all, I appreciate the fact that Coach Howland is indeed concerned about what is going on instead of "sleeping well." That said, Howland's comments about "our recruits" (in plural) is more than interesting. It means he is referring to other guys besides Drew Gordon. It will not be unreasonable to speculate that he is also referring to Jrue Holiday and also possibly other players in his current program. If that is the case it is pretty troubling. It also raises a number of questions.
If Howland is not happy with the character of any of his current players, the question is why should they still be on the team? Otherwise, it is not helpful for him to send signals publicly that he is unhappy with some of the current players until the season is over. Howland also specifically mentioned the character of his classic Ben Ball warriors:
"The bottom line is it's about players," Howland says. "The reason we had success with those three Final Four teams was because we had really good players, that were not only great players, but great competitors and great kids.
"You can see it in the nine kids that are in the NBA now — seven of them starting and the two that aren't, Jordan Farmar and Kevin Love, two of the best we've had here."
We can't disagree with Howland here. However, that also raises the question why he continued to reward a guy like Nikola Dragovic playing time, even though he showed ZERO character on the court and questionable judgment off it.
If Howland is not happy with the character of his recruits (other than Drew Gordon) than he needs to be lot more transparent about it. Again at this point it is a safe guess he was also referring to his relationship with Jrue Holiday, which deteriorated - at least in the public eye - fast after he benched him following his putrid defensive effort against Klay Thompson. The problem with that is Howland also coddled Holiday by basically giving him mins all through last season, even though Malcolm Lee was bringing more effort and hustle as a defensive 2 guard (people can go back and watch the Arizona State game on February 12th). Again the way he gave Jrue (and also JS) preferential treatment was not as noticeable with what he has done with Rag, but it was there and it really set the tone of a culture of entitlement that has rotted away at the core of his program.
I appreciate the fact that Ben Howland is reflective and contrite in public. However, I have questions and doubts about whether he is capable from learning from his mistakes. It looks like he issued yet another mea culpa this week:
"Brendan Lane in retrospect I should've played him more minutes. He did a great job on a sprained ankle on Saturday. Of course he makes mistakes, but when you make mistakes out of trying as hard as you can, it's hard to fault kids for that."
This follows the mea culpa from last week when he stated that he should have pulled Rag for taking his usual dumb shots with plenty of time left in the shot clock. Yet after that reflection he went on to play Rag for another 30+ mins letting him take the same stupid shots (without exerting any effort on either end of the court) the following week.
We have also seen mea culpa from earlier this season on how he should have gone to zone sooner. That came after it took him almost half the season to figure out what everyone else was seeing. We have gotten mea culpa from him in previous season on how he screwed up James Keefe's red shirt season, only to watch in horror this year how he essentially wasted Mike Moser's year by rotting him on the bench.
All of this just gets really old after a while. So with that backdrop I am little weary of Howland calling out his players' characters at this point of the season. I am glad that he is being reflective and contrite. I am glad that he is losing sleep of this mess (which he should since he is the one responsible for creating this mess). However, he needs to show discernible progress during the upcoming recruiting periods this spring, summer and coming fall and on the court next season. It means he and his staff needs to close out this recruiting period strong, bring in a great class for 2011. He then needs to produce more than a subpar season barely getting us back to the tournament in 2010-11, setting us up for a Final-4 type of run in the following one.
We are giving Howland a mulligan for his one recruiting class (2008) screw up (even though he started digging this hole in 2006). If Howland was another coach without those 3 runs to the Final-4 and Pac-10 championships, he would be on the firing line right now. Instead his seat is just warm (and again for those who cannot read: we are not calling him to be fired) now. It will be up to him to cool it down which he can do by bringing in the right recruits, recommit his program to players who are grounded on defense and fundamentals (unlike you know who), and produce results on the court. If he doesn't get it done in next two years, he is not going to be able to get away by doubting characters of his own recruits.
GO BRUINS.
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I have some trouble with this
If anyone lacks character in the blue and gold, the Serbian bricklayer is the leading candidate, and to take a swipe at anyone else turns that swipe into pure hypocrisy. Dragovic has been an embarrassment on the court to the uniform and off the court to the university. So let’s keep things in perspective.
I have no love lost for Jrue Holiday, even as he suffers through a season on my local pro team. But Holiday is a point guard, not a shooter, and as someone pointed out on a thread the other day, perhaps we might have been better served last year with him at point and DC at the 2, a sort of Hazzard-Goodrich pairing. Sure, DC is an all-time Bruin and deserved precedence, but a little creativity with the lineup might have served us better with the talent we had last year.
Mea culpa and dumping on his recruits is sort of like the standard media apology these days—I’m sorry if I offended anyone. What he’s saying is, my bad, I recruited a bunch of losers and didn’t know it until too late. That’s great for team chemistry, no? Not to mention a big lift for incoming recruits.
I’m willing to throw out this season as an anomaly, but like you, N, I’d like to see some shakeup on the bench, with someone to play the Kerry Keating/Jamie Dixon recruiting role. Even without that, let’s see if we can’t put together a solid year next year, with the brilliant TH (who reminds me of Keith Wilkes when he was still Keith Wilkes), RN, BL, and the incoming freshmen. Even with a losing season, we’re miles ahead of where we were when CBH arrived. Now let’s get back to the top.
I'm not so sure that JH is that great of a PG...
…I see what you’re saying, that it’s probably the best spot for him, but frankly, I’ve always been a bit perplexed about where his best spot is given his size and skills. A good shooter, but not great (yet – -he can get better). Good floor vision, but not a great passer, and not as quick of a first step as the best point guards. Good decision-maker usually. But not enough size for posting up. So, not enough of a dependable shooter to be a 2, and really, I don’t think his ball-handling sills are that exceptional for the 1. I wasn’t that sad to see him ‘one-and-done’ but given what’s happened since, if he was still in school (and hadn’t treated UCLA so shabbily by pretending to be a student-athlete), at the college level he could have been a solid contributor, and this season might not have been so ugly.
Strongly agree with your last point, but...
I don’t think you can fault Howland for playing DC at the point and keeping Jrue at the 2 last season. I just don’t see how you can change the position of one of the best players to suit up in recent memory to suit the needs of a freshman. The problem is DC unexpectedly decided to stay (wish we had more “problems” like that) and that impacted Howland’s plans for Jrue. Jrue just chose not to stick around to take the wheel when it was available. I think that speaks to youth and possibly character.
I think the issue here is
it would have been nice if Howland changed it up sometimes and let Holiday play pg and set up DC at 2. We pleaded for it few times last season not as a permanent change but more to take advantage of DC’s terrific shooting touch. It never happened and it goes back to the question of Howland not being flexible.
He didnt take the ball out of Farmar's hands and give it to DC
And he didn’t take the ball out of DC’s hands to give it to Westbrook. I’m fine with him not coddling Holiday. Never heard Westbrook or Collison complain when they weren’t the main pg. I don’t hate jrue like a lot of other fans, its fine he bolted to the nba, he’s starting at philly, but I don’t think that is where Howland made the errors. I do agree with you that Holiday should have spent 5-10 minutes as back up pg, JA should not have really played at all.
he did take the ball out of Farmar's hands
we often played DC and JF together in DC’s freshman year, which is how he got ~20 mins a game.
Difference here is that bringing one player in at their natural position and shifting one player is different from swapping two players and having two players play different positions from their regular position.
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I realize DC got a lot of time
But a good deal was with Farmar on the Bench or sidelined with his ankle injury. I don’t recall DC bringing the ball up with Farmar playing the 2 to be a regular occurance
DC was mostly a backup
but when he did play with JF, JF was the 2.
just out of curiosity i pulled my iphone with the gonzaga - ucla game
out of my pocket and started to try to remember how we looked. looks like when they were together I counted farmar bringing it up 3 times, collison 2 so far.. obviously not a great sample size.
on a side note there were times we had farmar, collison, afflalo, mbah moute, hollins (5 nba-ers) on the court at the same time. Howland also was liberally substituting players like roll, aboya, bozeman pretty often. i.e. using the bench
-ahh the recent glory days
season stats
DC – 39 games, 19.2 mins per
JF – 37 games, 30.4 per.
Even if DC played 40 mins total in each of the games Farmar missed, that still means they played at least 8 mins per game with both on the court
Its great to throw up ideas with no accountability
DC was a premier college point guard. He was the general on the floor. JH was inconsisent all through the season and lost time to MR as the season progressed. Ok, he might have tried the switch, but just because you called for it doesn’t make it a superior strategy. He certainly shouldn’t have made the switch to coddle JH.
by 75NatChamps on Mar 3, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What are the odds of a turnaround?
Just as you said N, I think Howland is the best man for this job next season. However I am wondering how is this team going to get better? I am trying to be optimistic, but if howland has shown a history of playing favorites with the players that don’t deserve merit ( read Brickola ), and has a history of wasting talent on the bench, and let’s not forget a history of poor game management, then how do we get to those benchmarks for next 2 seasons?
by cyberdbk on Mar 3, 2010 6:24 AM PST via mobile reply actions
My two cents
ND will finally be gone. I’m betting a couple of underclassmen will search for greener pastures as well. This will in theory go some way to decrease the unhappiness we hear about/perceive/infer in the locker room. Those departures will lead to a smaller total count of scholarship players (AS and three current recruits balance departures of ND, JK, MR, and MAH, so anyone else gone is a net loss), meaning CBH has a smaller list of options, and a lesser chance of someone getting the MM treatment next year – though I know it could still happen. TH will enter the season with experience, without injury, and with a summer’s work under his belt. Though taken as a whole our players didn’t do a lot to improve last offseason, I’d like to imagine TH pushing some of his teammates over the summer.
All these factors lead me to believe that CBH should be able to get whoever’s on next year’s team to battle for the top of a still-weak Pac-10.
unfortunately
other than Cal, who will be decimated by graduations, a lot of teams project to improve next year; and we still don’t really know how much we will be improved at the PG and C positions. If ML leaves as well, I don’t think we’ll be competing at the top of the Pac-10. If he stays and we find decent answers at 1 and 5, we could be very solid.
Agree
two decisions by ML will have a significant effect on next year’s team; whether he stays, and if so whether he dedicates his offseason to working on his shot and his confidence.
looking optimistically
it seems CBH ought to be able to say to ML that he won’t be pressed into PG duties again and can play happily as a 2 guard – unless Tyler Lamb proves himself an obviously better contributor than any of our point guards, or TH is somehow forced to play the 2 to accommodate some combination of Lane, Nelson and Moser as forwards, it seems that he should be able to settle in his position all year.
He ought to be able to say that...
but he can’t until/unless he knows JA and/or LJ are capable of running the point.
I'm not holding my breath
Frankly, I don’t have a lot of confidence in the sophomore class. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if ML tries to make the jump to the NBA. Somehow rumors have been persistent to this effect all season. What’s left of that class is less than inspiring. JA is frustrating and either completely lacks confidence or talent. Either problem is hard, if not impossible to solve. While I want to like Morgan, he doesn’t seem to have a killer instinct or drive. He is always laughing on the bench, joking in shoot-arounds, etc. He seems like a good kid, but from the outside he lacks the fire we need on the court. Just my 2 cents.
Bobo could be tougher but is ML getting a bad rap
You are right, Bobo needs to toughen up. He has the body but like you said he needs the drive. I would like to see Bobo get some fouls going for rebounds and be a bit angrier.
To my mind, ML deserves credit, he has played out of position for the year. He looks so much better when he acts like a 2, like he did in the OSU and OR game. But, we need him at 1 as shown by JA at the end.
I know the caged dog comment and the goofy NBA rumors but when it comes down to it he has been a good team player (our best defender throughout the season) who needs to muzzle his mouth. (If he leaves to the NBA then he is as stupid as he sounds sometimes.)
Hope you're right about ML
As long as he’s not a problem behind closed doors (not a part of the “character” issue), he brings a lot to the team on the court. Playing the 2, he could really help the team next year if he improves his outside shot and commits to slashing to the basket. I worry that the rumors are founded in some truth — be it unhappiness in the program or a true belief that he’s ready for the next level. I don’t see how that could translate well in terms of the team. Granted, rumors are just rumors & I hope they have no foundation in reality.
ML is another role player
He was recruited as a defender and a slasher. His basketball IQ is average. I doubt he’ll ever be a great shooter. He’s a puzzle piece as a 2, but the offense will never be run through him. It will be TH and RN, and hopefully one or two of the new guys.
Maybe but don't forget
Our high scorer this year in a game is ML. Not against a Delaware state either, but again Notre Dame. He is capable of exploding and could be more than a role player. He also has been our best M2M defender. If he gets to play 2 with an average point guard, I think he will be more.
TH is definitely the star in the making though.
While we can all see
that ML is definitely more effective at the 2, he wasn’t exactly forced into the role against his will. I seem to remember that he’s always claimed that he sees himself as a point guard and wants to be one as well.
At the team’s weekly news conference Tuesday, Lee was asked if he wanted to be UCLA’s point guard.
“Yeah, I want to be a point guard,” he said sternly.
This is the only quote I could find, but I seem to remember him saying similar things last off season.
At this point, after having played the 1, maybe he now understands that he is more naturally suited to playing the 2. I do commend him, however, for embracing the change in position that CBH asked of him. He is our best point guard at this time, no question.
by truebluebruin on Mar 3, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I take something different from that quote
I think he was saying he was doing it for the team because they need him at 1, Later in the same interview he said:
“Coach [Ben Howland] has me there, so I think that’s where they want me,” Lee added.
Though Lee has admitted he plays “too sped up” at times,
I agree
I wouldn’t expect him to say say anything different, since he is being asked to play PG. This quote is not the best example, just the only one I could find. I am confident, though, that he has stated that he believed himself to be a point guard in the past when he wasn’t playing the position. Apologies for not being able to find a better example to back up my assertion.
by truebluebruin on Mar 3, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that the article was a good sign...
…at least he is acknowledging the poor recruiting. He is on the right track (not considering game management, which also has to change, which everyone seems to agree about). I’m disappointed that this article didn’t come after the season was ‘officially’ over (it really is already, but still). In any event, I like how he is calling all of the players out. Believe me, they know who they are – -the ones that have gotten away with sloppy play, stupid mistakes outside of CBH’s scheme, etc. (think Drago-Bricklayer). It seems to make it clear that the instructions in practice he’s giving this team are the same he gave the previous successful teams, and they just aren’t bringing it. So let’s hope for a sea change in the players in terms of attitude and focus on the floor and some seriously good recruiting from here on out.
Given the love
ND has gotten, we know CBH isn’t referring to him. I don’t think it would be a stretch to think CBH is referring only to JH and DG as far as character goes, as we know he’s butted heads with them and they both left before he expected.
I think his comment about poorly evaluating the talent of recruits is more telling, and having said so in public is more damaging. It’s good that he realizes the mix he has isn’t working as a number of players aren’t D-1 ready, at least not right now. However, publicly stating that the current team just isn’t talented enough – while the season is ongoing – strikes me as throwing the team under the proverbial bus. Yes, everyone on the roster is smart enough to get into UCLA, so they can tell that the team is obviously not at the level of recent UCLA teams, but for a coach to come out and say ‘yeah, some of our players just aren’t very talented’ strikes me as just plain wrong, no matter how true it may be.
Wonder if he is referring to Chase as well...
for leaving after one season.
Free Brandon Wood!
And JA
Per Gold: http://insidesocal.com/ucla/2010/03/howland-on-11.html
On what Jerime Anderson can do to keep his starting point guard position next season: “He’s had a very up and down season. He started the season 1-for-11 against Cal State Fullerton. He’s had some good games. Number one he has to get in good physical shape to stay healthy. For him, it’s learning to play lower and really be committed to do everything to be the best he can be. Playing basketball every day, working on his handling, working on his free throw shooting. I think he could’ve done a better job in the offseason.”
Translation……you are a Slacker. Probably because the PG position was handed to him without any competition or it could be a sense of entitlement.
and yet he kept going with him in crunch time
Over Abdul-Hamid. How does that address dealing with the issue of a culture of entitlement?
unclear
but the emphasized comment here refers to what he did 9 months ago, not to what he has done subsequently (hampered by injuries that were attributable to his poor preparation). By this I mean – it is not inconsistent for CBH to think JA has been working hard enough when CBH has been able to hound him during the season, but also to emphasize that JA needs to be fully committed to self-improvement during the off-season.
Putting it in context
He calls our Anderson’s work ethic in the same week he called out the “character” of his recent recruits. Again if he is calling these guys out publicly, then why did he give Anderson mins over Abdul-Hamid? Anderson might have marginally better stats but Abdul-Hamid has held his own and unquestionably is the classic Bruin “student” athlete. I don’t see a lot of wiggle room here for Howland. If you do, we will have to disagree.
Not sure how to solve this multi-dimension problem...
I think it is unquestionable that MAH has better ‘character’ as a Bruin student-athlete than JA.
I think it is also true that JA has more ‘talent’ than MAH, though the disparity in their performances is not great, due to MAH maximizing his talent due to his character.
If he is trying to build a program, make a point to players about the character necessary to be a Bruin athlete, and motivate the players to be the best that they can be, I agree that MAH for JA in crunch time.
If he is trying to win an ‘important’ close game, trying to get to a symbolic .500 record and maximize the chances of getting a high Pac-10 tourney seed, it seems that JA for MAH may be the best win-right-now-at-all-costs move.
I think this is an example – along with many others over the course of the season – of CBH doing what he thinks gives him the best chance to win the game that he is playing at that moment. He has not had the luxury this season of having a deep, experienced roster with players of undoubted talent and significant prior playing time; it seems to me that he has not been willing to sacrifice a win here or there in the interests of the long-term health of the program (perhaps because he felt like we were a potential bubble team who would need every win we could get…), or sacrifice early results to build a team that could be more competitive later in the season.
In the past, he hasn’t had this dilemma so much. Fortuitously timed injuries/departures have often allowed him to develop the depth on his squad while at the same time putting the guys on the court that give him the best chance to win, so he has not had to make this tradeoff.
To your question of wiggle room – when he felt a guy had serious ‘character’ issues he suspended him from practice for a couple of days, and then he transferred. He may believe that other players have less character than he wants them to have, but that it is not so bad as to preclude them altogether from playing; and if there are particular incidents (e.g. being late for rehab) he has publicly disciplined players by benching them. In the quotes, he called out his own evaluation of both character and talent; I’m not sure that anything he says suggests that character is the most important or overriding factor in playing time – which is the position that would be contradicted from playing JA over MAH.
On a separate tack – coaches sometimes call their players out in public to send them a message, while keeping them on the court in an attempt to win games; thus trying to have their cake and eat it too. I definitely agree with what I would take to be your perspective on this – namely, that the message being sent is undermined by the lack of PT consequences backing it up.
Most important point
“the message being sent is undermined by the lack of PT consequences backing it up.”
This is the most frustrating part with all of the mea culpas. We hear lots of words but then the actions on the court are exactly the same as before.
Disagree in part
I don’t agree with this and come to the opposite conclusion:
If he is trying to win an ‘important’ close game, trying to get to a symbolic .500 record and maximize the chances of getting a high Pac-10 tourney seed, it seems that JA for MAH may be the best win-right-now-at-all-costs move.
I think MAH is as good as he is going to get and better than JA right now. JA had a chance when the games counted less (pre-PAC 10) and blew it. We may have beat OR if JA’s and MAH minutes were switched just by MAH playing defense and not turning the ball over. Playing JA is not playing to win now, but playing a guy who you hope can contribute in the future and who has more potential.
There are a number of ways to look at it but right now, MAH is a better player than JA. (You can also go “big” and play neither.)
+1
I haven’t looked up numbers recently, but as of early in the Pac-10 season, MAH’s numbers backed up the assertion that he was a stronger option than JA. And that was without even considering JA’s defensive liabilities.
by gradstudentbruin on Mar 3, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
the numbers don't support that case any more
JA has it marginally over MAH on points-per-shot,
and also on assists-to-turnover ratio, assists per minute of playing time, FT%, 3ptFG%, steals per minute, rebounds per minute.
MAH wins on FG% and that is it; and he is not a significantly better defender either. His hero moment vs UW was set up by his goat moment letting a guy run by him for a layup when he was in for defensive purposes.
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
You did not see OR
and remember the first AZ game? Fogg will never score 25 again as he did off JA. I agree MAH got torched on one play at UW but JA is still the worst defender on the team. Porter destroyed JA over and over and MAH stopped the bleeding. (We played man some in that game.)
JA/MAH spot is not going to give us a lot of points, it just should not hurt us so I would argue the slight difference in offensive numbers are not as important.
This sequence sums it up (Porter launched from JA side of the zone after timeout to set up the play):
01:12 TURNOVR by Anderson, Jerime
01:06 TIMEOUT 30sec
00:50 65-68 V 3 GOOD! 3 PTR by Porter, Tajuan
00:27TURNOVR by Anderson, Jerime
have to agree to disagree
I think JA has been playing slightly better of late (slightly healthier, perhaps), and MAH has fallen off a bit of late, and that CBH was playing for the now when keeping JA in the game.
If MAH had been in the game for JA, I don’t think that would have affected getting the ball to Porter against whoever was playing him, and I have no reason to believe that MAH is a better defender against 3 point shooting than JA at this point in the season.
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
We almost always agree, so I have to think if you saw the game you would agree with me. ;-)
he may also have seen
that RW and DC were both NBA prospects in their sophomore years, and assumed he would naturally become an NBA-level talent without having to work at it.
Need to get DC and RW down to talk to JA about how to get better in the offseason. Ditto AA for ML.
I was really holding out hope for JA
But now he is a headcase. His only salvation lies in a ridiculously committed, healthy offseason program. Time will tell.
This makes sense
You know when JA was benched for the CAL game it was more than missing one session at the trainer. Wasn’t he the guy who “likes the girls”? That is a bad sign because I want the stories to be like the one on TH becoming a gym rat not about a player being a “ladies man.”
+1 on pretty much all of this
I’d rather CBH didn’t say things like this in public, particularly with games left to play.
Re: who are the players being referrred to as not talented enough – this could include the likes of JH, who CBH kept putting in a position to succeed even when he wasn’t getting it done. It’s possible that CBH thought that by tourney time JH would be contributing at the level a one-and-done talent ought to be contributing.
Other than that, he seems to have decided that BL is talented and characterful enough going forward. It seems he doesn’t think the same applies to Bobo (not talented enough?) and MM (poor character / unwillingness to be coached by CBH?); and presumably JA is the poster child for disappointment, given CBH had told him “I want you to lead us to the national championship”… unless he was talking NIT.
I still don't think we'd be seeing BL
for more than a few seconds at a time if JK were available, though since the need is there it does seem he’s come into CBH’s favor.
OT – I read a lot, but I hadn’t encountered the word ‘characterful’ before. I like it!
lol
and also, I agree with you re what we would be seeing from BL on the court, but it seems he has been put ahead of Bobo and way ahead of MM in CBH’s own list, and in his play looks like he has taken some instruction from the coaching staff in practice.
Agreed.
Get him in the weight room in the offseason so he doesn’t get muscled off the glass and we are looking at possibly a better version of JK. I can see a lot of pick and pops coming for BL. After watching ND play matador defense all seson, its refreshing to see BL working his tail off.
by Waitingfornumber12 on Mar 3, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Of Two Minds on Howland stating the obvious
I reacted negatively to seeing him slam the talent of his team, even though he took responsibility for it. I don’t see how that helps them get better, even if it assuages some of his critics. On the other hand, it is such an obvious fact, slamming the team will not hurt it much. They know they stink.
CBH's judgment
I’m not holding CBH’s judgment of character/talent in too high esteem after playing Dragovic all the year the way he has
I like the due deference to Coach in every CBH interview
but I am starting to find comments like this
“I have a strong belief in God,” Howland says. “There’s a reason why this is happening. There’s something good to come out of this. I know it.”
to be potentially concerning. To clarify – there is nothing concerning at all about CBH being a man of strong faith, and I am sure the readers of BN span a spectrum of faith from strong to none. What concerns me is that this is becoming part of his public narrative in times of trouble (I don’t remember so many of these comments coming in times of plenty). It also worries me if his obvious stubborness is accompanied by a fatalistic tendency that everything will work out and that everything has a purpose.
I may be taking too much from a few isolated quotes, but I think a coach needs to put primary faith in his ability to alter his team’s fortunes by adapting to the circumstances, before invoking the idea that it is all part of God’s plan, and before praying for the team to succeed.
He has done it before ...
… and I had the same reaction as you. But I just wanted to keep the focus on personnel/program management issues because I think that’s really the topic of main concern.
sure
and I may have been unduly influenced by the emphasis Slimers gave it by finishing with that quote.
True
But the “reason why this is happening” is simply bad decision-making at many levels, whether or not you add the theological context. If religion allows him see that, then so be it.
I take from his words
that he believes “there’s a reason why this is happening” beyond simply bad-decision making; it appears to me that religion allows him to believe that these setbacks have a larger positive purpose in some grander scheme. But I don’t mean to take him too much out of context.
Or,
the reason that it is happening is because it is exposing his own inner flaws.
Like you, I am a bit uncomfortable with his use of faith in a discussion of basketball. I know many people of strong faith who show it with their deeds rather than words.
sjh
right
if his quote had included a line like “and I will be a better coach and a stronger character going forward”, I would at least feel that he had a sense of what there is that could be the ‘good that comes out of this’.
For what it’s worth – this season could make CBH into a better coach moving forward, showing him the value of having some flexibility in approach to opponents, the value of developing players voluntarily (rather than by happenstance through injury fill-ins), and potentially also the folly in trying so hard not to lose early season games that you do not set yourself up to be a good team in the late season when it matters. It could be that the experiences of this season elevate him to a coach who can lead us to a national championship through a perfectly planned season.
However, as has been pointed out, he does not seem to have done a good job of learning from his experiences as the season has gone on, so my hope that he improves as a coach is more a matter of faith than of empirical evidence.
C'mon 66, you must have been around for this quote
“Material possessions, winning scores, and great reputations are meaningless in the eyes of the Lord, because He knows what we really are and that is all that matters.” – Coach Wooden
Hell, we could probably thank CBH’s faith for our comeback win against Gonzaga…
"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA
by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 3, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
That's the opposite of what Howland's saying
Coach was saying that in the long run basketball and the rest are trivial, and what we really are is all that matters. Howland seems to be saying that basketball is the focus, and the losing season reflects some kind of purpose on the part of God.
The Difference Is Context
Coach said it in a book explaining his philosophy and teachings.
CBH said it to a slimes writer in an attempt to explain a “bad” season.
sjh
References to faith
I find them to be ludicrous and overabundant sports—especially in the “We won because God was on our side” type of comments after wins—but I do believe that they help with recruiting athletes.
I Agree
The fact that he is a stand up guy with strong faith and principles should be an important factor to every parent in deciding where their kid should go.
I am with you — to me, faith is very important and too important to see as a determining factor in a ball game.
However, I still see CBH’s quote as much broader than that: I really see him saying that his past successes may have taken him off path a bit and that there is a spiritual lesson to be learned, about himself, from his present struggles.
sjh
At this point, I'd rather
He just sell his soul to the Devil, and get us some more WINS!
Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87
I actually saw it as a sign
that he is feeling tremendous pressure and is looking for a little peace.
I have no problems with CBH's character statement
Anyone who’s watched the program this year has to be thinking the same thing. We’ve all questioned the tenacity and character of our sophomores. He isn’t saying anything we don’t already know, just acknowledging that he and his staff are to blame. It’s not like he’s naming names — that would be a much different scenario.
With all of our belly-aching about Drag., these comments could go a long way to explaining his persistent presence in the line up. Perhaps the character issues we see, or infer, with him pale in comparison to some of the younger kids (although I can’t imagine Lane as part of that group). I Shudder, because that would mean the character issues are severe. Maybe the talent and character questions troubled Howland so much he decided to stick with the familiar (Drag., Keefe & Roll), even if it wasn’t best. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that our seniors, in addition to being the last connection to those glory years, represent great character. Roll, Keefe and MAH in particular wear those jerseys with pride.
At least he’s publicly acknowledged the issues we’ve seen. Hopefully that will force him back to the blue-collar players that fit his scheme. We’ve all seen his lack of flexibility (his hesitance to go zone and his personnel decisions have been maddening at times). That can change to a degree, but I don’t see Howland making wholesale changes to his philosophy. In order for him and UCLA to succeed, he has to make certain he recruits the right players — not just the best players. His structured program requires the same philosophy that was taken in assembling the current & 1980 U.S. hockey teams (sorry, winter olympics overload). Instead of the best players, he needs great players that compliment each other and will play the way he tells them to. Our #1 recruiting class did not fit that bill. At least it seems that CBH knows what to change in the recruiting game. I just wish Keating & Co. were still around to help.
It must be nice for Lane, Bobo, and Moser
to know that they have such severe “character” issues which have been in their way of getting credible minutes unlike the perfect “student” “athlete” that is Nikola Dragovic.
And this is not the first time Howland has been reflective about his “mistakes.” He has done it multiple times, only to go back and doing the same thing.
I understand what you're saying
Of course it has to be frustrating for our freshmen. I am not exonerating CBH and I know that he has acknowledged mistakes in the past only to continue making them in the future (timeout management, zone, hustle=playing time, etc.). One thing I was trying to say is that perhaps his character comments help explain some of those quizzical decisions this year. Maybe he felt so snake bitten by the sophomore class that he stuck with his seniors at the expense of the freshmen. This is why I said I shudder, because it COULD mean that Drag. was the lesser of evils. It certainly isn’t right, but maybe he threw up his hands and went with what he knows — even if it included using Drag. I’m just looking to make sense out of the season and these recent comments.
I’m not a Drag. fan and not a blind CBH devotee, though I still think he’s our guy. As fans, we have to acknowledge his strengths and his weaknesses. Frustrating as it is, CBH does not appear to be flexible and I don’t think that’s something he can drastically change. It’s who he is. These character comments bring me some hope that he will re-dedicate himself to finding the right fits to mask this weakness and minimize the need for massive adaptation. Ideally, you wouldn’t have to mask such weaknesses — especially the ability to adapt against your instincts or initial plans. Unfortunately we all have to compensate or overcome such issues. Here’s hoping that this year and these character comments make CBH identify areas of improvement and fix them. Something good has to come out of this season.
Therein lies the rub
CBH has been inconsistent about judging “character” when ND gets the PT, and Bobo who works his butt off rides the pine. His excuses don’t sit well with me because he’s making it sound like there are certain things that are out of his control (i.e. character and talent). To me, that’s a cop out. Part of a coach’s job is to build character, especially in the college ranks, and to maximize potential. I don’t think there was a question of the talent potential in our recruiting classes from 2006 on. I’m sure other D1 programs would have killed to get the players we were getting. Yet, for one reason or another, those players weren’t developed or taught well. Part of that may be due to individual character, but I place a huge responsibility for that on the coaching staff. CBH can’t expect to only recruit choir boys who automatically buy into his program and know the meaning of wearing the jersey. Like his counterpart CRN, he has to inspire players to believe in him, his program, and UCLA. That ability to inspire was no where to be found this year.
Another issue I have with his mea culpas is that they don’t offer ideas for improvement or change. He’s not saying things like he’ll work hard with his staff to better prepare his players from game to game, or that given the players he has, he’ll try something different. I appreciate that he has sleepless nights wondering how we got here, but I wish he would also spend those sleepless nights wondering how to get us the hell out of here.
interesting point
I think it is interesting that you say
Another issue I have with his mea culpas is that they don’t offer ideas for improvement or change
I think that is very insightful. His mea culpas are either
1) ad hominem (e.g. “in retrospect, I should have given BL more minutes”) with no wider lesson learned (e.g. he could have said “I should get young guys more minutes earlier in the season”), or
2) ad hoc (e.g. “in retrospect, I should have gone to the zone earlier”) with the wider lesson repudiated (e.g. he said something like "no, we won’t consider using zone once we have players who can play man-to-man)
He also says, ‘in retrospect’ a lot, suggesting that it is possible to see it after the fact, but that it could not have been seen in the moment.
I am a strong CBH guy, but this point you raise definitely makes me uncomfortable.
His mea culpas were refreshing in 2006
By now, they are as meaningless as “supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.”
He sometimes offers ideas for improvement, such as his words to the effect of “I need to play the bench more” after the loss to ASU at Pauley in 2009. But he doesn’t actually follow through on those ideas.
I am starting to believe that he needs assistance with his in-game coaching.
Seems to me, Coach is sending a message To His Current Players
Either grow up and man up or get out. One negative dispositioned player can demoralize seven positive minded men of excellent character. The odds are if CBH had more than one as he indicated it is easy for me to understand his problem with this group of players. I empathize with coach as I have built several small businesses and it is no different than coaching a team. At one point I fired half my employees to get the kind of character we needed in the group to expode our sales and reach our goals. If this be the case for coach I sincerely hope he will resort to as drastic steps as are necessary. There may be a bigger problem and that is the lack of character of young people in general today and in our society at large, but, you can’t tell me coach can’t find 7-10 of the right players to correct the course. CBH is too good a coach and too experienced not to see the light. More power to coach and Go Bruins!
'CaptainJack65'
Jack Metcalf
by captainjack65 on Mar 3, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
The point made repeatedly here
is that if he sees the problem, he hasn’t been doling out the medicine, i.e., pulling players out of the game who are not working hard, or making mindless turnovers.
I can definitely believe
that there was a rift last year between the frosh (led by DG) and the seniors (DC, PAA, JS), that ND, MR, JK and MAH placed themselves in the senior camp, and that CBH associates the upperclassmen with the high character teams of the past.
I’d add that of the current frosh, TH was the most outspoken critic of DG’s behavior after he left (and he doesn’t often seem outspoken about much…), while RN, prior to DG’s departure, may have been closer to him.
Dragovic
Hasn’t proven himself to be a “high character” guy. There are questions about that which hasn’t been resolved. He is also the exact opposite of what Howland’s basketball program has stood for on the court. So if Howland is pointing at some members of his sophomore class in favor of a clown like Rago, it makes the questions around him even more troubling.
right
not saying he is a high character guy – just speculating that he may have been on the side of DC/PAA/JS and presumably CBH last year against a group of entitled frosh. Note that I am not citing this as a defense of CBH’s actions, but as (I think) a plausible (if speculative) explanation of why he would give preferential treatment to any member of one group (MR, ND, JK, MAH) over another group (ML, JA, JMM).
TH came out against DG (and by extension, in favor of CBH) after DG’s departure, and has found his way into a key position, at the PT expense of JA.
I think CBH felt he could trust his older guys, couldn’t trust his sophs much, and didn’t know what to make of the frosh (some of whom may have been close to DG et al). In retrospect, after BL has worked hard all season and proved coachable, I think CBH regrets not having trusted BL earlier, but I think he went into bunker mentality following the DG trauma at the start of the season. I haven’t seen any such comments re: MM; I forget whether or not he has said he should have given JMM more minutes? I thought it was pretty telling that JK went from backing up ND to backing up RN at the 5, ahead of a more obvious center candidate.
Hmm
Those are interesting points bb. I will definitely have to think about that for a bit. That said he also damaged himself with Dragovic mins. If he wanted to send a “message” to sophomores he should have used the time early in the season to get both Lane and Moser ready. The 33+ mins for Rag is a stain that can’t be washed away quickly.
BL is without a doubt among our top 8 players now
I am not sure if he was before JK and RN go down. I don’t think he used BL wrong or did not trust him at the beginning of the PAC 10 (he had a chance in the preseason) but he should be using him a lot now and Bobo a bit.
If Lane wasn't our top-8
Then Rag dropped out of top-9 (behind Lane) few weeks ago. Rag proved to be un-coachable (on top of that) weeks ago. Moreover, Lane emerged as our “top-8” after he got playing time which he wasn’t getting prior to injuries. Lane/Rag debate … that is OVER … Howland screwed it up. Let’s not rehash that again. Thanks.
Not rehashing but Q. Is BL a 3?
I think of him more as a 4 and now 5 based on need. To me he has not shown to be a good outside shooter, 21% from 3 (I understand only 13 attempts but he has almost as many airballs as makes). He is hustle guy who works hard (two good ways to get rebounds) who needs to gain some bulk,
I have a caveat on the top 8 comment, I don’t think JA was at the start of the season but I really don’t want to start that debate and will follow BB advice on looking forward
He is a natural 4
And if he was given meaningful time to start the season, he should have replaced Rag as the starter and then used either as 4 or 5, depending on where Honeycutt would take position (which would be primarily 3 but also at 4).
looking forward vs looking back
I think CBH has got to the end of the season, seen how much progress BL has made in practice with limited playing time, and would give him more time early in the season if he had a do-over. He has also seen how ND did not return to last year’s Pac-10 form once his legal issues were partially resolved (though he stepped things up a bit).
He put faith in his only returning starter to get back to a level that he had been at the previous year, at the expense of giving minutes to a frosh whose development path was unknown. I don’t think anything CBH says acknowledges that he was wrong to do what he did when he was looking forward, but that as things have turned out, taking a chance on BL would have been good, and his faith in ND getting back to form was misplaced.
Crossroads
CBH is either going to fix things or we could be posting in the future about where it all went wrong. What a mess……
Passion Bucket on Empty
It really is a shame that Bruin Nation’s energy in March is directed on resurrecting the program when we are usually arguing about potential tourney seeding this time of year. There are a number of serious problems with CBH and this team, but it is clear that, if CBH wants to give us the shot-in-the-arm we need it will require some guys that have court leadership and passion. The silver lining is that TH and RN may be those guys . . . I hope.
I like Nelson
But I want to see an honest competition between Nelson and Lane at the 4 next season. I don’t want Nelson to become the latest reiteration of Howland’s “favorites” who is getting PT despiting not giving it all on his defense. I don’t doubt his energy on offense and around the rim but he has a long way to go in terms of total focus and effort.
I am excited about him but I hope Lane gets a fair shake at the 4. I think Lane has lot more upside in emerging as a very good player by his junior season.
I think CBH is getting to like Lane too
and is also sufficiently aware of RN’s deficiencies to have started JK ahead of RN later in the season. May come down to what we are getting from our center position as to whether we want a 4 who can stretch the court with his shooting or a 4 who can bring additional muscle inside.
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
True...
We haven’t seen it, but RN has a pretty nice little face up game out to 15 feet and can go left or right off the dribble. He’s been nice as our defacto low post option, but he has more in the tool bag. Lane was primarily a spot up player in HS and doesn’t have a refined back to the basket game. We all pencil in Smith as the C next year, but he will not be able to play the style of defense CBH wants (hedging atop the key, weakside help, etc).
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Couldn't Agree More
RN’s development may have been hampered because his play was needed to have any chance to win. RN is still a raw product, and without competition he may not improve his game. He needs to see the court and pass out of double teams. He needs to fight for playing time based on learning the defense and playing defense with intensity. The position was handed to him, and he just played his own way, which is good, but needs to be molded into the team concept. BL played very well against Oregon, and may improve. He also may top out at the JK level. Time will tell.
I hope so...
But the guard play is what has to dramatically improve if the team is not going to repeat their performance next year. Offensively Smith gives the team a true low post scorer and he is a willing passer, BL, RN and TH are going to be fine at forward. But, unless Zeke Jones takes over the point and can lead this team, it could be another tough year – the conference is going to be better next season.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Smith will not be much of a reliable factor
If he doesn’t shed 40-50 lbs this off-season (discussed in much detail last week).
Agree
He’s a different type of player in that he’s very mobile even with the weight he gained due to his knee injury. The weight affected his leaping ability. One thing he’ll give the Bruins next year that they lack this year is a big that can play physically on the boards. RN is scrappy, tough and has a ton of intangibles, but his lack of height and lack of that quick second hop limits him against athletic bigs. Smith is a game changer strictly due to his size and he plays big. I think CBH has seen the merits of playing zone and won’t be afraid to mix it in next season. Changing defenses isn’t a bad thing.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
CBH has said explicitly
that we will go back to man next year and not consider using the zone…
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I thought CBH...
said he will go back to man next season IF he has the right guys to do it.
by Waitingfornumber12 on Mar 3, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
thought it was more
‘as soon as’ we have the right guys
http://www.bruinsnation.com/2010/2/14/1310229/2010/2/14/1310229/hoops-game-day-roundup-howlands
as far as I can see, he means that this year is an aberration due to having the wrong guys, and next year with his incoming recruits he is going back to man. I will be highly surprised if he doesn’t start off playing exclusively man defense next year. But I stand corrected about what he actually said.
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
He and Coach Wooden are all for man to man.
This year it was put in due to emergency. He won’t play zone unless he must.
It is Coach Howland's move
With all the messages we gave to Coach Howland, the ONLY way he can prove to us is that he will not start ND the last two games, period. I would let him come in only if the other guys are doing bad. That way we might be able to restore our confidence for the younger players. I still have hope for ML and JA. They couldn’t have been rated so high if they were bad in high school. They are definitely not NBA materials now.
Character vs Talent
Frankly not many of us are friends or family of the young men that play for our university, so we truly have no clue how these guys roll. We are left to interpret their actions from body language, social networking media, coaching sound bites, hearsay from fellow students, snipets from blogs and reputable new outlets. That being said this comes down the eye test – how the players perform on the court, the only viable thing we can judge them by. The talent level on this year’s team is the lowest its been since the Larry Farmer Era.
I don’t know about the character of our guys. I really don’t care. I just want them to play hard, don’t break laws, don’t embarrass the university and, above all, win – win big.
This year’s team has no draftable players. We aren’t having these discussions or attempting to go CSI on every CBH press conference if the team is 20-9 and headed to the Big Dance. Every coach needs talent, we are guilty of, perhaps, underestimating the talent level of our players during the Final Four runs and overestimating the coaching ability of CBH? That will play out eventually, but until we get players the caliber of the Wall’s, Cousin’s, etc we aren’t going to in legitimate national conversation for a while.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
I actually tune Howland out now
His words rarely match his actions, so why listen to his words?
How can he blame the team for having low character when he plays a twice arrested (name one other UCLA scholarship athlete who has been arrested twice while at UCLA. I can’t think of one), low effort, poor defensive player Dragovic 30+ minutes a game. Howland has shown character doesn’t matter to him, nor does effort. His team is simply following his lead.
Howland’s talk of lessons learned after losses are always and things to do differently are always followed the next week with nothing done differently. His players are just following his and not growing, changing, or developing. They are just mouthing the words like he is.
Also, I wouldn’t let the not sleeping thing mean anything. Howland said he never slept when we were winning Pac 10 titles. Guy’s MO is to be joyless and glum. That’s what he is most comfortable with apparently.
Howland needs to examine his own character and figure out if the character problems he is seeing in the team are just reflections of the character problems of the coach.
sorry, meant to hit preview not post
but I think it makes sense anyway….
by silverlakebruin on Mar 3, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
The sleepless thing is because he works his ass off
Not because he’s “joyless,” which he isn’t, as you’d quickly surmise if you knew him. Personally, I like coaches who work their asses off and prefer work to golf and who, unlike their predecessors, don’t show up to the office after 2 pm. If there’s one player I can think of who shared those “character problems” it’s AA, and I certainly wouldn’t mind more of those bad apples.
by bluebland on Mar 3, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There is a middle ground
between not sleeping at night and showing up to work at 2pm. It’s about having some perspective. Something which helps people not feel the need to do the same things over and over again
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by silverlakebruin on Mar 3, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
trying to find the silver lining...
in an awful season; maybe we will actually be a better team offensively against the zone defense in future seasons given the unfortunate circumstances that forced us to turn to the zone this season. At least we finally had a chance to run our offense against a zone in practice.
I think there is some truth to that
it has always been a glaring problem with our offense, that we look clueless vs the zone – hopefully CBH can learn something.
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
The keys of the last two games
This season is over. It doesn’t matter whether we win or lose; however, we like to see how Coach Howland handle the morale situation. He need to build confidence among the coaches and players and players themselves. We want to build a strong positive image for the new recruits. Let us watch how many minutes ND will play. No productions means bench time.
I believe Coach's pet is not practicing because of injury
so there is a strong likelihood he won’t be available for Thursday.
by silverlakebruin on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Just to make sure
Tonight I’m giving him the two-week-old Panda Express leftover that I’ve been saving for him.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I see the next two games going one of two ways
Scenario #1: We go down to Arizona and compete well, and maybe eek out a win, with the youngsters pouring their hearts out on the court. Allowing them to go into the off-season with some sense of pride and expectation for improvement in the coming year.
OR
Scenario #2: We go down to Arizona with the same-ol-same-ol plan, allowing a useless senior (with Serbian terrorist ties and accepting Mob payments to handle his legal issues in exchange for game fixing “allegedly”) to lead us to two 30 point losses, and complete humiliation. Leading to the entire Bruin nation to go into the off-season with considerable doubt for the future, costing the team recruits, transfers, etc.
It is up to you CBH to pick carefully, I know it may be hard to decide between the two scenarios. Choose wisely, your future may depend upon it.
Louisville, KY for UCLA class of '87
Ha...
Too funny my man. I think the Bruins match up horribly with Zona (especially without RN?), probably have a better shot against ASU.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Exactly right
Arizona is a terrible matchup for us. A loss in the single digits would be an accomplishment.
by silverlakebruin on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
It is going to be extremely ugly
and another record loss. No doubt at all.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Yep
Highly likely that N’s bullets of embarrassing moments of 2009-10 are not yet finished.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
BTW I have officially averted my eyes
from this mess. I just can’t take it anymore. I applaud everyone here who comes in day after day and game after game to analyze this pathetic team. You guys and gals are all true Bruins.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Recruiting 2011
According to Scout, there is only one 5-star player that comes from the state of California, and only five 4-star players (uncommitted). All but two of these are either centers or power forwards.
Translation: If Howland is going to turn this around via recruiting (especially improving our backcourt), he has got his work cut out for him.
"I don't forget very much" Rick Neuheisel, 11/28/09
Recruiting...
Not wishing to revisit Lavin’s tenure, but it seemed Lavs had a national recruiting angle. Under Howland it seems the Bruins are more of regional recruiting program that competes nationally. The other national level “elite” programs go after guys anywhere. When was the last guy the program got out of Texas or the South?
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Uhh...
Kevin Love was from Oregon. So is Josh Smith. Bobo is from Texas. We had two guys from friggin’ Cameroon. One bricklayer from Serbia…pretty sure that we span the nation and the globe to recruit for UCLA…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I was talking about McDonald type guys..
Smith and Love are from the West. I didn’t clarify my point perhaps.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
That is my point...
A lot of it must come down to style of play. I love CBH, it’s complicated, he is who he is and he has a formula that works. I just wish he’d incorporate an offensive identity as aggressive as his defensive mindset.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Moreover
The major recruits we have gone after this season – McCallum, Zeigler, Jones – are all national recruits. We are now going after CJ Giles, Kadeem Jack and a pg from Georgia.
The problem has not been going after national recruits. The problem last two-three years has been having through scouting of our local recruiting scene, which enabled talents like Derrick Williams to slip to Arizona or completely overlooking pgs such as Reggie Moore from Washington State.
I'm just frustrated...
When I was enrolled Harrick’s staff was great – Romar, Gottfried, Tony Fuller, Brad Holland, the Bruins were landing whoever they really wanted. I know Ed O’Bannon and Tarver originally wanted to go to UNLV, but the fact is they landed those dudes. It seems now, perhaps due to USC’s Galen Center, Oregon’s new arena, some other program’s elevating their profile, etc that we are finishing 2nd a lot more than having a true pick of the top guys. Revisionist history perhaps, that was a different era too, hard to compare it now – a guy makes two jump shots in a row and he’s ready to declare for the league.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
I thought Smith is from Washington?
your point is still valid…
by silverlakebruin on Mar 3, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Lav's didn't have any "angle"
He recruited well in his first two-three years based on his Elite Eight run and then it all fell apart. He was completely clueless and negligent. He was also lazy SOB who never had any command and control of who we were targeting. Lavs had no “angle.” He coasted on the foundation Harrick left behind for two-three years and then it all fell apart.
I don’t understand why this scumbag’s picture is still mounted in the UCLA HOF alongside other basketball coaches.
So people can use his hair
as a mirror…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Character
Perhaps the type of character that Howland would like to be exhibited by his players is the kind that is shown in practices, since he puts so much emphasis on them. Maybe it has to do with paying attention in practice, in the video sessions, in doing the work that is required during the season and the self-imposed work during the off-season. I don’t know how Rag does in practice, but that could be it.
I really don’t want to analyze every word that comes out of CBH’s mouth. It’s a frustrating season, one set up admittedly by his own mistakes, and I just want it to be over and see what happens next year. Even the next few games will show me nothing, no matter who plays. Start Soo for all I care. It just doesn’t matter, whether the young guys play anymore or not. 3 games left, let the nightmare end soon.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
That's it
I am sure Rag is busting his rear end in every practice. I am sure he is playing hard nosed D on every practice possession, boxing out, setting screens for his team-mates, Ding up, staying in position, getting back on defense every day in practice. Somehow he just magically turns into DRagO on game day. :-)
that explains why
he doesn’t have any energy for defense, hustling etc on game day – he practices too hard.
by britishbruin on Mar 3, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Shades of Willingham:
“From Sunday through Friday our football program has exceeded all expectations, in every way,” he said. “But on Saturday, we struggled. We’ve been up and down and sideways a little bit.”
Not what I mean, N
I don’t say anything about effort.
I’m talking about doing the drills at practice without whining.
I’m talking about practicing plays without complaining that the style is too slow.
I’m talking about watching the video sessions without slouching in your chair.
I don’t know that Rag doesn’t do those things, but I could see some of the sophomores doing it.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Rags PT
Took time specifically away from freshmen like Lane and Moser. Not freshmen. But I see your point.
I've honestly stopped trying to figure it out
Only CBH knows and he ain’t telling us, at least for now. There are too many inconsistencies to try to make sense of it.
The Panda Express is stinking up the joint right now. Come’n get it Brikola!
ps: I keep bringing it up because my roommate got food poisoning from Panda Express during finals week and his bitch of a chemistry professor wouldn’t let him postpone even though he had an A going in…she told him to take Immodium AD.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
No
It was a rather, um, weight-challenged lady named Chadwick…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Yeah, I remember her
Preparing for a mid-term or final for those South Campus classes was more depressing than talking about Rag.
Ever so helpful
On the other hand, remember our Bio 5 professor? She let me postpone my final…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Kathy Griffith?
She was the one who played “welcome to the jungle” in that first class. Still remember all those pre-med dweebs flinging their backpacks to get in the first 5 rows of Moore Hall!
Yup
I didn’t fling my backpack but I did show up a half hour early…that class was really intimidating. And stupid in many ways.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
And I was there with you lot ...
… then again we also enjoyed the “scenery” right outside Kerkoff coffee shop during beautiful fall quarter.
Yeeeeahhh....
wish I had spent more time there than at some of my lectures…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Very nearly did
almost switched to French + premed, instead of Bio + premed. But really couldn’t justify the French major (I’m fluent…)
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Malcolm Lee
He is a 2-not a 1 and should never be forced into that role.Let him go into his summer workouts knowing that he is a 2 and will only be used at that position which is his only possible way to the next level. As far as Coach Howlands words are concerned, I take them with many grains of salt. Coaches over time tend to resemble used car salesman trying to unload a Yugo as a fine imported performance vehicle. I am not sure it is problems with recruiting but with the coaching they are getting from the assistants and the fact that some are definetly playing out of positions that would be more suitable to their skills it provides a clue to some of our problems. With replacements to his staff and proper utilization of all defensive schemes he can best utilize his players unless he is harboring another Drago.
CBH's role is not
to get ML to the next level; his role is to help ML as much as possible while putting the team in position to win as much as possible. As I said earlier in this thread, I truly hope ML can play the 2 all year, as his slashing can be a huge help to the team. However, we need a point guard. If JA still isn’t up to the task, and if LJ isn’t up to the task, then ML may be our best option at the point. CBH can’t promise him right now that he’ll only be a 2 no matter what.
agree with one caveat
which is that helping a player to get to the next level – or pointedly NOT helping him to get to the next level – could have recruiting implications.

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