Arizona Reflections After Another Demoralizing Loss
The outcome was not surprising neither was the manner in which we completely self-destructed in clutch minutes. Still what took place last night was another excruciating loss which left many of us utterly befuddled and frustrated at the end. No matte how much we want to make ourselves believe that we are getting number, every loss hurts. A loss against Arizona this way ... BURNS.
Ben Howland should get a lot of credit for the way he had his team prepared for this Thursday night game (even though every factor was going against us). Despite being short handed the Bruins came out looking like a decent team last night. We were in position to actually win the game until Malcolm Lee went down with cramps. Yet as good as a job Howland did in preparing our team, it's his lack of imagination and courage to trust his younger and less experienced athletes, which resulted in another demoralizing loss.
Not sure what do we gain by going over in detail what Nikola Dragovic and Jerime Anderson did wrong. Dragvoic ended up with 19 points and 5 rebounds in a team high 39 minutes. If someone didn't watch the game, they would probably think he had a decent game, without realizing how he was solely responsible for countless defensive breakdowns, putting his team-mates in bad position to foul, taking dumb shots (with plenty of time left in shot clock), and generally exerting any kind of effort on defense. Meanwhile, Anderson played 16 minutes, yet somehow managed to commit 4 fouls while playing in a 2-3 zone defense.
We all knew the game was essentially over when Lee went down with cramps, and Howland once again decided to go with Jerime Anderson over Mustafa Abdul-Hamid. Abdul-Hamid played only 6 minutes and didn't get on the box score. However, it was more than noticeable how the Bruins closed out the first half on a steady note with him at pg. As for Rag, I understand the team was short-handed without Reeves Nelson, Bobo Morgan and James Keefe.
I am not sure how Howland justify playing him for 38 mins while giving Mike Moser a grand total of 4. During his cameo appearance Moser at least made an effort on defense and committed hard fouls, just like PAA and LMR used to do in their freshmen days. I would think it would have made sense if Moser had gotten 12-15 minutes in this game, which would have allowed to Howland to shave off Tyler's 38 minutes (keeping him fresh down the stretch) and also take some mins off Rago's PT. Howland's post game comment was a little weird (in the LA Times):
"The guys worked hard, and obviously their effort was outstanding considering we're playing guys 38, 39 minutes," Coach Ben Howland said.
I wish we could hear what exactly Howland was trying to communicate. If he is trying to sound sorry for himself for playing guys 38-39 minutes a game, that is a little weak because he still had options like Moser and Abdul-Hamid who barely got any minutes, and who defensively couldn't be any worse than what we got out Rag and Anderson. Moreover, I sure hope Howland doesn't consider the "effort" we got from Rag and Anderson to anything close to "outstanding."
We can't also blame kids like Tyler Honeycutt and Michael Roll to be totally gassed in the closing minutes, considering time and again how much energy they had to spend to recover for the defensive lapses of you know who.
It was also comical to see the Bruins not running any play to go after Derrick Williams after he had picked up his 4th foul early in second half. We made one attempt with Brendan Lane to go after him but other than that we didn't do much. You would think one of our assistants would strongly plead to Howland that we needed to go after Derrick Williams by making credible efforts to go inside. Instead we were treated with the usual dumb shots from Nikola and Jerime Anderson screwing around in the perimeter. In contrast, Arizona seemed to repeatedly attack Lane as soon as he picked up his 4th and eventually fouled him out in second half.
Watching the game I couldn't help but wonder what would have happened this year if it didn't take Howland 14 games to figure out that he needed to play zone and big injuries to James Keefe (and Reeves Nelson) to give Brendan Lane substantial PT in his rotation. I don't think Bruins ever had a chance of emerging as a tourney team this season. However, if Howland wasn't stubborn and made his coaching adjustments earlier this season and learned to trust his youngsters or players other than his pets, Bruins might have had a shot at a winning record, and a better outlook heading into this off-season.
It was also interesting to see Malcolm Lee playing with so much more aggression at the 2. This is another added benefit of having Mustafa in the lineup. Having MAH at the 1 spot, allows Lee to play a little more lose and also with lot more defensive energy at the 2 spot. It was something that was noticeable to me late in first half and it just made me wonder even more why we couldn't go with that rotation, when Lee came back from his cramps.
Lastly, not sure how many of you were watching the sidelines. At one juncture of the game Howland pulled Anderson from the game and tried to tell him something on the sidelines. Instead of listening to him intently (while Howland was trying to tell him something), he just walked right passed him and didn't bother paying any kind of attention. There was something bizarre in that exchange, which I had never seen take place with Howland and his pg during his seven years in Westwood.
It was also more than noticeable how Reeves Nelson and some others (yeah, it's not just Anderson) on the bench were smiling around when it looked all but certain that we were going to lose the game. It reminded me of this tweet from AA from few days ago:
I hate losin more than I like winning
I wonder if that kind of mindset will ever come back in Howland's program. Despite the effort we have gotten from kids like Roll and the wonderful promise we see in kids like Honeycutt, right now I am not feeling confident. Perhaps there will be a fresh start at the end of this season as Howland will recommit himself to building a team around a core of players who are truly dedicated to his original principles of defense, effort and intensity on both ends of the court. Given the way Howland has coddled mentally soft players last two years, I don't feel good about reincarnation of AA days of "Ben Ball warriors" back in Westwood.
Thankfully we probably just have 80 minutes of this nightmare left this season. The immediate bad news is that we need to brace for another ugly and gut wrenching game in this road trip. The worse news is the game against Arizona State is on national TV (CBS) and also on Saturday, which haven't been a pretty combination this season. Guess the only good news is the regular season part of this nighmare will be coming to a merciful finish on Saturday.
GO BRUINS.
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I agree about the bench...
“It was also more than noticeable how Reeves Nelson and some others (yeah, it’s not just Anderson) on the bench were smiling around on the bench when it looked all but certain that we were going to lose the game.”
I have never seen a bench so out of touch with the intensity of the games. Too much smiling and chatting, too much premature celebrating. And not enough huddling and listening at time outs. A strong assistant coach would get those guys to listen and be more business-like and serious during games. But CBH is the one that has to encourage them to care about the results. I don’t think as a team that they have cared much this year, almost self-fulfilling in a way. Exceptions of course in Roll, Keefe, MAH, and possibly one or two others. I don’t think you’d see this kind of behavior on a North Carolina or Duke bench, no matter if they are winning or losing.
+1 It really was obvious
and very troubling.
You would think one of the assistant coaches would get in their faces and make clear to them what is and is not appropriate bench behavior.
I think the AA quote hits this one on the head: some of these kids don’t seem to care if we lose.
AA was the prototypical Ben Ball warrior. The only person I see with that total commitment on this team is Mike Roll.
That’s sad.
I would take a dozen LMR’s and PAA’s over some of the more heralded players we have.
sjh
Honeycutt has AA's instincts
Honestly I am afraid that he might feel like he is getting outflanked in a culture of entitlement that has been festering (and someways coddled) around our program for last 2 years. I will not be surprised that if he gets any kind of positive feedback in terms of NBA aspirations after this season, he just might do the unthinkable and “test” the NBA waters.
I counted at least 3 or 4 times when he had to fly in and recover for you know who’s mistakes (or complete lack of effort).
ND Responsible for Team mates fouls
I mentioned this a week or so ago. Many of the fouls our guys pick up are because they are scrambling to cover an Ole! default.
Lane fouled out because the matador stepped back and let someone go around him to the basket. Lane went to cover and committed the foul.
Those are the things that do not show up in the stats — but drive me nuts.
sjh
Given the intelligence TH shows on the court
I would have to think that even if he’s not thrilled about staying around, he would realize that next year he’s going to be The Man, and could go from low first/high second round (just my guessing) right now to probably top 15 with the kind of season he could have if not injured. Separately of course I want him to stay, but I’m just trying to see this from his point of view.
Feeling the same sense of dread...
The better that TH has been playing, the more chaos there has been on this team, the more I’m worried that TH will see this whole mess as a lost cause and make the jump.
On another note, I have completely moved from my support CBH at all costs mindset to a point-of-view that this end of the season implosion (following a season of abject weirdness) should start the clock ticking now on evaluating every aspect of this program with an electron microscope. CBH deserves our support so as to not make what will hopefully be a complete top-to-bottom audit of what needs to change now in his program become a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure. But as the highest paid employee at UCLA with total compensation over 3x the Chancellor’s, such scrutiny is merited.
My thanks to you N for helping me objectively work through the mental change.
by 281bruins on Mar 5, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong
but I thought CBH was the highest paid employee in the entire UC system, not just at UCLA…
you are wrong
Tedford earns a lot more than CBH, for one…
Ben makes over $2M
Wow. how much does Tedford make?
by silverlakebruin on Mar 5, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Looked it up
Tedford made $2.3M in 2008, Howland made just over $2M (making him #2). #3-6 are professors, and #7 is Neuheisel.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/06/05/ucpay2008.DTL
That " unthinkable " option is really common sense
at this point for Honeycutt. What does he have to lose then ?
ML out was the game when it was JA insetad of MAH
I like this post and would like to elaborate on two parts of it in slightly different ways. First, I really think as Nestor mentions the Thursday magic of CBH was there and we had a good chance to win if not for ML getting cramps:
Ben Howland should get a lot of credit for the way he had his team prepared for this Thursday night game (even though every factor was going against us). Despite being short handed the Bruins came out looking like a decent team last night. We were in position to actually win the game until Malcolm Lee went down with cramps.
I just wish he adjusted to this by going to MAH not JA. JA was -9 +/-or the game. A good example of how bad and momentum killing JA was, he came in when were up 14-7 to start the game and we did not score again until he went out. Further the only time JA was a +, it was because he was on the floor as 2 some with ML. Without ML he was terrible. Oh, MAH was +5.
CBH had a very good game plan but blew it when something unforeseeable happen by playing favorites with JA.
Mustafa
In some ways remind me a poor man’s Cameron Dollar. Like Cameron he doesn’t have much of an offensive game. Cameron was tougher physically. But Mustafa is just steady and can run the sets Howland calls for on the offensive end. Mustafa will have his defensive breakdown but he will play with effort 100 percent of the time. In contrast Anderson breaks down pretty much in every possession.
Again, I just don’t get it. I really wonder if someone in Howland’s staff is not bringing up these concerns.
Mustufa v. Cameron
Mustufa is a better shooter and Cameron is a much better at everything else. Cameron was also better at driving, passing, and creating. Cameron was not a shooter or scorer but he was good at everything else.
I think if this team had Cameron Dollar it would be a whole different story and it would be a winning team. We may even be able to play M2M as we would have three good defenders.
But I guess in a way Mustufa is the poor man’s Cameron because he is not the guy who is going to win a game for you ever but is also not the guy who is going to blow it. And both are basketball smart. (On other hand MAH did hit one game winner.)
Interesting thought.
just to provide additional context here
MAH may have been a +5 overall, but he was a -2 when playing with anyone other than ML as SG.
MAH and ML together: +7
MAH and MR together: -2
This is obviously a small sample to use, but it conveniently emphasizes the point that it is not clear that MAH is the obvious option at 1 if MR is at 2 with ML on the bench with cramps.
particularly
against a team that picks up the point guard at half court or further up. Different story going against a more passive zoning defense.
Still think MAH is better as shown by one play
Wise came up to ball pressure as hard as possible MAH. MAH dealt with it and got fouled. He missed the front end of the one and one but he still did not make a TO. A good point guard would have burned his man for that type of over the top pressure. JA would have likely turned the ball over. MAH survived and went to the foul line. Thus, he is not ideal but he is the second best we have right now.
MAH is fine with ML on the court...
MAH played but one series as the ‘only’ ‘point guard’ on the court after JA picked up his 4th foul. Brendan Lane got called for an offensive foul on our possession. On the following AZ possession, AZ’s point guard Nic Wise – who has been struggling – was able to get free for a jumper. CBH then brought JA back in with 4 fouls and 14 minutes still to play.
Recurring Problems
We do not finish inside.
Yes, I know that Coach abhorred the dunk — did not find it aesthetically pleasing and though it was too easy for big guys to just throw it down.
But, all season long, we have missed easy and open inside shots. It is maddening. BL misses some, yesterday, and ND missed one toward the end of the game that was a game changer.
After all the talk about the deficiencies on our coaching staff, I decided to focus on the assistants when the camera let me. Someone last week posted that they are all acting like mini-head coaches and that appeared to be true. I one time, CBH was trying to direct a play and two other assistants were up and shouting and waiving their arms — ala Lavin. It looked truly unfocused and chaotic.
Yet, not one of them could get our snickering and grinning bench to get its head into the game and cheer their mates on.
That’s one place I missed Bobo — he can be counted on to root us on. He reminds me of Kris Johnson — not the most talented Bruin but an enthusiastic supporter of his mates.
sjh
Kris was also a huge partier ...
… and I was an eye witness on number of occasions. Yet we didn’t quit on him two years into his career in Westwood.
Obviously, I am a Bobo fan
I acknowledge his weaknesses but see potential.
I am really impressed that he lost that weight and came back ready to play. He’s the only one of his class who seems to have tried to improve over the off season.
I really wish he had gotten more minutes. I think we sometimes forget that LMR and PAA were really not great until their last season or so. I can remember cringing when the ball went into either because, more likely than not, they would fumble it. But, we stuck with them, too. One difference — character. Both were clearly a step above and much more in the warrior mold.
I know the talk is that Bobo will leave and that makes some happy. If he does, I see lost potential. Can we say “Rodney Wright or Chase Stanback” — both of whom were apparently “invited” to leave. Sending Stanback away because of the apparent strength of the soph class may be one of the worst decisions CBH made since he got here.
sjh
I have never been a huge Bobo fan ...
Yet he showed me something this season. He clearly worked his rear end off this off-season. It is not easy to shed 30-40 pounds. That takes commitment and he showed it in the weight room unlike his fellow sophomores who showed zero improvement in terms of off-season conditioning.
Perhaps he might not end up being more than a roll player. Yet showed effort and slow improvement as the season went on. At this point if he looks a little out of sync when he gets called on, hard to blame him given the haphazard way he has been given mins this season.
Also, speaking of partying, I know JF and JS had a pretty good time in Westwoood. So did Bruins in our time like Toby Bailey, Charles O’Bannon, Kris (as mentioned above), Tracy Murray on and on and on. To me what is important is not how these guys are having fun off the court, but the effort they bring on the court, in the class room, and representing UCLA well without getting themselves in trouble. Morgan has done just that by never having academic and legal issues and at least representing himself well in public. He earned my respect this season.
Bobo doesn't belong in the same sentence as LMR and PAA
both of those guys were athletic, hustle, energy guys who developed into more complete players over their time at UCLA. The sophomore versions of those guys would probably be starting for this team.
I’m glad Bobo lost weight between his freshman and sophomore years – but PAA and LMR didn’t show up overweight to begin with. I know Bobo had injury issues with which to deal, but that is at best a mitigating factor that allows us to say ‘the jury is still out’, rather than a reason to mention him and LMR/PAA together.
Note I excluded "character" by which I meant warrior mentality
Neither LMR nor PAA had a demonstrably better skill set at this stage of their development. The more they played, the more they got better. Bobo hasn’t been able to do that.
sjh
well
I think they were both notably better athletes at this stage of their development. Their skill sets improved over time, but they were solid athletes as sophomores. Bobo is not.
Agree
PAA came in as a great athlete not a good basketball player. But he would start on this team and his limiting factor would be fouls. Bobo will never be the athlete that PAA was.
LMR was a very good player within his limits (could not shoot outside of 5 feet). He is a better model for Bobo. I think Bobo has a better body (more solid) but a soft head. LMR went for rebounds and generally played smart.
Both were better from day one than Bobo but Bobo could be better than LMR. However, right now you are right, his name does not belong in the same sentence.
if Bobo becomes significantly more athletic
then he could wind up a better senior than either of them. He could be an equally good defender and a more legitimate post target offensively (and looks like he could be a better passer). But right now he doesn’t have any hint of quickness, and as 66 notes doesn’t have the battling mentality. I can believe his skillset would develop some purely with additional playing time, but I’m not sure the same can be said of his athleticism and mentality.
Unfortunately ...
speed, quickness, and athleticism are more innate talents than teachable talents. Morgan can get stronger, more physically fit, and more adept with the ball, but I wouldn’t expect him to demonstrate any more athleticism. Still, the talents he does posess should be more than serviceable.
Bobo has had his share of yukking it up on the bench...
Since The Thug (Gordon)left, Bobo has been less joking around, but it is still there. I have seen him plenty and he seems to have some of the same issues about not taking the games seriously, at times. Maybe he has matured some, but he still isn’t the type I’d want on my bench.
Not a tired team but a tired player at the end
What amazed me about this game is how close we were with TH having an off game. I disagree that MR or TH were overly tired at the end. TH made his four TOs at the start of the game. Look TH still played well, but he did not have a good game for him. MR gave it all but I don’t think he look tired physically.
But one player looked exhausted and it was ND. He was playing hurt and had nothing left at the end. We lost the game when he missed a wide open point blank layup (did not draw iron) and Wise came to the other side and hit a three. It went from UCLA potentially having a one point lead to a two possession game with 3 minutes left. I don’t think ND misses that if he is not tired.
ND looked bad at the end in a way he does not usually. He beat his man off the dribble and with a move but stumbled once, bricked another one, made a TO, etc. He was 1-5 late (only one of those misses was from three) until he hit the last three when the game was over. His intentional foul late was also a tired person who could not run with his guy but had to resort to “hugging” him.
Look, I am not defending ND’s 3 point bombs or his D, but I am saying that he looked exhausted at the end and even the biggest ND fan (CBH?) had to realize that ND was too tired at the end. Besides he was hurting.
CBH why play a hurting ND all those minutes?
Meh
He didn’t look tired to me. It’s not humanely possible for him to get tired when he is making an effort on one of the court – mostly jacking up dumb shots.
He looked brain dead like he has been in his entire career in Westwood. I don’t buy him being “tired” one bit.
You get tired by playing hard on both ends
he plays NO D, it’s like taking a breather.
And, it doesn’t take much energy to catch the ball and jack up a shot, miss it and saunter back for a rest on D.
He clearly looked hurt all game.
There are many reasons he should not have been playing so many minutes. Any one was enough.
sjh
"He clearly looked hurt all game" and Brain Dead
ND scored 6 of our first 14 points (and we led 14-7) before before jacking up his first bad 3. I agree he was hurting but I still think he was tired at the end.
But yes, ND is brain dead. He could score inside this game or get fouled and he still shot a bunch of dumb lazy 3s. To my mind he was 2-3 in good 3 shots and 1-6 in out of offense threes. Without RN especially, I would gladly give up the good three shots for him to play down low or drive to the basket. Even if you are offense only player, play to your strengths.
IIRC -- TH missed an FT and a shot near the end of the game and his legs looked wasted
Just my impression.
He played hard, throughout, but I do think he was weaker at the end.
sjh
Tiredness
ND looked tired 5 minutes into the game. I wonder if he had a mild cold or something to go along with his injuries. That, or the effort required to operate in the full-body shooting sleeve was a surprise to him.
TH’s turnovers were all early, with him trying to do a little too much and push the action. I think he may have tired, given that he became less and less involved on offense as the game went on.
Pretty sure MR was tired at the end, leading to the mental lapse that led to that easy layup right under the basket towards the end. When he was trying to drive with the ball I thought it looked like he was running on fumes, and having to pick up the slack for the guy who was caged by his own physical limitations and lack of conditioning struck by cramps.
Interesting point on ND and ML
He played best in the first 5 minutes. I do think he was tired.
ML cramps are frustrating to me, remember they happen early in the year when it looked like this may be “his team” in close games. RN will play blind with a concussion and ML . . .
Of course ND was tired...
You try playing a basketball game right after a Blue Man Group performance. It’s taxing to say the least.

LOfreakingL!!!
Except you got it wrong.
He’s a fucking Smurf.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
oh
I had moved from thinking it was an all-body shooting sleeve to thinking he had come from swim training for the 2012 Olympics. But Blue Man Group makes more sense.
ND and JA lost the game.
Considering we were short-handed, I think ND was acceptable in the first half. At the last 10 minutes, he was terrible in defense and responsible for the loss of the game. JA was just lousy in all phases of the game. MR had the best game of his life. TH and ML played fine. BL needs work but is improving. I am looking forward to next year already and this game doesn’t do me anything. If RN comes back this Saturday, I would get pissed if ND play mre than 20 minutes.
I'm going to the bar and getting shitfaced
After the Rags last game. Anyone in the bay want to come toast the occasion with me?
"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA
by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 5, 2010 7:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'd order, out of my own pockets, plenty of bricks
from HomeDepot. Then I’d tell him to check the arfares of carriers like SAS, Lufthansa etc to find a one way ticket back to Belgrade to practice throwing bricks in bis back yeard.
Lack of quickness
We lost the game because we lack quickness on defense and cannot penetrate on offense. Our defense is pourous because we cannot move quickly enough to close gaps. Momo shreaded the defense with the drive the entire second half. When the other team can make open three pointers, we lose. Neither ND or TH are quick enough to hedge to stop a guard from shooting and then returning to defend a baseline forward. Arizona stepped up the defensive pressure in the second half and our offense ground to a halt. Both ND and MR missed easy shots in the last 7 minutes.
ND’s intentional foul was just the icing on a bad season. He looked like Rodman or Artest, trying to tangle himself up in Arizona’s Williams. It was just a bizarre play and almost as laughable was ND’s incredulous look after he was called for the fou.
I can't stop replaying a couple JA plays in my head
one where he dribbled down the court handed the ball to the opponents, raced back and gave an and-1 to Zona.
I believe Fogg’s last three where he turned his back on a guy who was 6-9 from outside, and i kept yelling at the tv to turn around and play d.
I hope MAH takes all his minutes next game and in the tourney. Abdul-hamid is focused and one of the few players who gets down in defensive stance (something that howland always preached the last few years).
Lane made some mistakes, but the effort is there, he just needs to pump fake and not get blocked at the rim. He’d have 6 more points if he did that. I believe he will learn, no hope for the sophomores though.
+1 on Lane
A well-timed pump fake would at least draw a foul, even if he still didn’t manage to finish. Those clean blocks are a killer.
While replaying JA's turnovers
be sure to have a grin on your face!
With fakes added to a summer of working out BL should be pretty good next year. He gave a strong effort last night, he’s just not strong enough to finish inside yet.
Not calling you out
Imagine if Lane had gotten more meaningful minutes throughout the season so that the game “slows down”. Lane is probably kicking himself for not pump faking as you noted right now but when you’re in the heat of the battle, everything moves so fast. Experience slows things down, which a kid like Lane should have gotten along with more burn for MM and Bobo IMO.
Zona has given major minutes to MoMo (18.8), /Williams (27.6) Hill (24.7), Parrom (21.4) and even Natyazhko (11.3) is in double figures. Zona did it right and IMO is the favorite to take the Pac 10 next year.
It would just eat you up if you kept on doing it
I learned it the hard way myself. Anderson will always be Anderson, now or in a hundred years.
Absent of Howland not playing him in any significant way, or Anderson voluntarily transfer, he will be around for two years. You can just anticipate more ugly, clumsy plays from him each time he sets foot on the court.. He is really like a malignancy, with a due date diagnosed. Until then. just pretend the best way you can, even if you need some tylenol, aspirin etc to help curb the numbing frustrations that UCLA recruited a point guard from the YMCA league.
Sometimes, watching Anderson ruining games made me feel like Marlon Brando in Apocalyse Now, when he muttered in his slow, dying breath " the horror, the horror……. " before succumbing.
This team doesn't have "winners"
There is no point at this stage of the season to nitpick over one play or players playing time because that doesn’t even matter anymore. The more troubling thing is what you highlighted N, this team just doesn’t have a winning mentality. I know its abstract and impossible to define, but you know it when you see it, and I don’t see it with this team.
The bench behavior, JA’s smile, the lack of defense, dumb plays in crunch time—all things winners don’t do. It was sad watching the game last night and as the lead slowly got chipped away, I never once thought “its ok, we will respond.” Instead it was a Clippers mentality of “here we go again.” Its amazing how badly the entitled sophomore class has altered the collective attitude of CBH’s program.
yup
we don’t respond, and we don’t have a leader to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and get a stop or get a tough basket. MR is the only one willing to step up into that role, and he doesn’t have the talent to take the team on his shoulders without help. His drives late in games suggest a hint of AA mentality without AA’s athletic ability. ML ought to be the guy but disappears prior to crunch time – and then starts hustling and crashing the boards once we’ve already given up our lead. He looks like he is afraid of drawing the foul in pressure situations (remember that moment when he beat his man, and then pulled up for a long jumper at the top of the key?).
a slightly OT question...
can a player’s four-year scholarship be revoked after a year, or are they guaranteed all four years of their scholarship?
scholies are year-to-year
but people typically don’t pull them (perhaps because of the bad publicity it would cause, scaring off future recruits…)
"winner mentality"
Doesn’t help when coach set the tone by letting losers play 38 mins a game. It’s “infectious.”
Yup
I agree N, although I would phrase CBH’s ridiculously extensive reliance of ND as more of a “playing not to lose” mentality. The problem is that its the whole team’s attitude, not just one or two players and the even bigger problem is that the only player who knows anything about winning (MR) is going to be gone from the program in two games.
Roll
We are really going to miss him next season. Right now I am not exactly sure who can replace him because he is the last link to that tradition of Ben Ball Warriors. Perhaps Honeycutt can. I am hoping and praying he is. We will have to see though.
TH is the only one who seems to have the temperament for it
and also has enough ability that he could get on his teammates without diminishing his own play. If he can get his FTs sorted out, he could be the guy to go to when we need something – anything – to get a bucket and stop the bleeding.
Bad sequel
This whole season has felt like when a movie franchise has a successful triology of movies, but then the cast gets sick of it and moves on. But the studio still wants to go to that same well and makes a fourth movie (last season) with half the cast that does ok but falls short. Not content, they make a fifth movie with only one person from the original cast still willing to work on it because he has no better options. The film predictably goes straight to DVD and ends up ruining the franchise until it is rebooted three or four years later usually with a new director.
lol
Check out the Terrence Jones update from ESPN (no he is not coming to UCLA):
Even with their current struggles, the Bruin culture of blue-collar basketball still exists. The Bruins, under the guidance of Ben Howland, emphasize tough man-to-man defense as well as an efficient offensive scheme driven by excellent point guard play.
That seemed like so long ago.
great quote
X-factor for Kentucky
Kentucky is on a whole different level in terms of tradition and prestige than any other program on Jones’ list.
didn’t realize it had got that bad in Westwood.
Yeah noticed that
So ridiculous that didn’t even bother commenting on it. The one about Howland not giving freshmen PT kind of bugged me. People will be shocked but I didn’t agree with that. Howland has always given NBA ready players PT (okay well not with RW in his first year). Still Howland has generally been good.
My beef this has been that Howland need to give kids in the gray area (who have potential but not developed at all) legit PT to grow into meaningful contributors. He did that with PAA, LMR … something he should have done with Moser, Lane this season. Anyway I though the comment on “blue collar” was kind surreal b/c it seemed so long ago.
yeah I hear you
but all in all just an ugly piece of reporting… and I agree, if anything his problem with JH’s playing time was playing him too much from the start without much accountability, rather than going the way he handled KL.
Hey, its not everyday that a player
gets the chance to play for a final four team that ceases to exist two years later. You cant pass that opportunity up.
Published today?
In other BSPN updates, there are rumors of steroid use in baseball, Bret Favre might retire, and there are allegations of cheating at $c*.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
This game was a lot closer than I thought
I thought we would lose by 12-15 points and not really be in the game. That is encouraging.
If Howland didn’t have history of playing Drago 32 minutes a game even when he had a deeper bench, I would probably give him a pass on this loss, but I will just assume he would have stuck with Drago until the bitter end like he did all his previous games even if he had more options on the bench.
think N had it right
looked like a good gameplan for the game, but the in-game management (whether in rotation, or in getting the players to stick to the plan, or in not force-feeding ML with potassium at every time out) negated the strategic advantage with which we started.
Anyone with "conditioning" problems at this point of the season...
…is in horrible shape. They should be peaking for the tournament, not cramping up.
My personal reflections.
I can’t remember a time I cared less for any UCLA sports team. And, that is a damning testament to the way this season has unfolded. I got home late last night and checked my emails. My ritual is to check my email, my calender then BN. Upon reaching the 3rd phase, I read the headline, and thought, “That’s right. We played tonight.”
Never in my time as a Bruin have I ever let a game slip by unwatched. Not in Dorrell’s last year. Not in Toledo’s last year. Not even in Lavin’s last year. It has never happened. Friends and girlfriends have made the comment that if UCLA lawn bowling was being televised, and I walked by a TV i would sit down and watch it. And I have always agreed enthusiastically.
I feel like assembling a few hundred students and alumni to protest the state of Bruin Basketball. I’m completely serious. Picket signs, people sitting and blocking the team buses, even violent police actions to complete the picture. I am that furious. We could burn Brickovic jerseys to show how unacceptable this is.
Shaking my head and assuming the fetal position does not describe what I have felt this season.
The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden
My Reaction: I gave up the Burn Notice Season Finale for this?
But, I know I will do it again and again.
I was very slow to the dance — I really felt that CBH was playing a very difficult hand as well as it could be played.
I do not believe that now.
He has played it very poorly.
And, yet, Sat I will be in front of a TV (Unless it’s a night game — I’m helping out at Jen’s dance. I have some priorities straight.)
sjh
OT: Cool show, but on too late at night for this baby GIT.
I can only catch it on reruns on weekend.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
Utterly and completely agree
As much as I despise Slavin and his tenure, I gotta admit I loved his players. They were great kids with alot of talent doing the best they could with so little they had. From Moisio, Gadzurik, Ray Young(man, I felt bad for the kid, had so much heart and talent completely wasted), Matt Barnes, the list goes on. But for this CBH’s current team, I don’t find myself rallying behind any players except for TH, MR, and MAH. I’m with you. If students can do protests and sit-ins regarding reg fees, why not do the same regarding the state of our bball program?
Similar feelings here, Mexi
I used to schedule my week around our next games – this week I actually forgot it was Thursday and we even had a game.
I used to know if the game was on TV or where the internet feed would be – last night I learned the game was on TV from the BN thread.
I consider it part of my being a great fan to watch any UCLA game – last night I watched out of obligation, and not out of excitement.
And to see us come out and play smart hustling basketball in the first half was so encouraging – which is what made the second half collapse and stupidity that much more nauseating.
I’m ashamed to be this frustrated and tired. But the only thing I can see to do it is to keep watching and cheering and hoping that things will get turned around.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
Looks like
I made a good decision by going for a colonoscopy + a sharp stick in the eye instead of watching this game. Woohoo!
I am buying a bottle of Dom Delouise to celebrate Rag’s impending departure.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I've got a sinking feeling
that things aren’t going to be looking up. And no, I’m not a complete pessimist. But, I’ve had issues with CBH’s in game coaching for too long. CBH is probably the hardest working coach in college basketball. Seriously, with the exception of maybe just a handful of games (and this entire season), I’ve never seen his teams come in not prepared. His preparation is absolutely gangster. But, what’s not to say that any opposing team isn’t preparing similarly? If that’s the case, then winning games, IMHO, is 60%preparation and 40% in game adjustments because you never really know how a team has scouted you.
I think the BenBall Warriors of past, were not only players that could play within his system, but had enough fortitude, determination, creativity, and skill to win games outside of CBH’s system when things got anemic. Should this be the case, which I think it is, then when recruits/players see that games are being lost because the Bruins are clearly being outcoached, then we run into problems of defecting early, entitlement, lack of respect for the coach, no sense of urgency, and no pride for the hallowed four letters on their jersey. In essence, we fall into the viscious cycle that we currently are experiencing.
So solutions? As previously mentioned in previous posts by others, a more clear and concise recruiting of players that have the character make-up of past BenBall Warriors, upgrading assistant coaches, and the absolute necessity to be creative and adjust accordingly during games.
teams of the past
also had players who were extensions of CBH on the court. JF and DC in particular would be taking instructions from CBH at any minor stoppage and then marshalling the team around them. JF and DC respected CBH’s instructions; other players were willing to listen to JF and DC communicating on the court. The leadershp structure has broken down. The sophs aren’t listening to CBH and aren’t following MR into battle.
Need big time leadership and poise from TH next year; would love it if Zeke can be a leader too, but I am not willing to be on any of the incoming players to be able to lead the team; and JA/ML don’t look to be willing; and RN needs to focus on his own game.
by britishbruin on Mar 5, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Past teams have been able to bail out anemic offensive possessions
How many times over his four years did DC hit a ridiculous 3 as the shot clock expired to bail out an anemic offensive possession? JF and AA did the same in previous years, bailing us out at the end of shot clocks through pure will and ability. Now, when I see the shot clock counting down and the ball in JA’s hands, it’s a foregone conclusion. The only undetermined is whether the clock will expire after an airball or whether he’ll cough up another turnover leading to a fast break.
by gradstudentbruin on Mar 5, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
A different feeling this year
In past years I have always felt confident in a comeback for our BenBall warriors. Always had a personal rule that if we were down within ten at the half that our guys would end up pulling out a win. Grinding out games and wearing down other teams with hard-nosed defense.
How things have changed, now it is the complete opposite. Last night with the bruins UP within the nine to twelve point range i couldnt help but think when is this going to go bad for us. Knowing that the lead would squander eventually. I always love March but this year I cant wait to focus on baseball alone
yup
we wear down physically (it seems to me anyway) at ends of games, and start playing scared as soon as someone makes a run. I have exactly the same change of feeling that you have.
by britishbruin on Mar 5, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of AA: Love him, but...
I’d argue that his leaving early was the most damaging early departure in the history of UCLA sports. Consider:
- If he stays, we win the 2008 title. Absolutely, positively, completely, no question. We maybe even go undefeated. He solves our two main problems from that year (outside shooting and guard depth), and immediately becomes the go-to guy when we’re in shooting slumps (which we had a lot of that year), and in crunch time. There is ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION that we win the ‘08 title if he’s still around.
- Afflalo chose to declare for the ‘07 draft, one of the most loaded and hyped in the history of the event (Durant/Oden, all the Florida guys, the best foreign prospect since Yao, and many many others). All conceivable mock draft sites had him missing not only the lottery but usually even the top 20. He ended up going 26th to Detroit, and played as a backup for two years before getting sporadic starting time in Denver this year. Not exactly what you’d have to hope for, if you’re AA.
- If he declares for the 2008 draft, he’s probably a lottery pick because that draft was severely lacking in talent after the top 7 or so (whereas the ‘07 draft ran about 17 deep in the blue-chipper department), even considering that his overall numbers would have taken a slight hit with Love in tow (although you do have to know that he would have stepped up huge to fill DC and LRMAM’s scoring when they were both hurt).
- So let’s recap: If Afflalo stays, he moves up 12-13 spots in the draft, makes way more money, and probably gets more playing time on whichever team he goes to. We win banner #12 and establish ourselves as one of the greatest college basketball teams of all time. Ab-so-freaking-lutely win-win for every single person involved.
So AA…love ya, man, but if I ever invent a time machine I’m going back to April ’07 and possibly using force to get you to stay for your senior year.
Instead of blaming AA
Perhaps we should think about why he wasn’t the only “Ben Ball warrior” who left early (despite being obvious choices like KL or RW). I can pretty confidently predict that DC would have left early if he hadn’t gotten torched by Derrick Rose. His stock was sky rocketing at the time until that balloon got popped.
It would be a question to think about lot more if Honeycutt ends up leaving early as well.
I realize that
And it kind of makes you think, when DC stays because he got torched by Derrick Rose but AA leaves even though Corey Brewer completely locked him up for two years in a row in the Final Four. But yeah, that’s all to the side anyway. I don’t blame Farmar for leaving early, because he was the best player on a team that almost won the title and it’s likely that he could have seen a significant playing time decrease in 06-07 because of DC. Love and RW I can also understand; they were locks. The most confusing ones, in order:
1. Luc Richard. He was hurt for at least half of the 2007-08 season (the significant time he missed early, and then when he was feeling it again right before the Pac-10 tourney), wasn’t drastically better than he’d been the previous year, and would have been one of the three best players on the 08-09 team. Yeah, he landed in a great situation in the NBA, but there’s no way he could have known that going into the draft. I’ll always be stumped by that one.
2. Afflalo. See above.
3. Holiday, although it appears clear now that he left because of the “caged pit bull” reasoning that’s probably going to claim ML after this year (who, BTW, is going to willingly sacrifice his entire basketball future just to get away from Howland, because if he goes after this season I GUARANTEE that he never makes it out of the D-League).
This is a really good series of posts 139
I never thought it that way for AA. I looked at is there was not much more AA could learn, he was a complete player and ready to go. He was also the star of the team, something he would not have been on the KL team. (The media loves KL, no pun intended. AA would have been the leader but KL would still be the star.) But I think if we won the national championship, his stock would have risen like you said.
On LRM, it is similar. His problem is he was not going to be a star on any team, it is not his game. But he may not have much more to learn either.
Of course, JH was an idiot would could have learned more and needed to stay.
Also, look, i am happy that DC stayed but if you are honest it hurt his draft standing. As you mentioned, the draft that year was weak. I know people here are focused on what Rose did to him in one game but he went from being the first PG in who knows how long to go to 3 straight final fours and an AP All American (3rd team) to a non-All American on an average Tourney Team. It hurt him. Also, I always understood he made a personal decision not based on drafting to stay. I do know it was shock.
Last on TH, he needs to stay for TH. He needs to learn to shoot and to be a scorer. He is the “toolbox” all right but he can’t be timid in the NBA. Going way back I remember Reggie Miller. Reggie could shoot from anywhere in the building when he came to UCLA but he never went to the basket. He learned to go to the basket, draw fouls, and move without the ball. It was his team at the end and he knew it. TH is similar in the offensively timid aspect (I realize they are very different players and people).
TH needs to stay and be the star by his junior year. He needs to develop his offensive game and to shoot from the outside. He can’t have games where he only takes 4 shots. I am not saying he should stay all 4 years but i am saying it would be a huge mistake for him to leave now.
I disagree that he would go up the chart appreciably
It obviously depends on what kind of season he had, but AA likely would have shared the spotlight not only with KLove but also RW. Since he would then carry the 4 year college player stigma, that works against him just as much as staying and winning a title with a more talented team would help him. Keep in mind the last guard taken in the lottery in 2008 was Bayless, and based on the whole potential thing, there’s no way he would have shot past Bayless. Sure in hindsight, it looks like a lot of teams should have taken AA earlier in the 07 draft, but that just wasn’t the perception of his game at the time.
I tend to agree
he would have been ‘4 year player’ and also probably ‘point production declined his senior year’, given the other players (notably KL) taking shots.
You both may be right on AA
And it would be a big gamble for him. Who knows if we would won the championship? I just know I had not thought of this way before and it was interesting. I thought he was ready and that’s it.
But within the premise, I think players on championship teams are likely to be drafted higher even assuming his numbers dropped some.
Farmar left early
because it was a weak draft class (the gap year after HS were no longer eligibile and one-and-dones hadn’t yet played a season) and because he impressed people in workouts. He wouldn’t have seen a serious dip in minutes the following year, given that CBH showed a willingness to play DC and JF together. Your comments on AA go double for JF who can’t break into the Lakers starting 5 after an additional year in the system and PG being the glaring weakness on the Lakers.
AA was a consensus All-American, the feature scorer on a Final Four team, and a real hero for the team over three years. Giving Farmar a pass and complaining about AA is absurd.
Using JFs substitute status to bash on him isn't really fair
Like CBH, Phil has his system, and he sticks with it. His preference for veterans on his roster and in crunch time is well known.
wouldn't do so in the abstract
just pointing out that it is unclear that his pro career has been better – and has better prospects – than AA’s.
Farmar
Jordan would shine in a different system. If you switched DC and JF I bet Jordan would put up crazy numbers also. Tydides is right, the Lakers system is very restrictive, all they want is someone to play D and space the floor for the stars with good outside shooting.
not sure I agree
prior to him going there, I thought the system was a good fit, as it suited his brain, rather than being a system in which you have to be an uber-athlete (he’s not a bad athlete by any stretch, but he doesn’t have the speed of a DC). I think DC and JF are both in good spots for their style of play, JF just hasn’t been able to break through fully.
But I haven’t watched the Lakers anywhere near as much as a lot of people here probably have over JF’s time there, so I am happy to defer if that is the consensus opinion from the people who watch him every game.
JF is more of a creative player
The triangle does not need a PG to distribute the ball, which is one of JF’s strengths. For that reason alone, he is an odd fit, and it makes his inclusion into the starting lineup all the more difficult. When he runs the second unit with a couple starters, you see them stray away from the triangle more in order to take advantage of his (and Shannon Brown’s) strengths in the backcourt. On the other hand, Phil’s starting lineup has two default offensive options: the Triangle, and the Kobe show.
JF is a horrible defender
Who is to small and not quick enough to guard point guards. He needs oodle of help defense, which the Lakers can provide. On a weaker team, he’d be going nowhere fast.
That's not the argument
It’s whether he can or should crack the starting lineup. His competition there is Fisher. Fisher, who is much older and has understandably lost a step over the years, also isn’t exactly lighting up the world on the defensive end.
Triangle
Exactly, Phil would prefer a bigger guard in the point guard position for the triangle. Good point about the second unit for the lakers, they “stray” from the triangle with permission they let JF loose a bit to create. The faster up tempo game is where he can shine.
+1
I agree with this post, as I do with almost all of bb’s comments. AA’s progression in the NBA show that leaving was a good choice. With KL and possibly a national championship, would he have faired better? Maybe, but not certainly. AA’s success in the NBA is a function of his ability and work ethic. However, no Bruin gets my praise as much as Matt Barnes who has made himself into a valuable NBA player with pure hard work and almost no resume.
0-4 to $C and Arizona Unacceptable
It is never good to lose to either $C or Arizona, but going 0-4 to mediocre $C and Arizona teams is simply unacceptable. One of the excuses given for UCLA being bad this year is that we have lost players early to the NBA and otherwise. Well, both Arizona and $C have suffered from early defections and have also both had coaching turmoil. On top of that, we all know about Garrett throwing the $C basketball program under the bus. Yet, both teams had little problem dispatching UCLA this year, especially at Pauley. And, if you look at both $C and Arizona’s rosters, they are filled with players from Southern California that either we couldn’t get or didn’t want. Howland has definitely not earned his lofty pay this year. I agree with the consensus here that he gets a “pass” for this season, but we better see some improvement next year. I will again express my doubts about whether Howland can turn things around.
Majorly OT
but I just got off a phone interview and I got to the next round of interviews. I’m pretty much walking on air right now.
I might have to go celebrate with Bobo, 66!!!
"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA
by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 5, 2010 12:51 PM PST reply actions
No idea what you interviewed for
but congrats! Any job worthy of being excited about (ok, any job that pays) is a challenge to get right now.
Thank you
I left UCLA last year, and I’m celebrating wildly over a first interview hahahaha.
"We should have a banner up there: the only team to make the tournament without a coach." -- Baron Davis, remembering his "coach" at UCLA
by inhowlandwetrust on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
It took me
150+ interviews to find something decent out here – I feel your pain. Good luck once more just in case!
CBH has run into a problem of inconsistency...
At times he is a tough leader imposing his defensive principles and what some might call stubborn offensive game plans by not letting the players utilize their natural abilities. Sometimes players resent this style, do not enjoy playing for him, and make a mad dash for the NBA. But this style has led to three final fours so it is hard to fault it. But then there is the side of Howland that tries to be the "players coach". He does not assert discipline by letting Drago jack up threes, allowing players to joke around on the bench while the team is losing, and putting up with players like Anderson walking away from him when he is trying to coach them. He is now starting to recruit prima donnas that do not work well in a disciplined system. In addition, Howland tries to be a "players coach" by spending more time at their NBA declaration press conferences instead of trying to persuasively convince players to stay an extra year to improve their draft stock and to try to build something special by leaving a legacy in Westwood. What I am trying to say is that CBH needs to make a decision and be more consistent. Either he is that tough general that most of us have come to love who imposes hard nosed defensive principles, recruits warriors that work well in his sytem like AA, JF, RW, LRMM, LMR, AA, and does not put up with a losing complacency OR he becomes a true "players coach" by recruiting the John Walls of the world, letting them run wild on offense, and sending them early to the NBA only to reload with a new stock the following year. It is time for CBH to clean up the inconsistencies which are starting to emerge and become detrimental to the success of this program.
you prefer Cheatey's way?
this seems a bit over the top
In addition, Howland tries to be a “players coach” by spending more time at their NBA declaration press conferences instead of trying to persuasively convince players to stay an extra year to improve their draft stock and to try to build something special by leaving a legacy in Westwood.
it seems that wishing players well on their way out the door is infinitely preferable to not showing up at the press conference or making sniping comments.
Happy medium
I think Howland needs to do a better job of re-recruiting players back to school. It’s not about being Petey. It’s not even about being Roy Williams. However, the pitch for these kids to come back to school has to get better (I am guessing Howland is brutally honest during these pitches. However, I think he also needs to soften it a bit making convincing case why it’s in the best interest in relevant cases for these kids to get one or two extra season).
That said if a kid still wants to go, I think Howland should always be supportive and classy in public.
I agree with your point
though I don’t know what is currently said.
One thought, though- CBH seems to be very supportive of players ‘testing the waters’, even if they are obviously not going to the NBA (e.g. Dijon Thompson post-junior-year; maybe you could say AA sophomore year). I think he thinks it is motivating for guys to hear what it is they have to improve to make it to the next level, and makes them into better players the following season. If I am correct in this, it could be a two-edged sword – by testing early, those guys don’t give themselves a chance of testing-and-withdrawing later.
And one more thing – hasn’t CBH publicly said that the big thing is to guarantee you are in the first round, because that’s where the guaranteed contracts are? Maybe I am misremembering, but that’s what I thought he was saying when JF and AA tested post sophomore year.
Cheatey petey?!? oh hell no!!!!!
Maybe I failed to make my point clear…in NO WAY am I advocating a Cheatey Petey in Westwood! In fact the very thought of it makes me sick! I would rather have ten losing seasons than have a coach like that. I exaggerated the point because I feel like there are multiple problems and inconsistencies in our program right now. These can have an effect on player motivation, performance, and desire to stay in a program. I think CBH needs to address some of these problems and in addition do a better job at recruiting/retaining true Ben Ball warriors. If a player is truly ready for the next level and it is in the best interests of the player then CBH should be supportive. But is there anything wrong with trying to convince and hold onto a couple guys for an extra year to build something special? I am just scared that because of the issues in the program players will be more motivated by their own interests than by the privilege to wear the four letters for another season and go for a championship.
to early
is it to early to think about next year? last night as i watched the game i found myself doing something i had never done before, leaving my chair to do something else.

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