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Dreading Arizona: Signs Pointing Towards A "Standard" Beatdown

DCBruins gave a valiant effort to strike a sliver of positive note heading into tonight's game. We all need a shot of enthusiasm. However, that said DCBruins pointed out all the questions we don't have really good answers for.  As a result it is hard to muster up a sense of excitement for our game against Arizona Wildcats in Tucson tonight.  The Bruins will have Reeves Nelson and Nikola Dragovic back for tonight's game. I guess the good news is that we will get Nelson back, but the bad news is the team will most likely keep getting screwed with 30+ mins from Rag rest of the season.

It also doesn't help the fact that Nelson and Rag has no chemistry in the frontcourt, especially when it comes to defense. Our backcourt is still in shambles which is not going to get fixed rest of this season. Except for Tyler Honeycutt there is not one player in our team, who would give us a possible matchup against any of the Wildcats.

Moreover, morale will also be an issue with this team. I am not talking about the fanbase. Looks like Howland not only suspended Bobo Morgan for Thursday but also hinted at something more during his Tuesday press conference. From the LA Times (emphasis added throughout):

No excuses are made for Morgan, who has lost 30 pounds since arriving at UCLA overweight at 270.

Asked why he was out of shape, Morgan said, "We were mostly a zone team in high school and they'd wait for me. I'd take my time and the team would slow it down and wait for me and we'd go from there." He also said he had corrective knee surgery when he was in eighth grade.

Said Howland: "We knew there were some issues, but we didn't know the extent."

Yeah, I am sure calling out the sophomore center and other recruits (for lacking "character") is going to really fire up the team. Morgan is apparently not even making the trip down to Tucson with rest of the team and will fly in separately (wonder if he will get on the plane) to join them for the Arizona State game.

So I am guessing we will be seeing a lineup that will have Rags and Nelson in the lineup. I am sure Lane will get 15-20 minutes, get pulled as soon as he makes his first big mistakes, and then Howland will primarily go with Rags (and Jerime Anderson) in crunch time. It is going to be lot of fun staying up past 1 am to watch this game.

Star-divide

Speaking of fun, that is what Arizona is getting ready for this week. Sean Miller's young team has been predictably up and down with lots of freshmen getting huge mins (must be nice).  They have set themselves up for a run though by getting a huge win in Stanford (thanks to freshmen) and two home games against UCLA and floundering Southern Cal to close out the regular season. From DailyWildcat.com:

The Wildcats, now 8-8 in Pac-10 play and 14-14 overall, are coming off a momentum-changing victory over the Stanford Cardinal. Miller said his team hasn't taken a large step forward since the Jan. 28 and Jan. 31 home wins against California and the Cardinal.

Now in a three-way tie for fourth place with both USC and UCLA, Arizona has the opportunity to roll into the Pac-10 Tournament with a three-game winning streak and a No. 3 seed.

"We look forward to playing all out, leaving it all on the court for the last two games," said senior Nic Wise. "Winning three in a row before the tourney can boost your confidence."

Wise, who has struggled down the stretch, will play his final two games in McKale Center this weekend. Against Stanford, the Wildcats were saved by freshmen Momo Jones and Derrick Williams while the elder Wise sat on the bench during crunch time.

The point guard finished with seven points and one assist, far away from his 14.4 point, 3.3 assist per game averages.  

Sean Miller had some interesting comments about how he handled Wise's minutes in the Bay Area:

"When he doesn't play well, it's hard on this team," Miller said, adding that he expects to play Wise a good 34 minutes per game.

"I can't help but think we've worn him out a little bit," he added. "He's handled himself remarkably."

It is interesting that Arizona's head coach had no qualms about resting and even benching its senior point guard to go with freshmen energy off the bench. The contrast with what has been happening in Westwood is remarkable and it's this kind of aggressive mindset in terms of freshmen development, that has Arizona primed to regain its stature as the "Standard" of the Pac-10.

As for game strategy, the Bruins don't have much of a shot. Top to bottom except for Tyler Honeycutt, Arizona is a more athletic team. The Wildcat backcourt combination of Wise and Kyle Fogg will probably destroy Malcolm Lee, Jerime Anderson and Michael Roll. Last time around Lee did a good job in containing Wise holding him to 8 points, but Fogg killed us by torching us with his 25. It will be a matter of picking our poison and we don't have any good options.

Perhaps it will be a little different this time around because unlike last time when Howland stubbornly played man-to-man we are going to play zone. Yet, I don't see that strategy bringing any kind of relief because Arizona will most likely have us thoroughly scouted and figure out how to shred it by relentlessly going after Rag. Reeve's return will help as he will bring energy down low. However, as we have noticed in recent weeks, he also tends to get lost in defense a lot, and often becomes  a black hole on the offensive end and  a liability from the FT line. We can certainly cross our fingers thinking that the team will rise to the occasion and play with focus and effort for 40 minutes, but I am not going to hold my breath.

Another bright spot for the Bruins is emergence of Tyler Honeycutt. Honeycutt talked about his unselfish play with Jon Gold:

He is a passer at heart, wants to find the open man and is unselfish to a fault.

He sees four points on four attempts against Oregon - after 18 points and 10 attempts two days before against Oregon State - and he knows neither is enough.

"I think I should've scored more than four points against Oregon, but I still helped get us back into the game, passing, rebounding," Honeycutt said on Tuesday after his 13-rebound, nine-assist performance Saturday. "Sometimes I kinda question myself why I didn't take more shots. I was playing on the inside a lot, and they were kinda switching zones, so there weren't as many high-post touches. When I was playing the perimeter, I made some passes. I probably should've scored more."

He stops short of lamenting his nine assists, though.

"I definitely look at that as a good thing," the Sylmar High product said. "If they're assists, someone's scoring off them. I only had one turnover, which is pretty good, after averaging two, three, four over the last couple games. It was good to have that many more assists than turnovers."

If the Bruins were to have any kind of shot today, we will need a big game from Honeycutt. It would also help if Howland made an effort to keep Honeycutt fresh, by using Mike Moser for 4-7 mins a game, using his athleticism and physical frame as an asset in our zone defense. Yet we can't really count on it as Moser will be sitting on the bench and wondering what would have happened if he was playing with Derrick Williams and Momo Jones on the other end of the court.

As far I know, the Bruins never won a game in Tucson (my memory goes back to in 1986) in a year they didn't win the Pac-10 title. It is going to be more of the same tonight. At this point pathetic moral victories are not going to be any kind of silver lining, given how Howland has thoroughly quashed the morale of his program by sticking to his stubborn ways. We are now left with near certain dreadful scenario of walking through the motions in another standard beat down tonight. I hope I am wrong and it's that sliver of hope that will cause many of us to remain awake well past 1 am tonight.

GO BRUINS.

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I am just flat out sad

this “new” Ben Howland who communicates with his team via press conference is heartbreaking to me.

If he has an issue with these guys, say it to them, not the press. Im sure he wouldn’t accept these guys mouthing off to the press about the job he is doing this year.

We talked about Ben’s problems communicating with the team earlier. Seems that communcation problem doesn’t extend to complaining about them to the press.

Ben needs to take a serious look in the mirror.

by silverlakebruin on Mar 4, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

The question everone should be wondering

Why should Bobo even try when he comes back with the team on Sat. Could one blame the kid at this point for looking lethargic and not having his heart in it?

Why not just tell the kid to transfer so he can focus on finishing up school and be done with it. Why embarrass him like this in public?

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish he would transfer

I met him a couple of times in social situations and his focus was definitely not basketball.

Go ahead and chew me out Nestor, but I can think of a couple scenarios for which he might have been suspended.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah

I heard those stories too. The thing is I also heard the same stories about certain Howland pet as well.

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

ahahahaha

i can just see Drago in the “new haircut” guido youtube video. Or as a cast member of jersey shore, even though he’s slavic.

Seriously though, not only does Bobo get completely punked whenever he tries to post up or box out, but he runs the court with t-rex arms!! …if you can visualize that

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I have never been high on Bobo

However, I did see him make improvement this season. I also can tell you he looks to have lot more potential than George Zidek who was nothing more than a garbage time player until his junior season.

Bobo did show clear improvement. I have no idea why he was suspended but I think it is also up to a coaching staff to offer positive reinforcement along with discipline. I can see a 18-19 year getting POed and wondering what exactly he is doing wrong when he sees certain player getting 32+ mins a game even though he has shown no record of playing defense for his entire 4 years in Westwood (and getting arrested twice).

Bobo hasn’t embarrassed UCLA’s name by getting himself on the police blotter. Howland’s pet did it twice and still has been coasting through this season without getting his character and work ethic questioned in public.

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true

we shouldn’t have players on our team who have run ins with the police, much less more than one.

Yep, it’s puzzling.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

its interesting

I mean yes Bobo clearly likes to party. So did Mike Fey (i saw this guy at parties like everytime i went out). The difference is Bobo also puts the work in with the gym etc as shown by his body. I can handle work hard/play hard and respect that(i mean hell, guys like Lebron and Dwade follow that mentality). But perhaps Bobo made a mistake that Howland had to punish him for. People make mistakes sometimes, especially college kids. So hopefully its something Bobo learns from and we move on with good morale.

When they keep questioning his endurance though… Does he ever look tired to you? I havent seen him look tired on the court yet so im not really sure i buy this “in shape” excuse for why he cant play 8 minutes a game?

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

i mean really

if he cant run for two 4 minutes spurts a game, he should get a medical checkup because something isnt right, even if is he is 6’10".

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Mar 4, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Bobo v. Zidek

In the best worlds Bobo was not a guy going to walk on the court and dominate his Freshmen year. People who thought that were wrong. However like Zidek he has a big and wide body. You can’t teach that. But you can teach him how to play basketball.

Bobo has improved and has shown he has leaned how to play low post on offense. He seems to do what CBH asks of him on offense. But he waits for rebounds to come to him. And we need rebounders. ND or MR are not going to rebound at forward well. The Center has to get some more rebounds so it is not all TH. That is part of the reason BL has passed Bobo in the rotation. BL hustles his butt off and rebounds, more than anything else, it helps to hustle.

by DCBruins on Mar 4, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

None of us know the conversations CBH has behind closed doors with his players regarding commitment, practice, off the court issues. Does anyone know Bobo on a personal level. Maybe this is a motivation tool CBH is using for Bobo.
I guess I don’t see what everyone else does on Bobo. I think he is a liability on both sides of the court. If he thinks he can do better somewhere else, go ahead.

by Waitingfornumber12 on Mar 4, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Poor Bobo

He just needed to get arrested TWICE. It would have all worked out for him if he just did that (and he wouldn’t have to play defense).

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I should point out

I do not think Bobo will develop to anything more than a role player at best here. I think he was a huge evaluation miss. He will never have the coordination to play a defense Howland is not ashamed to play. I think he would be better suited to go somewhere with a lower competition level and somewhere that would be okay adjusting to a zone to suit someone of his skill set.

I think he and Anderson were both talent evaluation mistakes by Howland. I don’t know if he is trying to drive them away by his comments or motivate them.

by silverlakebruin on Mar 4, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the comparison is interesting

what BL said after getting some more minutes recently

So Lane is needed, though he can also see beyond this week’s games.

“This has definitely made my future look a lot better,” Lane said. “I know now that I can step in and contribute. That is going to make me work even harder during the off-season. I know what I need to focus on to get better. Now I can see where I fit with this team.”

vs what Bobo said last week after extended minutes

It was, Morgan said last week, “a big opportunity to prove I can help the team, in the coaches’ minds. It’s not going to get any worse than this. It can only go up from this point. I can only progress.”

I know there is a difference between a freshman and a sophomore – but one guy uses the press time to explain how he is going to work hard to improve over the off-season and earn playing time, while the other uses the press time to hint that he has been mishandled and that his lack of playing time is due to something in “the coaches’ minds”.

On the ‘issues’ comment from CBH above – in the article context I took this to be a reference to physical issues Bobo had, and that maybe he is incapable of getting his body into condition to play CBH defense (due to earlier issues with his knees) regardless of effort, rather than a reference to ‘character’ issues. But it is ambiguous. Given the recent references to character in CBH press comments, it can certainly be taken in that vein.

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

I am pretty sure

Those comments (from Howland) were all made during Tuesday press conference.

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

hm

do they record the press conferences? Seems like the sort of thing they ought to post on the uclabruins website, but I only see post-game pressers up there.

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

BRO usually posts them

I think our AD folks will eventually have resources to post the videos on youtube. I think it could be helpful for their purposes so that we can get a clear sense of what was being said. Right now doing our best to take everything in context.

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

also

I thought ‘the extent’ of issues smacks of talking about someone’s injury/physical problems, and in the context of the article made it sound like it was related to Bobo’s paraphrased reference to reconstructive surgery (which must have been made earlier). I think it is a pretty confusing article, given the timing and the suspension.

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Just curious

can anyone name instances at other schools where fans have come to absolutely despise a player on their team, public enemy no. 1 status?

I know there are cases, I just can’t think of anyone right now.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

Kentucky

Saul Smith.

In this case Rago is basically Howland’s son.

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

IIRC -- Bobo's Leg Problems Were Far More Serious Than a Random Knee Problem

I seem to remember a story that pointed out he had serious leg problems as a child, that he needed corrective surgery and therapy and that there was some doubt about whether he would be able to run and move as he grew older. Those problems were well known when we recruited him.

He came overweight but did a great job, in the off season, of rebuilding his body. His transformation was greater than that of any other player in his class.

I happen to like his smile and enthusiasm and caution that one cannot judge inner drive by outer expression. Not every kid has to have a gangsta look.

And, uh, he’s a college student — a student athlete — and if he has a social life that’s part of going to school. I really tire of the posts, in all of our sports, that say “I saw X at a party last night …” and leave the inference that there is something wrong with that.

I have no idea what’s behind his suspension and will not speculate.

I wish him well. And, I hope he stays. He has shown some strong moments and skills — blocking shots and passing — which if used correctly will strengthen our program.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

uhh you can tire of it

but it’s true. Bobo’s focus has never been basketball at UCLA. He has yet to prove otherwise. You can have a social life all you want, but you’re there on a free ride and to let it interfere like that is not ok.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Substantiate It Or Stop Being One of the Gossip Girls
…his focus was definitely not basketball.

… but I can think of a couple scenarios for which he might have been suspended.

If you are going to call out one of our players — do it with facts not innuendo.

Back up what you are saying or think about not saying it at all.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 4, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I have debated bringing it up this whole season

My only point is, some of the actions and decision I have personally witnessed by him (and his buddy Drew Gordon), don’t make me believe he really cares about basketball. Take that however you want. My personal observations. I won’t say anything more about it.

So, guess I have no substantive facts, just my own word and observations. Thanks for the advice though!

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks for innuendos

I for one appreciate them. I think if you were to say anything more explicit you could place yourself in jeopardy (ie if you didn’t have photographic evidence to back up your claim). I take them with a pinch of salt, but I appreciate additional information, however veiled.

And to the larger point – I, for one, didn’t use to go out partying at all during the week leading up to my high school rugby games. Partly, because I felt it would be a disservice to my teammates, partly because I was someone who couldn’t afford to be off my game if I wanted to play for the 1st Team. For guys who want to be able to make it to the pros – and even if not, are getting thousands of dollars of education for their sporting participation – I would recommend that they severely limit any partying they do during the season. This goes double for guys like Bobo who are on the outside of the main rotation looking in.

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't party

all throughout rowing season. Which was September to May. Even if I wanted to, I couldn’t, I wouldn’t function the next day.

The one year that I didn’t row, and partied hard (my first year), was my best annual GPA. Go figure.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 4, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

what years were you on the rowing team?

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

1992-1995

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 4, 2010 8:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

dude

many students here have seen him party hard. This isnt innuendo, but also people dont want to get into spexifics to make bobo look bad or put unwanted attention on the poster. These arent rumors that e parties in hollywood or something, he parties hard at ucla with ucla students.

UCLA '08

by BruinTrouble on Mar 4, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

thank you

that was exactly my reasoning for not going into specifics. To me, what I observed of him, is directly related to his performance on the court.

"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA

by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 4, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

can you say

the devil’s grass?

just kidding.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 4, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

So you don't have the balls to come out and give the facts --

because you fear you might be challenged on it? And, have to prove it?

And you claim that you are using innuendo because you don’t want to hurt Bobo? You don’t think innuendo is hurting him? The best way to protect Bobo is to keep your mouth shut and not spread rumors that you are not willing to back up with your real name.

So you hide behind an ‘net pseudonym and just spread the crap. So you saw something. You won’t tell anyone what it is, but you will tell us it’s bad and that Bobo could have been suspended for it — taking away our ability to judge what you saw and decide for ourselves whether it is serious or not. Or how credible you are, how credible your observations are, and whether your report is accurate.

And, we are supposed to trust you? Like we do the three wealthy and influential alums?

Sorry, in my book, that’s Gossip Girl tactics.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 4, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

66

I haven’t seen you lambast other authors – say, Ryan, who seems to have inside info on things that can’t be exactly spelled out, and Nestor, who sometimes references ‘chatter around the program’ – for reporting second hand information without having the ‘proof’ to present to you. This poster is saying “I saw something with my own eyes”.

I don’t know how the libel and slander laws work in this country – I take it that they are less skewed in favor of the person allegedly libelled than in the UK, given the way that the plaintiffs often choose to fight their battles in the UK… – but if I had seen someone doing something serious I would think twice about bringing it up explicitly by relying on the ‘proof’ of my own two eyes without having serious additional evidence (witnesses / photographs / etc). Even if it was something that many of us would considered relatively innoccuous for a college student – e.g. becoming inebriated at a party – this would be a serious allegation to make if he would technically be breaking the law (or by his act have caused someone else to have broken the law) by drinking under the age of 21.

Take his/her evidence as you like – dismiss it out of hand, take it with a pinch of salt, soak it in and make it a reason for us to be rid of Bobo – but there’s no need to question his/her ‘balls’ and make abusive comments. At least, that’s my take.

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Cultural Difference? Or Historical?

First, I have challenged Nestor, on many issues. However, the difference is that he does not come out and ask us to trust him that someone has done something worthy of suspension. In fact, in a post on this thread, he notes that he heard things but declined to run them; and he has done that often. Also, we know, by his body of work, that Nestor has standards and adheres to them. Same with Ryan. Yet, if either of them ran that post, I’d write the same responses.

I wonder BritBruin if your appreciation of rumor or innuendo is a product of cultural or historical differences.

Let’s talk about the slander laws here. Interesting you want to start there. If you think you might be slandering someone, isn’t it better to keep your mouth shut? I don’t think your saying that you’d prefer to be able to slander without being held accountable.

Our slander laws are not stacked against the speaker. Quite the contrary. Our First Amendment protects and encourages free speech. So our slander laws are restricted.

“Truth” is a complete defense.

It’s that easy. If you tell the truth, you won’t lose.

And, there’s even a bigger protection for those who speak out — if someone is considered a public figure, the person suing must show that the act of slander was willful or deliberate. (Were Bobo to bring a lawsuit I’m sure the defense would argue that he is a “public figure” and not entitled to the easier standard of proof; not sure how the courts would call that one.)

So, no, the deck is not stacked against someone who comes out and tells the truth and stands by it. However, to even things out a bit, in some states, the false allegation that someone committed a crime is “slander” in itself and obviates the need for the victim to prove actual damages. Why? Because alleging criminal behavior is very damaging to one’s reputation. Underage drinking is a crime.

but if I had seen someone doing something serious I would think twice about bringing it up explicitly by relying on the ‘proof’ of my own two eyes without having serious additional evidence (witnesses / photographs / etc).

I agree, it would be wise and FAIR not to allege criminal behavior unless you were ready to defend the truth of your statements.

And, if you are not willing to stand up and defend them, the better course is to keep your mouth shut.

Taking the easy road, innuendo under a pseudonym, is cowardly. If you don’t have the courage to speak up for attribution, don’t speak at all.

Maybe you don’t know this. But, this country has suffered great damage because a megalomaniac named Joseph McCarthy used innuendo and “hidden sources” to ruin the lives of many decent people. And, in recent years, we’ve seen a resurgence of that type of “name calling” in the guise of “reporting” particularly on one of our cable outlets.

Perhaps, that’s why some of us are more sensitive to the practice of hiding behind unnamed sources and innuendos.

You thank the poster for the innuendo. You said you “appreciate” them. Would you appreciate innuendos if they were aimed at you? If it were done where it might challenge your professional reputation? Affect your future? Where you would find it difficult to defend yourself? I doubt it.

Down here in Texas, we have a saying: “Cowboy Up!” Basically, it means that if you are going to go after someone — you do it to their face, head on. Want to say bad things about Bobo? Do it in a way you can be held accountable. It’s that simple

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 4, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

the legal difference I was getting at is that I believe that in the UK, it is incumbent on the person who made the damaging allegations to show that they were substantiated; whereas in the US, I believe that the allmighty power of the First Amendment allows you to say what you like unless the person being damaged can prove that the allegations are false. At least, that is my understanding – in a case where there is no easy ‘proof’ available, I believe that the person on whom the burden of proof differs between countries. For that reason, I think you can actually be a lot looser in what you say in the US than you could be in the UK. It is tangential to the point.

Again – there have been plenty things said without attribution to actual sources that could be taken to be damaging to CBH, to take a very recent thread as an example (Ryan – apologies for using you as an example here, but it is the one that sticks in my head about perspective I am glad to have even without specific attributions):

Ryan said [my emphases added throughout]:

Is it possible that CBH has always played favorites?
And that it’s just more noticeable now because his favorites aren’t very good? Was JS one of his favorites? I think so. AA could have been a favorite, but because he was so good, we didn’t notice it. It may have been noticeable to others in practice when CBH let things slide if AA got something wrong. I’m not saying that it is the case, but I think it’s very possible that CBH has always played favorites, only his favorites on past teams were better.

followed by a later post

It changes the attitude of the rest of the team when the player knows the coach is playing favorites. Sure, AA was always a good option to have on the court, but when he messed up in practice (and even the best mess up) was he punished? Did CBH call him on it the way other players would be called on it? What I’m trying to get at here is that a lot of the concerns we’ve brought up about CBH are things I’ve heard rumblings about in the past.

and a later post in the same thread

I didn’t hear anything specific on AA because I didn’t hear on specific players
It’s why I said AA could have been a favorite. I did hear about CBH playing favorites at times at both Pitt and Northern Arizona, before coming to UCLA and then some with us, though

Ryan made these points, and I thought they provided useful perspective. I would rather he say what he thinks and has gleaned from conversations, and allow us to judge it as we like, rather than not say anything that he wasn’t willing to back up with specific sources if challenged. I didn’t see you tell him to “Cowboy Up” with these allegations and demand proof, but maybe you didn’t read that thread. Given Ryan’s track record, no regular reader would accuse him of anti-Howland bias, and people are willing to take what they can get (with some additional probing for clarification).

In the post above, inhowlandwetrust is his/her own source, and is unwilling to go into specifics, so provides a partial account that the reader can take or leave. If you think he/she’s a bad source, or that his/her comments are worthless, then by all means dismiss them; ask for clarification; point out that vague and unsubstantiated accounts do not provide you with any value, if you like; I just don’t see the need for the lack of civility against a fellow member of BN, particular someone who has been around and posting awhile, not some fly-by rumor monger.

I appreciate information and perspectives from people. I will judge them as I like, challenge them if I believe they are mistaken, or present additional information and arguments to the case. I would rather have more specific and substantiated information, but I’ll take what is given and judge it accordingly.

I do appreciate you being willing to voice objection to this type of comment – and I know you have in the past in other discussions about one of our ‘less favored’ players and his alleged party lifestyle. This post isn’t an attack on your sentiment or sincerity, just a rejoinder to clarify my meaning in earlier posts and why I appreciate inhowlandwetrust’s post.

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

One Small Point

The burden on proving a statement is “true” lies on the person who stated it.

The plaintiff usually has to go forward and prove the statement was made, that it was disseminated (heard or read) and that he or she was damaged.

If that is done, the defendant has to prove the statement made was true. If the jury or judge finds it to be true, the defendant wins.

These causes of action are created by state law — there may be some states where the plaintiff has to prove the statement false, but I’m not aware of any.

However, as a practical matter, many plaintiffs negate the statement as a strategic decision; you really don’t want to go through you entire case without looking the jury in the eye and saying “That is false and let me tell you why.”

If the statement alleged criminal behavior, it is deemed libel per se; what that means is that the plaintiff does not need to prove “damages” which is often difficult to do. We may be “hurt” by something someone says and yet not be able to prove monetary damages. With criminal charges, the law allows one to go direct to “exemplary” (sometimes known as “punitive” damages).

So, I do not think the laws of the two systems are that different.

The speaker is protected so long as he or she speaks the truth.

I see no reason for this to go on longer, but I do see a qualitative difference between Ryan giving his opinion on favoritism and someone alleging that a player did something at a party that would lead to suspension.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 4, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

on the laws

Thanks for the follow-up. I had a quick look for “libel tourism” and came up with this http://www.globallawforum.org/UserFiles/puzzle22New(1).pdf

England has become a magnet for such claims both because it welcomes cases with a thin English connection and because its libel law strongly favors the plaintiff, particularly in placing on the defendant speaker the burden of proving the truth of the challenged statement.

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

IIRC -- Libel is Popular in England

Because it is one of a very few areas where a plaintiff can get a jury trial.

Most other causes of action are heard by judges.

I’ve never done focus groups there to test the usual assumption that juries are more likely to give larger awards than judges. If I had to bet, I’d bet that is true. In England, most judges come from other than a working class background and tend to be a bit more conservative.

In both countries, most lawyers I know who represent plaintiffs would prefer to try their cases to juries. I know I would. (Of course, I prefer to try defense cases, be they civil or criminal, to juries. I guess I trust ordinary people a lot more than I trust anointed people. But I grew up wearing a “Question Authority” button I got on the UCLA campus.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 4, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree 66

The only thing that stops players from improving is lack of playing time. All of the players UCLA has on their roster have, at one time, shown an outstanding ability to play the game of basketball. That talent just didn’t disappear when they arrived on campus. A lot of the issues facing the program are with the style of offense and defense the team plays and, more importantly, the types of players, athletically, it takes to fit the system. Bobo was never going to be a guy that could play the role of LMR or PAA, he was a project and, certainly, CBH and his staff knew his limitations and what his role would eventually be on this team.

Bobo showed his committment to the program by losing the weight and coming in to this season physically ready to give his all. To infer that he’s not committed because he’s enjoying the accoutrements of his college experience isn’t fair. I’m sure Bobo isn’t the only athlete on campus having his share of fun. God bless him if that is the case. He has little control over how he is utilized by the team or how many minutes he plays.

Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.

by 11 Banners on Mar 4, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Things to do tonight besides watching the game

1. stick sharp stick in right eye
2. stick sharp stick in left eye
3. listen to the Lizard of Westwood – on second thought, no way!
4. get a colonoscopy
5. watch Jersey Shore

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Mar 4, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

at least Jersey Shore

has some sort of entertainment value

by nickramz on Mar 4, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet

We are going to be up watching this game.

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL!!!

Yes we are. And, posting like crazy.

And, in my case, thinking we can win until we don’t.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 4, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Jersey Shore Season 2

Isn’t Rago trying out? I hear that MTV scouts will be there tonight…

by EdtheBruin on Mar 4, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Update on Bobo

Chris Foster reports that Bobo was suspended for missing a meeting w/ the training staff.

by insomniacslounge on Mar 4, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

ROFL

This is hilarious. That was almost the same reason Anderson was demoted from his starting spot. I mean if that was the case I don’t blame Howland. However, on the other hand WTH is going on with this in the background. Something is really off.

by Nestor on Mar 4, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Arrrrrgghhhhhh

Can we just get rid of all of last years recruits….. wow. Talk about an entire recruiting class not deserving to wear the letters.

by Bruin'96 on Mar 4, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Odds

What are the odds of all them having isues? Almost like, no one actually interviewed or researched the kids before handing out scholarships.

by Bruin'96 on Mar 4, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've given up on trying to figure it out

But since Coach Howland has indicated that it’s reasonable to pray for basketball results, I’ve go my hand clasped and am praying that Anthony Stover will work his butt off in the gym this offseason and along with Tyler Honeycutt, lead this team back in a positive direction.

by insomniacslounge on Mar 4, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Stover is way behind

AS has a really live body, can block some shots and get some tip dunks, but that is it. He is the ultra-light version of Lo Mata-Real. Alex Stephenson would look great in the blue and gold, too bad we missed out on him TWICE.

Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.

by 11 Banners on Mar 4, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

behind?

The description you just gave sounds like he’s well ahead of Bobo at this point.

by insomniacslounge on Mar 4, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

yup

but we don’t know if he has been showing up to meetings –
JA demoted from starter to bench player
Bobo demoted from bench player to not playing
not sure how CBH would punish a redshirting player… other than by burning his redshirt in meaningless minutes…

by britishbruin on Mar 4, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

AS...

I’ve personally seen him play since he was thirteen. He’s come a long way since then, and he has some Ryan Hollinsesque upside. Projects more like former Cal center Mike “Yogi” Stewart. Fits the program better than Bobo does, high energy player, just needs to pick up some lbs to help him on the boards.

If CBH would have had a crystal ball and known Gordon was going to leave, Morgan was going to struggle staying healthy, JK going down, etc Stover probably gets some minutes this year.

Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.

by 11 Banners on Mar 4, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm actually a little relieved to hear that

No sense risking more damage to the eye at this point, imo

by insomniacslounge on Mar 4, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point RN's health must come first but

wow for this game. . . We may need to play MM to keep BL out of foul trouble.

by DCBruins on Mar 4, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Past the point of beer. This game needs hard liquor.

by Bruin'96 on Mar 4, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

What would be an appropriate cocktail for watching this team?

I’m thinking something along the lines of:

Just short of 3 oz. Vinjak (Serbian brandy)
juice of two sour limes
2 to 3 dashes of bitters
top off with seltzer water until it makes a mess out of everything.

Call it a Sour Westwood Fizzle, perhaps.

Other suggestions?

by insomniacslounge on Mar 4, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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